I have started a thread so I can follow BentheMan's offer. I can't make any promises...that I will instantly understand it but my very curious and willing to try. This thread is based on the statements BentheMan made below. For myself, I will need time to study, learn, and understand. Ben...please be patient with me...I have a lot of physics and math to to catch up on & I can only do it in my spare time (gotta a wife and baby on the way to care for). :o


BentheMan

"I can link you to papers that show that quantum electrodynamics is the most accurate theory ever conceived by man."

You've caught my interest. Can I please have these links, I believe they will be fun to investigate and learn from?

"I can write threads that derive explicitly, step by step, how I get the above result. I can teach you about second quantization, and path integrals, and Feynmann diagrams."

Have you done this? Can you point me in the direction (of the threads)?
I thrive on learning and increasing my awareness.

"In the grand democracy that is the internet, every opinion counts, whether it is a good opinion or not. Every person has a voice and wants to be taken as seriously as the next person. I am telling you that every time I read a thread here about ``scientific establishment'' or ``the standard of inquiry'' or the like it makes me sick."

Personally I have tremendous respect for science. It is one of the great cornerstones of human endeavor. I believe it is a means to reform religion and refine it. Maybe not immediately, but the way we see the world today is much different then it was yesterday (as in a long time ago). For example...it is no longer flat (joke joke). The beliefs of humanity are changing.

I may be wrong, but part of my brain is oriented towards logic and ration. Part
of it is emotional and intuitive. The logical and rational part will not rest unless
it can sustain the clearest understanding. The emotional and intuitive part comes up with ideas that are fantastic and have no support. My intuition keeps telling me we are going into a great future, despite the logical part which doesn't know what to think about our prospects (of even having a future...logically it doesn't look good with global warming and more).



So BentheMan...I accept your offer.:D

Will you lead this thread step by step so that at least I...can obtain the clarity of your knowledge? It might take a long time...but isn't it worth it?:cool:

Hi Jozen-Bo,

What are the most sophisticated physics textbooks you understand?

First, p-brane asks a very good question. You need a pretty solid grounding in classical mechanics and quantum mechanics before you tackle second quantization.

You've caught my interest. Can I please have these links, I believe they will be fun to investigate and learn from?

Fine structure constant calculated to ten decimal places (agrees with experiment to eight decimal places, I think):

Ayoama, Hayakawa, Kinoshita, and Nio. Phys.Rev.Lett.99:110406,2007.

Can find this result in one of these papers here:
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/find/hep/www?rawcmd=find+a+kinoshita+and+a+nio

I don't know of a more accurate result (i.e. a calculation and an experiment agreeing more closely) in physics anywhere, but if you know of one please correct me.

Have you done this? Can you point me in the direction (of the threads)?
I thrive on learning and increasing my awareness.

I have never done this. I would suggest taking a look at this free textbook:
http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~mark/qft.html

Will you lead this thread step by step so that at least I...can obtain the clarity of your knowledge? It might take a long time...but isn't it worth it?

Judging from the interest that similar threads have generated, I would say that it is a losing proposition on my part. And, at least for the next two months, I will probably not do much here---I have a major PhD candidacy exam coming up, and I can't afford to spend a lot of time here.

But you have called my bluff, and you should keep me honest. I will try to make an accessible thread about the basics of QFT at some point in the future, as I will probably benefit the most from it. But not now!

Thanks BentheMan!

I copied everything here into microsoft word so I would have a fast reference to get to those places you recommend and study them.

I might be nuts, but I love life!!!

I guess you could say I am nuts for knowledge!

I am hoping that this information will help me to better describe what I have seen deep within the Mind Portal. Though I am forced to wonder if this is even possible, as the complexity of what I have seen is staggering to say the least.

Kind Regards,
Jozen-Bo

I am hoping that this information will help me to better describe what I have seen deep within the Mind Portal.

:m: and/or :crazy:

Give it a break P-Brane!

I could say the same thing about you...not knowing a damn thing about you...just as you have done with me. You know nothing about me or 'my' work, so you are not qualified to give a good assessment.

This P-Brane...who judges things he knows nothing about.
P-Brane=:poke::fart::crazy:

...you are not qualified to give a good assessment.


I wasn't assessing you. I was making fun of your post. So what do you mean by "mind portal"?

I think p-brane probably has enough experience with crackpots on the internet to be able to make a well-informed opinion.

Ridiculous statement.

"Fine structure constant calculated to ten decimal places (agrees with experiment to eight decimal places, I think):"


Ben, I honestly respect you. From your posts it is evident that you are more knowledgeable of Physics than anyone I've read you debate. (removing lips from a@$)
Hence you necessarily catch more flak...... such as:

"Fine structure constant calculated to ten decimal places (agrees with experiment to eight decimal places, I think):"

This statement is true. Why is it not alarming that "accurate to eight decimal places" is equivalent to "very close but wrong"?
Wasn't Newton very close but wrong?

