Every month that goes by things become more and more a shouting match between two opposing extreme positions. Many people here are blatant trolls. I didn't come here originally to see who can out insult each other. I'll have to take a vacation from this site untill it's sanity level rises. There is no debating with shooting, drooling extremists. Please people, use your brains, and stop provoking for the "fun" of it, that is what AOL chatrooms are for. I wish there were a modifier that allows good intelligent threads to be marked and voted as such. This hands-off moderation policy used to work, but the tide of idiots is swelling, and the lowlands are being flooded.

Ohhhh i agree 100% the WEP forum has some good posters but many are just plain stupid. Some are there just to anger the opposition. I consider myself a mod. in the WEP forum, and I feel as if it is collapsing. :(

You consider yourself a mod? That has to be the single stupidest thing I have ever heard.

You don't just consider yourself a moderator, what the hell good does that do anyone? The lines between who is and isn't a moderator are quite clear, it's kind of a yes no thing. Considering yourself one doesn't get you jack shit.

I agree with Nico

Go sort 'em out :D

But blankc , could you please point out what you are talking about ?

If it is the extremicy of a position in relation to all other positions on the forum , then I must say a judgement of the value of a debate is not the position but rather the argument that creates a position irrelavant of its extremicy in relation to others .

I think that we need fascism on Sciforums and the rights of peoples need to be reconsidered . There should be a technocratic application of intelligent debate ensuring a carefull and correct division of pre-arranged intelligence points , resulting in different accounts peoples have ..... you know something like the issue with the cash . If you pay you get more abilities , and so it should be if you can prove intelligence . As in addition the opposite should happen if you prove stupidity .

An example :

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=400473#post400473

clearly showing inferior intelligence . Now how can it be that such individuals can be allowed to use more than smiley's (3max) in their posts ? Would their opinion not be reflected just as perfect in the eyes of those who are obviously superior to them ?

You tell me , but I think fascism shouldnt be an issue if its based on the universal virtue that is intelligence . Hey , I hate fascism just like any other guy :D , but if its based on the right pemisses .........

And no banning shouldnt be an option , but can we not show them their place ? Irrelevant to their position , would be a system that organizes the level of debate to be on its max level possible , as you simply create a natural-selection system dealing with that what creates debates the best way : intelligence .

Im sure if Nico was a mod he'd consider my ideas :D

18% of Pakistanis are diagnosed with chest pains or heart disease, compared with 14% of Sikhs, and 8% of Hindus
· 20% of Muslims report a long-standing illness, compared with 16% for Hindus and Sikhs

This is one of the most absurd things that I have read in a while.

I meant moderate person on WEP, sorry if you mis-interupted that.

Im sure if Nico was a mod he'd consider my ideas

Well if I was a moderator under your forum G.K I would be a Stalinist. MEOW!

The fact is, <i>every</i> popular forum attracts extremists and trolls. The more people know about and use a forum, the more nutters who turn up, because they think they'll get an audience.

What matters is how trolling and extremism is dealt with.

We can eat the stupid. Efficient and tasty!
/joke - look it up if you don't get it.

An idea that may work is to rename forum sections with language that the stupid wouldn't understand, and thus they would be lost! Don't forget to rearange thier order, even a rat can memorize previous positions.

Or a voluntary solution that need not be official, but could possibly be effective, would be to ensure you name any new threads you write with titles that would leave the dumb dumbfounded, perhaps cryptic, or perhaps uncommun vocabulary. And to further safeguard your discussion, use advanced vocabulary throughout.

This wouldn't be completely fair though, as some who aren't good with language may be very insightful and civil. And some who could decipher it, would still be trolls, or immature. But it's better than nothing. Maybe someone here has a better solution?

1 month ago it was still "extrem", but now I think that it's better : the most extremists have been banned and those who are still writing in these forums are more moderate. Of course they've got their opinion but in general, they are more civilised and more "open" to the others'opinions.
I've got no problem with WEP and it seems to be well moderated but maybe that personnal attacks should be warned. I mean that it's personal attacks that make a thread being a crap...
Anyway, we are on the good way to have interesting discussions! :cool:

I object to the "term" Troll, to me it is a nonsensical colloquialism that is nonsensical and over used and used as a batton to beat over the head another who holds differing opinions to the ones you hold, and furthermore dares to argue as such, defending his/her beliefs.

