During the past few months the quality of posts on sciforums has degraded enormously.

I'm not going to take my time to point out specific examples, and if I'm chided for not doing so then oh well - it should be obvious to anyone of any decency that has been on here before this crap started occurring and getting more out of hand.

The number of my responses to posts has slowed down to a crawl. I find myself generally answering technical related questions on the Nerd Culture board. I don't even bother reading threads whose titles or first posts are blatantly another "let's see who can win the first place prize of the most arrogant person on the internet"

I think we need much better moderation around here if sciforums is going to be a place of useful discussion.

Dave I hate to tell you this but I'm not going to send you any more money in the mail either for an avatar or to support this site, if what I am getting from it doesn't amount to much.

You hopeless loser. Stop whining.

My advise, don't blame the mods. I've not been here all that long, but I can safely tell you that sciforums goes through ups and downs like this. We just happen to be in what I would say is a very low down point. Even so, it's not the worst I think I've seen it.

Anyway, none of this is the mods fault.

Oh I have seen worse... :eek:

Yes, some of the acts of depravity that have occurred here would be enough to kill your grandparents under the right circumstances. It can get just that bad. This is nothing.

In the year I have been here I think this is the lowest era I have encountered. But I sense it will soon be on the up an up

I can relate to what Clarentavious is saying and agree with most of it. :) I think voicing discontent helps to improve the situation.

Cheers.

Do you guy not remember the forum war we had with some conservative right wing forum?

when was that?

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18857

yet again an opportunity to rip claren another asshole
ask not what sciforums can ........

i have to admit the truth...
sci has gone to shit.
its sad. :(

Well if its gone to shit, why don't we do something about it? like post better posts! :mad:

9 closed threads...NINE......damn free thoughts has turned into real shit...even for my taste

Well if its gone to shit, why don't we do something about it? like post better posts!
That's all good saying that but we can't have good posts without decent topics to post them in can we?

All we seem to have is 'Is this normal?' or 'What's your favourite...' and even 'Who is the...' threads which just beg for crap posts.

We need topics that test our mental capabilities not something about what we like or, no matter how great it is, sex.

We need more things like 'Is Royalty Worth Preserving?' or something that sparks at least semi-intellegent conversation

I find many of the threads under the science sub-forums to be reasonable.

Yes I agree but they're full of people who actually know stuff in that area and the average Joe can't really have a say in there without getting slammed or confused. It doesn't seem right.

Edit to add: Love your sig WCF, love that episode

like i have said before our mods are useless. they only critique shit with the edit and delete button but rarely take the iniative in starting useful threads.

i cant criticize this place cos i most certainly dont do much for a decent discussion. in turn if you do not do anything either, shut the hell up waiting for others to start shit and then ragging on it is hardly a meaningful contribution.

if a model is required go over to paul's forum (http://www.philosophyforums.com/)

has xev done anything like that? chris? raith? james? claren complains but does he start useful threads? thor complains but....? get proactive people (or shut the hell up)

I'm not starting any threads at the moment because I know for a fact it'll dwindle into a meaningless pile of dung in no time. I do have a few threads in the workings but I am not putting them up here when no-one will take anything seriously. Makes sense does it not?

no

You all know where to find quality topics. Hop on over to PhysicsForums.com

Oh please, as true as it may be the members there are pretty much more up their own asses than the people here, and this is coming from me! ME! I can't remember what daylight looked like!

lol, it is true we are strict, but that keeps the crackers away.

Originally posted by Greg Bernhardt
You all know where to find quality topics. Hop on over to PhysicsForums.com

sorry...physics bores me...quality or not...

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
sorry...physics bores me...quality or not...

ironic your a big supporter of a science forum then

Science is more than physics. So not ironic at all

and so is PF :)

I happen to be a biologist who thinks life is more interesting than silly objects and matter and such...hence physics bores me. But I am sure it can be interesting for other people. People are all different.

spuriousmonkey, as science is more than phyiscs so is Physics Forums. If you stop in you'll see we have many different subjects to discuss. I am just giving an alternative place where some people may fit in better. To each their own :)

I honestly can't pretend I am interested in physics...moreover...i have no expertise whatsoever in this field and I also do not wish to gain any.

My contributions would be of the foolish kind. Not that this would stop me in any of the non-scientific/pseudoscience forums. But there are some boundaries.

You aren't listening to what I'm saying :), PF is more than physics, here are some of the categories:

Astronomy and Cosmology
Mathematics
Mystics and Pseudo Science
Other Sciences
Philosophy
Physics
Technology
Theoretical Physics
General Discussion
Homework Help
How Stuff Works
Science Book Reviews
PhysicsPost.com Articles

Whether or not you care to participate is one thing, but I want to get across that PF is more than physics even if it is our specialty.

Thor,

My signature is my way of adding culture and sophistication to the is decaying forum, I hope all will (especially Smonkey) will use their signatures to the fullest and change them on weekly basis to refresh the decrepit atmosphere that is the forum

p.s I modified my above statement to satisfied those that think this forum has become sucky.

Signatures suck...WCF...you can wrap a turd in fancy paper, but it still smells when you open it...

fuck
even gregs phil section is better than ours! xev is useless!

:mad:

I know I haven't been here that long, but I think science forums is awesome. And btw, why are you advertising other forum sites on this one? Wouldn't that be like advertising your competitor in your own store?

That's because he is the competition

oh....well then why is he signed up here?

Possible double agent...bored guy...locked in an IT office...who knows

ah, just one of those guys with no friends and no chance of ever coming into the close possibility of having a girlfriend. I see.

let me do some anti-advertising then:

Originally posted by Greg Bernhardt
Astronomy and Cosmology
Mathematics
Mystics and Pseudo Science
Other Sciences
Philosophy
Physics
Technology
Theoretical Physics
General Discussion
Homework Help
How Stuff Works
Science Book Reviews
PhysicsPost.com Articles



this is the most boring list I have ever seen in my life. My grocery list was more interesting than that.

thanks...

hahahaha! They're pathetic...

jaja...

please visit my forum he asks...but...

Mystics and Pseudo Science on place no3 on the list...

that's really pathetic...

That's is liking asking if I want sex with my mother

ugh!

haha! sciforums has 7 times as many users as physicsforums. We're better! ::triumphant nod::

Not so, for you see many of our users are inactive, we get a huge number of new members everyday. How many of these new members actually contribute here? Not a lot, if any.

Plus it's more quality over quantity

Originally posted by Thor

Plus it's more quality over quantity

it is a good thing that you can't measure quality

...although today I even posted something with a scientific content...and I quoted a hot scientific article in my field...if that is not quality then shoot me...

Hell I even made a semi-intellegent post about how safety measures are implemented. Are we smart or are we smart! ;)

we are too goddamn smart for this forum, that is for sure...

Well, is it the same with physics forums where many users are inactive? cus if it's a ratio of 2/7 of active/overall then the ratio would probably be the same for physics forums but at a different level. for example, say there are 700 people here, but only 200 talk, then it could be the same at physics forums, just 100 people, and about 10 or 30 or whatever, I don't feel like doing math.

Originally posted by strategicman
I don't feel like doing math.