"I think p-brane probably has enough experience with crackpots on the internet to be able to make a well-informed opinion."

What exactly is an internet crackpot?

Are you implying that I am a crackpot, or that after being exposed to many crackpots, P-Brane can make a well-informed opinion.

What is the basis of a well-formed opinion regarding the Mind Portal?
That I believe in life after death...does that make me a crackpot?
Or am I trying to peddle some gimmick that doesn't really do anything?

What ever it is (the mind portal, that is), it is worth investigating in my own personal well-informed opinion, as I have formed my opinion after working directly with a mind map.

I have direct experience as to the effects. It did not change my beliefs, it added more questions to my mind. My beliefs where as they where previous to 'my' work.

My point is that you can not assess this based on my beliefs. You would do far better to base them on my claims. I will give you one for beginners.

Ben...if you tapped your mind using this thing I wouldn't even want to begin to think about the math you'd start doing, your head would move so fast, all those bits you know about in physics, your thought processing would be thousands of times quicker.

Who knows what you'd do then? I myself am clueless.

I am not trying to convince you to use it, just making a claim! A well-informed
opinion that, as I previously mentioned, is based of my direct observation.

Life can be very complex, we all go different ways, have different experiences, and different understanding. There are many fields of study and I believe they are all (or at least most) contributing to a bigger picture. If you get sick do you go see a chemist or a doctor? Knowledge is spread out.

As a youth I decided to spread out my study, to expose myself to every subject. The price I paid for that is not having any specialized knowledge. The spread has been indeed broad. The pay off was after gathering enough knowledge from as broad a spectrum as possible, is that I somehow ended up becoming aware of this thing...that I call the Mind Portal.

I don't know what else to call it. I came up with other names, but it still doesn't really have a name. So now to answer P-Brane's question.


"you are not qualified to give a good assessment."

I say this because no good assessment exists. We know nothing about this Mind Portal. There are no records for us to turn to. You can look, I did, they aren't there (that is...a solid scientific understanding). The field in my opinion is open to many professions, but it leans towards Psychology heavily. It is bad science to assess something too soon...I know you know this if you are a
good scientist. All the best have stuck with this humble approach.

"I wasn't assessing you. I was making fun of your post. So what do you mean by "mind portal"?"

Alright then.

When I refer to the mind portal I am referring to a real thing, a map of time. It is like a calendar, only it is far superior in its ability to record and observe the records of time. The approach is off course important.

I have said a lot of wild statements that sound completely absurd...this I know. If you follow this you will likely find me saying extreme statements. I am an emotional creature prone to using my own perception of reality to describe my observation, which can off course by misleading and is certainly screened. It is better you hear this now. I wish I could promise that I won't say (wild statements) more, but I can't be sure. Please consider my limits.

What is the mind portal? It is a spiral attracted calendar that has open space to transfer information into. It displays an entire year. It reveals patterns...most importantly it reveals human patterns. My guess is...after seeing my own patterns and observing the effects, is that this knowledge somehow activates a deeper knowledge...or you could say self awareness. You thinking patterns speed up on the course they already were on.

Now to say this is a physical time machine is absurd...maybe. But if it speeds up thought process and allows one to juggle many thoughts at once then it is certainly effecting the amount of time it takes to get from thought process point A to thought process point B. Then the mental procedures that take time are spent more efficiently and effectively. I believe it also effects hand-eye coordination motor skills...that is...that one can move faster and with more dexterity. If this is true, then this alone makes it worthy of investigation.

I could give you many other reasons why it is worth investigation...rational or otherwise. I believe it could be used to enter the virtual laboratory of the mind...as I found out my self this is possible. But it is not easy...nor does it happen over night. And the process of entering this place is new and the correct approach I am certain is important. This is advanced usage if I am correct. I know very little about the advanced regions of this thing. I know I will need help to find out about them.

I better tie this in now...when I went into my mind (it is not even close to a dream state...you'd have to be there to see for yourself...a trance doesn't explain it either....there is no amnesia...so it isn't hypnotic trance either) I saw things I cannot describe without stumbling on my tongue. That is why I say what I have said.

I lack the technical knowledge to sum it up with math and formulas. I am married and my wife is pregnant, so I have obligations to make money and support her...my time is limited and my passion suffers from this time constraint.

I have already made many wild fantastic claims that I promised myself I would never make. They spilled out. It will probably happen again, as I speak from the way I believe based on religious ideas. So I am sure to sound like a fanatic. I only ask that you look past my shortcomings and ask yourself if indeed this has any real potential. I would gamble my life that is does.