However that is not to say that there indeed are some extremely immature and offensive members present on this forum, but they should be allowed to stay to further embarass themselves.

However that is not to say that there indeed are some extremely immature and offensive members present on this forum, but they should be allowed to stay to further embarass themselves.


I object to the "term" Troll,

However it seems that in your case the term is wholly appropriate.

Furthermore I've even gone to the trouble of highlighting the words applicable to you. just to make easier for you to grasp.

Zero :

You're proving what I said... :rolleyes:

1) SG-N: Indeed he/she/it is.
2) Zero: it's Favours, you can't even insult me using proper English.
3)You must be into necrophilia, my Mother has been dead for over 20 years.

Wraith, what are you, a Canadian/British hermit? His spelling is fine. Conventionally, American English throws out the "u" in words like "honour,"" behaviour," and "favour".

I'm sorry, Wraith; I didn't realize that Zero had corrected you.

To compensate for this rashness on my part: Zero, you're also wrong.

As an extremist I must ask; Where do you expect us to go? Extremistforums.org?
Its not like we can voice our crazy opinions in public, give us this one little favour and let us stay.

PS: You are all diseases and I was put on this earth to find a cure. Kisses;)

It's all good for the most part.

People just need to learn to respect one another.
There doesn't seem to be any sense of 'community' here;
I don't know maybe because I haven't been here long enough to notice civility.

Originally posted by kajolishot
There doesn't seem to be any sense of 'community' here...
Nope; part of the pain of growing. The sense of community
dissappeared sometime in the last year to year and half.

:m: Peace.

Believe me. I've seen far worse than sciforums. I like this place a lot.

American English

Which came first, "American" English, or "British" English?


American English throws out the "u" in words like "honour,"" behaviour," and "favour".

No! really?! You don't say! Thank you for enlightening me.


:rolleyes:

Wraith; I didn't realize that Zero had corrected you.

How can he correct me when I'm the one using proper English?

In amongst the torrent of insults and banal comments spewed by Zero, this is what you pick up on?

*sigh*

Should I even bother to reply?

I don't really care about the differences between British English and American English.

And of all the intelligent things Wraith could be saying, he decides to ignore them all and talk about my "improper English". Right, uh huh. He's basically claiming that all Americans are using "wrong" English.

Whee!! Everyone copy British English now! And their funky accent, too!:rolleyes:

There is no right and wrong in language - only convention. There are two dominant standard varieties of English - the British version and the American version. Neither can claim to be more correct than the other, since both have millions of people who use them. To say that one is correct and the other wrong is equivalent to saying that English is right and Mandarin is wrong (or vice versa).

Yea its rough out here in cyberworld but I do think there is some sense of community. How many times has a poster fallen into a personal attack on another poster only to show themself an asshole? Usually posters are in a position to defend themselves and those who prefer to stick to discussion simply ignore them, or when it has gone too far there are always others to take sides and jump towards defence. Let all of us be who we are, being constantly nasty only serves to alienate one from a community anyway...and who enjoys being beaten down or alienated.

http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/servlet/com.featureserv.util.Download?file=20030726cshln-a-p.jpg&code=cshln

Now me, I'm getting annoyed at how much I have to use my Ignore List in WE&P. As most of you know already...

EI.Sparks:
How many members do you currently have on Ignore?

I voted Yes................

Originally posted by Wraith
EI.Sparks:
How many members do you currently have on Ignore?


more than you have posts ...... ;)

i think he can´t sleep well everyday without adding someone and tell it the world !

