I have a rather fun topic. What do you all think it takes for a man or a women to succeed in romance with the person they are attracted to? What kind of things do they have to do and say or what shouldn't they do or say? What kind of behaviors must they display or what behaviors shouldn't they display? How must they make themselves appear or not appear? What are excellent places to go on a date and what are places to avoid?

It takes a bit of innocence, in my opinion. People who have been hurt are scared to open up to others and therefore cannot be fully romantic towards their significant other.

Well, if everyone is unique, everyone is going to want different things. Surely you have to adapt to the person and know what they like and want?

Well, for starters, the men should expand the air in their throats so that it bulges outward. I understand the women really dig this.

The women can push their tail feathers outward to attract the males.

Going against the grain is a great way to score. For example, I hear of some men that swim upstream against the current in order to engage in a form of intercourse.

Also, try to steer clear of very diverse relationships. For example, some males may wish to be wary of female partners that are about 3 times their size and have the tendency to entertain thoughts of post-coital consumption.

Sniffing. Sniffing anything for any reason has quite the effect on women, men, and inanimate poles. It's a rather fine means of extracting pheromones from the air as well.

Places to go: the Kalahari, Australian Outback, Zoos.
Places to avoid: Kennels, Poaching grounds, the Rockies.

Anyway, I'm sure there's many other possible ways to attract that special someone, but this is about what I could come up with.

pragmathen:
Perfect!

I, for one, find it quite sweet when the male of my species decorates his nest with shiny black objects. However, I'm not that easy - bright, vibrant plumage and a loud "coo" are a must.

Public urintaiton works for me. It lets the women know that I am a respectable amoung my male peers and that I have a large terriotry which I can use to provide for her.

If all else fails head but a girl's boyfriend till they are no longer part of the picture.

and less clowning around but I guess we are all at different levels.

I guess maybe it would help if I said what I thought worked.

Paying too much attention to a girl is a definite no-no, it makes you look desperate. Eye-contact is likewise good only in moderation.

Being too generous is also a no-no because she will start using you for your money, try to find a balance here, but it is better to be cheap than a spendthrift, because you don't want to be seen as a fool. What woman is going to risk her livelihood to get involved with a complete fool?

Praise is important, because woman are very suseptible to flattery as are some men. Flattery can take you far some times, it can ruin you sometimes, like another poster said you have to know your people, but even then flattery can explode in your face.

Acting masculine is very important, especially for guys whom this may not come naturally for. Girls and woman want a man above all else, i.e. above a friend, intellectual partner, etc. Remember when it comes a romantic relationship the first concern is do I desire this person, will I want to and be comfortable sleeping with this person?

Being funny is important but different woman have different requirements on this. Some woman admire cleverness, others may demand a more genuine humor. Some people are flakey and shallow, some people are deep and thoughtful, it all comes down again to knowing your people.

Knowing what kind of woman you want and dressing appropriately is also important, again here not everything works for every woman. But do remember, woman are more particular then men as to who they will hang out with and who they will have sex with. Women do not necessarily have to be beautiful to attract good looking men, but guys, well how a guy looks is really not the important thing if you think about it. If he fits a particular mold then fine. You will see tubby guys hanging out with the hottest women because they like big manly men and tubby guys and there is not enough weight-lifting and fitness guys to go around. In comparison, to these weight-lifting/fitness dudes, the tubby guys are more fun, they are willing to chill with you at some dumb bar and waste their life drinking Heinekins and getting fatter. The weightlifting/fitness guys are also annoying because they are always too full of testosterone and behind their testosterone fueled chatter, they are quite boring to be with. Those tubby guys, or they don't even have to be tubby, just average joe Americans with average ambitions in life, don't really demand alot of life so woman are drawn to them and they are not afraid of a menage-a-trois with two guys and a girl, whereas other men might see that as gay. These guys are also not going to think too much which scares girls away, and they like sports (well some of them like sports just enough or can pretend they do) because most girls like sports and think that liking sports makes you tough and manly.

