basically... this thread is to inform the owners of this site.. that MODERATORS SUCK ASS. they are a laughable joke. giving infractions and threating people. if you want to make a rule about foul launguage, then use software that deletes or removes those bad words. to delete posts.. and threaten your members... keyword.. writers. is dumb. and i tell you honestly... you will only loose members. some... maybe you should get rid of. some... you cannot afford to loose. I dont know if i can stand it much longer. Singularity.... apparently has had enough. many will follow. -MT
James R hasn't exactly threatened me before :shrug: and oddly enough I've never even heard from any other moderators, infact they seem to completely ignore I'm alive, perhaps they've better things to do? Absane even leaves me alone, he gave me an infraction once for some bizarre thread which I've forgotten now. So :L I am gonna go play now, you be good :C
This is entirely possible with the vBulletin forums...the offending words can be replaced by ****. Or the post can be deleted automatically if it contains naughty words. Insults however cannot be filtered with software, and I think they should be infractionable, simply because its cowardly to insult people from the comfort of anonymity.
We don't ignore you Dark, we know exactly how you are on sciforums and technically you are harmless enough. We of course hope that remains true, there have been some wonderful discussions involving your posting rights and polls and previous versions of yourself being banned etc, however you keep coming back here and although some say they tire of you, it wouldn't be the same if you didn't exist. (Although I'm sure Nick would try very hard to fill your space)
Who's pissing you off? I usually give one infraction a month. And I don't recall threatening anyone (well in a serious way...). James R has been the same in terms of discipline. Plazma is a fair guy. You don't here much from Invert Nexus, Stryder, Athulwulf, tristan, tiassa, and perhaps a few others in terms of moderation. I think it's fine to use profanity to your heart's content just so long as your post has real content. If I make a post that simply says "fuck you," that is inappropriate since this forum is for discussion. If you disgree with someone so much that you have the urge to say "fuck you," at least elaborate as to why you are just that pissed off. Use reason. Of course, I am not talking about your infractions but just in general.
And I was the one who told her that if she kept going the way she was in the thread in question, I would give her an infraction. Was it a threat? Yes. I make no apologies for it. She was apparently offended when I asked that the thread in question remain on topic instead of degenerating into the flame war it appeared to be heading to. The only thing I am sorry about is that I was not online when she returned to the thread.
On-topic of overall moderation problems. It's all very well for people to complain about moderators not doing what they want them to do, however you have to understand we don't all think the same way and sometimes we see things that other people will miss because they are far too personally attached to an argument or person. I know I've had a few people complain about myself not involving myself in their arguments and banning their opposition, but you have to remember a moderator isn't here to be swayed by favoritism, they aren't here to act like corrupt officials that do someones bidding for a price, the moderator's task is to try and deal with things in a fair manner and to try and thing of not just the one person but the community as a whole. Thats why occasionally people will be permabanned even though some in the community will not fully understand why, thats also why sometimes moderators are seemingly inactive but in reality are sitting in the side lines carefully weighing up what to do with a post/thread or user. Moderators do communicate with one another, any ban's made for post's/infractions usually have a secret thread all to itself within the moderators forum. The reason for this is the moderators aren't always in agreement with how people should be dealt with, so they discuss how to deal with them, whether they should be dealt with harshly or watched a little more before bringing in the big guns. Some of the forums worst aggravators have had their very own personal threads, however the main reason this isn't usually public knowledge is because some people take it to heart when they get an infraction, how do you think the same people feel to find a thread about them and their potential permabanning? Further still how would they feel about the moderator that was responsible for starting that particular thread? This is why its a private forum (other than the forums related to Secret World Dominance within the moderators "Organisation", the forum set aside as a bulletin board for "Secret Organisations Base Operations" where we talk about why the shark tank wasn't operational the last time we dealt with TOR, and of course my personal favourite forum "Forum for Moderators Sensitivity training" we've had some interesting laughter lesson threads and a nice piece on satire. ) Btw, Moderators are human we do like to have a laugh once in a while.