A little over 20 wraith. And relax there nikon, I managed to go a whole day without having to add another poster to the list...

and ? how does it feel ?
oh ,better i stop talking to you before you have to put somebody again on this ignore-list :p

It eased some of the mental stress that reading posts from people like Jerrek was causing me. I can heartily recommend it.

sparky is a moron. what about the respondents to the posts of the folks on his ignore list? can a thread even make sense? personally i think the fool still reads em. notice how the fucker parades the list like some frikkin badge of honor! dolt!! mental stress my ass. if there ever was a guy so ill prepared for life, its gotta be ole sparky

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
As most of you know already...

wow sure, we all notice and keep track of your shenanigans, you megalomaniacal fool

spookz what are you trying to do?

Trying to prove the truthfulness of the thread?

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
A little over 20 wraith. And relax there nikon, I managed to go a whole day without having to add another poster to the list...

Care to give us the complete list? Or would that not be the done thing?

Care to give us the complete list? Or would that not be the done thing?
Bothers me none. Three or four of the names though, were just taken at random from the pseudoscience forum because the "edit ignore list" box doesn't seem to work for me - to get someone off ignore, I seem to need to fill the full list including the two blank spaces and overwrite the someone's name with valid member names, or the submit button just spits back an error message saying that " " is a moderator and cannot be ignored...
But the rest of the list are there for a good reason - a total lack of ability to have a civil conversation, an inability to refrain from blatent trolling, or a distinct and persistant allergy to logical argument both in themselves and from others.

http://www.cs.tcd.ie/Mark.Dennehy/images/sciforums.ignore.jpg

You wannabe see why I am on GOD's ignore list?

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26192

nico,
The objective is to become less militant, not more. Maybe you can jerk off while watching Starship Troopers and think it's wonderful - the rest of us are somewhat less willing to kill people.

Welcome to my Ignore list. (Again).


After that Ad Hom, I should put the egotistical moron on my ignore list. But that is only for pussies who can't stand any form of criticism. If U read the thread I gave u, it says alot about Sparks dosen't it. I get ignored because I presented a topic. :rolleyes: I suggest we put sparks on our ignore, let's see how he likes it. And since he can't read this... LOSER!

the guy simply doesnt understand how stupid he is making himself look.:D

i dont think anyone in history of sciforums has gone this far in insulating his fragile ego

Originally posted by Ghassan Kanafani
As in addition the opposite should happen if you prove stupidity.

An example: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=400473#post400473

clearly showing inferior intelligence.

I think that the post that your reply here linked to was a good example of trolling. I agree with your perpective in that thread and disagree with Zero's, which seemed rather ignorant and ethnocentric, but I also have to point out that your reply in that post is what a "troll" wants. OMG you are so pathetic Zero , I recommend suicide no hope for you whatsoever the sooner you get it over with the better.

I moderate a forum at another site which also runs vBulletin and I have to say that, at that site, I would have edited/deleted the posts with insults as they are against the rules there. At the very least I would have issued a warning to all parties.

I think that active moderation works well in most cases to keep things civil, but you will always have the trolls. Sometimes, unfortunately, they're what actually keeps things alive... It gets very boring when a bunch of people all sit around and discuss how they all agree about things. Trolling, however, is extreme and deserves occasional warnings by moderators when obvious.

Just my $.02

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Sparks Special Delivery : how amazingly facinating that accounts who are no longer in use for months have recently been added to the ever-amazing Sparks-ignore list .
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Fedex anyone ?

Skinwalker

I think that the post that your reply here linked to was a good example of trolling.

Im really not sure I know what trolling is . Ive seen some characterization lists , but I fel they were rather sad .

As for my link to Zero's post , it was meant to point out unacceptebly low intelligence .

This was because his post dealt with :

* compares that are not logical
* conclusions drawn from those compares that are not logical .
* centricism

but I also have to point out that your reply in that post is what a "troll" wants.

If such troll wants to be ridiculed and proven infererior in intelligence , that is fine with me and Im happy Ive been able to help him out .

I moderate a forum at another site which also runs vBulletin and I have to say that, at that site, I would have edited/deleted the posts with insults as they are against the rules there.

* If you would manage to provide moderation that did not allow insults , I would not be making them as my insults are never engaging .

* What do you consider an insult ? Calling a person names ? Ridiculing his value as a living creature ? I would rather consider the entire post of Zero an insult . Would you delete his entire post ? Then Im sure you wouldnt have seen that sentence you have quoted from me .

