Remote Viewing is the state of a body where the soul or inner self is able to leave its body and view anything which existed at any time. For example if i remote viewed i could use my inner self to be at Mars or in a different galaxy or in your sisters bed room. Heck, someone could be watching you read this forum right NOW.

This so called "state" an be obtained through such powerful meditation. Meditation so powerful that even if i were to scream in your ear you would have absolutely no idea that i had done so. Do not mistaken this for sleeping.


Want to call me crazy? then call me crazy there are many people who pay thousands of dollors for lessons on this art and i even know a budhist who is able to do it. I know he is able to because he told me U.S would declare war on iraq a few months before U.S ever announced it to the public. There are websites on this and i heard that U.S intelligence is able to do it. I also heard many countries long time ago did it during the war to spy on enemy plans and tactics.


For those who believe in aliens my friend who can do remote viewing has spoken to "other life forms" through remote viewing since aliens can do it to. Aliens are MILLIONS of years more advance than us.

Do not mistaken this for being pshyic or anything like that. it is a power EVERYONE possess but you must release it or practice/train for it.

kind of like being conciously concious. i myself would like to do it so i can go back in time and see historical events like world war one or religous events etc. i could even go to the future and obtain information like that.

still want to call me crazy? you were in this forum in the first place.

--soul


by the way here are a few websites on them>>

*what is remote viewing?
http://www.trv.com/whatistrv.html
*how can you use it?
http://www.trv.com/howcaniusetrv.html


do a search for it on google and your bound to find stuff about it

After watching it all I have to say is that your gullible. You need to pay 9.95 for a demonstration of this remote viewing a movie that doesn't even tell you how to prepare yourself for remote viewing. And then they want you to pay more for their movie, classes and books? Yeah Right. This is obviously another scam to gain a quick buck. I truly doubt that any military service was involved in this project let alone the goverment. The fact that no one has ever heard of or discussed remote viewing also shows that this unpopular idea is nothing more than a plan thought up by some con-artist.

What proof is there that such a thing exists. If the ability to see the future and learn about enemy plans were true don't you think that this would be a common factor during war or a time of crisis. Why is it that people who can supposedly see into the future didn't stop events such as pearl harbor or 9/11 from happening? Such things can obviously help with strategic ideas and position especially if you know when and where you enemy is attacking. Do you know why none of this has come into play. I'll give 1 guess, just 1.

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I think there might actually be something to it.
I have attained several different states of consciousness through meditation, and I know of people that make some pretty impressive claims (that I am still waiting for proof on).

I can't say that I DO believe in it, but, in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if it were.
Whether it would be an out of body experience or somehow tapping into the Akasa or something else altogether, I couldn't say.

I can, however say that this:
Originally posted by forever.soul
I know he is able to because he told me U.S would declare war on iraq a few months before U.S ever announced it to the public.
Is not proof in any form.
I did the same thing.
Honestly, I did.
If you look at the facts, anyone who follows politics could have easily made this prediction (and I don't really follow it all that closely).

Besides, remote viewing has NOTHING to do with seeing into the FUTURE, only the present in a different place.

I know he is able to because he told me U.S would declare war on iraq a few months before U.S ever announced it to the public.

Lol I didn't even bother taking that statement into effect. Infact you knew that at some point the U.S would go to war with Iraq once Clinton JR. went into office.

But enough of that. While this remote viewing may have some benifits and may some way be real, what forever and that video promotes is not. I believe that this remote viewing can infact be a way to tap into your sub concious, but you cannot view periods into the future or the past, this i cannot believe. That testimony about the woman knowing about that plane crash could have been 2 things.

1. She could have been payed to say those thigns and such (scam).

2. She could have at some point come in some way in contact with that kind of information. Of course it wasn't direct. She could have been passing the store and heard something about this plane crash yet never remembered. Or someone could have been talking about it and she overheard without knowing it. Our sub concious can do many amazing things including storing things we don't even know we encountered. So when she gave those vague details of the plane crash it could have been stored in her mind from a conversion between 2 people in some cafe or something.

I dont know whether remote viewing is possible or not, but this mob that is peddling it seem pretty dodgy. I watched the video and all through it they dropped familiar words and concepts into the speech to make the viewer feel as if they had a connection to what was being said. A common psychological marketing ploy. I dont trust em and I'm certainly not opening my wallet for em. Just my opinion.

If such viewings exist, then we should be using it to achieve life wonders such as light speed flight, or learning how the universe was created and the advancements we will make in the future. This remote viewing is very dodgy and doesn't even spark a resonable idea of being real, unlike conscepts of astral projection. Even though i believe that you cannot leave your body with AP i do believe that it has some benefits to it and can be very Stress Relieving.

I mentioned something similar here: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31103

however I understand remote viewing is something still different, I distinctly remember reviewing cases of so called remoteviewers they, instead of having the conciousness leave the body, we present and aware in the physical while they through intuitional inference were able to perceive certain truths about the physical world, even 30 minutes ahead of time in one case.

And how exactly is this an argument for what i just said?

Do you realize that there are many scams just like this which use and pay people off to make themselves seem like paranormal genuises. For all we know these people were payed off, or this remote viewing is an advance way of tapping into stored memories. I truthfully doubt that in anyway this person could receive data from an unkown source.

" There are websites on this and i heard that U.S intelligence is able to do it. I also heard many countries long time ago did it during the war to spy on enemy plans and tactics."


Well then - case closed. Seriously, could anyone be this gullible?????