Anyway, places to take a date: restaurant but not too fancy to soon, museum=romantic death (if a girl wants to go on a museum date she isn't serious about you, she just wants to check out the museum or the exhibit and figures if she can get a date out of it too why not), park (depends on the park and how you use it, usually ok, picnic good idea unless guys that are hotter than you are rollerblading around with no shirts on), movie (best date option if you are looking for quick action because there is not alot of time for communication, especially since the movie takes up most of the date), other options=your just a weirdo.

Oh also, Sunday and weekday dates are a no-no, it means the girl is not serious about you. Don't accept anything but the best, you deserve to be respected. Friday or Saturday dates only or nothing at all.

There is no mathematical formula for romance just go with the flow.

And you use alot of gross generalization I jog and go to the gym and im really calm.

Hey fredx


Try to keep it fresh and unpredictable; avoid acting like a wus (ie being an overly nice guy); avoid desperation; be real; and don't delude yourself.

my $0.02

As for an interesting place to go on a date, try going to the city/downtown. All cities have that one weird neighborhood with far out vintage shops, cafes, and places to wander about.

-dave

Why is it that people have to do that? First of all, I know when I am generalizing or stereotyping, I am a generally smart and self-aware person, I can see what I doing or saying in my writings. You all don't have to point it out all the time. Secondly, generalizing and stereotyping can be useful to help us think about things and put things in perspective. We are taught to see generalizations as useless because they may not be 100% true, i.e. there may be exceptions to the rule. This is a very logical way of viewing things but it is not necessarily mindfull. We are taught to see stereotypes as bad, which is not necessarily true either, they can be usefull. I think the thing which makes us so judgmental is the "mental poison" that is spewed out by society to turn us into very rational robotic-like housewives.

I can understand if you don't think what I am saying is valid or if you think I am wrong, but don't stop to shout "look, he's generalizing" because I know I am.

I love in NY so those weird neighborhoods would either be Soho or the East Village. I think the East Village would be my best option here.

Try humility, humanity and humour, never fails, unless of course you happen to be the hunchback of notre dam's direct genetic offspring, in which case your only option is to beg.

YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD LOOKING AT A RESPECTABLE LEVEL don't tell me girls don't care about that....that's the biggest bullshit next to thos electric belts that give abs while you sit on your ass and watch TV. A sense of humor is a must and as corny as this may sound be yourself...if she/he still doesn't like you after you be yourself then you are better off. But good looks do a lot of work for you...i thought that having a great sense of humor, a good listener, caring about her would work but BULLSHIT...the girl looks right past you, she won't even know you exist...she'll be your friend and then go to the asshole that has the looks but the brains of a box of rocks......so yeah be aggresive in egtting the girl because you have to stand out these days in order to get any attention.

Strip naked and set your pubic hair on fire. Trust me.

Yeah but your generalizations arent that acurate I mean I know more people that can be Jocks that are really smart. They usually are kinda dorky though. I guess your right, srry :p

Above all else thought rophynol.

Well you originally asked:

Originally posted by fredx
What do you all think it takes for a man or a women to succeed in romance with the person they are attracted to?

But by reading your posts that followed that I realized you misphrased your original question.

Let me try to help you phrase the question to one that fits better what you seem to be looking for...

How can I manipulate shallow materialistic women into having sex with me?:rolleyes:

Oh...

And rename the thread from:
Romance...
to:
Help me get laid...

I especially appreciate your sense of irony, oh wait, you actually meant those things you said. ;)
,except for Xev, thats not irony is it? Still, I'm not sure if you would really want to have a man burn his pubic hair off? Do you not like pubic hair on men?

One Raven said:
"But by reading your posts that followed that I realized you misphrased your original question.

Let me try to help you phrase the question to one that fits better what you seem to be looking for...

How can I manipulate shallow materialistic women into having sex with me?"

Maybe thats my problem, I don't go for shallow materialistic women. Well actually I do, they just can hide it well for a while until I find them out. I think my ex-girlfriend was dating the dude before me because his dad was going to buy him his own bookstore upon graduating college, so even girls that may seem like there not all about that, may in fact be about that, but you can't be too judgemental, these are tough times and people will resort to any means necessary. The thing was that I thought she was too good for the guy she was dating before, and when I found out money was in the equation it pissed me off, because she was not the person I thought she was, i.e. she had a soul that was easily poisoned and polluted by the lies and evils of mass society. Of course I am not saying that love of money is necessarily bad, I am just saying that some people let it enter the core of their soul and let it poison them, i.e. they sell their soul to the devil.