PF will do the math for you!




edit: and shame on me...that was post number 2900...I'm going to bed now before it gets worse.

suuuuuurrrrrrrre they will

*Looks around in discussed*

If this forum has gone rotten its from you guys.

my personal oppinion is that General Science & Technology and Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology are quite good as for now.
All the other forums maybe except politics are down the drain. Especially pseudoscience. You know, there were reasonable discussions there when I joined the Sciforums.

this is one of the reasons for my quite rare posting
and also as an oldtimer (if you allow me to say so) I see quite a lot of topics repeating and it's not anymore interessting for me to discuss them for the second or the 3rd time, even if I have something to say on the topic.

Yeah, maybe we did get a little carried away....:looks down in shame:

Blah...there's nothing wrong with sciforums. There's just a general lull in the news, and nothing major to discuss. Throw in the fact that summer has began and you can see why things have mucked up a bit.

The same thing happened last year at this time, and people were saying that sciforums was dropping off. Things will pick up in the fall.

Erm...this time last year I joined...I see a pattern :bugeye:

I actually have to agree with Avatar. When I first came there were so many great threads about I had trouble replying to all the ones I wanted to.
Now with the new wave of members we get all these recycled threads and I'm finding myself directing them to the old threads from time to time.
And there was actually a semi-decent thread in Free Thoughts yesterday and only two people replied, including me. This place seems to be falling faster than Asia Carrera's underknackers.
There are few threads now that you can state your opinion without someone else calling you stupid. And WE&P seems to be totally hooked up on Iraq...there are other things going on in the world.
I love complaining, it's a gift. I know what I like and when I hate something I know why. I never hate without good reason.

I don’t mind recycled topics, it seem people never learn from these threads so you have to re-explain over and over again, it provides nice busy work. Though I rarely find a thread that has a very good discussion it been that way since I have got here.

Originally posted by Greg Bernhardt
You all know where to find quality topics. Hop on over to PhysicsForums.com

Agreed. If the physics and Math section is the only section you'd even bother looking at, make the move!

I don’t mind recycled topics, it seem people never learn from these threads so you have to re-explain over and over again, it provides nice busy work.
I've pretty much posted the same post about intelligence about 5 or 6 times now in different threads. If only they listened first tme round....

Though I rarely find a thread that has a very good discussion it been that way since I have got here.
There's been a few. Psuedoscience was actually kinda good at one point.

Agreed. If the physics and Math section is the only section you'd even bother looking at, make the move!
Yeah...I'd like to see how many people will raise their hands to that one.

It is starting to suck in sciforums. When every other thread is called "How does Fredx Materbute on the thought of XEV", and "How to you spell Cthellhus", "Is XEV a lesbian", or "the Cthellhus fan club", or "lick my feet willya", I really start to worry.

thankfully the moderators are closing many threads recently in freethought. I never thought I would be happy with moderators closing threads...but this time I am...

I have returned. Through all the means at my disposal I shall attempt to alleviate the strain of boredom. I was away for too long, comrades, forgive me!

edit:

The new threads I've posted, to enjoy or despise at your discretion--

E.T Speculation (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=379048#post379048)

Required Reading (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=379051#post379051)

Floyd (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24608)

There, a myriad of topics to choose from. Hopefully at least one is stimulating, if not of the mind, then of at least the genitals.

Well ... I suppose we could always go the "civilized" route and create a non-enforceable convention of conduct and try to set a behavioral example.

The following skeleton outline is as much as I'm willing to give it unless anyone else thinks it's a good idea. And even then I'm not sold, but it's something to think about:Sciforums Quality Assurance Act of 2003
Proposed by Tiassa (A-P/WA/USA)
Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Preamble and Declaration of Purpose:

We, the users of Sciforums, in an effort to ensure quality communication, advocate the utility of rational discussion, and secure the blessings of free speech, do hereby resolve the following.

I. Title and nature of agreement:

1(a)This movement shall be known as the Sciforums Quality Assurance Act of 2003 (SQAA)
1(b) SQAA is a voluntary compact agreed to in principle by individual members of either free registration or paid subscription
1(c) SQAA carries no binding authority; it is a "compact of honor"
1(d) SQAA is subject to public debate before submission of its final form.

2. Address of Grievances

2(a) Recognizing that:

- a significant number of topics are dedicated to repetitive topics or trivial affinities
- the conduct of debate in certain fora to frequently sinks to deplorable depravity
- there exists a rising trend of open and profane disagreement with topic and forum moderation
- ???

the parties voluntarily agreeing to the SQAA pledge to undertake certain efforts in a sincere effort to reduce the issues of grievance.

3. General considerations:

3(a) Quality - definition?
3(b) Relevance
3(c) Profanity
3(d) Citation protocol
3(...) ???

4. Resolutions

4(a) Ensuring quality
4(b) Ensuring relevance
4(c) Addressing profanity
4(d) Addressing citation
4(...) ???
4 (x) Appeal to moderation

5. Limits of SQAA

5(a) Non-binding
5(b) Non-sanctioning
5(c) Violation does not inherently require moderation
5(d) "Honor system"
5(e) Disclaimer: The SQAA shall not be held as basis for interpersonal grudge; violation of the terms is left to each agreeing poster. This agreement is for each poster's conscience.

6. Considerations for Amendment

6(a) Do we really want to go this far at this time?
If people want, I can repost it as a topic and we can argue about the details and then anyone who wants to can simply acknowledge it and then do their best to abide by it. It would suggest such standards that non-compliance would not inherently violate Sciforums' relatively simple terms of conduct; we would hope to set a higher standard for ourselves.

But if it's something that sounds remotely like a good idea, we'll need a fleshier, more sexed-up document.

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

It's decent in theory, but in practice, I'm not sure how many people will actually follow all these rules- unless sci implements it as it's member code of honour or something.

I don't like rules...that's why I am a scientist, and not a soldier, or a corporate slave...

and forms like this remind me of microsoft...

And that's the point. Nobody wants to do anything about it. Why waste the kilobytes worrying about it?

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

Zero's reply to Clarentavious' post only highlighted his point. I think there have been quite a few member that haven't been posting for the very reasons outlined in C's thread.

However, I don't see any reason to blame moderators for the moronic responses posted; it's bad enough for them to have to read the garbage.

In any case I've looked in from time to time and I have noticed recent quality topics returning; I can only hope it keeps up.

Let's hope fpr the best.

Cheers.
Teri

Dear grief, you mean it used to be worse than Jerrek, prozak, DJsupreme, spookz, Clockwood and the various incarnations of Abdulla/Jihad/Ghassan?

but but but i am as liberal as they come. commie even. i demand you take me of your list. pronto!

:D

I am not sure if my opinion is important in this case but, I think that here at sciforums there is a place for every single subject that people might discuss... I post when I need help, when I'm curious, I read what i want to learn about... I believe in different intelligences. Some people understand physics.... i DON'T... I'm glad we have "free thoughts"... You know why I am here? I'm a brazilian 19 years old teacher, who had few education (because in my country, education is only acquired when you are made of money) and I learned English alone cuz I didn't have money to study, and here at sciforums I had contact with intelligent people, that are helping me to improve my English and also learn about many subjects... I owe you people... and I admire some of you... you know this... well sorry it took so long but I feel better know...:(

your welcome, you 19 year old brazilian teacher chick type person. you really just owe us a pic. on the beach. wearing stuff that brazilians are famous for.

thanks
spook

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
Dear grief, you mean it used to be worse than Jerrek, prozak, DJsupreme, spookz, Clockwood and the various incarnations of Abdulla/Jihad/Ghassan?

oh and sparky, act like a bitch and you will be treated as one.