I will make two more down-to-earth reasonable and easy to imagine claims. It changes your sensory perception organs. And when it spins the change is faster. That is, excuse me for not saying this earlier, when a code of information the displays human patterns spin in such a way that the observer
nows the meaning of the pattern..or code...it speeds up the effects tremendously. Even without spinning the effects occur...at a very slow pace.

The other claim is that it strengthens your memory tremendously. You experience time differently, because your memory changes. Thus, you can hear everything that everyone said for example within the last 3 weeks all at once as the entire experience is on the tip of the tongue (in this case the tip of the mind). There are even more effects on the memory when I consider it, but I already have a mouth full (enough to say...not enough time to say it).

This sharpened memory was a feature that has since settled down since I stopped the experiment I did myself. Because the effects were so many and so fascinating I am without a doubt going to resume.

Now I have asked many and now I ask you...what happens to the mind when it sees a map of its own life spin into a tunnel? If you say nothing you are wrong and time will prove this. I know myself from doing it that there is an answer, I give my limited answer in accord to my beliefs. This is a good question for a psychologist...but many have told me they don't know. No information or informed assessment exists.

It also a good question for a biologist. Why? As I have stated, it alters the sensory equipment of the human being. I have already proven this to myself.
As the eyes observe spinning spirals of electromagnetic energy that contains within its web wave pattern an image of a map of human patterns in time, the energy does something to the eye, to say the least.

The mind is playing the image within the head, thats how we see anything. Our minds are recreating the image based on how the electromagnetic energy waves enter and are absorbed by rods within the eye, where the information is carried and displayed within the brain.

So then, now we have questions for the physicists too. I don't know what your major is, I might guess physics? I know Ben is going for his Phd. (Good Luck Ben!!!:thumbsup:) If so, what can you give for a good answer? If you major in some other subject, maybe it can provide important insight. I would also like to ask Ben if he can provide a good answer based on his knowledge of physics.

I know the answer cannot be completed until it is an informed by testing and
solid results. I would bet the planet that results will pan. In order to get an answer what this is, we need physics professors, psychology professors, biology professors, and many, many other specialized fields of knowledge to approach it at other angles. We need a database. Otherwise I will never be able to answer your question...what this really is. All I can do is show it to you and make my own guesses.

Jozen
I wont comment pro or con regarding the meaning of your post. But stylistically thats just too long. I can't bring myself to read it all, much less begin to consider it.
Get to the point and build on it through subsequent posts. Thats what I do...
Now go suck a tit.

This statement is true. Why is it not alarming that "accurate to eight decimal places" is equivalent to "very close but wrong"?

It is not alarming because the theoretical calculation has better (or at least equivalent) accuracy than the experiment---that is, the calculation has eight decimal places, the experiment has eight decimal places, and the two numbers agree. The two numbers are consistent, there is no disagreement within experimental uncertainties.

What is the basis of a well-formed opinion regarding the Mind Portal?

I had to clean my monitor off after I spewed coffee all over it in fit of internet discussion board induced hysteria.

My day is now complete.

That I believe in life after death...does that make me a crackpot?
Yes

It is not alarming because the theoretical calculation has better (or at least equivalent) accuracy than the experiment---that is, the calculation has eight decimal places, the experiment has eight decimal places, and the two numbers agree. The two numbers are consistent, there is no disagreement within experimental uncertainties.

oh. ok
now go suck a tit

now go suck a tit

Ahh how classy.

Ahh how classy.

Have a heart.
I wanted to come back with a real elegant earth shattering come back but I lacked the tools...
Plus suck a tit is kinda my thing. I really only post to insert it somewhere.

Plus suck a tit is kinda my thing. I really only post to insert it somewhere.

Well then stick to ``Free Thoughts'' and you'll be fine.

I had to clean my monitor off after I spewed coffee all over it in fit of internet discussion board induced hysteria.

My day is now complete.

I am glad you got a good laugh...But,
I don't see how spitting coffee on your monitor answers anything?

Yes

So...your are saying every person on this planet who does not think like you do is a crackpot...that is any one who is religious is a crack pot?

I hope you are aware that you that most people aren't going to listen to you if you promote this thinking...

Attention all christians, buddhists, muslims, judists, hindus, and any other people who have faith...Quarkhead is saying that all of you are crackpots!!!

And your responce reveals how small minded you are!!!

You dissappoint me QuarkHead...

I think we're done here.

Jozen, I will eventually make a thread on second quantization and path integrals. Eventually.

For now, sudy up on your quantum mechanics and classical mechanics.