I recently watched a program on "Rods" These are strange tiny objects that can appear on proples home movie footage when it is slowed right down. They appear to have gills like fish. Has anybody else seen these and what do you think of them? Are they some unknown type of animal or a UFO? If they are UFO's the Aliens must be tiny in them. LOL

Can anyone recommend a good book on this subject?

Best as I can tell from the evidence, they're not real...sorry to say. Its an artifact of video. Here's some sites

http://www.amsky.com/ufos/rods/
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mrodhoax.html
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Rod/seq.htm

-AntonK

Yeah, just like "ALL" crop circles are a hoax. Even the ones we can't duplicate.

Yeah just like "ALL" crop circles are a hoax. Even the ones we can't duplicate.

Originally posted by moving
Yeah just like "ALL" crop circles are a hoax. Even the ones we can't duplicate.

Doug Bower and Dave Chorley confessed to their hoaxes in 1991 and even demonstrated how they did them all..... and people still tout this as real?

Which crop circles couldn't be duplicated? I'm sure they were much more difficult to duplicate than your post (which is done twice, BTW) :D

SkinWalker
I challange you to study the crop circle anomalies then tell me how you could duplicate them.
P.S. How did Doug and Dave make the circles that appeared before they were born?

I saw somewhere that rods look alot like a creature that lived hundreds of millions of years ago by lived in the water.

My theory is these "water rods" started jumping out of the water like modern flying fish or to a lesser extent dolphins. Then they evolved towards flight over millions of years. (Because the better something jumps out of the water and the longer it stays out of the water the more likely it is to escape predators)

Thats why rods look like this ancient "water rod" and why they are able to fly.

According to Doug Yanega of the Entomology Department at the University of California at Riverside and a member of the Straight Dope Science Advisory Board,

rods are a videographic artifact based on the frame capture rate of the videocam versus the wingbeat frequency of the insects. Essentially what you see is several wingbeat cycles of the insect on each frame of the video, creating the illusion of a "rod" with bulges along its length. The blurred body of the insect as it moves forward forms the "rod," and the oscillation of the wings up and down form the bulges. Anyone with a video camera can duplicate the effect, if you shoot enough footage of flying insects from the right distance.

http://www.skepdic.com/rods.html

If rods are a video illusion then what about photographs of rods?

A photo is a single frame so a rod (If it is a video illusion) shouldn't show up on photograph.

But there are rod photos besides rod videos so it shows that rods are something other than a video illusion.:D

Originally posted by dinokg
If rods are a video illusion then what about photographs of rods?

"Artifact" not "illusion." There's a difference.

Artifact or illusion, the rods should still look different when compairing videos to pictures. And there are pictures that look about the same as videos of rods.

Also as far as what rods are they are probably regular creatures that evolved on earth and not aliens and stuff like that.

Oh, there's little doubt that they are regular creatures... mosquitoes, gnats, bees, japanese beetles, flies, etc.

Why is it some people are pathological tied to disproven claims?

crop circles aren't made by man?

There isn't a single crop circle that hasn't been proven to be man-made.

These people make me sick.

Rods on a video? What the hell are you nuts..


......do you know how many microbes are living on the video film and on the camera lens and on your face right now?

More in number than humans at any time combined will ever reach.

by Crystal:

There isn't a single crop circle that hasn't been proven to be man-made
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Not saying there isn't, but where is information explaining the details
given at this site?
http://www.bltresearch.com/magnetic.html

Originally posted by dinokg
If rods are a video illusion then what about photographs of rods?

A photo is a single frame so a rod (If it is a video illusion) shouldn't show up on photograph.

But there are rod photos besides rod videos so it shows that rods are something other than a video illusion.:D

Video is comprised of a stream of single images, as everybody with half a brain knows. So you see this effect on single video frames, and you see it on single photgraphs. Most film cameras have a faster shutter speed than video cameras, so you will see some differences in the effect, namely shorter rods. Rods believers will just tell you the rod was captured at a more acute angle though, .....

As has been mentioned, it's about shutter speed, an object moving fast enough within the exposure time of one frame to describe a line, with the wing beats captured. I saw some footage of supposed 'rods' near a cave entrance. It was obviously insects, the cave was riddled with them. Film thousands of insects for long enough, and you'll get a 'rod' effect.

Despite being thoroughly debunked, this one rears it's head every now and again. Just like the 'rhomboid spacecraft' captured on so many camcorders. It was an effect of de-focussing certain models of Sony camcorder, which had a rhomboid iris, no more, the image being captured, a shadow of the iris on the ccd from a point light source, like the lights on the wing of an aircraft, or Venus, or any one of the objects that cause UFO sightings.

Duplicate this.

they couldnt duplicate it.

its those queers like skinwalker who make big claims and like to argue over the internet about stuff they really dont know much about.

If you cant find it on google they wont be able to tell you about it.

L)

Why don't you tell us about it? I'm really not that smart of a guy.

But wow.. "queer." You're just chasing me all over the SciForums now aren't you? Are you sure I'm the queer one?

Sorry if I've offended you... I just try to be observant. And to answer the question, I can't explain that photo... I don't have access to the data or the source of the photo, nor do I have the expertise to give a proper examination (I'm not really in to agriculture or botany).

But I would say you can't explain it either.

Lastly, you might have noticed (if you've read any of my other posts besides this and the 8 ball one) that I often cite sources that cannot be found on Google. I'm a fan of peer reviewed journals.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2003/2003.html
http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/imagelib/A-2002.html
http://www.lovely.clara.net/homepg.html
There are many more if you do a search. The hoaxers have one site I've found.
http://www.circlemakers.org/

Since the topic of crop circles has come up I'll talk about it a bit.

Fake crop circles are ones with no anomolies in them. These circles are just bent crops that were bent by people.

Real crop circles are much more mysterious. They were flatened in a more mysterious way. They are partially microwaved. They also sometimes have a strange type of metal partical in the ground around them. And what caused them is unknown.

Now back to rods. The ancient ancestor of insects looked like a rod. This creature disappered about 500 million years ago. As I was talking about earlier these could have evolved the ability to fly. Everyone knows how succesful insects have been over the millions of years they have existed.

So why not another insect like creature? :)

Dinokg, I can’t seem to locate the rod videos I saw about a year ago. They were very compelling. One was with base jumpers another was with a boy playing a guitar. They certainly were not birds and they didn’t look like insects because they appeared too large and moved too fast. Although I can’t rule out the possibility that they were insects in the foreground, they sure didn’t look like them. Have you seem the videos I’m referring to?
This one looks too slow.
http://www.roswellrods.com/newpic/Rod.MPG

Unless it’s in slo-mo, which the associated picture seems to imply.
http://www.roswellrods.com/ab3.html#

It looks like it might be a bird, but yes why not another insect like creature. After all we are still finding strange things in the oceans, and on land.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/03/0328_0328_TVstickinsect.html

Is the jumping video your talking about the one were people are jumping into a large cave opening and a rod is seen flying by one of the jumpers?

That's the one. Did you see it? It was pretty convincing wasn't it?

Yup I saw it.

It was one of the first videos of rods that I had ever seen.
I first saw it on Amazing Videos (some old NBC show) about 5 years ago.

Thats when I found out about rods and thought there might be something to them.