Russia may stop implementing a key defence treaty because of concerns over US plans for a missile shield in Europe, President Vladimir Putin said.

If there was no progress at upcoming talks between Nato and Russia, Russia would "look at the possibility of ceasing our commitments under the CFE treaty", he said.

The US wants to station 10 interceptor missiles in Poland, with radar operations in the Czech Republic - which Russia strongly opposes.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6594379.stm

the US and russia have been through this before. how can one forget the cuban missile crisis?

my opinion? it's a ploy from both sides for some obscure political reason, quite possibly some kind of balance of power.

The world is right now in a transition of power.

Why should anyone be nervous or scared or whatever about a DEFENSIVE shield? Are they planning to send any missiles or what?

Baron Max

The world is right now in a transition of power.

The world has always been in a transition of power ...ever since the first man stood upright on the African plains.

Baron Max

dont worry max, its only a defence shield, nothing will happen. what if your neighbour set up a barrage of RPGs pointing at your house and called it a defence shield, im sure you wouldnt be so supportive of it when you would be on the receiving end.

dont worry max, its only a defence shield, nothing will happen.

Well, I know it, and now you know it, .....so why doesn't the damned Russians know it? Geez!

what if your neighbour set up a barrage of RPGs pointing at your house and called it a defence shield, im sure you wouldnt be so supportive of it when you would be on the receiving end.

Well, if he said it was defensive, then I'd believe him and support his efforts at defense. Surely he wouldn't lie about it.

Baron Max

if only everyone was able to see that the US government is incapable of teling lies.

Russia has reason to be on the defensive. We've brought Eastern Europe into NATO, got permission to build bases in the Stans -Temporarily- then the US states they are permanent. We are stoking the anti Russian movement in Ukraine, offering no help in Chechnya, actually aiding critics of Russia's own 'war on terror' and the US is pushing for a nuke umbrella over it's former territory in central Asia. The US is trying to destabilize Iran to install a Shah 2 and water rights in central Asia are not going Russia's way as US backed dictatorships in the Stan's drain resources. Russia has every reason to be on the defensive. The US is surrounding her.

Russia has reason to be on the defensive.

Well, that's just tough shit, ain't it ....'cause they can't do a damned thing about it but flap their damned jaws and whine like wimps and little girls.

Baron Max

USA has put/ is putting rocket bases in poland and radars in Czechoslovakia. This means Russia will have to make same # of rocket bases and radars to take out each of those new bases. It is an appropriate action to the hostility from the USA and UN.

Russia will prevail, is just matter of time. Unless US do something crazy.

USA has put/ is putting rocket bases in poland and radars in Czechoslovakia. This means Russia will have to make same # of rocket bases and radars to take out each of those new bases. It is an appropriate action to the hostility from the USA and UN.

Oh, goody, goody!! Maybe we'll finally get back to the good old days of the Cold War, ...when men were men, and weapons were huge! No more of this bullshit of a few sticks of dynamite shoved up some Arabs ass that he lights off to "heroically" kill a couple of little kids!

Baron Max

Russia will prevail, is just matter of time. Unless US do something crazy.

Prevail at what?

Baron Max

USA has put/ is putting rocket bases in poland and radars in Czechoslovakia. This means Russia will have to make same # of rocket bases and radars to take out each of those new bases. It is an appropriate action to the hostility from the USA and UN.The US is building a new cold war axis. Promises by the US of Russian gain by the Turkey to Central Asia oil pipeline were also dropped. Now Russia is completely bypassed. Americans have never been able to understand Consequences.

Prevail at what?

Baron Max

US will not put those rockets in Poland nor the radars in Czech, Russia won't let that to happen.

Whatever happens between Us and russia, russia will win

Genji, you use to amuse me, now your just plan pathetic, I am waiting to here some day that a janitor in Ohio went postal.

Whatever happens between Us and russia, russia will winThat much is obvious. The US got it's ass kicked in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and northern Korea. Not a chance our army of rednecks could win against Monaco! Let alone Russia.

Well, that's just tough shit, ain't it ....'cause they can't do a damned thing about it but flap their damned jaws and whine like wimps and little girls.

And people wonder why others hate us or why they would try and do something like destroy the WTC..

Americans have never been able to understand Consequences.

Heh, yup.

