SECRETS OF THE CIA - Astonishing Video on Google

CIA/NSA - US staterunned Mafia/Terror/Drug traficking/Weapon trading and Money laundering Syndicate

A must see for every world citizen to better understand the history of war:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271&q=Secrets+of+the+CIA&pl=true

the difference between the usa and the rest of the world? answer none
every major country has their equivelant of the cia

Very interesting, shows what secrecy is good for (JACK SHIT)

the difference between the usa and the rest of the world? answer none
Bullshit! Answer – a lot.

every major country has their equivelant of the cia
Yes, most countries have a foreign intelligence service in one form or another. But typically they are used for just that – gathering intelligence for defensive purposes. There are relatively few countries that use them for covert assignations, undermining and deposing elected leaders and governments, training and support of rebel and insurgent groups, sales of armaments etc. in the reckless and shameful way that the USA uses the CIA. Bin Laden and Saddam are just two examples of CIA trained and supported alumni. I put it to you that there are very few countries that use their foreign intelligence service to interfere with other countries in the contemptible way in which the USA does.

Example: President of Panama, Manuel Noriega, was a CIA agent who turned and disobeyed orders from Washington. As a result the US invaded Panama to remove Noriega. So, as a result of the USA’s despicable attempts to engineer foreign governments for its own selfish interests, 3000 Panamanian civilians died during the conflict. And, of course, that pails into insignificance when compared to the bloodshed in Vietnam and SE Asia that was a direct result of the US backed assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem and installation of a puppet government.

Bullshit! Answer – a lot.

bullshit !
answer - do your homework
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/6461
http://www.larouchepub.
com/other/2006/3310abramoff_mafiya.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/Archive/News/GlobalNews/Features/2003/News+Global+Features.htm
http://www.shro-cairo.org/pressreleases/march03/darfur.htm

need i go on?

Its obvious that the CIA is a criminal organization for greed and power.

Lord (president) Bush used to be in the CIA, and now he uses this creature to start wars which benefit his favorite investments.

the cia is not the only organisation that does that sort of thing
other countries have similar organisations that do the same thing

Ever wonder how it is that America can be criticized for propping up Arab dictators by buying oil (Saudi Arabia), yet also criticized when it undermines Arab dictators by not buying oil (Iraq), and both for intervening and not intervening in world affairs?

Welcome to the whacky world of anti-Americanism, where the only rule is that the United States is ultimately to blame for anything that goes wrong in the world, no matter how good its intentions are (or how appalling the standards of its enemies). True believers are not above holding contradictory positions concurrently, as long as it facilitates exaggeration and strategic omission against the Great Satan.


If you listen to these types you'll forget that the Soviet Union and its gulag ever existed, and come to believe that America operated in a vacuum during the Cold War era. You'll also think that the United States invented slavery, and fail to recall that the lives of 500,000 Americans were spent to end it. And, of course, you'll believe that any aggressive act by the Americans to defend themselves against Islamic terror is completely unwarranted and ultimately to blame for all acts of terrorism, perhaps even those that unwittingly preceded it.

The most extreme anti-Americanists tend to be Western pacifists - those sanctimonious types who enjoy a life of comfort and ease without the slightest acknowledgment that it is only made possible through the sacrifice of others, past and present(duck!!flyingsaucers!). Pacifism itself, the philosophy of rigid non-violence in any circumstance, is a great idea, provided that every person on the planet is also on board. Otherwise it's just a prescription for nihilism, as those without such scruples take what they want with impunity.

Organizations like the CIA are a necessary evil. Deal with it.

like i said before
hitler gassed 6 million jews because america helped britain

The most extreme anti-Americanists tend to be Western pacifists - those sanctimonious types who enjoy a life of comfort and ease without the slightest acknowledgment that it is only made possible through the sacrifice of others, past and present.

You mean like Sean Hanity or even Bush and Cheney? What a Lousy bunch of draft-dodging hippies!