As to the other thing, shallowness,I think my ex-girlfriend had parts of her that were shallow and parts that were smart, although looking back I wouldn't say she was necessarily deep. But that is as far as I want to go about her to protect her reputation eventhough none of you will ever know who she is anyway. It isn't nice to talk too much about people like this. I said enough, I made my point.

As to the last part of that phrase "sex with me", that is the rub isn't it? We all need sex now and again what are you gonna do? Are you going to make me look bad for seeking away to get it? Anyway, I do care about and like romance somewhat, there is something to be said about it. Its all a dance, it starts with romance and consumates with sex. Thats the game, like it, love it or dump it, it doesn't matter to me.

*Shrugs*
Manson's ex-bassist used to do it.
What can I say, men who torture themselves to win my approval and affection are hot as fucking hell. :)

Originally posted by Xev
Strip naked and set your pubic hair on fire. Trust me.


Already tried it...didn't work...*sigh*...but wait you said you find that hot...*grabs lighter and oil*



I don't know getting the oppsite gender is too hard.

(get it light it up, lighten up, ok, that was corny) Anyway, you didn't answer my question?

As to the other thing, shallowness,I think my ex-girlfriend had parts of her that were shallow and parts that were smart,

She is a person not a cartoon she is going to have more then 1 side. ;)

You are taking me very literally again...why not try and just understand what I am trying to say?

Anyway, you didn't answer my question?

No, I would not want my date to strip naked and set his pubic hair on fire. It'd be really cool at a concert or something, but sex would just be so totally awkward afterwords.

I didn't think so.

I didn't think so.

Damn, you're just too smart for me, fredx. And here I was figuring you'd buy into it completely and set your pubic hair on fire trying to impress some chick.

I actually never got the whole mystique of shaving completely. Trimming, yes, but both sexes look damn weird when completely shaved.

Now putting needles through your scrotum like Albert Fish....

valentino, make sure salty washes his hands before he gives you that high five.:)

Joeman said:

"Dress all black. Dye your hair black. Put some pins or rings through your nose, ears, face, nipples,.....

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What kind of things do they have to do and say or what shouldn't they do or say?
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It depends on what kind of woman you are dating. Here is a thing I would say "Bend over, bitch!""

Not every girl likes that look but it is pretty hip nowadays.

Telling her "bend over bitch" is not a bad idea, at the appropriate time although it might be wiser to leave off bitch or submit something else in it's stead because some girls don't like being called bitch and it may put a wrench in the gears. Still, I imagine that some do, ah, maybe they all do and they say they don't because that is what they feel they have to say to maintain their respect and dignity, I am not sure about all of this? I just tend to go with the flow when I am in a situation and I want to say and do something a little risque'. And sometimes you need to show these ladies who the boss is.

Oh also, do the people here think that girls are easily intimidated or are like "little bunny rabbits" (like the scene in the movie Swingers) to us men who are like wolves who must capture them like prey without at the same doing something which would scare them away or do you think it is all a game? In other words, do girls act like they are easily scared, creeped, weirded out on purpose to control men or are they naturally creatures who being less physical then males, are easy to put in an anxious or scared state. I personally don't think they are really that easy to intimidate, my mom for example would fight king kong if she was pissed off, I have never seen her cower, I think its all a game.

Also , what about this. Some woman and girls like to be checked out when they are walking in a supermarket, mall, park or even in a bar. You can check them out as you are passing them and they won't react, they will just keep on walking. Other women, if look at them or check them out will put on this annoyed look or this judgemental scowl like you are not good enough to look at them or something. These woman piss me off but I think it might be silly to get pissed off at this. Perhaps, these woman don't want to be objectified like a piece of meat but that is a load of crap, both guys and girls love to get checked out and admired. Some people are stuck up and their "stuckupness" is just ignorance or a rouse in the game to make themselves desired more because they are playing hard to get and are acting like they are hot stuff. Still, another explanation to their snobbiness is that it is a defense mechanism that they use to show they are not interested, that they have a man or to prevent them from danger, i.e. getting raped.

