i have a new concept that is going to make the world look at the redundancy of metal in symetrical structures equal to or greater than the mapping of an inverted logarithm. i feel that this concept will revolutionize the interpretation and assessment of similar atomic structures found to be prevelant in everyday life. the concept will provide additional support to formulate the emperical evidence sorrouding the origins of the atomic chart. the end result will present a simplified form of automechanical evolution yeilding continuious production.

...to make the world look at the redundancy of metal in symetrical structures equal to or greater than the mapping of an inverted logarithm.

ok. please explain this in regular English, and not financial propsal English. My attempt to translate this results is gibberish.
"...to make the world see the multiple use of metal in things that are the same on both sides (I'm assuming bi-lateral symmetry here) equal to or greater than a graph drawn on a logarithmic-scale peice of graph paper."


thank you.



edit:the end result will present a simplified form of automechanical evolution yeilding continuious production.
"the final goal is to create machines that can self-evolve, which will allow for mechanical systems to work forever"

I can tell you right now that you don't have much of a proposal there. Financial types won't have a damn clue what you are talking about, and therefore won't fund it. Being able to explain your idea is just as important as having one.

i fully understand your(s) position(s) for the comprehension of my wording. however, with all due respect, i do not intend to use laymen's terms to explain this concept for the simple fact the approval process for a patent is currently in process. i also would prefer nothing specific to be released to the public in order not to jeapordize the project.


my intention is to describe the concept using the proposal terms attempting to determine what interpretations can be made aside from "gibberish" and "toilet paper".

i feel that this forum possesses an excellent collection of minds and would like to receive input from those who wish to do so.

In order to receive input from the individuals on this forum, you
need to provide them with something to chew on: is it new toilet
paper ? WHAT IS IT !? Please describe your revolutionary concept
here or message some of us in private. Of course, you don't have
diddily, so why do I bother asking ? ...

:(

the project revolves around electrical circuits that are able to be poured into a mold and assume that exact shape. the circuit then operates as it normally would allowing the manufacturing to be expedited and mass produced to fit whatever the designated space may be. assuming that the volume of the circuitry is the same as the intended recepticle, this maximizes the space used and will allow for an even more condensed aplication.

if this is not enough for you SoLiDUS then how about these circuits being able to mass produce themselves and contain whatever schematic you so choose.

if that is still not enough for you then do not reply wanting more info and wait for the concept to hit the future of electronics and metals.

Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical, it's just how I am. I'm wondering, why introduce a revolutionary theory here rather than publish a ground-breaking paper in a scientific journal? If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see a more in-depth description of what makes your idea so great and how it works. You're going to need to post more than a paragraph promising miracles. Otherwise, nobody here will take your ideas seriously. :)

everyone wants more and more information regarding this. i understand your skepticism, however, for me to explain this would jeapordize the entire project. please refer to my second follow-up. i was generous in providing the third to simplify it for the challenged. as for specifics, you can kiss that request nighty night.

i was merely looking for input regarding the concept and have provided as much information as i deem necessary. i understand that i am new and if you choose to label this rubbish, then you are fully entitled to your opinion.

if you are interested in publications, you will come across an article during late fall/early winter in a very popular science magazine. that is of course, assuming the legal ends are finalized at that time.

the reason for bringing this to your attention here is because i was previously banned and received these type of replies:


Originally posted by Clockwood
I reccomend that you NOT PLACE MEANINGLESS POSTS!!!!!

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thus my reasoning is simple, i am far more educated than initally believed and feel that respect is in the eye of the beholder. i just wanted to come back and share a piece of progress with all of you. to those who enjoyed the humor, glad i could entertain a laugh. to those who did not, you must be covered with cheese whiz.

- Nader

Welcome back Ralph. I've gotta profess I don't know what the hell you're talking about. But, good luck!

You mean "confess," ole buddy, ole pal?