Yeah, the KGB was a bunch of angels. Good Ol Stalin. He kills 20 million of his own people but thats ok! That Bush guy however, now there is someone who we need to worry about.

Get help people.

I've been trying to help them man.

Its the freaking twilight zone dude... doo doo doo doo --doo doo doo doo

need i go on?
Yes, do please go on because your cited examples are useless as evidence. You linked to topics involving military (or paramilitary) activity and political fraud, neither of which has anything to do with covert illegal use of foreign intelligence services such as the CIA.

Let me know if you come up with anything that actually substantiates your assertion that all countries use their foreign intelligence services in the same way as the US uses the CIA.

my dear hercules
you mean to tell me you never heard of bletchly park, kgb, and the mossad?

by definition covert means unknown or undercover, the information is going to be hard to find

yes i linked to paramilitary ops which by its nature is covert

covert illegal use of foreign intelligence services such as the CIA.

what exactly do you mean by this phrase?

The dutch intelligence service doesn't behave like the CIA.



And as a general remark: is it ok for the CIA to behave like it is an intelligence agency of a dicatorship, because a dictatorship (soviet union/stalin/saudi arabia etc) behaved like a dicatorship?

The dutch intelligence service doesn't behave like the CIA.



And as a general remark: is it ok for the CIA to behave like it is an intelligence agency of a dicatorship, because a dictatorship (soviet union/stalin/saudi arabia etc) behaved like a dicatorship?
yes spurious the dutch inelligence never does anything covert or illegal does it.


as to the second part, if someone cheats at a game you usually quit
the problem here is when it comes to world affairs you can't quit

yes spurious the dutch inelligence never does anything covert or illegal does it.


Covert? Certainly they do things that are not public. It says so on their website. But they have yearly publications showing what they do. Just not exactly. They are under control of the government who checks up on them. They can get a wiretap, but only with written permission of the minister of internal affairs. They can't torture people. They CAN NOT arrest people or hold them (they have no legal status to do so). They gather information. They are not allowed to carry guns. They are not allowed to overthrow foreign governments etc.


Illegal? No.

If they would do something illegal they would be prosecuted. Don't be so negative. Not all countries are like the US. There is a difference to be found. I'm quite sure you like to think all countries are the same and the US is the best, but that is not part of the real world.

Spurious, why don't you go and watch the movie and see what the X-agents are saying hmmm????

....besides, its the CIA which keeps the manmade flying saucer top secret.... by whatever means they can...

The Roswell Hoax was formulated and carried out in 1947.

The CIA was formed in 1947.

I have no clue what you are talking about or what the relevance is.

The things you guys seem to miss is that once upon a time, the world was controlled by a constant "stalemate". If one "Superpower" created a weapon or gained some trade agreement with a foreign country, the other superpowers would attempt to to do the same or inhibit the initial country from having the weapon or trade agreement.

In all cases it all boiled down to Espionage. As you can guess Espionage is not a game played by Gentleman and therefore there are no clear correct rules of engagement. This meant that an awful lot of the things that any of these countries carried out on each other and any third-party countries was just to attempt to maintain the upperhand.

With the change of foreign policies after the breakup of the USSR. Espionage turned a completely different direction, not so much about superpowers trying to scare each other to stay in some sort of stand off but more towards the corrupt individuals that realised that Espionage is where money can be made.

This has created a whole new espionage problem, FREELANCERS. It's easy for people to acquire spytoys if they have the time and the money, and therefore means that they can go off and start working for a company or visit a country with their intension of finding out what ever they can using their toys and own personal spy fantasy to fuel them. It doesn't take much to see occurances of this, for instance a Ministry of Defense cleaner attempted to sell tank designs that he'd swiped from someones desk at MoD office, what he didn't know was the "Russian" mafia he was attempting to sell to was actually a sting. He wasn't selling the plans because of a respect for a foreign power, or because of hidden loyalities but just because they were the only people he could contact that had given him a price.