- N

Russia is pregnant with weird mixture of nationalism, fascism and imperialism + tonnes of self-glorification. Something is brewing there, and I greatly doubt that that something is to the good. They are experiencing some mighty leap into the past. It's so sad.

That much is obvious. The US got it's ass kicked in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and northern Korea. Not a chance our army of rednecks could win against Monaco! Let alone Russia.

perhaps in a strict war where it is only russia vs only the USA, US might win but the rednecks have few allies willing to defend them in a war, whereas russia has much much more.

Russia is pregnant with weird mixture of nationalism, fascism and imperialism + tonnes of self-glorification. Something is brewing there, and I greatly doubt that that something is to the good. They are experiencing some mighty leap into the past. It's so sad.

keeP watching BBC shit and other western ProPaganda and thats how you will feel all the time.

keeP watching BBC shit and other western ProPaganda and thats how you will feel all the time.

What for? I have more direct and personal sources of info. You should visit mother Russia more frequently before it will turn into the Fourth Reich.

keeP watching BBC shit and other western ProPaganda and thats how you will feel all the time.

Compared to what? :rolleyes:

Compared to what? :rolleyes:

VGTRK

That much is obvious. The US got it's ass kicked in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and northern Korea. Not a chance our army of rednecks could win against Monaco! Let alone Russia.
You do realize that all those lost conflicts were pretty much due to bad politics, don't you? Let someone invade this country and try to attack those armed rednecks that wouldn't have to take orders from some bureaucrat that's full of shit. I doubt any redneck would be very sympathetic to invaders. Do you remember the move Red Dawn?
You also forget we have nukes; and we are the only country who has ever used them. I'm pretty sure that we have more nukes than Mother Russia, at least more functional ones anyway.
I'm not necessarily condoning this hypothesis, but that's the way something could happen.

perhaps in a strict war where it is only russia vs only the USA, US might win but the rednecks have few allies willing to defend them in a war, whereas russia has much much more.
And where are those allies, if not secret? Empires, even crippled to the point of incapacitation, have neither allies nor friends, because nobody likes being bossed around. Prior to getting excited that someone is barking at USA, one would need to have a close look at that someone. Russian Emperialism is no better than American. We lived in the two polar world already. It must have been golden age, I guess, that some people are getting excited of thye thought about two polar world #2.

Besides, it's impossible. Russian "elite" is built in the Western financial system, it depends on it for its survival as "elite". Russian, mostly raw material, economy is a part of the World economy.

You do realize that all those lost conflicts were pretty much due to bad politics, don't you? Let someone invade this country and try to attack those armed rednecks that wouldn't have to take orders from some bureaucrat that's full of shit. I doubt any redneck would be very sympathetic to invaders. Do you remember the move Red Dawn?
You also forget we have nukes; and we are the only country who has ever used them. I'm pretty sure that we have more nukes than Mother Russia, at least more functional ones anyway.
I'm not necessarily condoning this hypothesis, but that's the way something could happen.Red Dawn! You gotta be joking. The movie about Cubans invading...COLORADO and the local high school football team saves the day!:rolleyes: I wouldn't read too much into that mate! It was a movie. A bad movie.:p

I wonder where are those redneck everybody is making jokes about? Rednecks are almost gone as class, substituted by wetbacks and machinery. Some of them turned into "white trash" (that's american attitude, not mine). Some, got rid of that southern accent to climb corporate ladder, some stuck in between. But rednecks are soooooo GONE. Southern accent is next.

And where are those allies, if not secret? Empires, even crippled to the point of incapacitation, have neither allies nor friends, because nobody likes being bossed around. Prior to getting excited that someone is barking at USA, one would need to have a close look at that someone. Russian Emperialism is no better than American. We lived in the two polar world already. It must have been golden age, I guess, that some people are getting excited of thye thought about two polar world #2.

Besides, it's impossible. Russian "elite" is built in the Western financial system, it depends on it for its survival as "elite". Russian, mostly raw material, economy is a part of the World economy.

It's gonna be another cold war, this time probably with China and the US. Who will you pick? probably obvious, most of the world will side with China, as china sides with russia and china is vital to US economy

It's gonna be another cold war, this time probably with China and the US. Who will you pick? probably obvious, most of the world will side with China, as china sides with russia and china is vital to US economy

Looks like World is running out of resources to play that oldfashioned geopolitic crap again and again. Not going to happen. Besides, China and Russia have home old land grudges. 1.3 billions could have used some land Russian Empire stole from them 150 years ago.