Originally posted by spookz
your welcome, you 19 year old brazilian teacher chick type person. you really just owe us a pic. on the beach. wearing stuff that brazilians are famous for.

thanks
spook


I have opend my heart and that's what I read??:D cmon.... my city is so cold( south of brasil) that I wouldn't wear those clothes.... and don't confuse me with those girls you see on tv, "mulatas" dancin' with almost no clothes.... that's only for carnival, wich is such a bloody stupid party. ;)

men are shallow and beastly. wait! maybe its just me.
bah, another fantasy bites the dust!
thanks teach!!

this place does seem to have gone a bit downhill. I left for a while and I come back and the free thoughts section is just littered with closed threads.:(

And what is with all these Muslim fundamentalist and NeoNazi people that have to raise there hate of Israel and all Jews on every single post even when the thread is totally not related to that subject! If I hear one more thing about a Jewish conspiracy I am going to demand that heads start to role! Here is a conspiracy for you: a bunch of Anti-Semitic people have taken over the “World Events & Politics” sub-forum and are now using it for their evil propaganda purpose to make more skin-heads!

instead of making a hitlist like some nazi bitch, respond to my post. the debate? a unified ireland

Britain cancelled elections to the assembly in May, accusing the IRA of failing to make a clear pledge to renounce violence.

who the hell are they to cancel elections? lemme reiterate my demands (sein fein's actually):D

i want an end to british rule in ireland.

i want national self-determination, the unity and independence of ireland as a sovereign state.

when? frikking now!!!

make some valid points why you disagree this time rather than talking crap.
why a self professed irishman would refuse the return of 6 frikkin counties is beyond me. now git (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24796)

:D

I gave you a serious answer (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=383162&highlight=family#post383162) in that thread spookz - more fool me. So no thanks, I don't feel like wasting more time responding to a troll.

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
the various incarnations of Abdulla/Jihad/Ghassan?

You must be kidding if you say he lowers the level of the debate. He's smarter than you, does that piss you off?

you see do not feel that sein fein's position which i adopted is not a valid basis for a discussion? and that anyone doing so, is trolling? give me a frikkin break.

the real issue is your ego has been injured by my flippant and irreverant attitude and you seek revenge by calling for my banning. screw you! was this not the only time we ever had a dialogue? and by this example alone you justify your accusation? i notice you give examples of trolling by the others on your hitlist (bitch) but fail to provide one of mine (4000+ posts- surely at least one?)
what is your definition of a troll? if you recall my ire was raised when gerry adams was disparaged and shit progressed from there. you really dont know shit. if you think you can waltz in here and mold this place to your liking with your hitlist...screw you again bitch

allah is one of the smartest fuckers on this board. i just wish he stop changing his damn name

:D

still remains a fucker ;)

wes,
You must be kidding if you say he lowers the level of the debate. He's smarter than you, does that piss you off?
I can't say much regarding his intelligence level, other than that I generally don't regard exuberant racism as being an indicator of intelligence. But then, that's just my opinion. But as to lowering the level of debate, he has in the past, under another pseudonym, argued that grammar, spelling and basic logic are not worth studying or using when posting here. (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=339467#339467) Now sciforums may not be a forum that carries any weight at all - but I do at least try to spell correctly when I post, and I rarely make illogical points wes. You may not agree with me, but I don't think I've ever asked someone to accept a fact without giving a source for it. (I may not post the supporting reference if I've cited it before, but I'll usually repost the reference if it was more than a few days ago and someone asks).

spookz,
you see do not feel that sein fein's position which i adopted is not a valid basis for a discussion?
You weren't adopting SF's postition, you were blatently trolling. From your post (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=383223&highlight=want+british+rule+ireland#post383223):
its actually funnier than shit and i appreciate you biting. for that i will now regale you with some jokes. enjoycould a frikkin real englishman step up and bat? please? ranting at pseudo irishmen aint no fun!

the real issue is your ego has been injured by my flippant and irreverant attitude
My ego is still reasonably healthy spookz, but your comments were rather similar in nature (for me or anyone living in Ireland or the UK) to me coming out with some codswallop like "the US deserved the 9/11 attacks and I'm just sorry more people weren't killed". Firstly, you've no idea of the underlying history of the Northern Ireland situation, secondly, you've not lived through decades of the troubles and thirdly, you're commenting from a vantage point half-way around the world with no actual exposure to the problem. And you don't seem to want to educate yourself on the situation, which makes it even worse.

you really dont know shit. if you think you can waltz in here and mold this place to your liking with your hitlist...screw you again bitch
I'm not trying to mould anything. I've got a list of people whose posts struck me as assinine and I posted them here. As to the length of time and number of posts? Yup, you've got 4000+ posts. Me, this is my 875th post. And it comes an hour after I put some money where my mouth is and subscribed. You done that yet?
Or is this actually just your forum because you're "one of the net people"?
:rolleyes:

But then, that's just my opinion.

which is why you should be giving him the benefit of the doubt. i think he is cool. wes think he is cool. others dont. so what do we do now? divide sciforums into two camps and each call for the banning of the other? how did you get so frikkin intolerant?

But as to lowering the level of debate, he has in the past, under another pseudonym

your example sucks and you dont know shit! the bomber was not allah, you moron! allah has chastised the bomber many times for his "joo" shit! now if you cannot even identify who posters are, what makes you think you can call for their banning? it is like sending an innocent man to the gas chamber,you filthy fascist pig!

Now sciforums may not be a forum that carries any weight at all - but I do at least try to spell correctly when I post,

so you wanna ban em too? you filthy filthy fascist pig!

and I rarely make illogical points

that conclusion is not yours to make, you idiot!

You weren't adopting SF's postition, you were blatently trolling.

really? just cos i said so? you would not have recognised it if i did not do so? again do you think the subject popped outta my head? that i started it as an deliberate attempt to fuck with you? you do not reason well!

My ego is still reasonably healthy spookz, but your comments were rather similar in nature (for me or anyone living in Ireland or the UK) to me coming out with some codswallop like "the US deserved the 9/11 attacks and I'm just sorry more people weren't killed".

lemme try...ummm...got it! humorless dolt!

Firstly, you've no idea of the underlying history of the Northern Ireland situation,

educate me dammit. this was a perfect opportunity for you to fuck with sien fein's political platform but what do you do? whine about trolling!

I'm not trying to mould anything. I've got a list of people whose posts struck me as assinine and I posted them here.

who the hell raised your mean ass?

As to the length of time and number of posts? Yup, you've got 4000+ posts. Me, this is my 875th post.

again you read shit the wrong way!. i mentioned the post count so you could provide an find an example of my trolling. all it took was one fucking instance to call for my banning. porf can be an hardass sometimes but he is way more tolerant than your ass and this is his board!

And it comes an hour after I put some money where my mouth is and subscribed. You done that yet?

you stupid fuck. if i get shit for free i will never pay! that is the first rule of the internet and as an american, i feel proud to say that (if i get....!) btw, the timing of this subscription strikes me as curious. also in here we (members) do not make distinctions b/w paying and non-paying members! the measure of any given member is derived from their posts and not their bank balance! you are truly turning out to be a horrible human and that coming from me is saying quite a lot! frikking sneaky, insidious, backstabbing snake in the grass!

