I've been lurking over here for a few weeks, and had no intention of posting until I came across this. It seems that the intelligence level is pretty high in here(for the most part), and I was interested in receiving some feedback on this topic.

Sorry for stretching the page, but can someone kindly tell me what the fuck this picture is:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/summary/gif/030114/seit_00304_fd_20030114_1919.gif

Unless my name is Rip Van Fucking Winkle, we do not have the technology to create a craft that can fly this close to the sun, be engulfed by a massive solar flare and survive.

Before you tell me this pic is a fake, it was taken off an official NASA site:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sindex.html

Notice the beam coming from the craft. Is it causing, or trying to contain the flare-up? Why the hell is NASA posting this pic? The craft doesn't seem to look like the SOHO craft, as the SOHO craft is shaped like a "T", and the craft in the pic is shaped like a plus sign or a cross.

Opinions? What do you guys think?

There is some mission coming up to send a probe through a solar flare and grab up some stellar material for study. Nothing to do with your picture really, but I thought you might be interested.

Not a SOHO thing, it is simply a scratch on the film, ..go back to sleep!:D

Originally posted by Microzoft
Not a SOHO thing, it is simply a scratch on the film, ..go back to sleep!:D

That's not a satisfactory explanation at all. Try again.

Maybe it's a weather balloon, or swamp gas. http://www.thetrolls.com/phpbb/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Look at this one with a beam going through it. I put a ruler up against my screen, and the line appears to be straight.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20030117_1319_eit_304.gif

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but this 'craft' would have to be the size of Earth to even show up in this picture.

http://www.solarviews.com/raw/misc/ss.gif

It must be a glitch.;)

The beam and the ship look like they've been added by computer, they are both very pixelised compared to everything else.

Hehe, No point in speculating any further.

It is physicaly impossible to create a space craft that is the size of Earth.

It is physicaly impossible to create a space craft that is the size of Earth.

Right now it is. Maybe in a few thousand years.

But solar flares can reach out how many hundred thousand miles?? And you have to take into account the angle and the distance between the craft and the sun (which wasn't given to us).

It could all just be the trick of a camera, just like this picture by Hudson used by Deregowski in Africa to see if they were 3D or 2D percievers

http://www.garysturt.free-online.co.uk/hudson.jpg

You see many people thought that the man was gonna kill the lil elephant, but that is absurd to our minds. It's just the way you look at the picture

But why is this picture, if it is a defect, on NASA's website?

But solar flares can reach out how many hundred thousand miles?? And you have to take into account the angle and the distance between the craft and the sun (which wasn't given to us).

to Be vissible at this scale, the craft which I can only assume is not longer than 1 km. Would have to be only a couple of thousands kilometers from the telescope(and even then be just a dot)


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SUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUNSUN

We get the idea

I would say that it was passing by while looking at the sun thro a telescope, but it would be too blurred to be seen...I think

Anyway, I believe the picture to be fake. NASA haven't exactly been good at putting up real pictures, remember that one about the Experimental Fighter Plane that was obviously fake

Well, I don't really trust NASA either, but if this is real, wouldn't this be the type of thing they would normally cover up?

Come on guys -- Conspiracy theory? Christ.

This artifact is caused by the CCD detector used by SOHO. (BTW, these images were taken with the EIT instrument, which operates in the extreme ultraviolet.)

CCD detectors operate via the photoelectric effect -- an incoming photon knocks an electron out of a thin metal layer, which then gets trapped in a semiconductor "well." The amount of charge that collects in these wells is proportional to the light intensity that hit that well during the exposure, and so forms an image.

The line is caused by a cosmic ray -- a highly energetic charged particle, which has cruised through the thin photosensitive metal layer in the CCD detector. These high-energy particles ionize atoms, leading to lots and lots of free electrons in those well through which the ray passes. These extra electrons are then counted and interpreted just like photons would be, and the result is a long line of "light" extending through the photograph. Depending upon the angle of incidence, the cosmic ray strike can appear as a point or a line of any length in any direction.

The "spaceship" in the first photograph is actually the end of the life of a particle that was probably a muon -- a heavy cousin of the electron. The muon entered the metal layer at the bottom right end of the line, traveled up and to the left for a bit, and began to slow down. As these cosmic ray particles pass through matter, they lose energy to the ionizations they create, and slow down. This one slowed down enough to essentially stop inside one of the wells. Inside this well, the particle caused quite a commotion, ionizing a lot of atoms, liberating a lot of electrons, and filling up the well.

The horizontal part of the "spaceship" is an artifact called a "bloom." When a CCD pixel (well) reaches its capacity of charge, any excess charge begins to bleed into neighboring pixels. The result always looks the same -- long straight bright lines extending along one axis of the detector. (Notice the horizontal part of the "spaceship" is exactly horizontal -- look at the pixels.) This occurs in every kind of CCD, in every kind of telescope -- in an overexposed image, the brightest stars saturate the CCD and bloom into other pixels.

