View Full Version : Reverse Time Travel?


Bill Seper
04-08-02, 11:03 PM
A few of you may know enough physics to answer a question that's always puzzled me:

I'm aware of Stockum's now famous paper on traveling backwards through time using a rotating object to form a closed loop, yadda, yadda, yadda. Others have built on that notion but I've never seen it "proven" except on paper. The idea of traveling backwards through time seems utterly absurd to me and this is my primary objection: It would stop the universe from ending. It would also stop an outside force (outside of the known universe if such places and beings in them exist) from ever destroying it. For example's sake, lets say that we have a time machine that will allow us to travel into the past. Let's also say that there is a Being outside of our universe that has a way of destroying it "...put your weapon of choice here, (antimatter possibly?)… And lets also say that we knew for a fact that he was going to use it tomorrow. Couldn't we then get into our time machine and go back to yesterday to prevent the world from ending, and then do the same thing at each new day, so that in theory the universe would go on forever? But how can this be? Time is supposed to be different at far distances (or short ones for that matter) because of gravitational bodies, movement and so on. Just because we get into our time machine and go back to yesterday doesn't mean that it will effect "time" at the same location the Being outside our universe is. For him things would be as usual. He still would send that antimatter bomb (whatever) and destroy the universe wouldn't he? Wouldn't he observe the universe being destroyed (obviously it would take millions, perhaps billions of years to actually see it end because of the speed of light?)? If he does in fact destroy the universe then wouldn't time itself within our universe be destroyed along with it? How could we in our time machine keep reliving the same day over and over eternally in a universe that exists if time and space have been destroyed? Would our closed loop system actually prevent time and therefore the universe from being destroyed somehow? In that case then what would happen to that antimatter bomb that the Being sent our way? If it can't destroy the universe then where does it go and what effects does it have when it gets there? Would it cease to exist somehow as it entered our universe or at least our time loop? But how can a thing cease to exist? Even antimatter and matter colliding doesn't "really" cause something to cease existing probably but no one knows for sure where the two forms of matter go.

It seems more logical to me that the formula of creating a closed loop system of time and traveling in reverse with it must be flawed. No? There are "so" many seeming incongruities....

esp
04-08-02, 11:15 PM
Bill Seper,
Welcome...

One or two points...
Couldn't we then get into our time machine and go back to yesterday to prevent the world from ending, and then do the same thing at each new day, so that in theory the universe would go on forever?

To a point. But the world is not the universe.
And we can only 'fix' problems up to a degreee of technological advancement. How do you stop a sun from going nova?

Just because we get into our time machine and go back to yesterday doesn't mean that it will effect "time" at the same location the Being outside our universe is. For him things would be as usual. He still would send that antimatter bomb (whatever) and destroy the universe wouldn't he?

True.
And such is the nature of probability and parallel universes.

Even antimatter and matter colliding doesn't "really" cause something to cease existing probably but no one knows for sure where the two forms

The general theory suggests that +ve and -ve matter convert to energy when mixed, probably from e=mc^2.


Perhaps a true closed loop is unworkable.
But two one way excursions?

Outside one's own lifespan....

Interesting.

Bill Seper
04-09-02, 07:03 AM
The general theory suggests that +ve and -ve matter convert to energy when mixed, probably from e=mc^2.

But energy is still matter and has weight and mass so forth, but I know what you're saying. The problem lies in where and how this new energy is distributed I suppose.

Perhaps a true closed loop is unworkable.
But two one way excursions?

I hadn't thought of that.

Outside one's own lifespan....

Yes, you can't outrun your own lifespan by outrunning light can you? Or can you? :rolleyes: It doesn't pay to dwell on stuff like this for too long I guess.

Thanks for your comments.