Or is this actually just your forum because you're "one of the net people"?
:rolleyes:

you roll your eyes at an assumption you make about me thru a quote by some other tard?? are you frikkin insane? why do you freaks think high post counts mean anything? is envy now seeping out of your words? this is not my forum "but it is my community"! (tiassa);)

I'm not trying to mould anything.

liar. you were try to get em banned!

Right, that's it. Handbags at ten paces at dawn I think spookz...
:rolleyes:

What was this thread's title again? Oh yes...

you were blatently trolling

what the hell is that? a spelling mistake? your ass is banned!

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
Right, that's it. Handbags at ten paces at dawn I think spookz...
:rolleyes:

heh:D

i aint mad sparky, just trollin mah life away, thats all

Originally posted by spookz
heh:D
i aint mad sparky, just trollin mah life away, thats all
Hope you don't mind if I quote you on that.

for the new, revised list? not at all!

:D

cmon, fool, defend yourself!

defend yourself!
Why? I'm not here to gratify you.

You weren't adopting SF's postition, (sparks)


Sinn Féin is an Irish Republican party. Our objective is to end British rule in Ireland. We seek national self-determination, the unity and independence of Ireland as a sovereign state.

Sinn Féin is committed to the transformation of Irish society and to a negotiated and democratic settlement. We know that peace is not simply the absence of violence. Real peace - a lasting peace - is based on democracy, justice, freedom and equality.

Sinn Féin has a vision that sees beyond the present conflict and beyond the present phase of our history. Our vision foresees the unity of the people of this island. Our vision is for the redistribution of wealth, for the well-being of the aged, for the advancement of youth, for the liberation of women and for the protection of our children. Our vision is for a free Ireland and a free people.

Sinn Féin is committed to our peace strategy. We have sought with honesty and integrity to construct a peace process which reaches out and embraces everyone on the island on the basis of equality. Our objective must be for an agreement that will earn the allegiance and respect of all sections of our people.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/

notice the first paragraph. i merely inserted "i". these are the objectives that i share. methods by which these goals are reached may differ

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
Why? I'm not here to gratify you.

oh ok, this is getting old anyway. you can go to bed now

spookz, that's no more sinn fein's real position than I'm the queen mother. We may be negotiating with them for a peaceful solution - but we know what they are through long experience.

And frankly, I can't even see the topic from way out here. (Which, ironically, is a commentary on the accuracy of the thread's topic...)

Originally posted by Clarentavious
During the past few months the quality of posts on sciforums has degraded enormously.

I'm not going to take my time to point out specific examples, and if I'm chided for not doing so then oh well - it should be obvious to anyone of any decency that has been on here before this crap started occurring and getting more out of hand.

The number of my responses to posts has slowed down to a crawl. I find myself generally answering technical related questions on the Nerd Culture board. I don't even bother reading threads whose titles or first posts are blatantly another "let's see who can win the first place prize of the most arrogant person on the internet"

I think we need much better moderation around here if sciforums is going to be a place of useful discussion.

Dave I hate to tell you this but I'm not going to send you any more money in the mail either for an avatar or to support this site, if what I am getting from it doesn't amount to much.

Ummm. I don't think moderation is the place to blame. If there aren't good posts, it's because posters aren't posting good posts. What can Mods do but stir up cries of "censorship?"

I never start discussion threads on forums with generic titles like "What do you think about?" Huh? How in the world would a person know if that topic interests them, without first clicking on it? I always try to use specific and provocative titles that make it clear at a glance what a discussion is about, and on my forum on another website, rather than whine about the inevitable topic drift, I will rename a discussion if I need to, to better reflect its current topic or multiple topics.

The level of conversation on the WE&P forum hasn't gone up since the start of this thread, by the way. And while the Ignore list is becoming my fastest route to lower mental stress, it's starting to look a bit silly:

http://www.cs.tcd.ie/Mark.Dennehy/images/sciforumsDogs.jpg

And some threads are even worse (happily this one was closed) :
http://www.cs.tcd.ie/Mark.Dennehy/images/sciforums_1.jpg

Me hopes Spark I'm not on that list :(

Not yet nico, but one more of those photos... :D

You didn't see it you liar! LOL, seriously I did not know of that gay porno thing. Mea Culpa! And why is G.K on you ignore, I mean he can be somewhat bias (:m: ) at times but he is no Johan (Jerrek), or Dj. I can't ignore anyone it seems. Losing to much ignorance to laugh at.

sparky is a facist pig. it will not tolerate dissension or opposing points of view.

look at the sheer gall.... threatening to put on ignore!
how unfortunate! what a waste of talent (ability to put idiots in their place)

Many of those people won't listen to others, they sit unwavering in there views, some are trollers and flamers. A beleive he has the right to ignore them.

WCF and the rest who do u think are these trollers and flammers, I am talking about the WEP forum. My personal annoyances are the obvious ones:

Johan
Dj
Zero

The rest I can bare.

Proud_Syrian, I have a talent at this the other 2 people I put on my ignore list were banned, three in a row would be quite an accomplishment. :p

Who Abdullah? And who is the other person?

Green_world

Nico, please don't take it out on the person's account that I'm using as a webspace. He doesn't know about sciforums.

Sparks , I know you are ignoring me so perhaps another can make this clear to you since I cannot allow for such a wise person as yourself to spread simply lies about me on this board .

Abdulla/Jihad/Ghassan?

* I have absolutely nothing to do with AbdullaTheBomber and it should be AbdullaH btw . The man was a Jewish anti-semite (he was funny though) who was previously known as the AZCowboy .

I dont share nor have I shared his views and wish not to be equalized with him . To compare me with him in such ways shows either your lack of differentiating between 2 different kinds of reasoning that appear to come from the same corner , or you simply have no clue what MY position on the matters is , wich I know you do .

I generally don't regard exuberant racism as being an indicator of intelligence.

* You know very well I am not a racist nor can you priovde me any shred of evidence that I would prefer one race over another or even hold moral value in race whatsoever .
Another lie and you know it .

that grammar, spelling and basic logic are not worth studying or using when posting here

* I really cannot understand that as you even provide the link along with it you can afford to lie as you do . Logics is about the most important thing in a debate how can you say that I consider them not worthy studying when posting here ?

* Spelling & Grammar : First I have to point you out that you argue from an Anglo-centric view of this world , and I believe conversation with such peoples should be spoken in French or German , are you willing to do that ? Secondly I have pointed out somehwere in a thread (maybe u can dig it up seems u like doing that) that dealt about Einsteins (& others) spelling errors . I then have mentioned a theory why they might do that , and why I consider spelling & grammatical errors not very relevant .

My main goal is communication , and grammar & spelling IMO have overrated importance in this communication . It mostly has importance for the Anglo-centric elitist who thinks that 6 Billion peoples on this planet are ought to not only speak English , but also spell correctly and use proper grammar (acording to what rules btw , there are various accepted ways to write English) in order to be considered a worthy person to debate with .

This attitude IMO is below all intelligence , such peoples should be restricted to the use of smileys only . Literary language is far to superior to them .

I rarely make illogical points wes

Please show me what illogical points I make when you accuse me of doing so . It was you who said :

I don't think I've ever asked someone to accept a fact without giving a source for it.

Where's the source Sparkie-boy ?

Oh and if you can read this ..... can you give me a typ on how to make screenshots (of your list ignored-list) like you did ? Anyone ? What program do I need and where to get it ? Thank you .