There have been other occurances of such problems arise in the press without all the details being submitted, like a number of holiday makers in Greece being held on spying charges because they took a picture of some planes during an airshow in a photograph restriction area. From my view on that I wondered why the UK government would actually want any photo's of the Greek military, or more importantly why the Greeks though the UK wanted pictures. Later press responses suggested that the head of the Military base was related to the local constabulary head and really just involved a method of extracting money for quietly dealing with a bloated situation.

Another more recent one was the Rock in Moscow. I don't know anything about it, however I'm guessing that if it wasn't done by actual spies, it would be the FREELANCE community again trying to get something to sell someone.

The dutch intelligence service doesn't behave like the CIA.

oh really?

At the end of July 2000, a squad of four Dutch commandos was apprehended while attempting to cross into Serbia from Montenegro. During the investigation, they admitted that they intended to kill or kidnap President Milosevic. The four said that they were informed that $30 million had been offered for “Milosevic’s head,” and that they intended to “claim a reward.” One of the men said that the group planned to abduct Milosevic or former Bosnian Serb President Radovan Karadzic and “surrender them to The Hague.” The group planned to put them atop a car “in a ski box and transport them…out of the country.” If the abduction failed, one of the men “had the idea to kill the president, to decapitate” him, and to put his head “in the box and to send it home” to the Netherlands.
http://www.left.ru/inter/august/elich2.html

Call me a moron, but the article seems to suggest these commando's were interested in the 30 million reward. It doesn't say they were members of the AVID or recruited by the AVID.

actually it says:

One of the arrested men, Gotfrides de Ri, belonged to the openly racist neo-nazi Center Party. During the wars in Croatia and Bosnia, the Center Party sent Dutch mercenaries to fight in right-wing Croatian paramilitary units. At the time of their arrest, the four were found with several knives, including one with a swastika, and wires with hooks for strangulation. All four admitted that they had trained under the British SAS. At a news conference on August 1, 2000, Goran Matic accused the U.S of being the prime sponsor of assassinations and attempted assassinations. “It is obvious that they are recruiting various terrorist groups because they are frustrated with the fact that their military, political and economic goals in southeastern Europe have not been realized… [They are] trying to send them into the country so that they can change our political and social environment.” (10)

I guess you couldn't bother to read one paragraph more.

and you tell me that i can't accept the facts?

I don't know what have gotten into you, but the 4 dutch commandos weren't there on government business. They were part of a nazi group. Then the article states that the US, i repeat US government is prime sponsor of assassination groups, not the Dutch one. In fact, the Dutch government or Intelligence service isn't mentioned at all.
the Center Party sent Dutch mercenaries to fight in right-wing Croatian paramilitary units

The center party isn't even in the government.

It is actually the task of the AVID to gather information on these right wing extremist parties.

And that is your source. It seems you can't accept facts.

Do i have to read between the lines for an imaginary story????

i guess that you have never heard of the drug 'ecstacy' have you?

This shows that when people know about this treaty, they usually reject it, but the problem is that most people, also in The Netherlands, know nothing about it. International pressure is one of the most effective means to expose the Dutch involvement in the military part of bloody Plan Colombia: the Dutch consulate in Dijon was already occupied, and this kind of actions really have a very good impact. We hence call European action groups to take action against Dutch embassies, consulates, tourist offices, etc on that day, to make clear that the devastation created by the Plan Colombia is not just the responsibility of the US government, but also of European governments, and particularly the Dutch, and as a way to show solidarity with the actions in Quebec. If we manage collectively to get the gringos out of Aruba and Curacao, the US 'war on drugs' will face an important logistical, political and public-relations problem.
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/colombia/action.htm

but i guess you won't accept this either
or try to explain it away

the dutch have no balls

And I consider that you fail to have provided a point regarding yugoslavia since you cannot provide any rebuttal.

