http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6927395.stm Can you still claim territory by planting a flag on it?
Yeah, I really see that 'claim' keeping the other countries involved (Denmark(Greenland), Canada and the U.S. from doing their own drilling/exploration up there. I don't see any other country placing any recognition for Russia's claim, especially the scarcer that fossil fuels get.
heh, I wouldn't consider Canada's claim serious, just defacto. Truth is the Canadian Government would be happy as a pig in horseshit to be able to keep all it's northern territory and the sea zones between them.
This action is largely due to the US claiming the Helium 3 on the Moon. The Russians wanted to do a joint operation in securing that potenially lucrative fuel sorce. But ofcourse the US rebuffed their offer. So this move makes sense. They can play the claim game too.
I agree. It's literally "Flag Waving". Undersea flag waving. As if planting a Flag gives you rights. It's for Russian TV. The US refusal to share expenses on Space projects is strange. Nasa is due for budget cuts, I believe, and any return from Helium 3 might take a hundred years to pay off. Perhaps never. Co-operation would seem a good idea. Military interests?
That totally surprises me. I don't see any reason why we wouldn't have accepted that offer with open arms. Space exploration thus far has proven to be very expensive. And Russia has almost as much space experience as the U.S. That would have benefitted both of us.
Of COURSE! This is all somehow the USA's fault... again. Just like the Bubonic Plague, the metior that killed the dinosaurs and 185 Supernova (observed by the Chinese) that destroyed the poor inhabitants of Umgala V. ~String
I have to agree with String on this. This is about shipping lanes and fossil fuels - money. If I recall correctly Canada made the first move on this frontier months ago.
But Canada NEVER claimed one square inch outside the UNCLOS defined limits ("200 nautical miles or edge of the continental shelf [not extending beyond 350 nautical miles], whichever is greater"). Both Canada and Russia have ratified the treaty (the USA signed, but still hasn't ratified-- though it still obeys its strictures). Anybody, EVEN RUSSIA, is allowed to drill for oil anywhere outside those limits-- and they can have the North Pole-- it's not like the US, Denmark, Norway or Canada are scrambling to drill there. This is all about weakening Russian pride and Putins ersatz attempts at bolsting it. ~String
if this claim can include the waters above the flag then moscows claim is invalid. in 1958 the nuclear powered submarine Nautilus sailed beneath the polar ice cap. she could have easily dropped ballast onto the seabed below. edit: as a matter of fact it was august the 3rd (today) resource: http://www.ussnautilus.org/
That is all true, but did you know your country wants to travel, has travelled, military nuclear armed vessels through Canadian waters without asking so many times, it is routine? The fact is, your country does not give two shits about about other nations sovereignty, only it's direct military power, while paying lip service to the so-called "free world". Then many americans have the gall to be "alarmed" at the natural response to this not-so-secret american behaviour. Develop and produce direct power - nuclear weapons. That's the only way to get respect in the so-called "free world".
I'm afraid you have to consider the treaties that are between the U.S. and Canada that allow for this, and the fact that they are a part of NATO, and that Canada uses the U.S. military to keep its military budget extremely low.
funny how US and Canada forget that it is not the flag that was chosen to decide to whom the territory belongs, but the soil samples of the continent tectonic plate. If the soil samples will show it is part of Siberian tectonic plate, the land underneath Arctic is 100% Russian. And if anyone disagrees they will have to face Russian military. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
What "war" have we asked the U.S to fight for us? Our soldiers are in Afganistan fighting your "war". Actually fighting and dying and doing some real good hard work for the american people(more like economy), unlike some other so-called NATO allies. Canada has not been terrorist attacked. You better think twice who uses who. There is no treaty which allows the U.S to just cruise around in Canadian territory without telling them. Trust me when I say I KNOW this causes a LOT of consternation with Canadian military personel. It is hard to defend sovereignity against anyone(3 spanish trawlers took alllll the fish awwwayy...), if you have to pussy foot around the the U.S. With so called "allies" like this who needs enemies.
we have some options to prevent Russia from stealing the North Pole: 1) NUKE THOSE RUSSKIS 2) steal their vodka 3) bribe them with vodka 4) slip Putin poisoned vodka there's a way out, my friends!