Oh and before I forget , mostly todays interpertation of English language seems to fail logical semantics , however they did succeed with the words Ignorance and Ignoring

Could anyone who cares for Sparks to read this as much as I do mention my post to him or quote it for him to see ?

Thank you .

:)

Etymology: obsolete ignore to be ignorant of, from French ignorer, from Latin ignorare, from ignarus ignorant, unknown, from in- + gnoscere, noscere to know

Don't give English the credit: its Latin. :D

Still ignore in english no long holds the diffintion "to be ignorant of"

fetus is a facist pig. it will not tolerate dissension or opposing points of view.

look at the sheer gall.... threatening to put on ignore!
how unfortunate! what a waste of talent (ability to shake testtube)

allah
give up on sparky. he aint a very nice human and is the first i have encountered here being deliberately malicious. yuck!

When did I threaten to put someone on ignore :confused: like I said before the people I put on ignore are people I think are likely to be banned, so far I have been right 2/3 times, if I’m a fascist pig for that then Porfiry is one to.

Originally posted by spookz
allah
give up on sparky. he aint a very nice human

hehe.. what does "nice" have to do with it BITCH!!!!

:D

hey man, sparky's only problem is the stick jammed up his ass. I think he's a good guy man, he's just a mega-tight-ass. I'm pretty sure he means well, though it IS hard to tell.
Originally posted by spookz

and is the first i have encountered here being deliberately malicious. yuck!

OH yeah RIGHT! Prozack? Sheeit. Hell dude, YOU have been deliberately malicious, albeit hallariously so.. heheh. :m:

:cool:

fuck
busted. damn you to hell mr wes "fuckin" morris

no seriously, cant you differentiate b/w prozak and sparky? the latter is malicious in the abstract while sparky engages in vendettas against members on this board. he makes it personal which is unfortunate cos he is an excellent poster (and on my side of the issues)

fetus
apologies

Originally posted by spookz
fuck
busted. damn you to hell mr wes "fuckin" morris

dude, I'm so fucked up today. for some reason associated with the fact that I've been inexplicably listless for 3 days, I've been player-hating all fucking day.

i want now, to let a player play. play on playing player, play on.

no seriously, cant you differentiate b/w prozak and sparky? the latter is malicious in the abstract while sparky engages in vendettas against members on this board. he makes it personal which is unfortunate cos he is an excellent poster (and on my side of the issues)
*sigh*
Well then think of this as a vendetta. Welcome to the Ignored-by-Sparks gang spookz.

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
*sigh*
Well then think of this as a vendetta. Welcome to the Ignored-by-Sparks gang spookz.

OK, should anyone care at all that you have an ignore list?

Sparks,

Maybe your going a little over board now, I think spookz is just jerking you around for kicks He probably means no harm.

I know WCF, and I'll probably take him off it later, but he does get under my skin and if I wanted that, I'd go talk to my parents for a while about my life and where it's going...
:rolleyes:

heh
i am rendered speechless:D

Ok Johan. :rolleyes: Multiple personalities alert!

Ohh and spookz do u still me? LOL ;)

This place has gotten pretty shitty. Still, I come back every now and then. I don't know why, it is like some sick addiction. Most of the people are complete toss-offs. This worthless thread just adds to the pile. :o

Originally posted by fadingCaptain
I don't know why, it is like some sick addiction.

You come here to celebrate my brilliance. Make it your montra. You have been warned.

hehe (sorry spookz, it just felt like the thing to say)

"wesmorris is brilliant wesmorris is brilliant wesmorris is brilliant"

Hmmm. Doesn't have much of a calming effect...

Originally posted by fadingCaptain
"wesmorris is brilliant wesmorris is brilliant wesmorris is brilliant"

Hmmm. Doesn't have much of a calming effect...

Yes, now that I see it in montra form I find it far more disturbing that calming. Sorry bro, it seemed like a good idea at the time :D

I should say though, that maybe a calming effect isn't what you're looking for. I certainly haven't found my sciforums experience to be calming. Hehe.

I find myself generally answering technical related questions on the Nerd Culture board.
Bring back the Nerd Culture board.

Who are all the new guys, err the ppl I've never seen before? Zero (banned); nico (banned); and others??? Who the hell are they! I never seen them post anywhere...

Who the hell is darksidZz? Never seen him before.

Who the hell is Avatar?! First time I see that guy. How did he get so many posts so fast? Must be a bot...

The more things change, the more they stay the same. This thread is like the current sixth formers meeting the sixth formers who graduated 5 years ago.

hey, I had posted here on 25.06.2003, sweet

Http://sciforums.stryderunknown.co.uk/images/necromancy.jpg
I will not get tired of playing this card.

3 Old Men on a Park Bench.

OM1: "It's not as good as the auld days."
OM2: "Nah, everyfings gorn to rack and ruin."
OM3: "No respect for their elders, that's the trouble....."
OM1: "Think they know it all, they do"
OM2: "Rack and Ruin......"
OM3: "No respect"


OM1,2 and 3: "PUT THEM IN THE ARMY!"

I'm not sure why the posts on sciforums have degenerated to myspace level. I mean, it doesn't say anywhere that this is a myspace forum. Where do people get such notions.

I'm not sure why the posts on sciforums have degenerated to myspace level. I mean, it doesn't say anywhere that this is a myspace forum. Where do people get such notions.

science got dry.

I don't even bother reading threads whose titles or first posts are blatantly another "let's see who can win the first place prize of the most arrogant person on the internet"
Those are the most popular people on the internet...those whos exaggerations are entertaining.

Being right or informed is not important in places where people come for entertainment.

Be loud, arrogant, abusive or whatever other form of chaos will send you right to the top of the popularity contest.

PP, that is not the way it is. A person that can explain something difficult will be far more popular then any Noob that don't know nothing or has been bitten by a nargle.

Cess this unedifying trash.

sciforums has not fallen apart because for something to fall apart it has to exist...whereas what proof is there that sciforums exists in the first place? ... proof exists but is not definite...so as long as you believe it exists it exists...just like God

sciforums has not fallen apart because for something to fall apart it has to exist...whereas what proof is there that sciforums exists in the first place? ... proof exists but is not definite...so as long as you believe it exists it exists...just like God

WTF are you talking about?

Anyway, I thought sciforums was doing pretty good, because I visited this website before I registered. Seems to have taken a nose dive since I made an account. What a coincidence.

It's normal, I've witnessed far worse.

Iznit time diss fred was putinda sestpule.
Sishforums is much mor telligent now
dan in de oldi daze.

Sciforums is only what its members make it.

Not only members.

Http://sciforums.stryderunknown.co.uk/images/necromancy.jpg
I will not get tired of playing this card.

I rest my case.

according to this thread its been falling apart for years, and yet here we are.

In essence a number of posters join each year from their High schools and Colleges. They post when they are in class, they post when they are out of class, however when they get qualified and get to the point of looking for work they tend to move on.

This is a continuous cycle, it's occurred every year since I've been on this forum and with each year typically the same type of threads are produced. (Only in recent years a lot of flame feasters have been baiting the forums members to be disgruntled with such accounts.)

When you see this cycle because you've been here, you get use to it, which is why some of us tend to get a little bit annoyed at the constant slamming of the site or it's members/moderators. (You antagonists [Generally addressing others that read the thread] I'm addressing know who you are, you aren't the first to do it and you won't be the last.)