Maybe other guys don't get the "annoyed reaction", I really don't know, maybe I am too on my high horse and think I should get attention that they are not going to give me anyway. Still, it could very well be that they are in the thrall of strange customs which they are slaves to and cannot break free from.
Although guys are afflicted with it too, I think that judgementalness is the plague and central affliction of modern woman. Perhaps, they see a guy like me in the bookstore and give me that annoyed look at being checked out and instead of thinking, "wow, that guy looks interesting, I would like to talk to him, I can probably learn interesting things from him" they think "what use could come from talking to that bozo." Still, I know that everybody has their daily missions in life and their little "hidden" agendas, which they would never deviate from, but it would be interesting if people would stop for a minute and talk to that cute stranger in the bookstore or in CVS. The chances of it happening are slim, girls seem to know where to get what they want these days as in the past, but it seems that maybe they are far too content with mediocre things and should take more chances on things that might turn out great. Maybe, I am just cursed living a life around "commoner" chicks and need to find a princess, but the fact remains that the female chooses the male, so if they want society to improve, perhaps woman should start to put their money on a different kind of guy, and not that very "mediocre" type.

Xev said:
"Damn, you're just too smart for me, fredx."

Another fragment of truth. I am too smart for you. From your posts its seems you would be happier in life with a guy who is a little submissive and who you are a little smarter than. You like to be the authority, i.e. the expert. These silly posts are one thing, in real life I would be a "thorn in your side" because I am just as smart as you.

Another fragment of truth. I am too smart for you. From your posts its seems you would be happier in life with a guy who is a little submissive and who you are a little smarter than.

*Giggles* Actually, you are so off base. My tastes in men run towards those who are powerful and quite my intellectual equal.
I could easily be happy with a man who was completely submissive and my intellectual equal, but someone who just acceded to my will out of sheer sensuality? Ick. I'm going to go yell at Sevarin just because you've pissed me off, here.

You like to be the authority, i.e. the expert

Wrong again - I simply have to be the one in control. I don't particularly like being an authority - nor do I like commanding any more than I care for obeying (I think Arendt noted this, since you read her). However, I do need to be alpha.

These silly posts are one thing, in real life I would be a "thorn in your side" because I am just as smart as you.

On the contrary, you'd be a joy. You're delightfully arrogant and somewhat insecure when it comes to dominence. It'd be great to see if I could beat you or be forced to aknowledge you as equal.

you would chew me away with that logical/intellectual/analytical gobbily-gok and you would probably gather up your little posse of savages so you couldn't lose, but that shit doesn't impress me.

Anyway, you are looking for a powerful man with an amazingly refined and subtle intellect. Good fucking luck on that one. ha!

fredx,

Here's a novel, and apparently original, idea...
How about putting all the games, manipulations and strategies down and just being up-front, frank and your honest genuine true self with women you meet.

Why would you want to know what women would want you to look/behave/think like?

If you act in the way you think they want you to act, then you are playing a role for them, and they will be liking someone that they THINK you are rather than who you actually are and neither of you would be happy with each other.

If they don't like you for who you ARE, rather than who you are pretending to BE, then they don't like YOU.
Let it go, move on and find someone who DOES like you.

Or are you simply trying to get laid and no more?

I can tell you, from my wn experience, that the only man women want you to be is YOU.

Would you want a woman you are interested in pretend to be something she isn't to try and "land" you, or would you rather see a woman for who and what she is and base your decision on that?

You're a funny bunch. Fredx, want success with the "ladies" ? OK.

I will share with you the biggest tip in the world:

STOP BEING A SUBMISSIVE, SUPPLICATING BETA MALE!

That's IT. If you refuse to bend over for an attractive female you
want to bed, and instead show her what she'd be missing by NOT
taking you up on your offer, you WILL succeed. Trust me, I have
been experimenting with the information I found on another site
and the shit works: it's that simple...

You want the girls ? Be a fukn' player. By the time you're done
with them, they have already fallen head over heels for you.....

Of course, the girls here will never admit to it, but they keep
falling for the same stuff over and over because it's instinctual:
if you can provide it, they can't escape it.