Originally posted by dribbler
the concept will provide additional support to formulate the emperical evidence sorrouding the origins of the atomic chart. the end result will present a simplified form of automechanical evolution yeilding continuious production.

HOW? HOW? HOW?

Hey Ralph, I didnt realise you got banned......I cannot claim to fully understand your idea, but the bits I do sound good, best of luck! I understood up to the i!i have a new concept that is going to make the world look at the redundancy of metal in symetrical structures equal to or greater than the mapping of an inverted logarithm. i feel that this concept will revolutionize the interpretation and assessment of similar atomic structures found to be prevelant in everyday life. the concept will provide additional support to formulate the emperical evidence sorrouding the origins of the atomic chart. the end result will present a simplified form of automechanical evolution yeilding continuious production.

I do not really understand it, but if you can build a model with an on and off button, I will gladly test it for you.

there is no on off button, this is a design for pure liquid circuitry. meaning the boards and electonics are 100% liquid yet hold the properties of a conductive schematic.

I do believe that Dribbler is talking out of his ass :D

I cannot see how molten metal can still retain the blueprints for it's mechanical operation, nor the will to move the specific parts into their correct position. if you could do this you may be more successful in the biology field: each cell in the body has the blueprints for the whole of the body, this sounds similar to what you're explaining; a molten liquid metal can retain the blueprints for it's whole circuitry allowing it to re-form itself into the correct positions to make itself work.

I do not believe that your idea reasonably exists.

Out of all the crackpot ideas and "revolutionary" things I've heard on this board, this is the one that seems the most probable. I mean things don't make money if we get them immediately. If we all understood how new products work immediately we would have them already. It's better than a UFO or something.

Again, Im sure it is a crackpot idea...but then again at least it isnt a warp drive or something.

-AntonK

simple example; imagine your computer or a calculator, the device operates the same with the exception of its internal circuitry being liquid. this also allows for continious cooling. the device will never become hot from the heat generated. it is at a constant, this also allows for the circuitry to operate more efficiently.

the idea was somewhat suggested by me before when i was Nader. it was ignored due to my other posts.

i understand you need for convincing evidence. without divulging the technology behind the concept, what will it take for you to believe?

Are you serious ? Listen, if you aren't going to give us a detailed
explanation of HOW it is your "invention" works, don't bring it up
again until it's protected by patents. Sheesh...

Charles Fleming, you have OBVIOUSLY never seen TERMINATOR 2.

this may help explain the concept without compromising its confidentiality.

Sounds good in theory. I don't know how you intend for the liquid circuitry to hold it's form without it becoming a solid though.

If you are so worried about compromising your project then why post here at all? You want a medal or something?

Xenu, don't bother... I already asked him :D

Ever read a book called "Mote In God's Eye"?

In this book, there is a place where the "alien" uses something simular to repair a circut. While it is not used as a manufacturing process, the idea is there. Naturally we could not preform such a feat with present technology.

My compliments if you have come upon such a method but I shall remain sceptical till seeing some sort of proof that it is now possible.

no i have not read the book wanderer. i just checked it out on amazon and it sounds interesting. are my posts better now than cheeze whiz stories?

let me tell you this, a liquid can be a solid if it is solidified and liquified simultaneously to act as a liquid yet retain the properties of a solid. this requires a balanced electrical current incorporating gating priciples to keep the mass in a constant state of motion through this pseudo phase transition. therefore it maintains all atomic and physical laws and appears to be a gel.

never assume - always verify

a very interesting idea, however, but definition of a liquid, the material would have to be able to "flow". by flowing, each individual atom would have to be able to move indipendantly of it's surrounding wouldn't it?

If so, then every time an atom moved and was replaced by surrounding atoms, short circuits and mis-wiring would occur, based on what atom/molecule has just moved into the circuit.


As far as liquified solids, I have two real world examples:
Glass (not actually a solid, but an extreemly slow moving solid)
menstruation (sorry for the graphic nature of this example, but it is a perfect example of a liquid-solid)

neither of these materials could true be considered "structured" enough to hold information such as molecular design.