This forum has however suffered many changes, when Porfiry had it, the last years he did at least, it suffered a lot of neglect. He appeared once in a while to get the database back up when a crash occurred, the main reason though is because obviously he had greater commitments to attend to than just the forum.

With the current Administration we have someone hands on to keep this place up and running rather than just ending up a broken dead-end site where the members all left because of continuous outages.

The problem is that people have been so impressionable by what they've read and who they choose to accept arguments from rather than making their own intellectual observation from a perspective of indifference.

it is not sciforums that has fallen apart, it is us who have fallen apart and from that perspective see sciforums falling apart. We do not walk upon this earth, the earth moves underneath us.

according to this thread its been falling apart for years, and yet here we are.
actually we are all just one big happy family

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/72/Jackson5.jpg/200px-Jackson5.jpg

Sciforums is only what its members make it.
Yep, and the members suck because any with an original thought are inevitably weeded out by moderators/admins.

Why wouldn't sciforums degrade into error-filled small talk by teenagers?
People aren't banned for making posts like that, people are banned for being contraversial or potentially offensive to someone. So there's a darwinian selection in favour of bland inoffensive mediocrity.

Don't get me wrong, good posters can happen to be inoffensive and not contraversial, but the contraversial and offensive posters bring out the best in them.
Without them the good posters leave or stop posting because they are bored.
It's an ecosystem, predators that tear apart prey might seem unpleasant at first glance, but a deeper understanding reveals that everything goes to shit without them.

If you genuinely want to fix the board, let people say whatever the fuck they want.

It's that easy.

These nothing posts dominating the board currently are like weeds, given a foothold due to a lack of thick grassy discussion.

I remember when sciforums was a glistening meadow of sweet free open thoughts. Many disgusting and offensive, but that just comes with the territory of an environment that nurtures quality posts.
You have to let people speak their minds, feel free to spill whatever is inside them out, if you want the place flowing organically.

People don't get inspiration from restraint and censorship. And uninspired posts aren't interesting to anyone.
If it's in the backs of people's heads that what they say could get them banned they have to clumsily slap together a fake sterile string of words.
No one is going to stick around to do that, except for those so simple that their thoughts never transcend the boundaries of what's acceptable in accordance with site rules. They're the only people who can be satisfied with the current environment of sciforums.
Others can hold back and adapt to exist within said environment peacefully enough, but they won't thrive, look around, they evidently are not.

Dr Lou Natic:

Your argument that a total absence of moderation makes for a forum full of exciting and interesting thoughts sounds all well and good. But you are already very familiar with at least one counterexample that disproves your own theory.

When misogyny, homophobia, racism and personal psychological hangups are allowed to run rampant on a forum, all civilised and intelligent posters go elsewhere, leaving only the bottom dwellers to wallow in their own filth.

The fact is, every forum membership self-selects its own clientele. There is no forum that suits everyone. Some people never want to drag themselves out of the gutter and think. Some want only to big-note themselves by being big fish in a small pond. Some set out to try to compensate for frustrations from their "real" lives in an environment where they believe they are effectively anonymous. Some just want mindless banter, so they can switch off after a day's work. Others want intellectual stimulation, or access to views that don't often make it to the mainstream media.

A "flame wars" forum may be what you want - a place where people insult each other, and that stops you being "bored" and provokes an emotional reaction from you that you enjoy.

I find it interesting that so many disgruntled ex-members of sciforums seem desperate to keep "contributing" here, despite their constant whinging about how this forum does not meet their personal wishes for what a forum ought to be. I mean, if you complain and complain and nothing changes to your satisfaction, how long does it take to realise that maybe you're in the wrong place?

You complain about "nothing posts dominating the board". And yet, you choose to frequent another forum where the standard posts are insults and obscenities posted by true "rebels without a cause". If you really consider that what is here is "nothing", while you find that what is there is valuable, then the difference is as obvious as chalk and cheese, and you should make the obvious choice of where you wish to be, rather than carrying on a campaign of complaint in a futile attempt to turn this place into a carbon copy of that place.

People don't get inspiration from restraint and censorship. And uninspired posts aren't interesting to anyone.

Most people generally do not enjoy anarchy and mindless drivel, either. But some do. If you're one of those who does, there are plenty of places on the internet where you can find those things.

But you are already very familiar with at least one counterexample that disproves your own theory.
No I'm not...?

Others want intellectual stimulation, or access to views that don't often make it to the mainstream media.
That there is precisely what I want.
I wonder what you have against a hypothetical forum of this nature?
Does it really sound that bad?
Why do you actively prevent sciforums from becoming such a forum? Do you genuinely prefer sanitary small talk amongst the small minded? Do you feel it has a higher innate value?

If someone says something offensive about jews (for example), why not wait for jews to come and argue against the horrible biggot, or argue against them yourself on behalf of jews like the enlightened compassionate superman that you are.
Let this rare dialogue flourish for once on earth, what an opportunity.

Right now sciforums has a huge group of people who agree anti-semitism is awful, and there are racist forums that have a huge group of people who agree jews are awful.
Both are equally worthless.

This is just one example, I don't envision the perfect sciforums to specify on anti-semitism, or any one issue.
Rather open discussion on every possible issue any one can think of, mostly ones which aren't appropriate small talk in social situations (because why bother with ones that are?). Be it due to them potentially offending someone, or even potentially boring or excluding someone (discussions about physics or geology or philosophy, etc).

A "flame wars" forum may be what you want - a place where people insult each other, and that stops you being "bored" and provokes an emotional reaction from you that you enjoy.
I never really flamed people that much, I didn't avoid flaming people (and don't think anyone should) but flaming certainly didn't comprise the bulk of my contributions or anything close.
I would say you flame more than me, with passive aggression and less curse words, but you definately pick on people with intent to bring them down and make them feel bad much more commonly than I ever did.

The way you characterise my posts indicates that you never really paid much attention to them, you just know they featured words commonly used in flaming/trolling/racist posts, and so to you that's what they were.
I expect that from most people, I'm not deluded enough to think people are on the edge of their swivel seats peering deep into the abyss of my literary significance.
But it's irritating that the person with the power to delete my posts and permaban my account for what I say has no fucking idea what I'm saying, and an itchy trigger finger to boot.

I can't expect you to "get me" if you don't, but why not generally let more go? Not to condone the comments and views you disagree with, but to actually combat them and expose their flaws?
When people say bad things, tell them how and why it's bad, and let others tell them why it's bad, and let people try to insult and shame them into not having such "bad" views. Why not let there be arguments on the contentious and contraversial issues?
I mean, if you want any good to come from anything that happens here.

Banning people doesn't make their ideas disappear, open discussion has the potential to do so much more, and there's absolutely no denying this.

And yet, you choose to frequent another forum where the standard posts are insults and obscenities posted by true "rebels without a cause".
No I don't, what forum?

I don't frequent any forum any more. I occassionally visit one about animals, but less and less. I've never been a member of any "flaming" or "rebel" forum.
I've never even seen or heard of one to tell you the truth.
Animals and comedy are the two types of forum I have been involved in, apart from sciforums. I joined sciforums as a dumb teenager for one topic I saw about killer whales I think.
But, over the years, I grew accustomed to sciforums and became a part of the community.
I'd rather try to fix my broken community than go to one where I can swear at people. I want to swear at THESE people, is that so hard to understand?

