How terrible of a human being do you have to be. To have your own Blood back someone else in the Presidential election? If a man can't keep his own family together, how in the hell is he going to keep the country together? No one knows you better then your own kin. So if they're not supporting him, what does that say about those who are? Complete idiots if you ask me.

Rudy Giuliani's daughter is supporting Barack Obama.
By Lucy Morrow Caldwell
Posted Monday, Aug. 6, 2007, at 11:49 AM ET

Click above to view Caroline Giuliani's Facebook profile
There's one vote that Rudy Giuliani definitely can't count on in his 2008 presidential bid: his own daughter's. According to the 17-year-old Caroline Giuliani's Facebook profile, she's supporting Barack Obama.

On her profile, she designates her political views as "liberal" and—until this morning—proclaimed her membership in the Facebook group "Barack Obama (One Million Strong for Barack)." According to her profile, she withdrew from the Obama group at 6 a.m. Monday, after Slate sent her an inquiry about it.

In what may be an effort to avoid public connection to her famous father, the future Harvard freshman and recent graduate of Trinity School in Manhattan uses a slight variation of her name on the Facebook site. But she didn't lock her profile, allowing any Facebook user with access to the Harvard or Trinity School networks (more than 42,000 people) to view her detailed profile. (As a Harvard student, I was able to see it.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2171730


If that wasn't bad enough, this is the clincher right here

Rudolph Giuliani would be 'terrible' president
By Philip Sherwell in New York, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 2:13am BST 06/08/2007

The former top antiterrorism aide to Rudolph Giuliani has launched a stinging critique of the former New York mayor over the September 11 atrocity, attacking a key pillar of his challenge for the White House.


Rudolph Giuliani's nomination campaign owes much to his role on September 11


Jerome Hauer, New York's emergency management director from 1996 to 2000, said Mr Giuliani was closely involved in locating the city's crisis control room in the World Trade Centre complex, even though it was a known terrorist target after the 1993 truck bomb attack which killed six people at the site.

The location proved disastrous in 2001 as the building was set ablaze in the collapse of the adjoining twin towers.

The condemnation by Mr Hauer, a leading US expert on biological and chemical terrorism, provides fresh ammunition to Mr Giuliani's foes, who want to undermine the widespread acclaim for his actions in the aftermath of al-Qaeda's attack on the towers. It follows similar criticism from the main firemen's union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/05/wrudy105.xml

So lets see, His own Daughter doesn't support him, his own X-Terrorism Chief doesn't support him, nor does the Fire Fighters Union support him.

That only shows how unorganized the Republicans are...that even their family members go against their parents cause.

A note in from Atrios (
http://haloscan.com/tb/atrios/8631319636133959323), over at Eschaton, and I think it's a fair consideration:

I know there's no way I'm going to win this battle, but I would like to suggest that journalists shouldn't be quick to publicize information from facebook pages and spaces on the internets about people, especially minors, who aren't really public figures.

Flip a coin? What say ye? I mean, is it really this young lady's fault that her father is Rudy Giuliani? Is it really her fault that she did not inherit Rudy's lack of conscience? Is it really her fault that, like other human beings, she feels the need to express her opinion every once in a while?

I mean, imagine the conversation at a bar one night:

Suitor: So ... what do you do?

Reporter: I'm a journalist.

Suitor: That's fascinating. What are you working on these days?

Reporter: I'm scouring facebook for children of celebrities.

Who wouldn't look for a way out of that conversation? Oh, right, the drunk and desperate.

Let's not get too excited about this. It's refreshing to know that some Giuliani somewhere has some human worth, and I'm not going to abuse the girl by suggesting that it's just another teenage rebellion.

I would be more worried if Giuliani's kids were brain-dead zombies incapable of thinking for themselves.

I would be more worried if Giuliani's kids were brain-dead zombies incapable of thinking for themselves.

..."she goes to Harvard", does not necessarily mean she is not a brain-dead zombie

..."she goes to Harvard", does not necessarily mean she is not a brain-dead zombie

True 'nuff, but whether we accept that she has her own opinions, or malign her by writing this off as a teenage rebellion, it is still a sign that she is alive and thinking.

well I am voting for Hillary either way

A Clinton presidency is an idea I would support. I actually think she'd do an excellent job, but above all else, she has a certain thing against her in my book. It's not her womanhood, but if I don't say what it is, it's because the GOP might actually be able to do something with it. I'm sure other people recognize it, but it finally hit me squarely last night, and that point made it virtually impossible for her to get my support at the caucus ... even if I actually manage to make it to the caucus this time.

I know many people who are terrible fathers or husbands, but really great managers. Then again, I also know many people with lousy, ungrateful, good-for-nothing-but-complaining kids, who are great managers. Part of the reason he may be estranged from his kids may well be his tendency to work all the time, and then philander on their mothers with his assistants. That seems like a better candidate theory for his familial troubles than "he's a terrible human being." Is his daughter abandoning him because she doesn't like his stand on gun control? Or abortion? Or because "he hurt mommy's feelings and was never around!!!"

I don't think I'm looking for a Daddy-in-Chief. While his inability to run his personal life is evidence that he's not the "perfect" candidate in every single respect...who is? Are we going to hold it against Hillary that she couldn't satisfy Bill enough to keep his eye from wandering too? Does she get the benefit of the doubt because she didn't have enough self-respect to divorce him (thus potentially making Chelsea resentful of him)?

It's certainly not wholly irrelevant to Giuliani's candidacy, but I'm not a social conservative, so I really don't care much about it.

well I am voting for Hillary either way

With the exception of Iraq, how does Hillary differ from Bush?

Part of the reason he may be estranged from his kids may well be his tendency to work all the time, and then philander on their mothers with his assistants. That seems like a better candidate theory for his familial troubles than "he's a terrible human being."

It's a fine point, but Giuliani is just a wretched human being in my book. If the symptoms of his wretchedness alienate his family, so be it. How his family feels about him in that sense isn't much my concern. His daughter doesn't have to hate him; having a conscience of her own and the will to use it is enough for me, and even speaks to Rudy's favor: at least he didn't destroy his kids.

Given his political record, that's actually a bright spot.

anyone know which candidate supports space expansion big time? I mean like going to Mars by 2040.

..."she goes to Harvard", does not necessarily mean she is not a brain-dead zombie

Guys... you can love or hate Giuliani, but this has nothing to do with the "organization". Giuliani married a die-hard Democrat and had children with her. He then raised those children, with the Democrat wife in one of the most liberal cities on Earth. I'd be surprised if they turned out to be Republican.

(note: Gany, I edited the title of this thread because it contained superfluous wording)

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Oh give me a break you creppy bastards. How many of you would vote for your father?

With the exception of Iraq, how does Hillary differ from Bush?

Hillary even made the case for going to Iraq

Oh give me a break you creppy bastards. How many of you would vote for your father?

LOL! Not me. My dad's a hillbilly.

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LOL! Not me. My dad's a hillbilly.

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We should be treated like royalty. Never have to work etc.