Okay - so we went after Iraq because of their (nonexistent) weapons of mass destruction and their (nonexistent) ties to Al-Qaeda and their (nonexistent) role in 9-11 and their overall (nonexsitent) threat to U.S. security.

By that logic, Saudi's affirmed desire for nuclear weapons (http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1044402,00.html), their ties to Al-Qaeda and support for 9-11 (http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303A.shtml) and continuing & increasing threat to U.S. security (http://travel.state.gov/saudi_warning.html) should warrant an American Jihad with a thousand times greater justifaction than the one against Iraq.

Since all of the evidence was in on Saudi's complicity in Sept. 11th, and since world sympathy in the aftermath was so overwhelmingly with the U.S., and since mererly releasing said evidence would have been enough to get the rubber-stamp support of the U.N.:

It thus becomes clear that the Bush Administration's failure to go after the house of Saud makes Bush de facto complicit in the atrocity that was 9-11.

If my friend kills my child, and I hide the evidence of his act, then I am guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and for all practical purposes the murder itself.

If the American people do not demand an accounting of what has occurred over the last two years, then they deserve to reap the whirlwind. They will have no more of my sympathy.

The Saud sect has been the best friend of Amerika for a while now , nothing happened that could jeopardize the love shared between the 2 .

Clearly the Saud has no interest in bombing the USA , and it has been very unfortunate for them how the misnomer of "fundamentalist" or "extremist" regarding Islam has been notived by Amerikan public in relation to the "motives" of those who were involved in 9-11 .

Now if we would agree to disregard the complex situation dealing with all those who were involved , but fixate on the supposed hijackers who came from Saudi mostly , we could identify them as the group who has strong relations with the religious affiliation of Saudi as a kingdom but little with the Saud tyhemselves . To be more exact , they are the greatest enemies the Saud has ever known , the reason for the religious identity the Saud carries other than totalitarian easyness , has little to do with ideology but more with a status within the Arab world especially regarding those who practice religion in the ways of the supposed hijackers .

Now because this unfortunent and rather irrelevant issue has come forward , pressure has been put on Saudi to cut itself loose from this religious identity they use to survive their power .

Clearly letting go will bring the Saud down , obviously that is not a policy Amerika wishes to carry out with their best friends . So on a political/media level there might be a shift toward some harsh talk , but everybody is well aware that the relationship the Saud has regarding the shared identity with the supposed hijackers is of essential of Saud survival thus Amerikan benefit .

The US would never attack S.A in even in my wildest imaginations. I mean S.A is not some backward state like Iraq was in terms of her military. She does have punch, and in lieu of the recent annoucment of S.A;s desire for a nuke would I also believe she would buy from Pakistan, and place on top of her CSS-2's to reach anywhere in the ME the risks are too great. S.A is intergral to the world economy, 261 billion barrels of oil IMO are more powerful then the chicken hawks in Washington D.C. The Saud's have enourmous power within the US economic and political system. I mean you can't pay the family to leave they have enough money as it is. Also US defence companies who have a lot of leverage over the US government would also object to any actions against S.A who is by far one of their biggest customers. But also the psychological effects to the Muslim world would be so great that 9.11 would look like a childs game. I mean OBL was angry enough to actually attack the US b.c the US had planes based in S.A, could u imagine what it would mean if you have entire US divisions running across the holy land? Iraq would look like Disney compared to S.A. So no I do not see the Saudi's being invaded.

Thanks to the Busheviks, no matter what the US does vis-a-vis the Royal Saudi Mafia in the near future... we're fucked.

Osama's successor will be to the lower Arabian Peninsula what Khomeini was to Iran, and what Iran-aligned shiism will soon be to several Gulf States, including Shia Iraq and the Eastern Province.

"They say", they want a Revolution.

Well, u know...

9/11 wasn't executed by Al-Qaeda, nor anybody from the Middle East.

Read http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html

The Sauds Ruling class (funny how left and right winger agree how rotten they are) fear increasing sjite influence on the peninsula powered by iranian nukes?

The Iranian influence is augmented by Shiism, and would be as potent with or without nukes. Nukes mostly serve to keep the US acting more in accordance with international law, and the best part is, you don't have to actually have them to scare the shit out of Americans.

We would go into Saudi Arabia if it was overthrown due to an internal revolt. The Neocons would like for us to go into Saudi Arabia...but also Iran, Syria and Egypt. If they can organize a rebellion, it would be a neocon dream come true. The more US presence in the Middle East, the safer Israelis feel.

Fortunately, the neocons are losing credibility faster than "shock and awe" tomahawk missile. Iraq has been a disaster for the Neocons as well as the US. Even a few neurons are beginning to fire off in Bush's mind as he wonders if the neocons really know what they are talking about.

As Jagger touched on is internal revolt. Since I don't see any nation invading S.A the only way to get the Saud's out of power is by a revolution. The question is what type of revoultion? Now don't think it's impossible, it happened in the Shah's Iran with the horrendous Savak secret police. S.A sits on top of huge potential here we are talking about a country that could cut world oil production by 8 million barrels a day. The economic conaequences of such a action are far reaching. Need I say a economic depression? The problem is whether or not the Saud's are going to be kicked out of power. And who is going to replace, the most likely candidate is Islamic revolutionists. Which would present tremendous political ramifications worldwide. Especially the US.

From a neocon viewpoint of machpolitik, Saudi Arabia as allies selling us oil at reasonable prices isn't enough as long as they are against Israel. They want a pro-Israeli government. Whether rebellion or whatever, they want the current SA government out. The key to understanding the Likud neocons is to determine what is in the best interests of Israel. If it happens to coincide with the best interests of the US that is a secondary benefit. But Israel takes top precedence. World recessions or the US bleeding in Iraq is a minor price to pay if it makes Israel safer.

But again, I think the neocons are on their way out of favor with congress and ultimately, maybe even with Bush. But guaranteed if Bush loses the elections next year. Which I believe he will lose.

"The Riyal Question" does not have any answer Uncool Sam is going to be happy with. Iran will not be not the last revolution in the gulf.

Saudi will spin apart, very likely in time to give the next U.S. administration a very nasty test.

the US would not attack SA under any circumstance.
it would be seen as "the great satan attacking islam's birth place"....and they'd put countless similar spins to it.

they NEED SA to curb terrorism for them.

if it did come to war, US would easily invade and destroy SA's military in a few weeks. but the occupation period will be worse than Vietnam.

Did the US invade Iran? Nor will they wish to, nor have the political nor logistical capability to, when the House of Saud inevitably caves in.

The Test will be a very serious economic one: PetroEuros devaluing the Dollar, and no reliable friends between Ankara, Cairo, and Karachi.

Meanwhile in the consolidating European Union, smart people and money are taking the first steps in avoiding going down with the Americans.

And there is contentment in Beijing.