Satmar Jews: The Very Existence Of The State of Israel is sinful

The Satmar Hasidim, an orthodox Jewish group that believes the very existence of the state of Israel is sinful, recently showed they had a great deal of support within Israel. This event may be the most unusual news story of the year, and challenges Americans who assume that differences of opinion do not exist within foreign cultures.

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But they are still carrying on the patriarchal confusion!
They talk about a 'Messiah'? hence they literalize their own myth.
The patriarchal mystic idea of 'messiah'--which i lso dont agree with--is of an EXPERIENCE. 'messiah' means 'the annointed one' ie., haveing one's head, etc smeared with a psychedelic unguent. From there tey would interpret experience and dogamtaize it as gnosis with their 'Creator'--as in 'male' superior spirit'

There cannot be any half measures now. time to get to the roots of mythology

Ie., earth-centred understading of sacramental experience is deep sense of UNION with Nature and ones essential being.

The Satmar Hasidim, 1200 families, that beleave that the Messiah can't come with the state of Israel in existance, you use a ultra orthodox, far right wing sect of Judeism belief to say that Israel has comitted the sin of existing? every religeon has their far out sects that beleave in their own interpritation of reallity.

Their pure intentions have nothing to do with Arab Muslim evil Anti-zionism which is pure racism upon that tiny island that is different, i.e. not-arab-muslim.

you hit it directly on the head, buffalo.

broad sweeping terms such as "jewish", or "arab-muslim" cannot fully encompass everyone that falls into the niche being discussed. white, black, yellow, brown, whatever....there will always be wackos that go against the status quo.

No connection between their purity to racists Jihadists Islamists targeting of Jews because they are Jews, wether in Israel in Kenya (bombing) in Argentina (Iranian Hezullah bombing) or in France (Halimi) or in Afghanistan (Pearl).

The words "israel" & "zionism" by Islamofascists is a great excuse though, hey some naive people even buy that stuff, it didn't help liberal Daniel Pearl, Did it?
FYI!
Anti-Zionist-Satmar school in Montreal was attacked.... you guessed it, by Arab Muslims, a few months ago.

The Satmar are still Zionists, though. As soon as the messiah arrives, Israel is fair game, right?

...and the Temple Mount. Oy vey.

I daresay they would be even less likely to conceded any land to the Palestinians if they had their way, since they believe in following religious dictates no matter how irrational or arbitrary.

Dear Spidergoat

Zionists want to establish their Kingdom of God, Holy Land or Jerusalem on the material plane without achieving it first spiritually, the true Torah Jews warned these sadly mislead Zionists from the begin... unfortunetly its obvious that trying to establish a "Kingdom of God" by slaughter and butchery will fail.

The reason for failure: lack of spiritual virtues, Love, Wisdom and Truth, and therefore not possessing the spiritual Jerusalem, which is highly recommended, for having a physical Kingdom of God, as told by the Torah Jews.

The result will be, tremendous suffering for the "jewish people" in Israel, as we see it daily in the news... because of the repercussions caused by the law of cause and effect...

The Rothschild Banksters know exactly why they dont live in Israel, the very ideologues and financiers of Zionism and therefore the state of Israel are not willing to suffer, they prefer to live far away from Israel, in Switzerland, Europe, the U.S...

I wish them all Love, Wisdom and Truth of Eternity...

well said, solve.

Solve, that's just some bullshit people made up after they lost their homeland. Religion is whatever people say it is. No one talked about a "spiritual Jerusalem" while they were living in Jerusalem. No Jew is willing to let themselves be slaughtered on a massive scale (again) as a sacrifice to God, He helps those who help themselves.

Most nations of the Earth were established through conquering, I'm not saying it's moral, but it means Israel is no different from other nations.

The current troubles in Israel are between cultures and territory, I don't believe devine contracts enter into it one bit.

Originally posted by Spidergoat:
Most nations of the Earth were established through conquering, I'm not saying it's moral, but it means Israel is no different from other nations.


Wasn't Isreal established in its current form a bit less of a long time ago than most other nations of the earth, therefore making it different form other nations.

Nope, most of the old European colonies gained independence after WW II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonisation#From_World_War_II_to_the_present), and in Europe itself boundaries were shuffled.

The most devout Jews in Israel are also the ones most opposed to any comprimise with the Palestinians.