Ah yes, a liberal goes out with the intention of creating political street theater/event, (Lauren Valle, tried to give Paul a fake Employee of the Month award for MoveOn.org) to be used for a absolutely partisan extreme political organization. This was not a spontaneous event, Mizz Valle went there with the intent of provocation, and from what the law says, committed battery in pursuit of that goal. The moment Mizz Valle started to push individuals out her way to complete Her intent of creating a political episode, She was committing Battery, and people had a right to end that battery. Now we have the Liberals on this forum expressing very selective political outrage over this event. If we are to understand the liberals and their expressed sentiments, it seems that the Liberals on this forum only get out raged and put up threads and hyperbolic post, if it is a Liberal who create the incident who get hurt. Yes, joe where are your post condemning the violence by the union thugs, and other left wing political organizations in support of the Democrats? So joe are you in favor of that sort of violence? It would seem not as you have never put up a Thread condemning the assaults, battery, and violence from the left perpetrated on the Conservatives by your party and the left wing radicals that make up a significant element in the Democratic Party. Yes, the only time we see out rage from liberals is when they are the victims, even when the liberal goes out with the deliberate purpose of creating a incident for partisan political propaganda. I am against all forms of violence against innocent people, be they innocent Muslim children, women, and men, who are murdered at play, in the market shopping for dinner, or just looking for a job to support their families, to those innocent people going to a political event with the peaceful purpose of education themselves on the political points of the current election, but what I don't have any sympathy for is those who go to those events with the purpose of creating confrontational incidents for political purpose, and partisan propaganda. If you go to a Town Hall to create a hostile confrontation, and one developers, it is your fault, Mizz Vales fault, because She intended to instigate a confrontation with the purpose of it being used by a partisan political group, MoveOn.org.. As for Tu Quoque? when the outrage is selectively applied why is it wrong to question the actions of the liberal participants in our political system, by posting and pointing out the fact that they have enough of their own instigation of politically partisan inspired violence to answer for.
Giving someone a fake Employee of the Month award is not battery. And MoveOn is not extreme in the least. I hope the left does use this incident for political purposes. The radical agenda of Randy is not something this country will be able to weather.
In other words, you think it is acceptable to stomp on a woman's face if she dares attend a political rally to protest against said politician. Do you think protesting is provocation now? So much for your supposed freedom of speech and freedom to express your political views. If she pushed anyone out of the way, it was probably because she may have felt threatened by the many who decided to crowd around her and make veiled comments about taking people down. I have been at a bunch of events before, the previous debate, and the Rand Paul campaign knows me and they have expressed their distastes for my work before. What happened last night was that about five minutes before Rand Paul's car arrived they identified me and my partner, Alex, who was with me. They surrounded me. There was five of them. They motioned to each other and got behind me. My partner Alex heard them say 'We are here to do crowd control we might have to take someone out.' When Rand Paul's car arrived a couple of them stepped in front of me so I stepped off the curb to get around them to get back out front. At that point they started grabbing for me and I ran all the way around the car with them in pursuit. The footage is after I've run all the way around the car and I'm in front of the car and that is when they took me down. One or two people twisted my arms behind my back and took me down... It was about two-to-three second after that that another person stomped on my head. And I lay there for 20 seconds or so and my partner Alex came and got me up and that's the point where there is the media clip of me speaking. (Source) Now, it seems that for you, you think it is perfectly acceptable to silence political opposition or protests by stomping on people's heads while pinning them to the ground. Look at the size of the guy. He's huge. And she is tiny. She ended up with a concussion and you somehow think this is acceptable? She had no way to defend herself. In no way, is that acceptable. And why have you opened another thread about this? There's already a thread open about this issue.
That's hysterical. This is an organization backed by George Soros that was founded to defend Bill Clinton of acts he actually committed. It later ran a full page add in the NYT about Gen. Petraus that even most Democrats wanted nothing to do with. And those are just two examples. Move on is clearly well to the Left of what most Democrats and most Americans tolerate.