Genji

1. Russia has reason to be on the defensive.

Why?

2. We've brought Eastern Europe into NATO, got permission to build bases in the Stans -Temporarily- then the US states they are permanent.

Eastern Europe remembers 55 years of Soviet oppression, and how the Russians, treated them after WWII, so do you blame them for wanting into NATO to guaranty their own borders, remember they requested on their own membership into NATO, they had no choice about the WARSAW Pact.


3. We are stoking the anti Russian movement in Ukraine,

Poisoning a Main Candidate in the Ukrainian Elections, didn't have a thing to do with this?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis45.html

Five years ago, I wrote a column about the unknown Holocaust in Ukraine. I was shocked to receive a flood of mail from young Americans and Canadians of Ukrainian descent telling me that until they read my article, they knew nothing of the 1932–33 genocide in which Stalin's regime murdered 7 million Ukrainians and sent 2 million to concentration camps.

Crimes of Communism Against Ukraine And Her People
Wellspring Ltd, Toronto, Canada ,1996; "Stalin's Massacre of the Bandurysty, Ukraine's Blind Peasant Minstrels" From: Dmitrii Shostakovich "Testimony: The ...
http://www.artukraine.com/commcrimes/

GULAG: NO ESCAPE FOR GULAG'S FORMER PRISONERS
Vorkuta was the last of Stalin's infamous gulags. Ukrainians are still trapped there
Julius Strauss in Vorkuta, Russia, Telegraph, London, UK, Jan 3, 2004

(Yes the U.S. is generating anti-Russian feeling? It looks like the Russians have done well enough by them selves)

CRIMES OF COMMUNISM: MOSCOW REJECTS PLEAS FOR
COMPENSATION FOR UKRAINE'S VICTIMS OF STALINISM
Victims of the 1932-1933 Famine and Stalin-time Purges, Interfax news
agency, Moscow, BBC Monitoring Service, UK, Nov.29, 2002

HOW BIG WAS STALIN'S GULAG?
Comments about Michael Ellman's article
"Soviet Repression Statistics: Some Comments," Europe-Asia Studies
by Stephen D. Shenfield, Editor, JRL Research and Analytical Supplement
January 15, 2003

SOVIET CRIMES REMAIN UNPUNISHED
More than a decade after the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine has yet
to come to terms with the legacy of Soviet crimes against humanity
By Taras Kuzio, The Kyiv Post, Kyiv, Ukraine, October 3, 2002

http://www.artukraine.com/commcrimes/kilfield2.htm

"The FSB have denied that mass executions were carried out here and denied that there is any information in their archives that could prove otherwise. The FSB still identify with the NVKD and still refer to themselves as Chekisti," said Mrs Flige in a reference to a Russian nickname for secret policemen.

POSSIBLE SOVIET-ERA MASS GRAVE DISCOVERED AT UKRAINIAN MONASTERY
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Newsline
Vol. 6, No. 132, Part II
17 July 2002

"STALIN AND THE UKRAINIAN FAMINE OF 1932-1933--NEW FINDINGS"
"Dr. Martin has found unequivocal evidence that Stalin was aware of existing
famine conditions. He was also able to establish a clear linkage
between the Famine and Stalin's personal view of Soviet nationalities policy"
Lecture by Dr. Terry Martin
Member--Committee on Ukrainian Studies
Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute (HURI)
Harvard University
For the Annual Commemoration of the Victims of the Soviet-engineered Famine in Ukraine
Toronto, Canada, November 20, 2001
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3. offering no help in Chechnya, actually aiding critics of Russia's own 'war on terror'

The Russians seem to disagree with you?

http://www.cdi.org/russia/173.html##6

Jamestown Foundation Monitor WESTERN LEADERS RE-EVALUATE THEIR STANCE ON CHECHEN WAR

Jamestown Foundation Monitor
September 27, 2001

WESTERN LEADERS RE-EVALUATE THEIR STANCE ON CHECHEN WAR. President Vladimir Putin's declaration of support for the U.S.-led campaign is clearly causing some Western leaders to re-evaluate their governments' stance vis-a-vis Russia's military campaign in Chechnya. Both German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi yesterday stressed the need to "evaluate things differently" in relation to Chechnya, given the growing threat of Islamic fundamentalism (Deutsche Presse-Agentur, September 27). Russian observers have also noted what they see as a tacit shift in U.S. policy vis-a-vis the conflict in Chechnya

4. and the US is pushing for a nuke umbrella over it's former territory in central Asia.

