I'm in Australia, and I heard about the shooting at about 4:00pm, and I was really shocked. I check the news every two or three hours, and it was just listed there with all the other headlines about how one of our politician's illigitimate children isn't his. What's the coverage like elsewhere?

Also, reflections?

I hate hearing about things like this, it just makes me think about how screwed up some people must be, and how screwed up the world is.

Whats new about it ?

well it they wloud get shut down if they threw a party on public TV, its jsut their way of saying HA-HA with no legal difficulties. let the yanks burn

I'm in Australia, and I heard about the shooting at about 4:00pm, and I was really shocked. I check the news every two or three hours, and it was just listed there with all the other headlines about how one of our politician's illigitimate children isn't his. What's the coverage like elsewhere?

Also, reflections?

I hate hearing about things like this, it just makes me think about how screwed up some people must be, and how screwed up the world is.

Here is the minneapolis papers info. You may have to use www.bugmenot.com for a password.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5305359.html

We never seam to get our house in order while we preach freedom, democracy, values,.. Oops.. I forgot!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread128654/pg1

Look how well the metal detector worked...

The kid just ripped his way through it.

Shame.

“And we believe that freedom—the freedom we prize—is not for us alone, it is the right and the capacity of all mankind.” GW Bush

"Freedom? We don't need your Fuckin' freedom" John Lydon (I think)

Sorry for you all...
Dee Cee

I wonder if he was alive now, what it is that he would say.

The most striking was that news channels such as CNN, FOX were all concentrated t Shiavo case and for them the shooting was something ordinary. They sucked big time.

The most striking was that news channels such as CNN, FOX were all concentrated t Shiavo case and for them the shooting was something ordinary. They sucked big time.

they shouldn't concentrate on either. They should be fishing out stories that make us happy isntead of making us all cynics.

If you want to be happy watch Daily Show with Stewart instead.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread128654/pg1

some of the posters seem pretty freaked out there dont they, as i would too, itf one of the posters at these forums was in the news doing what that kid had done

in our paper also, we get the picture that he wore all black, and was a neo-nazi. when i realized he was Native American, and seeing his face, it is incongruous to me he'd hold views like that. After all it was his people who suffered genocide by the ones who invaded their lands.
One of the posters at that site seems to conradict what the media is claiming about
hjim being a nazi sympathizer......?

one thing that struck me was how its said he word a 'tranchcoat' and was picked on. This is what i remember from the kids who did the Columbine school massacre. They too apparently wore trenchcoats--even when it was hot--and were picked on.
what is it with trenchcoats? why do some of these kids wear them. anyone let me know? whats it all about? do the 'cradle of filth' wear them etc. what is the message being said wearing them?

Obviously what the lad had gone through is beyond comprehension, his dad comtting suicide and his mum brain injured. REALy heavey. but even so doesn't justify what he did

Maybe the ones he went looking for to shoot had been the ones who bullied him regardless of his personal problems, which further pushed him over the edge

“I guess I’ve always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations,” Weise wrote on the website.

When you think about it, this makes sense, since the Native Indians took on the American settlers, and put up a hell of a good fight.

[QUOTE=-Bob-]Look how well the metal detector worked...

Actualy you seemed to miss the point that this student SHOT the security guard that tried to stop him from entering the school to begin with.

What a fucking retard that kid is.....

I don't think he was a retard - I think modern society is the retard, and he saw more than most allow themselves to.

The "neo-Nazi" site that he was posting on issued an interesting statement:

http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/weise

in our paper also, we get the picture that he wore all black, and was a neo-nazi. when i realized he was Native American, and seeing his face, it is incongruous to me he'd hold views like that. After all it was his people who suffered genocide by the ones who invaded their lands.
One of the posters at that site seems to conradict what the media is claiming about
hjim being a nazi sympathizer......?


See the "neo-Nazi" site he was posting to - they welcome all races.