Wait, you ask if the Dutch ever do or did something dirty? Let's keep it to a point. The discussion is about the power that the CIA has compared to for instance the Dutch intelligence agency.

It's not the dutch though that actually have a war on drugs you know. Nor is it the AVID (dutch CIA) that actually made that agreement or actively pursues a war on drugs. They can't.

Plan Colombia

The Pastrana government presented a national socioeconomic development plan on 19 December 1998, with overtones of the Marshall plan, called Plan Colombia. The government was to depend for its implementation on the financial support of the international community. However, the United States announced that its contribution was within the framework of the ‘War on Drugs’. A new version of Plan Colombia was signed on19 September 1999 by the United States and Colombia.

The total costs of plan Colombia are US$ 7.5 billion, of which Colombia itself is to contribute US$ 5 billion. The United States made a total of US$ 1.3 billion available, for a period of three years. Of this, US$ 321 million will be spent on social projects (alternative development, Human Rights, effective administration and reforms of the legal system, and the peace process). The remaining part is concerned with training and assistance to the army and police for combating drugs in Colombia. An important part of this is formed by the sixteen military helicopters on loan from the United States to protect the spraying aircrafts from attack while they are working.

Public Law 106-206, concerned with American support to Plan Colombia, came into effect in the United States on 13 July 2000. This law attached a number of Human Rights conditions to the military support. The Human Rights organizations Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International in particular put the case in 2000 that the Colombian army was unable to fulfil many of these Human Rights conditions. The Clinton administration decided in August 2000, however, to withdraw this Human Rights clause (the waiver), which provoked international protest. The form, level and duration of the US contribution to Plan Colombia has been raised for discussion again now that the Bush administration has taken office.

Europe and (Plan) Colombia

Very little has come of the planned Colombian contribution to Plan Colombia of US$ 5 billion. The Pastrana government did request the missing US$ 1.2 billion from the international community (of a total budget for the international community of US$ 2.5 billion) outside the American commitment of US$ 1.3 billion. Partly as a result of intensive lobbying, Europe spoke out against the entire Plan Colombia, referring to the military element being performed by the Americans. They did indicate a willingness to fund social projects, and focussed on areas similar to the social component of Plan Colombia - crop substitution, peace developments, a reinforcement of the constitutional state and economic development.

The international community made financial commitments to Colombia in July 2000 in Madrid (Mesa de Donantes, international donor meeting) amounting to US$ 871 million and in October 2000 in Bogotá (also Mesa de Donantes) amounting to US$ 280 million. Although at first sight this appears to fund the remaining social plan budget of 1.2 billion, closer inspection reveals that this is not the case. At least US$ 370 million appears to be loans and credits (the World Bank, IDB, CAF and Japan) and other commitments (such as the

US$ 250 million from the United States) appear to be already budgeted project funds.

Furthermore, these contributions mainly relate to bilateral support of European countries and Japan. There is no joint European policy for how the contributions will be spent, and the details of these projects remain largely unclear. The European Commission itself is bearing only US$ 90 million of the social development projects (3.6% of the international community’s total). The details are also almost entirely unknown. Furthermore, Colombia would benefit from rapid payment of the project monies. The government institution for crop substitution, PLANTE, for example, is carrying out the current projects with American aid funds (US$ 102.5 million through USAID). These budgets, however, are insufficient in total to finance the crop substitution. The PLANTE institute has as yet heard nothing concrete from the EU.

Therefore, support from the EU to Colombia has so far been limited, fragmented, unclear and slow. This is partly explained by mistrust of the Colombian government and the American military support to Plan Colombia. But another significant fact is that interest in Latin America is fading in Europe. For various reasons, EU foreign policy and development cooperation officials are focussing their attention of other parts of the world.



Pax Christi Netherlands, however, is of the opinion that Dutch and European attention for Colombia is essential.