I have done a Google search, and no were do I find any information of the U.S. trying to place a offensive or defensive nuclear umbrella over any of Central Asia?, maybe you could provide some links?


5. The US is trying to destabilize Iran to install a Shah 2

21 March 2007
Russia puts the screws to Iran?
As if the clerical fascists in Tehran didn't have enough problems already with high-level defections, a crumbling economy, and serious ethnic unrest in their empire, the Russians have just backed out of their deal to build a nuclear reactor at Bushehr.

The public reason for Russia's reneging has been Iran's failure to make scheduled payments, but there's speculation that information provided by defectors (such as former IRGC General Asgari) may have convinced the Russians that finishing Bushehr was not in their interests. I tend to doubt that, however. The Russians and the Iranians are centuries-old rivals in Central Asia, and I doubt Moscow has any illusions about Persian intentions. However, as Austin Bay points out, Europe is a much more important customer to Russia than Iran, and the Europeans are not thrilled with the prospect of Iranian nukes aimed their way. It may be that the Russians did a cost-benefit analysis and decided they had more to gain by keeping the EU happy than they would lose by stiffing Iran.

LINKS: Ed Morrissey thinks this situation put Ahmadinejad in a very tight spot.

6. and water rights in central Asia are not going Russia's way as US backed dictatorships in the Stan's drain resources.

And why? do those countries remember what dealing with the Russians can cost? do those countries themselves need the water for their own people?, should those countries kiss Russians ass, so the Russians have water? I doubt it, so please provide links to prove that it is the U.S. at fault.

7. Russia has every reason to be on the defensive. The US is surrounding her.

The countries that are around the borders of Russia, have long memories, and have been under the Iron Hand of the Russians at various time in their histories, so why should they make any concessions to the Russian? why shouldn't they make treaties with other countries to protect their sovereignty , form Russian Adventuresome?

Buffalo Roam: Kazakhstan proved itself as a nation that can control itself and thus was given huuuuge chunk of land for their sovereignity. Cehchnya has not just no proven itself, it has proven that is is incompetent to do anything at all, thus the Chechen massacre.

draqon, wear were we discussing Kazakhstan? and what does this have to do with the Russians problems with former iron curtain countries? and the central eastern countries? much of Russia's problems are generated by the Russians themselves, they were not very good to their allies in eastern europe after WWII, or in the cold war, everything went to Russia, not much went back, and most of the countries that Russia occupied after WWII were not the enemy, Nazis, they were conquered by the Nazis, subjugated, and what did the Russians do for them after the war, strip their economies, and industrial infrastructure, and like in Poland, remember the Kaytn Forrest, how many other forests were there in eastern europe?

draqon, wear were we discussing Kazakhstan? and what does this have to do with the Russians problems with former iron curtain countries? and the central eastern countries? much of Russia's problems are generated by the Russians themselves, they were not very good to their allies in eastern europe after WWII, or in the cold war, everything went to Russia, not much went back, and most of the countries that Russia occupied after WWII were not the enemy, Nazis, they were conquered by the Nazis, subjugated, and what did the Russians do for them after the war, strip their economies, and industrial infrastructure, and like in Poland, remember the Kaytn Forrest, how many other forests were there in eastern europe?

who the **** do you call allies? ****nosed Latvians, Estonian, Lithuanians, and polish? they did a ****, they delinquently lost to Germany and poor ol' polish suffering :bawl: oh my :p , none of these so called allies did anything but helped Germans. All these countries supported Nazis thats why there was this so called massacre when all it was is once again other polish ****'s who decided to go with the NAZIS.

Go look at Estonia now. Look at how they hate the Soviet presence in their country. Look at how Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians...and other **** load name bugger countries embrace Nazi standards. What else was there for Russia to do than to invade those countries?!! If Russia would not have invaded them than they would roost new Nazis and invade Russia just like back in the old time in past centuries.