I don't think he was a retard - I think modern society is the retard, and he saw more than most allow themselves to.

The "neo-Nazi" site that he was posting on issued an interesting statement:

http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/weise

i feel you are NOt jokin...right?

oh......look. whereEVEr you see a Swashtika beware!!.....they represent evil. go look at some old footage of the nazi camps. go read some of the literature of what HAPPENEd in them --if you got a strong stomach. go read what happened in the nazi ghettos. yet you want us to real the public statement and take seriously 'all 'races' welcome'?

i am mixed race. what sould i do according to their vile decrepid ignorant philosophy, go hang myself. hide and think of myself as failure,? what?

The idea of such as those preachin to us what the world should be LIKE!

no wonder that kid lost it if he'd got himself hooked up with that lot. CHILLING!

hope you see sense. let's talk if you wanna

at first I wondered why an idian of all people would want to symphatize with nazis, but maybe he just felt like the indians are in the same position as palestines etc...

Actualy you seemed to miss the point that this student SHOT the security guard that tried to stop him from entering the school to begin with.

Did I miss that point? Really?

Consider that for a moment.

I wrote... "look how well it worked..."

Then followed with... "the kid just ripped through it..."

some of the posters seem pretty freaked out there dont they, as i would too, itf one of the posters at these forums was in the news doing what that kid had done

in our paper also, we get the picture that he wore all black, and was a neo-nazi. when i realized he was Native American, and seeing his face, it is incongruous to me he'd hold views like that. After all it was his people who suffered genocide by the ones who invaded their lands.
One of the posters at that site seems to conradict what the media is claiming about
hjim being a nazi sympathizer......?

one thing that struck me was how its said he word a 'tranchcoat' and was picked on. This is what i remember from the kids who did the Columbine school massacre. They too apparently wore trenchcoats--even when it was hot--and were picked on.
what is it with trenchcoats? why do some of these kids wear them. anyone let me know? whats it all about? do the 'cradle of filth' wear them etc. what is the message being said wearing them?

Obviously what the lad had gone through is beyond comprehension, his dad comtting suicide and his mum brain injured. REALy heavey. but even so doesn't justify what he did

Maybe the ones he went looking for to shoot had been the ones who bullied him regardless of his personal problems, which further pushed him over the edge


About the point they make about trench coats being linked to killing...

It's bollocks.

I wear a trenchcoat over my uniform to school(when it's cold) rather than a parker or pullover because I like the way it looks. It's true, it does give you a sort "I'm doing something special" feeling and for me, I wear it with a trilby, so it's got a massive 1930's spy thing happening (Blunt, Burgess, Philby, Maclean forever). But I hardly think it's linked to killing.

Now they'll probably ban trench coats in schools ( along with colours that signal gang affilitation). And of course, making everyone dress the same will stop all the problems, right?

About his neo-nazi views, I think many troubled, angry young people can get sucked in to some of that, and it's fantastically powerful rebellion - there's nothing darker, really.

Even if he didn't have nazi interests, and even if he hadn't worn a trenchcoat, this still would have happened, and i fail to see why the american media has decided to make such a big fuss over it. Maybe they need something to blame because someone in the perefct America felt so bad and was so messed up he did this. Gunning people down doesn't fit in with apple pie, disney, white picket fences etc. So they find something else to blame. "Look, this isn't part of OUR culture! This happened because he didn't dress like everyone else and was anzi! nothing to do with the US of A"

I'd be interested to hear a (decent) psychologist's viwes on the motivation for the issue. But i suppose thats too much to ask - it wouldn't sell.

I was also fond of the long black and grey coats in high school. Not trenchcoats, but close enough. And in the heyday of Columbine.

It was fun to intimidate people. I have those shifty eyes, you know. My nickname in high school was 'killer', even though I've never threatened to kill anyone, and I'm a physical pacifist.