You complain about "nothing posts dominating the board". And yet, you choose to frequent another forum where the standard posts are insults and obscenities posted by true "rebels without a cause". If you really consider that what is here is "nothing", while you find that what is there is valuable, then the difference is as obvious as chalk and cheese, and you should make the obvious choice of where you wish to be, rather than carrying on a campaign of complaint in a futile attempt to turn this place into a carbon copy of that place.

If you're talking about Spurious's forum, I don't think that Lou hangs out there. He does have an account, I believe, but haven't seen it posting except way back when.

I personally agree more with Lou on this than against him. Rather, I don't think that the forum should necessarily be 'anything goes'. But, I do feel that the true problem posters of the forums are generally not the ones that are prosecutable by forum rules. There's no rule against being insipid.

I find it interesting that so many disgruntled ex-members of sciforums seem desperate to keep "contributing" here, despite their constant whinging about how this forum does not meet their personal wishes for what a forum ought to be.

Probably because this forum used to really kick ass. It still has potential and is better than other science forums in a lot of ways, but is a pale shadow of its one time glory.
Yes. I speak of glory days.
Sue me.

I've been mostly gardening and playing basketball since I was banned from here, if you're really that interested.

No carrots in cornholes or group masturbation?

Is basketball big in Australia?

No carrots in cornholes or group masturbation?
Mostly gardening and basketball, MOSTLY.
Don't forget this includes growing vegetables and spending time in locker rooms.

Is basketball big in Australia?
Not really.

Don't get me wrong, good posters can happen to be inoffensive and not contraversial, but the contraversial and offensive posters bring out the best in them.Bang on.

Dr Lou Natic:

Forgive me if I made unwarranted assumptions about your membership of spurious's "shitforums", as they call it over there. I'm glad you're not wasting your time there.

There's nothing I really disagree with you about from your previous post on what makes a good forum. What I do disagree with you about is that sciforums lacks those qualities, or that I am somehow responsible. I mean:

Do you genuinely prefer sanitary small talk amongst the small minded?

What do you think? Really?

If someone says something offensive about jews (for example), why not wait for jews to come and argue against the horrible biggot, or argue against them yourself on behalf of jews like the enlightened compassionate superman that you are.

If you look at threads in the "World events" and "Politics" forums, you will find many discussions where exactly such arguments are made, both by others and by myself. There are many ongoing threads about the Israel-Palestine situation. There are multiple ongoing threads where the supposed evils of the Arab world, or the Western world, are being battled out. Look around you. Debates over animal rights, the value or otherwise of "illegal immigrants", homosexuality, religion, right vs. left politics are common here. They are not censored. No view is imposed due to "political correctness". The only line drawn is at the point when actual constructive debate disappears and is replaced by personal acrimony and insult, or evidence- and effort-free stereotyping.

Right now sciforums has a huge group of people who agree anti-semitism is awful, and there are racist forums that have a huge group of people who agree jews are awful.
Both are equally worthless.

Anti-semitism is a form of irrational prejudice. The worst thing about it is that it advocates hatred for a group of people based on a characteristic that is intrinsic to that group and one that cannot be chosen or changed. As such, it is akin to racism and sexism. Hatred for a person because of what he is, rather than what he does in terms of the choices he makes, is bigotry. Bigotry is irrational, and as such is not amenable to reason. There is a difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism, by the way, and "semitism" does not imply "zionism".

There is no point in providing sciforums as a platform for bigots on which to soapbox. There are already enough of those on the internet.

I never really flamed people that much, I didn't avoid flaming people (and don't think anyone should) but flaming certainly didn't comprise the bulk of my contributions or anything close.

I really wasn't trying to imply this about you.

I would say you flame more than me, with passive aggression and less curse words, but you definately pick on people with intent to bring them down and make them feel bad much more commonly than I ever did.

I don't have a huge amount of tolerance for fools, I admit. But I always make a point of trying to rationally reason with people rather than insulting them. That doesn't mean that I won't call a spade a spade and point out when I perceive that they are hypocritical or dishonest or uncharitable. Nor does it mean that I will sit back and be insulted without ever responding.

As a rule, I always remember that when in a heated discussion or argument with somebody on the forum, my posts are not primarily for their benefit. It is far more important to convince others who are reading the thread. People often dig in when they feel threatened or challenged. They take a position and become unwilling to give any ground at all. Once that happens, I don't expect them to back down. I just try to make the best argument I can to sway any undecided lurkers.

I expect that from most people, I'm not deluded enough to think people are on the edge of their swivel seats peering deep into the abyss of my literary significance.
But it's irritating that the person with the power to delete my posts and permaban my account for what I say has no fucking idea what I'm saying, and an itchy trigger finger to boot.

The decision to unban you is supported by myself and the other moderators. We are willing to let bygones be bygones. Where things go from here is really up to you.

Banning people doesn't make their ideas disappear, open discussion has the potential to do so much more, and there's absolutely no denying this.

Few if any posters here are banned for their ideas. They are generally banned when they no longer show any respect for other members, or they become a destructive rather than constructive influence on the forum as a whole.

But, over the years, I grew accustomed to sciforums and became a part of the community.
I'd rather try to fix my broken community than go to one where I can swear at people. I want to swear at THESE people, is that so hard to understand?

I understand what you're saying. Whether you sincerely want to make a contribution here or not, only time will tell. I will certainly try to step back and give you room, but I can promise no special treatment or greater latitude than is given to other members. Certainly, some ex-members of sciforums expected special treatment, and found it difficult to cope when they weren't given it. I hope that the point has now been made clearly enough, so we can start a new chapter here.

Hey, Dr Lou, long time no see. Where've you been?

His angel gracious came from heaven to touch the scorched ground dwelling, he reached for chosen soul there to bring upon the light to heaven

for you I will make one last post, since you were one of the great members of sciforums.
bwhahahahaha! :roflmao:

bwhahahahaha! :roflmao:

*Sigh*

Lets not try to inflame the situation any further.

killjoy

http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-01-17.gif

I remember when sciforums was a glistening meadow of sweet free open thoughts. Many disgusting and offensive, but that just comes with the territory of an environment that nurtures quality posts.
You have to let people speak their minds, feel free to spill whatever is inside them out, if you want the place flowing organically.

Your memory is based on when the forum was going through one of it's *fallen apart* phases, that wasn't the forum in it's glory, that was it when a little neglect had set in and the weeds were running rampant in the garden.

The true ones that spoil this forum aren't necessarily the controversial posters but the whining brats that don't like it when they can't get their way and have a temper tantrum. Sorry kids, it's apart of growing up, you can't always get what you want, especially when you misbehave, if you can't accept that then your not going to get far in the real world.

Yup
The insanity can be visionary. And occasionally right.
The whining is always a call to change the nappy.

The true ones that spoil this forum aren't necessarily the controversial posters but the whining brats that don't like it when they can't get their way and have a temper tantrum. Sorry kids, it's apart of growing up, you can't always get what you want, especially when you misbehave, if you can't accept that then your not going to get far in the real world.Actually, I thought Peta was closer to the mark. That's why individuals with spirit stand out like sore thumbs. And why the obnoxious, the ill mannered, the humdrum, the poseurs, and the provocateurs can recognize them a mile off and conveniently brand them as spammers or trolls—whatever the hell that's suppose to mean in human nature.

