When I get the time I will also post a string on the NON-existant 'right of return'-
but for now a significant headline.



Sarkozy tells Olmert: Palestinian refugees will not return to Israel

By Aluf Benn
Ha'aretz
October 23, 2007

PARIS - Palestinian refugees should be resettled in a Palestinian state, not in Israel, French President Nicolas Sarkozy told Prime Minister Ehud Olmert yesterday.

"Each side should have its own nation-state," he said, according to Israeli officials who were present at the two leaders' meeting. "It is Not reasonable for the Palestinians to demand both an independent state and also the refugees' return to the state of Israel, which even today has a minority of one Million Arabs."

Sarkozy, who hosted Olmert at the Elysee Palace, expressed strong support for Israel, describing its establishment as "a miracle" and "the most significant event of the 20th century."

[......]
He said that he and Sarkozy did not discuss a military attack against Iran.

"There's a broad spectrum of measures between the extremes of capitulation and military action," he said, adding that he believes there is a possibility of intensified sanctions against Iran via both the UN Security Council and the European Union. Sarkozy supports expanded sanctions, and the two leaders discussed how to persuade Germany, Italy and Spain to go along.

Olmert believes that existing sanctions, which target Iran's economy and banking system, have already had an effect. "We need to prevent Iranian businessmen from doing business, until the class that controls the Iranian economy does something against the regime," he said in a conversation with French journalists after his meeting with Sarkozy.

[.......]
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/915888.html

When I get the time I will also post a string on the NON-existant 'right of return'-
but for now a significant headline.


hey Abu Afak

thank you for creating this thread

i reckon they should incorporate the entire area Sireal now and the wets bank and gaza and have one state solutions where everyone gets the vote

what do yiou reckon??

Cheers
zak

When I get the time I will also post a string on the NON-existant 'right of return'-
but for now a significant headline.

Bwahaahahahahaha:roflmao:

Didn't France sign the UN resolution on the rights of Aboriginals?

yea. it only deals with Aboriginals. unfortunately "Palestinians" aren't really Palestinian, aka the indiginous peeps.

you mean the Israelis. 90% European/Russian immigration from 1920-1950. Palestinians otoh, share genetics with the Lebanese and Syrians and Jews and show markers of all civilisations from the region, so are obviously indigenous.

yea. it only deals with Aboriginals. unfortunately "Palestinians" aren't really Palestinian, aka the indiginous peeps.

Palestinians are Palestinians. Or are they Chinese?


I spit on Sarkozy. The little puppet.


As for this:

Palestinian refugees should be resettled in a Palestinian state, not in Israel, French President Nicolas Sarkozy told Prime Minister Ehud Olmert yesterday.



He's correct. In Palestine, which is the entire Holy Land.
They should be settled in their own land of Palestine.

Never was, never has been a Nation Called Palestine, the first mention of a State of Palestine was when the U.N. passed Resolution 181, and the Arabs screwed that up royally.

Than you for pointing out that it is the Holy Land, the Jewish Holy Land, 5000 years of being the Jewish Holy Land.

"Jewish Holy Land"

:roflmao:

Inside Israel's secret prison
By Aviv Lavie
Detainees are blindfolded and kept in blackened cells, never told where they are, brutally interrogated and allowed no visitors of any kind. Dubbed 'the Israeli Guantanamo,' it's no wonder facility 1391 officially does not exist.

:roflmao:

And btw, conservative Jews oppose Zionism

There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.

No one has had to create any antagonism between our Torah and Zionism because such antagonism exists by virtue of the essence of Judaism itself, which can never tolerate the heresy of Zionism.

Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.


http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

"Jewish Holy Land"

And btw, conservative Jews oppose Zionism


http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

LOL.

Wrong as ALWAYS



Background on 'Jews Not Zionists'


Front Group for Neturei Karta

This is just a front group for Neturei Karta. It was documented as the site Neturei Karta members used for communicating with the public as far back as 2002.
The Columbia News Service (University of Columbia student paper) in an article "They're Jewish, but not Zionists" reported on the 8th of May 2002 that "The highly insular Neturie Karta prefer to speak to the news media through Levine. The members share their anti-Israel message with the public on a Web site -- jewsnotzionists.com.-- Co-sponsored by the Satmars, The ideology of both sects stems from a staunch belief that the banishment of the Jews from their ancestral homeland was part of a divine plan imposed by God."

The website also prominently links to the official Neturei Karta website. For more information see our section on Neturei Karta.

They're Jewish, but not Zionists
By Elizabeth Goldhirsh, 12 April 2002
Columbia News Service

The Satmar and Neturie Karta, both strict followers of Hasidic Judaism, are Jewish Fringe sects that don't support the state of Israel.
[...]
"There is a small fringe of Jews who don't recognize the State of Israel," said Rabbi Michael Paley, the head of religious affairs at the United Jewish Appeal organization in New York.
[....]
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/JewsNotZionists.htm

LOL.

Wrong as ALWAYS

We don't need no education...we'll just keep our thoughts controlled

In the early history of Zionism some religious Jews opposed ideas of nationalism (Jewish or otherwise) which they regarded as a secular ideology. Some Hassidic Jews in particular opposed any attempt to create a secular Jewish state, however in the 1920s, Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook articulated a fusion of Modern Orthodox Judaism and Zionism that came to be known as Religious Zionism. Over time extreme ultra-Orthodox opposition to Zionism has declined for a variety of reasons, including the need for Israeli government support and protection and popular support for Zionism among the laity.[citation needed] A few hassidic sects have remained steadfast in their anti-Zionism, notably the Satmar sect. The leader of the Satmar hasidic sect, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum's book, VaYoel Moshe, published in 1958, expounds one Orthodox position on Zionism, based on a literal form of midrash (biblical interpretation). Citing to Tractate Kesubos 111a of the Talmud Teitelbaum states that God and the Jewish people exchanged three oaths at the time of the Jews' exile from ancient Israel:

* That the Jewish people would not ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force;
* That the Jewish people would not rebel against the governments of countries in which they lived;
* That the Jewish people would not, by their sins, prolong the coming of the Jewish Messiah.