Who cares what side she's on or what side the organisation she represented is on? You don't hold someone down (and there were several pinning her down to the ground) and then have another large bloke stomp on her face. Regardless of what side she was representing and what side the stomper represented. That is not acceptable. If she was a Republican and those holding her down and stomping on her face were Democrats supporters, it still would not be acceptable.
I was responding to Spider's assertion that Moveon.org are not extreme "in the least." That's just not true. As for the rest, I agree. Throwing someone down and kicking at their head is unacceptable, period. Unless, maybe, you're on the rugby pitch.
It's not acceptable in rugby either. You stomp on someone's head in rugby and you could find yourself removed from the field and banned. They are very stringent about tackling head and neck (high tackles where you grab someone around the neck region and throw them down on the ground is a huge no no in the game now) and stomping on someone's head on purpose is also a massive no no in rugby.
What happened to Valle was wrong. The guy who did it should be prosecuted. That being said, she went there with the intention of making a scene. Mission accomplished? :shrug: Like I said in the other thread; this is one of many examples of people's political views motivating them to violate the rights of others. Conservatives have done it. Liberals have done it. It's wrong either way.
Wow, defending Clinton from the Republican witch hunt was extreme? To the left of what most Americans tolerate? WTF? We cannot tolerate MoveOn? That's laughable. They aren't a bunch of racist sucessionist theocratic fascists like the Tea Party!
I suspect the scene she was involved in ended up being bigger than what she had planned. She was going to basically present him with an award that would make him look silly. In the end his supporters have ended up looking like violent thugs and the images of the guy who stomped on her face and Paul looking cozy in a photo accompany the story. I think the only bemusing thing about this is that the guy seems surprised and dismayed at the negative attention he is getting. That sense of personal outrage that he is being viewed as the bad guy by all sides and even thinks she should apologise to him. Did he honestly think he was doing Paul a favour by stomping on her face? Even tackling her to the ground would have been bad press. She may be a professional, but stomping on her head and face is never going to look good.
Thanks. Played rugby for more than a decade, so the attempt was humorous and you missed it. That being said, if a person is offsides, you walk over them. I did it plenty of times. If you walked over their head, you walked over it, too. I'm not addressing the merits of the witch hunt, which I thought was silly and unnecessary, too. My entire point was that they formed themselves around a hyperpartisan issue and took a stance based soley on partisan end (and did so with money raised from dubious sources). As far as what Americans will tolerate, all I meant was that the group is not very palatable to most people. The group has a right to exist, of course. But you're arguing they are not extreme when in fact they are. And in the process, you're lobbing clumsy missives at the Tea Party that do you little credit. You're smarter than that.
Oh I got your attempt at humour in that regard. But these days it's not acceptable in rugby either, a game that is quite violent in and of itself.
Well, sure, the rules on stamping have been changed a lot in the past five or six years, but a man offside is offside. But that's neither here nor there. My point was that this behavior -- probably any behavior one could potentially associate with rugby -- is obviously out of place at a political event.
Yeah, I'm guessing that she wasn't planning on being curb-stomped. There was a post in the other thread about assassination attempts and, to be fair, I don't think this is an unreasonable concern. But even if that was the fear of the head-stomp guy, it was still handled improperly. The kind of people who do shit like that probably aren't the kind of people who later realize that doing shit like that is a bad idea.
MoveOn never wanted to reinterpret the first amendment and repeal the 17th and 14th amendments. Or overthrow the government violently. I call that radical.
*Mental pic of a scrum in Senate to determine if a Bill passes or not..* Think of the possibilities...!!
I'm not talking about what some fraction of another movement wants to do. The claim you made was about moveon. It was an indefensible claim. Talking about other groups and other topics is nothing like a defense of what you originally said.
I gave you two examples. One you've wiggled with. The other you have not even attempted to address. Remember this? http://www.mediaite.com/online/move...petraeus-appointment/attachment/betray-us-ad/ It pretty much alienated all but the extreme Left, including most Democratic congressmen.
WTF is this shit? Buffalo, you are pathetic. Nobody respects a fascist that behaves like a whiny 9-year-old girl. Quit being such a blabbering pussy. And would somebody please delete this asinine diversion thread?