And now these ****'s polish are putting the rocket launchers targeted at Russia and Czech are putting the radars pointed at Russia. Added to that poland is pushing its ****'ty meat to be sold to Russia when it has rocket bases against Russia being built there. Can you imagine the arrogance?!!!(http://www.huliq.com/19937/russia-says-poland-should-break-trade-talks-impasse)

So Yes, Russia needs to pull out of the NATO pact(http://www.kommersant.com/p762965/Lavrov_NATO_Treaty/). Russia needs to build new bases with rockets set at targets to poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, and others who decide otherwise.

In fact its time to pull out of this so called illusionary peace treaty.

In fact its time to pull out of this so called illusionary peace treaty.I agree. Russia should also seize all of it's former territories: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgystan, Turkmensitan, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, the Baltics, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia. Then invade Eastern Europe.

I agree. Russia should also seize all of it's former territories: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgystan, Turkmensitan, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, the Baltics, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia. Then invade Eastern Europe.

No Russia should keep (and will keep) all those countries sovereign as they are politically mature enough to govern themselves. Eastern Europe is for all the other countries that are Baltic, they are by themselves and they should not be touched.

As for Georgia...Russia needs to eradicate this country or at least change its regime. (Georgia, is the country behind the Chechen war)

draqon

polish?

and polish? they did a ****, they delinquently lost to Germany and poor ol' polish suffering

From history the Russian helped the Germans to kill Poland, Germany from the west, Russia from the east, Kind of hard to do your part when you are stabbed in the back, Long the the Polish Freedom fighters, Remember Kaytn, remember the Betrayal of the Russian.

Yes Stalin, helped Hitler, fire the first shots of WWII, and then helped Hitler keep it going.

The Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact
1, 1939 Germans invade Poland. Sept. 3, 1939 British declare war on Germany ... Letter to Adolf Hitler from Joseph Stalin as quoted in Alan Bullock, ...
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa072699.htm

On August 14, 1939, German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop contacted the Soviets to arrange a deal. Ribbentrop met with the Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov in Moscow and together they arranged two pacts - the economic agreement and the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact.
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(A translation of the letter between Stalin and Hitler)
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To the chancellor of the German Reich, Herr A. Hitler.

I thank you for your letter. I hope that the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact will mark a decisive turn for the better in the political relations between our two countries. . . .

J. Stalin*

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The Economic Agreement
The first pact was an economic agreement, which Ribbentrop and Molotov signed on August 19, 1939.
The economic agreement committed the Soviet Union to provide food products as well as raw materials to Germany in exchange for furnished products such as machinery from Germany.

During the first years of the war, this economic agreement helped Germany bypass the British blockade.

(For two years Stalin and Russia did nothing to stop Germany),

The Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact
On August 23, 1939, four days after the economic agreement was signed and a little over a week before the beginning of World War II, Ribbentrop and Molotov signed the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact. (The pact is also referred to as the German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact and the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.)

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Aug. 14, 1939
Ribbentrop contacts the Soviets

Aug. 19, 1939
Economic agreement signed

Aug. 23, 1939
Non-Aggression Pact signed

Sept. 1, 1939
Germans invade Poland

Sept. 3, 1939
British declare war on Germany

Sept. 17, 1939
Soviets invade eastern Poland

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Publicly, this agreement stated that the two countries - Germany and the Soviet Union - would not attack each other. If there were ever a problem between the two countries, it was to be handled amicably. The pact was supposed to last for ten years; it lasted for less than two.


What was meant by the terms of the pact was that if Germany attacked Poland, then the Soviet Union would not come to its aid. Thus, if Germany went to war against the West (especially France and Great Britain) over Poland, the Soviets were guaranteeing that they would not enter the war; thus not open a second front for Germany.

The Secret Protocol

The secret protocol held an agreement between the Nazis and Soviets that greatly affected Eastern Europe. For the Soviets for agreeing to not join the possible future war, Germany was giving the Soviets the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania). Poland was also to be divided between the two - along the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers.
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(And you blame the Baltic States, their fate was sealed before the war even started, they were given to Stalin and Russia by the Germans)

Germany was giving the Soviets the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania).