If you indeed have come up with a method to control the pattern of molecular spacing of a liquid through electrical charges,I would suggest that you officialise the patant proccess before discussing it any further in public. If you still need help with the details, I would reccomend approaching a chemical manufacturing company to provide you with any other resources you need, in trade for a percentage of the profits for the final proccess.

i would really be suprised if someone could figure out how this works before the patent is secure. let me just say, i have been working on this for over half my life.

in addition, reference was made to T2. the concept was in the works before the film hit the screen in 1991. to that individual who made the reference, let it be known that it cannot stand on its own, it needs a form of containment, it can be a cup or it can be an antenna, it does not matter. gravity still applies.

Hey,
This sounds relatively interesting, but extremely vauge. I was wondering if you could explain the benifits of your idea. I'm pretty sure that doing this won't give away the works. Right?

You said that the circuitry could be continuously cooled. Does this mean that the metal floats through a maze-like system of tiny canals? Cause that would be possible, but I still don't see the revolutionary significance in such a system (because only the cooling advantage is considered).

How much would this system cost? I think I need to hear the benifits before I can see the significance in your idea.

the primary benefit is the circuitry could literally be "poured" into any container needed needed to house the electrical circuitry. for example, the size of your dashboard could be diminished drastically allowing for more room and or circuitry to be added for addiontal features. your computer could fit inside of a hallow desk. size would be smaller due to the structure needing to be only as large as the volume of the what i will call "gell". in addion, the size and shape of anything with electronics is infinite. the only requirements would be proportional balancing for mobile products.

glad you like - this is no Segway

ha ya Segway was a total bust, it is one of the most useless peices of machinery - being more expensive and wider (the dimention that matters) than a bike, slower than a car, less able to carry anything than a person walking. Its an all around stupid idea, although I'm sure its quite fun to use.

When you say "in addion, the size and shape of anything with electronics is infinite." What are you talking about? Obviously the size of anything cannot be infinite an shape is not quantatative.

Also, when you say the circuit can be poured into its container, does that mean you pour it into a box and it reforms its supposed shape, or that when you pour it into the box, it stays liquid, but keeps its intended cicuit intact?

The first one seems more possible than the second, but the second seems like what you mean. It seems impossible that a liquid that has no mold can retain a circuit.

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I have just read all the posts on this subject Dribbler and i find it very interesting, has this been mentioned anywhere on the web before becasue it sounds vaguely familiar, i read New Scientist and other science mags maybe i read something similar before?

Anyhoo i say good luck to you but one question i would have is what about safety, as you mentioned this technology could be used in dashboard electronics, what if in the case of a crash the liquid/gel was released from its "container", is the gel poisonous, acidic, harmful in any way?

forgive me ignorance, but if a liquid is kept at a semi-liquid/solid state doesn't it have to either have an exact temperature or a different pressure with a different temperature?

How would this liquid remain in your special transitionary state whilst in a cup?

Originally posted by wolrabp
I have just read all the posts on this subject Dribbler and i find it very interesting, has this been mentioned anywhere on the web before becasue it sounds vaguely familiar, i read New Scientist and other science mags maybe i read something similar before?

Anyhoo i say good luck to you but one question i would have is what about safety, as you mentioned this technology could be used in dashboard electronics, what if in the case of a crash the liquid/gel was released from its "container", is the gel poisonous, acidic, harmful in any way?

in response to the above, as with anything that is desinged and developed it can be used in a negative way. i can only hope that my design is not used in such a fashion and that the positive benefits will be utilized to thier fullest degree.

heyya dribbler
quote...
gravity still applies.
===
whats ya readin on harmonics like?
should help ya get rib of that nasty grav issue :)

good luck :)

groove on :)

Ok i see your point about every technology having negative potential, and im sure you have factored this in if you have been developing this concept for as long as you say.