Yeah either wayPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The moderation could probably be a bit better here but who the fuck cares. It's not like they get paid for the job. It's not like we pay for the chance to post our bullshit opinions here. Mosheh and Singularity are two of the people who make things miserable in the Physics forum, and if they happened to disappear forever, I wouldn't really cry about it. If they continue to post dumbass science I will continue to tell them they are wrong, and at the end of the day the world still turns. Maybe some of you people need to get outside and get some fucking fresh air.
if i was administrator and came across this thread the very first question i would ask is "is it moderation in general or just a few moderators or just one?' since your post does not address the issue that you yourself has raised i would consider you nothing more than a sqeaky wheel.
If they're as valuable contributors as Singularity, I say "Don't let the door hit you on your way out."
PERSONNALLY... i AM AGAINST MODERATION GENERALLY. I hold no grude against any one moderator. its the whole idea. infractions... leading to temporary restrictions, suspensions, and possible banning... not to mention having posts deleted. this kind of designed organization is likenned to using the stick, verses using a carrot. I dont like sticks... and I cannot recommend using them. use carrots instead. -MT
Perhaps some do. But since I haven't seen any of them about it in public, that's their own business. However, if you would like us to remove our presence from your life, I may be able to convince my fellows to completely ignore any scorn visited upon you by other posters. As to carrots, they're a bad idea. Typically, offering a carrot results in a retort concerning where we can stick the carrot. Foolish as it sounds, the best solution still lies with the posters. Give us fewer reasons to stick our noses in, and we'll happily stay the hell out. In the meantime, moderation long ago gave up any serious attempt to censor profanity; we've given a tremendous amount in our interpretation of useless posts and topics; we've even tried giving more ground than is wise in order to accommodate posters' needs to spew hatred. Hell, we've given so much ground that much of what people perceive as arbitrary action on our part is, in fact, the result of a lack of precedent. Considering that we actually bend over backwards to accommodate the chronically and terminally stupid, I would ask you to consider a simple analogy: The speed limit is 70 mph. The cops write tickets for any variation. People protest. 71 or 72 is a bit too close to call, given variations in the gauges from car to car. 75? Well, why aren't they busting the guy going 76? He's a worse offender than the one pulled over. 77, 78, 79 .... Fine, whatever. But if someone complains about getting a ticket for going 95 mph in a 70 zone, what sympathy do they really deserve? Our job, essentially, is to prevent absolute and utter chaos. That's pretty much all we've had for a while. Compared to the last time I recall complaining about moderation against one of my own posts (well before I was a moderator), this place has become a ridiculous haven for spiteful anarchists dressing themselves in various, silly labels. If we did a proper cleaning, many would be surprised to find themselves on the list. And we sympathize with that. Some of these folks, after all, are actually trying. Many are not. And yet the moderation and administration of this site is somehow expected to treat people on both sides of that division equally. Your social contract here is not free. The people who come here in order to unload the plethora of chips on their shoulders and splatter the rest of us as they pull the sticks out of their mud are simply selfish, spiteful people. And yet, even though their purpose is to be a detriment to the community, they must first cross some glaringly obvious lines before we can get rid of them. So instead of moderators constantly cycling out the evil, banning whole IP sets in order to stop their re-enlistment, and generally making moderation a job that requires financial compensation for its necessary time commitments, perhaps it's time to look to the posters. For most of its time, Sciforums has been regarded as a laughingstock by many of its counterpart discussion boards. A haven for nut jobs, insanity, bogus theories and wasted arguments. To a certain point it's true, but it's also our pride. If we were to actively seek, as moderators and administration, to change that reputation ... well, you think we suck ass now? We'd drain the shite before you even eat. And that, good Mosheh, would be some superlative ass-sucking. I wonder how hard the posting community wants us to come down on them. If folks want perfect vigilance and uniform enforcement, I think they'll be surprised to find the boundaries so much closer than they expected.
then why come here mosheh? you know good and well that sciforums has moderators. this board is moderated. i believe that the reason this has become an issue is because james finally has the help he needs. he no longer prowls the forums alone. he has a posse and they are willing to do their job. like i said, the board is moderated, always has been, always will be.
I've never had a infraction... altough someone deleted a picture of a high rankend apollo contributer ... in his former working clothes. Anyway I've never minded the moderators.