The truth is out there ;)

I think sometimes you like someone right of the bat and hardly anything can make you not like them. But the reverse of this also works, there are some people who you are not attracted to at all and never will be no matter what they do.

you would chew me away with that logical/intellectual/analytical gobbily-gok and you would probably gather up your little posse of savages so you couldn't lose, but that shit doesn't impress me.

Righty-o, logic is a bad, scary thing. I don't blame you for not being impressed by it.

Anyway, you are looking for a powerful man with an amazingly refined and subtle intellect. Good fucking luck on that one. ha!

Thanks, I've had pretty good luck so far.

Does not the latter imply the former? Good lord, are you really this stupid?

You know I am not stupid. Xev, the "untameable", huh? Thats okay with me, but you are never going to be a happy person. You are like my mom and dad were up to a few weeks ago when I went ahead and called them "lightswitches". Remember, my words when you go back out into that big scary and crazy world, a tame person is a happy person.

Oh and to the others, when you are a player the person you end up playing is yourself in the long run. Damn players are the most arrogant people out there, they will never allow them to see its not so much how you make yourself appear than just find someone you could deal with hanging out with for the rest of your life. Whether you look like the macho stud who gets all the ladies numbers and makes your girlfriend jealous, or you are a desperate loser, in the end it really doesn't matter as long as you ended up with somebody and your not alone. I guess maybe most of you here don't understand that. I personally don't flirt with girls when I have a girlfriend and my ex-girlfriend didn't either. That was one great thing about our relationship looking back on it.

It really fucking hurts burning your pubic hair. How can I tell my wife it was an accident when my boxers are scorch free?

you got me on that one.

WOW....do they not see it...i mean really it's right in front of their eyes.....Xev and Fredx are made for each other....let's see; the constant fighting, always arguing, always trying to be the victor, self proclaimed intellects (rightfully so i may add), and always smug responses to each other.....you guys are in love, admit it, you two are made for each other:eek:. your like that girl and boy on the playground that always fight and 20 years later end up marrying each other.



Invite me to the wedding:D

but right for each other, no I don't think so. The reasons why it wouldn't work are also be right in front of your face but you are choosing not to see them. Anyway, you should also get Xev's opinion on this.

in addition: see I just said "no I don't think so", that is one of Xev's classic debate retorts, we are much too alike.

You know I am not stupid. Xev, the "untameable", huh? Thats okay with me, but you are never going to be a happy person.

I'll never be happy in the set of people who eat good, healthy food, drink in moderation, have twenty minutes of good, clean sex with their significant others and vote on party lines. I have too much of an impulse to set things on fire.

As for being happy overall, I wouldn't rule it out.

Ben:
It really fucking hurts burning your pubic hair. How can I tell my wife it was an accident when my boxers are scorch free?

Well sheesh, you should only burn your pubic hair off for your wife once you marry.

sargentlard:

Ah, no. Lay down the crackpipe. :)

One word from your conservative Republican revolutionary from the underground. Fuck you and grow up you fucking dumb bitch, I am sick of your sneak attacks, you are obviously too afraid of growing up to learn from me and to show respect. I am not talking to you anymore. Go to fucking hell you cunt.

Oh dear! Fredx is caffeinated and horny again.

but thanks for worrying. Anyway, I am serious I tried to lose her but she found away back into my posts and to talking to me. She likes my style too much and now shes cramping it.

I can't wait to see how this pans out
:cool:

Originally posted by fredx
One word from your conservative Republican revolutionary from the underground. Fuck you and grow up you fucking dumb bitch, I am sick of your sneak attacks, you are obviously too afraid of growing up to learn from me and to show respect. I am not talking to you anymore. Go to fucking hell you cunt.

Another victim of the classic Xev :D

Fredx:
One word from your conservative Republican revolutionary from the underground. Fuck you and grow up you fucking dumb bitch, I am sick of your sneak attacks, you are obviously too afraid of growing up to learn from me and to show respect. I am not talking to you anymore. Go to fucking hell you cunt.

Oh my, you're turning me on. I have to go...do something.

but thanks for worrying. Anyway, I am serious I tried to lose her but she found away back into my posts and to talking to me. She likes my style too much and now shes cramping it.

Dude, you do NOT have to reply to me. :p

Joeman: Shush now, my minion.

Xev & Fred = duelling banjoes.