One other question i have is, in a normal electrical circuit you have components such as resistors, capacitors, transisitors etc.. how can a liquid circuit incorporate the functionality of these components? Does the liquid simply take an input and produce an output equivalent to a circuit with the above components in it?

the circuitry is contained within the liquids. they are separated by surface dynamics and within each "cell" is the contained circuitry. the only comment i can say in regards to electical components is that they are very "similar" to the composition of the entire unit.

Does that mean we can get more porn on our desktops faster?

Where can I buy one?

Well good luck to you with it, hopefully we will all be reading about it on the pages of some top science mags or journals, just one more question, what do you see as being the major advantages of this tech over current methods besides your dashboard example?

the dashboard is not even what i would consider a prime example. imagine if electronic devices could be built by having an "assembly line" of "pours" instead of an actual assembly line of electronic components that needed to be attached to a board or peripherals.

- thanks for the support

yeah thats a really good point actually, well good luck and as i said i look forward to seeing this in some science magazine as soon as possible. . .

This would self destruct in theory

Originally posted by joemama
This would self destruct in theory

explain. . . .

yes, i would like to hear how it will self-destruct in "theory".

Originally posted by wolrabp
explain. . . .

Circuitry in a liquidfied state would short circut till it destructs ...

Unless they are all going in the same direction at the same speed ect...

its dribbler you need to challenge for an explanation on that one, being honest i don't believe anything until i see it but still if he is telling the truth good luck to him, and im sure he'll explain your theory of cascade failure. .

Originally posted by machaon
Charles Fleming, you have OBVIOUSLY never seen TERMINATOR 2.

This is what I am thinking - this idea sounds a lot like the T-1000 from T2. It is also one that I am extremely skeptical of.

Im in no way a alchemist or a circuitry expert, i just know the ABCs so to say. im not sure what you mean. i have some ideas but still im not sure. i guess you could say im one of those "challenged"

when you said it was liquid first impression was that you found away to make a circuit that can reform itself to a better programmed design but if that were true then yeah, terminator would problemly be chasing my car already.

Second impression, you found a way to pour a semi liquid so that no mater what it always will form the circuits it was designed to form reguardless of its shape or order in which it was poured. More believable but still this would make you eventually the richest man in the world. which makes me skeptical by nature

that picture you posted. it looked like something you drew in microsoft paint. also the formulas(i only glanced) didn't even seem like they would apply to your drawings or what your talking about. Sorry im only in highschool but i thought Sin applied to only right triangles, in Geometry. call me an idiot but whats that have to do with anything in the drawing

dribbeler the pic dosen't make sense explain what material is being used .A constant state of motion could not be acheived by a gel only a liquid????????????/

A gel would cause static causing failer in one or more circuts, do to friction plus if one circut fails then the whole board would have to be replaced economicly unfeasible..

negative, the gel is grounded to the main circuit and all tests for cross conductivity have been sucessfull in preventing such end results.

project has been cancelled due to lack of support from my family and finacial institutions.

i hope to bring this to life someday. in the meantime, thank you for all of your support and responses.

i am going to be working on other projects in the future and plan on keeping you posted.

as for anyone who thought this was similar to T2, it cannot be self contained or act if it has a membrane, it needs to be poured into a mold. it also cannot function independently if some of the liquid/gel were to be separated from the entire circuit.

once again, thank you for your support!

For those of you who did not believe:


The Concept (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/08/18/biological.computing.ap/index.html)

ahhh so you do believe!

Originally posted by dribbler
ahhh so you do believe!

*gasps*

If it's on CNN, it HAS to be true!

... but seriously though, good stuff.

http://www.cs.caltech.edu/~westside/quantum-intro.html

seeing really is believing. has anyone seen any sign of things to come or do you all still not believe in my research.

yes i think that those things are possible

It is almost complete. More to come after the Holidays.

Just use molecular beam epitaxy......

hmmm....I choose to ignore this.