Yes tell me how great Russia was under Stalin, and how Poland and the Baltic state didn't do their part? Can you say back stabbing, double crossing, mother fucking Russians.

draqon

And now these ****'s polish are putting the rocket launchers targeted at Russia and Czech are putting the radars pointed at Russia. Added to that poland is pushing its ****'ty meat to be sold to Russia when it has rocket bases against Russia being built there. Can you imagine the arrogance?!!!(http://www.huliq.com/19937/russia-sa...-talks-impasse)

So Yes, Russia needs to pull out of the NATO pact(http://www.kommersant.com/p762965/Lavrov_NATO_Treaty/). Russia needs to build new bases with rockets set at targets to poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia, and others who decide otherwise.

As usual the russian blackmail of the weak, for defending themselves.

Can you imagine the arrogance?

What of wanting to defend themselves from being stabbed in the Back by the Russians again?


Remember the Pact.
Poland was also to be divided between the two - along the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers.

Remember Kaytn.

Remember that the Russians invaded Poland with Germany.


The Secret Protocol

The secret protocol held an agreement between the Nazis and Soviets that greatly affected Eastern Europe. For the Soviets for agreeing to not join the possible future war, Germany was giving the Soviets the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania). Poland was also to be divided between the two - along the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers

The Poles have a long memory, and a long history of what Russians have done to them, this is just the resent history.

The Russians also have a long memory of what poland have done to them in past centuries.

Buffalo Roam, I see the reality now. And reality now is Russia needs new defenses against its long time enemies. And it is doing precisely this and I fully support this. And if war comes and I am asked to come back to Russia ( I am a citizen), I WILL FIGHT these Baltic countries that constantly stir up shit in my country. Enough said.

draqon

Buffalo Roam, I see the reality now. And reality now is Russia needs new defenses against its long time enemies. And it is doing precisely this and I fully support this. And if war comes and I am asked to come back to Russia ( I am a citizen), I WILL FIGHT these Baltic countries that constantly stir up shit in my country. Enough said.

Who is the real enemy? the Baltic States?, the Poles?, the countries of Eastern Europe? who had their economies stripped, and peoples subjugated, No it is the Russians, and yes the Russian deserve every thing that is happening to them now. I hope the Poles, the people of Eastern Europe, and the Baltic state remember long and hard what the Russians have done to them, along with the states of the old Soviet Union.

draqon



Who is the real enemy? the Baltic States?, the Poles?, the countries of Eastern Europe? who had their economies stripped, and peoples subjugated, No it is the Russians, and yes the Russian deserve every thing that is happening to them now. I hope the Poles, the people of Eastern Europe, and the Baltic state remember long and hard what the Russians have done to them, along with the states of the old Soviet Union.

you fool, Eastern Europe countries have brought it upon themselves. They are to weak to defend themselves and to noble to join Russia. The many wars amongst themselves and Russia in the past is the cause of the apathy of Russia towards Eastern Europe. people quote Stalin as being the most totalitarian leader ever, well Russia suffered the most from this leader from Georgia.

You keep on repeating that Russia has divided amongst the Nazis the territory of Poland and other countries...well if this Poland is a country why wasn't it smart enough to grow large and Powerful to influence other countries and for once to be able to stand up to a fight.

If you are a country which is sovereign well than prove it. And they did not, because their bravado of themselves is all they have with nothing to back it up. Losers, baltic fractions calling themselves countries.

draqon

You keep on repeating that Russia has divided amongst the Nazis the territory of Poland and other countries...well if this Poland is a country why wasn't it smart enough to grow large and Powerful to influence other countries and for once to be able to stand up to a fight.

You don't even know if Poland is a country, and you are pontificating about the world situation? Well may be the reason for Poland's actions are just so they can grow strong and tell you Russians to go piss up a rope, and it appears that they are doing a fine job of it, so do some research into the causes of WWII, and who stabbed the Poles in the Back when they were attacked by Germany, and the west didn't have sense enough to declare war against the Russians as well as the Germans for attacking Poland in 1939.

draqon



You don't even know if Poland is a country, and you are pontificating about the world situation? Well may be the reason for Poland's actions are just so they can grow strong and tell you Russians to go piss up a rope, and it appears that they are doing a fine job of it, so do some research into the causes of WWII, and who stabbed the Poles in the Back when they were attacked by Germany, and the west didn't have sense enough to declare war against the Russians as well as the Germans for attacking Poland in 1939.

why are you defending them? Poland cant defend itself, is that why? Their meat is craP. Their culture isnt far fetched. They havent got much brains. The country isnt much itself. Playing like a bunny all the time...."Oh I am so innocent" is their motto, :p .