Well you missed Peta lose her rag and start pming all the moderators that she felt wronged by, asking them to ban her. She also wasn't exactly nice about asking either, she might well have been angry but she was definitely having a Tantrum. She might or might not return, that is up to her, If he does return I just ask her to think a little more before having a outburst.

Well you missed Peta lose her rag and start pming all the moderators that she felt wronged by, asking them to ban her. She also wasn't exactly nice about asking either, she might well have been angry but she was definitely having a Tantrum. She might or might not return, that is up to her, If he does return I just ask her to think a little more before having a outburst.Cause and effect. And here again, spirit is misrepresented by something else. You could have said she went off the edge, which I think would have been more honest—somewhat like Satyr or Reiku returning home only to discover that their front doors got locked while they were away. I mean, in the end, Peta was surrounded from all sides and being snipped at by a bunch of hyenas—why shouldn't she react disproportionately? But these type of reactions are simply the flip side of what these three members were capable of posting: that is never taken into consideration.

I recall when Lucifer Whatever got all sensitive and uptight over her kids being alluded to as deranged, and how we all learnt that her kids are the most important thing to her—Peta and I defended her and her kids then, her most important virtue: did Lucifer Whatever include us on her Xmas list of greetings?? How the simple forget easily.

??? so lucifer's angel OWED peta???

^ No, darling—she the forum simply, uh, forgot to take a more important fact into consideration.

I mean, in the end, Peta was surrounded from all sides and being snipped at by a bunch of hyenas—why shouldn't she react disproportionately?

Um.
Actually, she left because the hot guy thread got locked and I wouldn't let her start a hot asian guy thread.

You're acting like she was heroic or respectable or something.
The hell?

I'll admit that her words could be taken as heroic, but it was her saying them.
The asian hot guy poster.

Your memory is based on when the forum was going through one of it's *fallen apart* phases, that wasn't the forum in it's glory, that was it when a little neglect had set in and the weeds were running rampant in the garden.

The forum has gone through several phases, can't be denied. But, the glory days that are referred to by most posters are the same that Lou refers to. To put a time frame to it, the age would likely be bracketed between 02 and 05. Perhaps beginning as late as 03.

ahh yes
the time that fucker spookz used to post
what fun!
i heard he was offered a shot at redemption but refused
rather crass i think

/microwaves puppies and kittens

Um.




The forum has gone through several phases, can't be denied. But, the glory days that are referred to by most posters are the same that Lou refers to. To put a time frame to it, the age would likely be bracketed between 02 and 05. Perhaps beginning as late as 03.
Can you offer a link to some of these groovy nostalgic threads?

You cud chewing codgers are making me envious.

The fact is, every forum membership self-selects its own clientele.

and there you have it. this could be a kkk forum. do you racists have what it takes? to take on....us? can you crackpots own this board thru the force of logic and reason?

sci is up for grabs
the question is...are you man enough?

Can you offer a link to some of these groovy nostalgic threads?

You cud chewing codgers are making me envious.

it is crap nostalgia. it is when the claimants had their heydey. they emote not reason. sci has got better over the years. arguments more sophisticated, more cynical, more whatnot

i have never claimed anything. it is an obvious sign of weakness easily exploited and that in my book is a hell of a no no

now
who the fuck resurrected this thread?
sci is doing just fine and will do even better if we all go back to posting things of actual note

it is crap nostalgia. it is when the claimants had their heydey.

It was also the time when Proud Muslim ruled the religious forum... and Flores.. I miss Flores.. Then of course there was Coffee.. and not to forget Goofy..

We aren't as bitchy as we were back then. We also weren't as whiny back then as we are now.

I'm thinking more of the time when Tony1 ruled the religious forum, and XEV.

Um.
Actually, she left because the hot guy thread got locked and I wouldn't let her start a hot asian guy thread.But why was the thread closed?

You're acting like she was heroic or respectable or something.
The hell?Of course not; she was simply a recent example of being the victim of the forum's "ethics" — and I said as much: the reactionary flip-side to an otherwise intelligent aptitude. You know, people here talk so philosophically about the ups and downs of being, the heights and depths of consciousness, the catch-22s of psychological dilemmas—but that's all it is: talk. Yet, when the carrot, in its more realistic form, suddenly dangles among their own co-members, all of a sudden its SPAM and TROLL and WHINY and SISSY... —so much for an otherwise high-minded philosophizing behind the security of a philosophy or ethics or human science forum. Human nature here is only talked about as in a film critique—or as in a tabloid or indictment if it pertains to local posters.

Yet, when a spirited personality like Gendanken drops in and lets her hair hang loose, and commingles hard-world philosophy/psychology/ethics with personal attestations, what does she get? A bunch of hyenas crying foul. Nobody sees.

Of course not; she was simply a recent example of being the victim of the forum's "ethics" — and I said as much: the reactionary flip-side to an otherwise intelligent aptitude. You know, people here talk so philosophically about the ups and downs of being, the heights and depths of consciousness, the catch-22s of psychological dilemmas—but that's all it is: talk. Yet, when the carrot, in its more realistic form, suddenly dangles among their own co-members, all of a sudden its SPAM and TROLL and WHINY and SISSY... —so much for an otherwise high-minded philosophizing behind the security of a philosophy or ethics or human science forum. Human nature here is only talked about as in a film critique—or as in a tabloid or indictment if it pertains to local posters.

Exactly.
I wanted to comment on something said earlier:

The problem is that people have been so impressionable by what they've read and who they choose to accept arguments from rather than making their own intellectual observation from a perspective of indifference.

I am intrigued about this discrepancy between the official forum topics and the way they are discussed.
To give a blunt example of this discrepancy - it's like saying: 'You should be a good, magnanimous and noble person, you bloody worthless slut!'

Of course this discrepancy is inavoidable to some extent, as human thought tends to be ahead of human behavior.

However, - and this is perhaps where the 'science'-mindedness of this forum sets in - namely, there is a tacit assumption in science that 'what is statistically average, is normal and should be aimed for'.
Is this why the above-mentioned discrepancy is tolerated and not persecuted, whereas any behavior that falls at the ends of the bell curve is persecuted?

We should keep in mind though that the average is not truly good, it's only average.
And more importantly, that trying to level everything to the average in the long run leads to a lessening of quality.


EDIT: But what is the aim of this forum? Quality discussion, or relative contentment of (the majority of) members? The two are compatible only to an extent, but not fully.

what is being persecuted here? what issues and postures are unacceptable?
i say that if logically tenable it will be allowed in here

give me threads and the alleged censored postulations. we shall discuss viability

..any behavior that falls at the ends of the bell curve is persecuted?...

/eek

for a moment, i imagined intellect as the proposition.
hmm, behavior. emotion inducing. sensibilities, aesthetics.

why tolerate the obnoxious retard or the priggish eugenicist?. there is a community aspect to sci and we all have our like and dislikes. it is not intellect that determines the social dynamic. it is the posture.

noobs however should be cut some fucking slack. let em feel shit out and figure out a persona. then.....

what is being persecuted here? what issues and postures are unacceptable?

In the simplest terms: On the one end, there are 'trolls' and 'spammers', and other end there are 'racists' and 'fundamentalists', for example. Both are deemed unacceptable by the moderation policy.

strange that
how come i, of all people, deem em unacceptable as well?
differing defs, perhaps?