Anyhow, the kid was obviously messed up. Whether or not he had an 'excuse' to do what he did or his actions were 'symptomatic' is a matter of perception. The kid obviously had a fucked up life, and its quite probable that if he'd had a proper upbringing, he probably wouldn't have falled prey to demons. Rich, spoiled, happy children don't shoot up schools.

Essentially, Columbine-style killings are a kind of suicide. Once you're ready to take you're own life, its not much of a stretch to take others down with you.

Saying that the kid was brainwashed by NAZI ideology is off the mark. It's probably just the case that he was lonely and needed something to believe in. It's sort of like clothing... black trenchcoats and the like can function as a sort of blanket with which you immerse yourself in, sheltered in a way in some identity from the outer world. It's little more than surface detail, concealing a frightened and confused person on the inside.

at first I wondered why an idian of all people would want to symphatize with nazis, but maybe he just felt like the indians are in the same position as palestines etc...

There's an easy way to find out: read what he wrote.

Won't take more than a couple minutes, yet most people are incapable of doing this.

he hated evrything it appears. can you imagine what fkin hAPPened to him....? his dad killing himself. shi that is bad enough. but his mum then gets brain damaged. so he has noone. we dont know how
he got on with his Grandpa, but it seems he had a young woman who he must have been occupied with.
the lad is being bullied too, and gets caught up in some weired nihlistic nazi cult that idealistically blames all worlds trubles on 'racial mixing'....heavy heavy shit

BUT, all my compassion for him goes out of the window after what he'd DONE! which is cause as much misery as he was feeling for many others, and taking lives
i cant suddenly feel sorry for him. what about those snuffed out and what their families must be going through. imagine losing someone like that...on some sick whim

i feel sick about the whole sorry situation. it shows up hw we are alienated from each other. so people with problems, especially mind fukingly awful ones like he had have no intelligent support. no means of expressing such body numbing pain

these incidents, including all confilcts shows up where we at

Did you see the flash video the kid did like a year before the shooting? *cringe*

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0323051weise1.html

They all deserved it. He said that he was gonna do it, that was last year, no one listened. Dumb motherfuckers in my book

Minnesota School Shooter Wore Bullet-Proof Vest
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=7976616&src=rss/topNews
That lays to rest the claim that he wanted to die.

They all deserved it. He said that he was gonna do it, that was last year, no one listened. Dumb motherfuckers in my book

what would YOU have done if you'd listened?

That lays to rest the claim that he wanted to die.

It only lays to rest the claim that he wanted to die at someone else's hands. He wanted to die at his OWN hand, as is evidenced by his suicide.

Perhaps suicide was simply prefered to bein locked up in one place or another until you are 80 years old or shanked.

As I said before, these cases should be treated the same as suicide. There is no difference.

Didn't you watch the video? It was all in the plan.

I watched the video, and read his msn profile.

My god, that boy was messed up.

I can't believe there were no warning bells.

I can't help thinking some kind of intervention could have helped.

I'm quite interested in the background to all this (I'm looking to a career in forensic psychology), are there any other web things he did before he died?

I fully admit I have a morbid fascination with all this.

I watched the video, and read his msn profile.

My god, that boy was messed up.

I can't believe there were no warning bells.

I can't help thinking some kind of intervention could have helped.

I'm quite interested in the background to all this (I'm looking to a career in forensic psychology), are there any other web things he did before he died?

I fully admit I have a morbid fascination with all this.

Maybe the most comprehensive article about the history of this kid so far:

http://www.startribune.com/stories/156/5312255.html

As you will see, this kid had interventions going on.
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hah! you go there before me. was just about to put that address in here

it is VERy significant about the prozac. dont know if all you are familiar with the controversy surrounding its use, especially with young people, and how it can affect suicidal and violent tendencies.
as that article shows, that lad had enormous problems, yet the only answer Mcdonald culture knows is the 'fast-fix-pills'!....its even suked in communities of American Native peoples who--time past--might have had much more deeper ways to approach deeper problems

The kid was a Nazi because he realized Native American culture/race is disappearing, and thus he wants a racial ideology to defend it!