I think that active moderation works well in most cases to keep things civil

I agree . When I first came to these boards I have been very anti-fascism , however my position has changed due to the fact that I have discovered smileys to be a perfect replacement for certain peoples thoughts . There should be right for recognition (no banning) , but there should no way , in no way should there be freedom of speach as it is here .

That does not deal with namecalling , but with pure and simple ignorance . It is a wise thing to shut up when you dont know .
And when knowledge is made to awareness , its wise to recognize it and not stay in denial because of your being right or wrong .

Sparks has inspired me . I think there ought to be also a chance for reality denial , as there is for reality repression on this forum .

As far as "trolling," the definition as I've always understood it is similar to deep sea fishing where one uses bait to "troll" for the big fish. This is what "trolls" do on the internet... they "bait" those that will respond with semi-harsh to harsh words so they can engage in a flame war.

As to insults, the rules at the other site (not this one) simply state "insults and name-calling" is not permitted... What's insulting to one person is often not to another, but the rule of thumb among moderators there is to head off flame wars by addressing direct insults and ad hominem attacks.

I'm not faulting your comment here, I was simply pointing out that there are more active moderation styles in other forums at other sites that work. Granted, the other site is one that is supposed to be considered family oriented (LucasForums), and the average age/education level there is probably lower on both counts than here. Profanity seems to be tolerated here, which is fine by me.

I think Sparks is the type who puts everyone who doesn't suck up to his overlarge ego on his "list", and then clicks "Read Post" every time because he lacks the mental capacity to avoid doing so. Idiot.

I use my ignore list with a little tiny bit more control then EI_Sparks: I only put people on there that I think will get banned, so far I have been right 3 out of 3 times (Green_world, Abdullathebomber and Proud_Syrian)! Oh I'm good so let this be a indicator to all of my soothsaying powers :rolleyes: if I put you on my ignore list I predict you will be out of here, and I haven’t been wrong so far!

Originally posted by goofyfish
Nope; part of the pain of growing. The sense of community
dissappeared sometime in the last year to year and half.

:m: Peace.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I feel a sense of community with my fellow SciForums members (as much community as can be felt with people you never have and likely will never meet, but with whom you interact on a fairly regular basis). I try to treat other members with respect, even when their conduct does not warrant said respect. I also try to maintain a balance between debate threads (like political crap) and discussion threads (like your favorite movie or video game) since it allows me to interact with people on a level other than fighting.

Originally posted by Wraith
Which came first, "American" English, or "British" English?

The Model T came before the Mustang, but that doesn't make the Mustang any less a car.

A lot of you guys are very clever, and know a thing or two about a lot of things. Some of us are gifted amateurs and some of us illiterate idiots. Thankfully the latter is in the lower percentages. I get baffled by science in here, annoyed by religious quotes from a book I have no time for, and dismayed by some of the things said in here BUT I am proud to be a member. We are a community and a true community is made up of all these elements.

The language we use most commonly is "english" be it american english or british english; the vast majority being american english. I suppose this one is becoming the language of the internet, or already has. I am guilty of thinking MY WAY is the proper way to spell something, thats the way I was brought up, as are my american friends to their way of thinking.

We have to find common ground, and that is midway between us, in the centre (center) of the pond. I will go with that train of thought. However, there are some people in here who think that sms speak (mobile phone script) is normal. That is not, I cannot for the life of me be bothered to interpret it and won't. There are others who are illiterate, for whatever reason. They need to work on that methinks.

I do not hold myself up as an icon of the written word, far from it, but please - lets try and make your posts intelligible eh? ;)

Anyway, I am man enough to apologise - so lets move on ;)

Ignore lists are for wusses! I just wade through all the silly stuff peopel have posted, and get to have a carack at them when they do it again. (or at least thats my biased viewpoint. :D )

As for American and UK english, they were fairly similar a coupel hundred years ago, but both have diverged, its no longer a matter of correctness, hence they are recognised more as dialects. Spelling differences have accumulated in part because the USA uses many older spellings, I think color/ colour is one of them.