* Firstly, the conflict is intensifying and the Human Rights situation in the country is alarming. It is a humanitarian disaster.
* In addition, the war has not only spread to previously relatively peaceful Colombian departments, but the conflict is also affecting neighbouring countries such as Ecuador, Panama, Brazil, Peru and Venezuela. In many cases, the arms trade follows the drugs routes through the various countries. This has resulted in practices such as revenge killing, extortion and kidnapping spreading to the border provinces of the neighbouring countries. The guerrillas are already cultivating coca in the north of Ecuador. This therefore marks the beginning of the destabilization of the region.
* Thirdly, Europe is involved in various ways in the conflict, and cannot view the specific drugs issue in isolation from European society. After all, Europe is an important supplier of the chemicals for drugs production, forms an important market for Colombian drugs, and part of the drugs income is laundered through European banks.



The majority of the Colombian representatives of the civil society spoken to by the delegation see large-scale socioeconomic investments and structural legal and administrative reforms as indispensable conditions for peace. However, they consider the chaos in the country to be too far advanced for them to be able to restore order unassisted. Many Colombians are now pinning their hopes on the EU, because they associate the United States mainly with military involvement. Until now, however, this hope has been unjustified, and the US - surprisingly enough - has been acting more effectively than a divided and slow Europe in the areas of crop substitution and even Human Rights (pressure on the army).


An american military plan and leopold blames the Dutch.

how typical.

Do you even know if the the dutch colonies are still used as a base?

the dutch have no balls

Americans have no brains.

I googled plan colombia and the dutch intelligence agency in different forms and didn't get a single hit.

Good to know our intelligence agency can keep a secret.

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plan colombia and CIA
2,400,000 results.

the dutch can't admit their government is capable of dirty deeds

Good to know our intelligence agency can keep a secret.

so, how do you know what it's up to?

the dutch can't admit their government is capable of dirty deeds

The dutch made slavery profitable again, invented apartheid, massacred indonesians by the thousands. You are just little babies when it comes to injustice. We were fucking over the world when america didn't even exist. The Dutch did things you americans can only dream about.

But we changed. Our CIA is not a loose cannon.

You seem not to be able to comprehend the discussion at hand. We are talking about intelligence agencies and their nature.

Simple fact remains. The AVID cannot even apprehend or question anyone. It's against the law. The foreign intelligence agency was dismantled in 1994 by the prime minister (Lubbers). Recently the AVID started monitoring foreign affairs again in light of recent events (terrorism) after it had been approved.

Of course, you don't know shit about the dutch intelligence agency because you have to be able to read Dutch if you really want to read up on it. And now you rely on your google and the only thing you could find was 4 dutch rogue commandos supported by the US and plan colombia, a US initiative.

The Dutch intelligence agency so far hasn't had anything to do with it.

I did some reading so far looking for controversies regarding the Dutch intelligence agency:

so far

1. They were spying on Pim fortyn, allegedly, regarding his sex life and it was questioned if this information was going to be used by the government.
2. The AVID is using israeli equipment for wiretapping and parlement was worried if the israelis could possibly take advantage of that.
3. They left some sensitive information in a rental car. By accident.

Nothing about torturing, or overthrowing regimes so far.

Guys spuriousmonkey & Leopold99

Come back to the bigger picture ...proving Dutch is not like CIA or otherwise does not prove Jack. It is true that CIA is active in more countries than there are countries with international espionage agency.

Countries which earmark funds for which there are no accountability and furthermore those funds are to be used exclusively by the secret service agency which has track record of regime change and over throw of governments are terrorist nations. Whether it be US or Russia... Who asked US to defeat communist governments in other countries ..why not sit tight and mind their own business in their own country. Guard your own borders ..save your own citizens ..why make other's nation a killing field or use it to test your weapons..if you see the video (at the start of this thread) you will realize that CIA bombed nations which were not at war with US and also helped insurgents to over throw elected governments. Would you allow any other country to help young nazi followers by arming them and training them against US gov - I hope not.. but thats exactly what CIA is doing in other countries