People overlook the obvious... out of fear. You shouldn't be voting.

hah! you go there before me. was just about to put that address in here

They have just announced there has been a juvenile taken into custody in connection with the shooting. http://www.startribune.com/stories/156/5316857.html

Here they are saying who the kid is:
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=77317
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As I said before, these cases should be treated the same as suicide. There is no difference.

Didn't you watch the video? It was all in the plan.

The difference is in the magnitude of the damage imparted by the murder spree which preceded the suicide. It's substantial don't you think?

hah! you go there before me. was just about to put that address in here

it is VERy significant about the prozac. dont know if all you are familiar with the controversy surrounding its use, especially with young people, and how it can affect suicidal and violent tendencies.
as that article shows, that lad had enormous problems, yet the only answer Mcdonald culture knows is the 'fast-fix-pills'!....its even suked in communities of American Native peoples who--time past--might have had much more deeper ways to approach deeper problems

I would disagree with you on the "deeper ways to approach".

quote from star tribune: "For much of its history, the reservation has strongly discouraged outsiders. Red Lake is the only "closed reservation" in Minnesota. It once required outsiders to obtain a passport to enter -- or even just to drive through -- the 649,000 acres that wrap around Lower and Upper Red lakes."

Above quote from this article in the sunday Star Tribune. http://www.startribune.com/stories/156/5313968.html

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The kid was a Nazi because he realized Native American culture/race is disappearing, and thus he wants a racial ideology to defend it!

People overlook the obvious... out of fear. You shouldn't be voting.

So why did he kill mostly other indians? Only one non-indian was killed that I am aware of.

He saw them as traitors.

Wouldn't you?

7 billion extra humans... ten is a start.

Now that the hubbub has died down, does anyone recall any major news outlet trying to explore the kid's perspective WITHOUT writing him off as insane?

...they dont do truth. to really look into it would mean facing up to all the crap passed off as 'normalcy'.

Hmm. Blame the oppressive environment he was so brutally forced into. Nature vs Nurture, ya know. And, neither leads to school shootings. HA! No more sarcasm from me(HA!).

Why does everyone want to psychologize these kids? Maybe they are simply crazy. Maybe they were simply being idiots. Maybe they thought they had a cause. Maybe their parents were abusive. The list goes on and on and on and on. The only excuse I would give a child like that would be if he were truly crazy. Anything else and I don't care. Abusive parents? Suck it up, call someone, tell someone, DON'T SHOOT THEM. A cause? Piss off. Causes are nice, until you shoot people for them. Being an idiot? As soon as you find them, shoot them back(or, if you really want to, use your money to testify against him in court. Hmm, money for lawyer, or money for a shell to put in a gun you most likely already own. If you don't, get a cheap one that would cost less than a lawyer and shoot him several times.-Okay, don't do this, but it would go much, much faster). There is a simple solution for everything that arises if the child is not crazy. If he his, send him to one of those hospitals with cushions on everything and white walls everywhere.

what the sweeet fuck are you going on aBOUT?

no idea. I saw something about school shootings, so I looked about three posts backed and started typing. How I would treat(or want the law to treat) one of these kids that goes around shooting up a bunch of people. I guess its sorta hard if he goes kills himself afterwards, but I'll find a way...

I view him and al-Qaeda as no different from the American Revolutionaries: ideological dissidents waging war on what occupies their society. The proof is that said society cannot take these people seriously, because it is IN DENIAL.

I was listening to NPR's take on the shooting. They wanted to blame the intranet. I think NPR's partly justified in that, though. I mean, not NPR cause they were only reporting, but the guy that was talking wanted to blame the neo-nazi sites and stuff.

Of course they do. Nazis are "evil." Compliance is "good."