Before the Second World War, Agudat Israel, the political party of the strictly Orthodox, opposed Zionism. However, most of its European membership were murdered or persecuted by Communist regimes. Today it is a primarily Israeli party and since the seventies it has participated in most of Israel's coalition governments. Agudat Israel still oppose nationalism, but have found ways of accommodating the Israeli state.[citation needed]

The Belzer, and Gerer Hasidim, among others, claim that involvement in Israeli politics is necessary in order to offer a religious viewpoint in the Israeli Knesset. Some Haredi figures have become Zionist in practise. The Lubavitcher Rebbe in particular voiced his vehement opposition to land concessions, based on the Code of Jewish Law, and encouraged his followers living in Israel to serve in the Israeli Defense Forces.[6] All Hasidic Jewish opponents to Zionism, including Rabbi Teitelbaum and Rabbi Shapira, do approve of Jews living in the Land of Israel. Their opposition is not to Jews living in the Land of Israel, but to the ideology of Zionism. Indeed, there are many Hasidim and yeshivos of both Munkacz, Satmar and many other strongly anti-Zionist groups in Israel, particularly in Jerusalem. A point of view overlooked in this debate is that of the Sephardim. No significant Sephardi Rabbi had a theological problem with Zionism and many spiritual leaders supported it. The lack of religious opposition to Zionism from the non-Ashkenazi world has meant that some see religious anti-Zionism to be psychological and social rather than theological.

The opposition was also true in the liberal faction:

The many Jews, mainly in Europe, who supported socialist or communist political ideas, took the view that the defeat of anti-Semitism and the winning of civic equality for Jews required participation in the common struggle against capitalism and oppressive regimes, and that for Zionists to advocate emigration to Palestine was a means of perpetuating the segregation of the "ghetto" that they were fighting to overcome. (Some Jewish socialists rejected this view and became Socialist Zionists). The largest Jewish socialist organisation in Europe, the General Jewish Labor Union, known as the Bund, strongly opposed Zionism right up until the German invasion of Poland in 1939.

Zionists were a minority.

Even today, if the truth about Palestinian oppression were put before the Israelis, I wonder how many would want their children to grow up there and perpetuate the oppression.

You were talking today.
Now you're forced back to History.
There was more opposition among orthodox and some others THEN.

Alas- you were forced to change Time periods because you were WRONG NOW.

You were also H:):)dwinked, and it took me to tell you that your main Non-Neturei Karta opposition 'jewsnotzionists', the whole width of your larger 'Conservative group', WAS IN FACT also ...STILL ... a Neturei Karta Front site!

LOL

You were talking today.
Now you're forced back to History.
There was more opposition among orthodox and some others THEN.

Alas- you were forced to change Time periods because you were WRONG NOW.

You were also H:):)dwinked, and it took me to tell you that your main Non-Neturei Karta opposition 'jewsnotzionists', the whole width of your larger 'Conservative group', WAS IN FACT also ...STILL ... a Neturei Karta Front site!

LOL

Can't you read? The Satmar is a present day group
:confused:

The assimilation of conservative thought into nationalist identity today is what Jews have come to be after the formation of the state of Israel; there was no Jewry at the time of WWII. Even today, the conservative Jews do not claim to be Zionists but cite "necessity" as a reason for supporting Israel


And btw, conservative Jews oppose Zionism

They support the land of Israel as a Jewish Holy land, not a state with army and secret prisons

When I get the time I will also post a string on the NON-existant 'right of return'-
but for now a significant headline.

As for it being the most significant event...

I guess men landing on the moon was incidental.

As for it being the most significant event...

I guess men landing on the moon was incidental.

I agree with You Desi- that was the most exciting/monumental time/event I remember.
Perhaps, one can distinguish between the Scientific and the Social/anthroplogical/Historical.

Then again, it was more fleeting- and as a space buff myself, I have been very disappointed in just about everything since.
Too much Star Trek I guess. But having sent men to the moon 40 years ago, I thought we'd be much further along by Now.
The Hubble pictures a saving Grace.

Never was, never has been a Nation Called Palestine, the first mention of a State of Palestine was when the U.N. passed Resolution 181, and the Arabs screwed that up royally.

Than you for pointing out that it is the Holy Land, the Jewish Holy Land, 5000 years of being the Jewish Holy Land.

Oh yes, there was. The Land of Palestine.



Likewise, never was nor never has been prior to 1948 a nation of Israel. It was a land of Israel.



Don't be a smartass and bring this "state" shit in. The LAND of Palestine, the people of Palestine.


In the nature of being a land for the Palestinians, it is their nation.


YOU ARE FUCKING CHRISTIAN!

All I hear is "Jewish this" and "Jewish that". You are Christian. Jeez, if you love them so much then convert.




The Holy Land. Was Jewish. Became Christian. Became Muslim.

Oh yes, there was. The Land of Palestine.



Likewise, never was nor never has been prior to 1948 a nation of Israel. It was a land of Israel.



Don't be a smartass and bring this "state" shit in. The LAND of Palestine, the people of Palestine.


In the nature of being a land for the Palestinians, it is their nation.


YOU ARE FUCKING CHRISTIAN!

All I hear is "Jewish this" and "Jewish that". You are Christian. Jeez, if you love them so much then convert.




The Holy Land. Was Jewish. Became Christian. Became Muslim.

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Whoa Thanks Man!:):)