Who are you anyways, a Brit? So whats your Problem?

If the US is allowed to install air defence systems in Poland, why was the US so up-in-arms against Russia selling Iran the Tor-M1 air missile defence system?

If the US is allowed to install air defence systems in Poland, why was the US so up-in-arms against Russia selling Iran the Tor-M1 air missile defence system?Because the US and Israel can invade, bomb, occupy whomever they wish, they think no one else can.

why are you defending them? Poland cant defend itself, is that why? Their meat is craP. Their culture isnt far fetched. They havent got much brains. The country isnt much itself. Playing like a bunny all the time...."Oh I am so innocent" is their motto, :p .

Who are you anyways, a Brit? So whats your Problem?

Poles are ok, nowhere near as bad as Russians...geuss thats the gist of it:D

draqon

why are you defending them? Poland cant defend itself, is that why? Their meat is craP. Their culture isnt far fetched. They havent got much brains. The country isnt much itself. Playing like a bunny all the time...."Oh I am so innocent" is their motto, .

Who are you anyways, a Brit? So whats your Problem?

Who am I? for one I am not a bigoted Russian slob, two I read history, and the russians history from WWII isn't pretty, they helped Hitler to start it and then when they couldn't defend themselves from the Hitler war machine, they demanded that the west bail them out of their own stew, and as for Poland, they provided the russian leadership with the best pharmaceuticals for their own use in health care while the working class did do with the crap that was produced in the russian labs, as for my problem it is the fact that you are like samcdkey, you don't look at the past of your own country and want to blame your problems on ever other country in the world, look at what Russia did to Poland in 1939, they got along side Hitler to carve up Poland, and the Baltic states, they provided supplies to Hitler to help him get around the embargo that the British and allies had in effect so as to stop Hitler's war machine, and Stalin allowed Hitler to grow strong enough to attack Russia, when Hitler was ready and contributed to the deaths of millions of people besides the ethnic Russians, the Georgians, Ukrainians, Kosacks, Armenians, Altaïens, Tatars, Tchouvaches, Bachkir, Buriats, Karelians, Byelorussians, Daguines, Avars, Lesghians, Kumiks, Lacks, Tasbassarans, Azeris, Yakuts, Kabards, Balkars, Kalmukes, Karachaïsse, Cherkess, Abkhazians, Mordves and another 100 nationalities in the Soviet Union during WWII.

Looks like World is running out of resources to play that oldfashioned geopolitic crap again and again. Not going to happen. Besides, China and Russia have home old land grudges. 1.3 billions could have used some land Russian Empire stole from them 150 years ago.

It's not impossible, there will defintely be some global power struggles between China and America, and I believe china will have more of an influence. A growing country would not side with a dying country.

Also, if it all came down to it, China would have Russia's back etc. because Russia has given it long term political help as well as it has helped China develop its government, and they both are, if not enemies, not exactly on good terms with the USA (China hell no)

Because the US and Israel can invade, bomb, occupy whomever they wish, they think no one else can.

It is obvious that america fears competitors. The hypocracy (forgive me if I spelled that incorrectly) of it is that America tries to stop what it supports. Nukes? Iran can't have them but israel can, what a great example.

Norsefire are you sure?

Also, if it all came down to it, China would have Russia's back etc. because Russia has given it long term political help as well as it has helped China develop its government, and they both are, if not enemies, not exactly on good terms with the USA (China hell no)

And remember what the Russians did to Poland and the Baltic Countries, the Chinese are not stupid, they remember their history, and Russia's to. Do you think China could use the oil resources in Siberia?

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Read this article, the Chinese and Russians have a long history of fighting each other.

http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/ussuri.htm

whatever more of the world will go with China than america

Norsefire, And China under communism has many of the same problems in foreign policy around the world, so I doubt your conclusion.

I dont doubt that you are just another israel lover. no offense but I cannot hold your opinion to be unbiased, and I am sure you feel the same way about me.

But we shall see who is the ultimate victor