Our little muon continued to cause a great deal of ionization until, eventually, it decayed -- probably into two gamma photons. The conservation of linear momentum would have made the gamma photons travel in the same direction as the incoming muon, so you see, just above the horizontal line of the "spaceship," a bright little vertical "tail" sticking up and to the left, in the same direction as the incoming muon. In the absence of any more evidence, it is most likely that the little blurred tail was caused by the gamma photons leaving the detector in very slighly different angles.

So there you go -- your conspiracy is really just a little muon, going on about its business, and interacting with the detector.

FYI, numerous kinds of detectors have been used throughout the years to detect the trajectory of particles, and they all operate on basically this principle. The bubble chamber, spark chamber, drift chamber, time projection chamber, and CCD vertex detectors are all based on the detection of ionization trails left by energetic charged particles. You can google up as much as you'd like to read about these detectors.

- Warren

Man, I believe you already!! No need to go on about it :p

your conspiracy is really just a little muon, going on about its business, and interacting with the detector

Interfering is more like it. Damn muons, screwing with everything! Ban muons! :cool:

Originally posted by Thor
Man, I believe you already!! No need to go on about it :p
You can learn a lot about particle physics and CCDs from this one image! It's actually a particularly beautiful example of a decay in the plane of the detector... these kinds of images don't happen often. More regularly, the ray just enters and then leaves the detector plane, making a long boring streak.

- Warren

You can learn a lot about particle physics and CCDs from this one image!
I am actually learning alot about CCD's and there uses on satalittes. My girlfriends father works with them and enjoys telling me about them. They had to find a way to make them "immune" to the radiation in space. They're using ones used by dentists and dental x-rays somehow

can someone kindly tell me what the fuck this picture is:

It's either the sun or footage from my last ergot trip.

OK, croot. I'll buy that.

Originally posted by Death Eats a Cracker
OK, croot. I'll buy that.
Uh.. glad to hear that. I worried for a few that you wouldn't believe me. :rolleyes:

- Warren

Ok, first off, shove the :rolleyes: up your ass. Secondly, I emailed your reply to the dude who posted the pictures on Graham Hancock's website. He thinks it's a Stargate. :confused:

If he has a retort that's halfway coherent, I'll post it. How 'bout you hold your breath until then, eh?

Hell of a place for a Stargate.

Oooo, that was kinda bitchy

Originally posted by Death Eats a Cracker
Ok, first off, shove the :rolleyes: up your ass. Secondly, I emailed your reply to the dude who posted the pictures on Graham Hancock's website. He thinks it's a Stargate. :confused:

If he has a retort that's halfway coherent, I'll post it. How 'bout you hold your breath until then, eh?
Listen, kid, maybe you'd have been better off not deciding to post here after all, mm?

I'm a graduate student studying astrophysics -- I'm working on becoming a professional scientist. I know cosmic rays and particle detectors intimately. There is no question to whether or not the explanation I gave is the correct one -- it is repeatable and verifiable. Similar detectors are used to track particles in mundane laboratory experiments every day.

I find it hard to believe you're going to challenge me with some kook who thinks it's a "Stargate."

- Warren

BURN!!

What? It was a good burn...oh come on guys...guys!! awww :(

Originally posted by Thor
Oooo, that was kinda bitchy
Yes, it was... get your bets ready, folks.

God, I love aggressive, ignorant people -- they're so entertaining.

- Warren

Well, part of being a good scientist is using a little something I like to call "reading comprehension". If you go back, you'll see that I agree with your explanation. I'm sure the kook will provide no challenge to you.

I'm sure you'll make a good scientist. You sound like the kind of arrogant prick who'll fit right in with the mainstream.

Have a nice career, fuckface.

fuckface
Totally uncalled for

Ok, everyone calm down, we don't need another flame war here

And you are???

Originally posted by Thor
Totally uncalled for

Ok, everyone calm down, we don't need another flame war here
Hey come on, Thor, don't be a party pooper. I've never gotten into a flame war over particle physics, and it sure does sound like fun!

- Warren

And you are???

Right back at ya!

We don't need another flame war here, lets just see who the bigger person here is

Edit to add: Sorry, altho it would be very interesting (and a once in a lifetime oppurtunity) to witness, it's just not needed

Come on, Death Eats a Cracker, your mom's a hooker, and your breath smells like a cat's ass.

- Warren

Originally posted by Death Eats a Cracker
Secondly, I emailed your reply to the dude who posted the pictures on Graham Hancock's website.
Hey, put up a link to the page.. I'd love to read that shit.

- Warren

:eek: :confused: :bugeye:

Make love, not war!!

Originally posted by Thor
Make love, not war!!
I WILL NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH DEATH EATS A CRACKER.

Man, this thread has devolved. I've gone from discussing the fine details of a beautiful example of a muon decay in the plane of a CCD detector to shouting obscenities in all caps. Gotta love sciforums.

