Save America ? There's nothing left to save !

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Brian Foley, May 25, 2008.

  1. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    The Patriot Act has turned America into North Korea .
    But the American SHEEPLE will defend this loss of liberty as necessary .
     
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  3. tim840 Registered Senior Member

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    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I didn't hear about this. Kinda dumb (and unconstitutional?) Whatever I'm not doing anything illegal so I don't have to worry.
     
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  5. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    The US constitution is a toothless fraud that must be discarded for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    Its time for another Revolution .
    First they came for the Jews
    and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for the communists
    and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists
    and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me -
    and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.


    Pastor Martin Niemöller
     
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  7. tim840 Registered Senior Member

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    You're creepy. No offense.
     
  8. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    We live in creepy times , just be prepared for it to get worse .
    None taken
     
  9. Bradley364 DIG HARD! Registered Senior Member

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    I really don't know what to day to this...yeah, the government can be a bit fucked up at times, but I feel this coming election will change things for the better, till then the best thing to do is to try and educate the masses. ((Sheeple as you put them)) I smell generalization!

    As far as your comments on the US Constitution, its a bit silly.
     
  10. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    "A bit" ! This is over the top arresting people without warrants nor reason nor charging them .
    If voting in an election could change anything in society , elections would be illegal . Just be prepared for the new Prez to carry on the exact same policy as Bush , as he himself carried on Clintons policy before him ..
    Accurate , 5 years into this war on terror the economy in ruins , the US on the verge of attacking Iraq and the SHEEPLE still give their Goverment support to commit this policy .
    Under the US constitution America had slavery and allowed segregation , communist witch hunts and now the Patriot Act , Id say the constitution is not w=orth the paper it is written on .
     
  11. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Al-Marri is a Qatari national, not a US citizen.

    I doubt the US constitution applies in this case.
     
  12. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    That may be the case however it is not the persons nationality I wrote about , it was this statement by Goverment lawyers that concerned me .
    "Government lawyers told federal judges that the president can send the military into any U.S. neighborhood, capture a citizen and hold him in prison without charge, indefinitely."
    Clearly the operative word there is citizen , then this law is applicable to all American citizens .
     
  13. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Yes thats very serious...but this is a statement from Government lawyers arguing a case in court, not the court's verdict.

    Let us know how it turns out.
     
  14. draqon Banned Banned

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    American sanguinity is well reflected in your diapason of views, Brian.
     
  15. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Court cases are easily manipulated by experienced lawyers , besides if this issue of citizenship becomes an obstacle under the Patriot Acts Section 501 citizenship can be simply stripped from the individual . .
    What is happening today dragon is but a precursor of a very unsafe and turbulent near future in America .
     
  16. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    I think this article deserves quotation:

    http://writ.corporate.findlaw.com/mariner/20030303.html

    "Yet with the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, informally known as "Patriot II," this basic rule is under attack.

    The draft legislation, the Justice Department's proposed sequel to the 2001 USA Patriot Act, was recently made public after being leaked to the Center for Public Integrity.

    Among Patriot II's most worrying provisions are those affecting citizenship. Section 501 of the bill, deceptively titled "Expatriation of Terrorists," would provide for the presumptive denationalization of American citizens who support the activities of any organization that the executive branch has deemed "terrorist."

    While it is already illegal to provide material support to such groups, even for their lawful activities, such support is considered grounds only for criminal prosecution, not for the loss of citizenship."
     
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  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The next election will show if the people of America want to save their country or sink it.
     
  19. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily. Given the lack of substantial change in American foreign policy, things should be back to normal within 2 years of the next presidents term.
     
  20. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It is already sunk!! We have a lying President that won't stop an unjust war right now so America has already capitulated to the "dark side". No matter who is elected they will just continue to screw taxpayers into oblivion.

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  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its never too late

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  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Wanna bet. I don't see anyone of the candidates that isn't already in the big businesses or the military's pockets.
     
  23. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Rave on, Foley - it hasn't affected me, my family or anyone I know one single bit!!!:bugeye:
     

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