- Warren

Alright then, make it a hot cocoa and we'll call it quits. Sound good to anyone else, ummm??

Originally posted by Thor
Alright then, make it a hot cocoa and we'll call it quits. Sound good to anyone else, ummm??
Maybe... someone else should make the hot cocoa. I don't have the best track record in that department.

- Warren

Fine, a glass of milk then!! Oh forget it, I'll go and make it!! Men :rolleyes:

I appreciated your long explanation. You could have just posted the simple fact, and been done with it, but you made it interesting. Thanks.

Originally posted by Thor
Fine, a glass of milk then!! Oh forget it, I'll go and make it!! Men :rolleyes:
You're a woman??? :eek:

- Warren

You're a woman???
You're a man!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Contrary to popular belief, I am male

Edit to add: In this thread I even mentioned I had a girlfriend :bugeye:

Originally posted by chroot
Come on, Death Eats a Cracker, your mom's a hooker, and your breath smells like a cat's ass.

- Warren

Yep. She's a hooker. Sad thing is, she still wouldn't fuck you. So you'll have to be content to let your boyfriend continue to ream out your stretch mark laden cum dumpster.

The breath...well, if your mom would douche her dugout on a semi annual basis, my breath would be minty fresh as usual.

Oh, and by the way:

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=2&i=50210&t=50210

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=2&i=50372&t=50372

Originally posted by Thor
You're a man!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Contrary to popular belief, I am male

Edit to add: In this thread I even mentioned I had a girlfriend :bugeye:

Are you hot? :cool:

Great site...they aren't gullible enough to fall for the Guth venusian artifacts though. So there's hope for them.

Originally posted by Jaxom
Great site...they aren't gullible enough to fall for the Guth venusian artifacts though. So there's hope for them.
I wonder if I should even bother actually explaining the images on that site... I'm pretty sure they'd get to the word "muon" and their heads would implode.

- Warren

Death Eats Crackers? Hmmm... interesting. I always thought of him as an Oreo person...


Ok, first off, shove the up your ass.

You sound like the kind of arrogant prick who'll fit right in with the mainstream. Have a nice career, fuckface.

Judging by these words in quotes above, Id say you're the immature "arrogant prick who'll fit right in with the mainstream". Now this could be my opinion alone but Im leaning towards it being fact. Also the title of this thread,
"SWEET MOTHER OF FUCK: A conspiracy involving the Sun?
would tend to favor my opinion even more. Why? Well you used expletives in the title of a thread that had no place being there. Generally people who do this are immature 12 to, oh id say, 14 yrs old who want to be just like the older kids with girlfriends.

So after all that I would suggest a simple prescription for you=
Shut your immature mouth and leave.

Are you hot?
Are you gay?

Have a Nice day You Cracker!
T:m:

Originally posted by Tristan
Death Eats Crackers? Hmmm... interesting. I always thought of him as an Oreo person...






Judging by these words in quotes above, Id say you're the immature "arrogant prick who'll fit right in with the mainstream". Now this could be my opinion alone but Im leaning towards it being fact. Also the title of this thread,
"SWEET MOTHER OF FUCK: A conspiracy involving the Sun?
would tend to favor my opinion even more. Why? Well you used expletives in the title of a thread that had no place being there. Generally people who do this are immature 12 to, oh id say, 14 yrs old who want to be just like the older kids with girlfriends.

So after all that I would suggest a simple prescription for you=
Shut your immature mouth and leave.


Are you gay?

Have a Nice day You Cracker!
T:m:

Weak ass opinion duly noted and ignored. Next.

Weak ass opinion duly noted and ignored. Next.

Let me make a few adjustments.... alittle there....and there....
ok=====>

"Strong buttox fact duly noted and understood. Next?"

Next
Theres no one left that cares. Now go away. When death starts eating Oreos', you can come back.

T.:m:

Originally posted by Tristan
Let me make a few adjustments.... alittle there....and there....
ok=====>

"Strong buttox fact duly noted and understood. Next?"


Theres no one left that cares. Now go away. When death starts eating Oreos', you can come back.

T.:m:

Take another toke, Cheech.

http://13moons.org/bumper_stickers/images/EBAMI.jpg

Here is the reply I received from the person who posted the pics on Hancock's board:

chroot reply has a possible explaination for some of the effects seen. But if you see some of my other posts, I have posted CCD error examples showing the effect see by Venus.

From all the time I have spent viewing the site, no errors have been diagonal only Left to Right.

Post the 'Bird of Prey' or 'Thunderbird' and the 'Cube' Images and then see them try to explain they are CCD Errors. :-)

Alan aka Osiris



I'm not familiar with the other images he's referring to.

Originally posted by Death Eats a Cracker
I'm not familiar with the other images he's referring to.
Yeah, sounds like the typical... "but... but...... but but.... but" defense.

- Warren