Questions for credo’s if RV actually worked;
1. Why is Osama bin Laden still at large?
2. Why did it take so to find Saddam Hussein?
3. How come they didn’t predict the quake in Iran?
4. Why don’t these “instructors” hit the lottery on a regular basis - or even once?
5. Why haven’t they claimed the JREF $ 1 Million?

Barkhorn.

All that is is just more unanswered questions towards the list i've already made. exsto_human, since remote viewing actually works why don't you answer the questions for us? I'll relist them for you.


1. Why is Osama bin Laden still at large?
2. Why did it take so to find Saddam Hussein?
3. How come they didn’t predict the quake in Iran?
4. Why don’t these “instructors” hit the lottery on a regular basis - or even once?
5. Why haven’t they claimed the JREF $ 1 Million?
6. Why is it that people who can supposedly see into the future didn't stop events such as pearl harbor or 9/11 from happening?
7. Why are there kidnappers who can't be found?
8. Why is it that serial killers are found by the use of investigators and not by remote viewers.
9. Why couldn't the sniper incident be resolved by remote viewing before so many were killed/injured?
10. Why couldn't the chicago fire be predicted?

In General:

Why are there so many horrible incidents/great benifits that haven't been exposed by these "Remote Viewers"

P.S Please don't give the common, stupid excuses like, "I don't want to spend the time explaining it to you".

It is my understanding that the first remote viewing experiments were conducted by the Soviets. Not to be left behind CIA started the Stargate project to explore the possibilites. Stargate personel were used in conjunction with traditional intelligence gathering methods to locate Gen. Dozier when he was kidnapped by the Red Brigade. In the aftermath of the ending of the Cold War the Stargate project was terminated.

It was probably terminated because they saw the whole thing as complete bs.

That is the same reason the US abandoned it. They realized it was doing nothing for them.

Sure, people can say they are still trying, but that would mainly be a conspiracy theory, without the theory or evidence...

Yoy are ignoring the fact that it was used to pinpoint the location of the kidnapped General just as police departments have used psychics to help solve cases.

Stargate personel were used in conjunction with traditional intelligence gathering methods to locate Gen. Dozier when he was kidnapped by the Red Brigade.


They were being used in conjunctino with traditional intelligence. Who says they were a major factor in gathering the information on where Gen. dozier was. Most likely what happened was, the Stargate personal was used because at the time Remote Viewing was believed to be true. Through out the investigation the idea of Remote Viewing to be true began to dimish from the minds of the investigators. Once Gen. Dozier was found through traditional intelligence gathering, the stargate project ceased to exist because of it's bs and money wasting. If the stargate personal played a large role in finding out where Gen. Dozier was, then it's only logical to use them for other "methods" as well. But obviously they didn't because of some reason or another.

Originally posted by candy
Yoy are ignoring the fact that it was used to pinpoint the location of the kidnapped General just as police departments have used psychics to help solve cases.

It isn't hard to pay off the greedy people of this country. Plus i heard many times that such claims were scams.

In the Dozier case they used traditional methods to confirm the information from the remote viewer. Some "psychics" are con artists but there are a few who have worked with various police departments sucessfully on a regular basis. I think that these people have a right to be paid for what they use their time to do for someone as much as a preforming artist or athlete is paid for what they can do.

I think that these people have a right to be paid for what they use their time to do for someone as much as a preforming artist or athlete is paid for what they can do.

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That is not what i ment. When i said they get paid i mean the police get paid to claim that these "psychics" helped them resolve a crime.

In the Dozier case they used traditional methods to confirm the information from the remote viewer.

I doubt it, if such people exist and their powers can be used for such things, then these people would be used in times of need, but they aren't, most likely because their remote viewing is false.

And why are you refering to psychics? i thought remote viewing wasn't a psychic ability. why are you trying persuade me into believe remote viewing when you don't even know what it is?

Sorry to burst your bubble but remote viewing is a psychic phenomenon. The psychic pops that the psychic detectives use are a variant form of remote viewing. It is an intiguing field to read about. There is a lot more documentation than you seem to be aware of.

The fact remains thar the government used a "psychic" remote viewer to find a kidnapped general and confirmed the location with traditional souces before doing the rescue.

Originally posted by candy
I think that these people have a right to be paid for what they use their time to do for someone as much as a preforming artist or athlete is paid for what they can do.

OK. Artists sing, dance, act well or they don't get hired/paid. Athletes perform at a certain level or they get cut/not paid.

They both share 2 things in common that pertain to this discussion;
1. CONSISTENCY
2. SELF EVIDENT RESULTS

Psychics/Remote viewers/Tarot card readers/etc./ad naseum, FAIL miserably at these 2 traits when put to the test.

Let me be clear here, EVERY case of so-called psychics assisting police depts. that I have investigated turned out to be BOGUS - every one. Some fraud like Sylvia Brown appearing on Larry King Live and claiming that she assists this or that police dept. just doesn't cut it in the evidence dept.

You keep bringing up General Dozier. Is that all you got?
At this point, that story is little more than an anecdote.

The rules of scientific investigation are very clear:
"Prove it, and then do it again."

Barkhorn.

Originally posted by candy
Sorry to burst your bubble but remote viewing is a psychic phenomenon. The psychic pops that the psychic detectives use are a variant form of remote viewing. It is an intiguing field to read about. There is a lot more documentation than you seem to be aware of.

The fact remains thar the government used a "psychic" remote viewer to find a kidnapped general and confirmed the location with traditional souces before doing the rescue.

Wow, so what your trying to tell me is that these universities or, the site that forever.soul gave us which deticate their pathetic gullible lives to remote viewing are both wrong, yet someone who can't get their facts straight is right about remote viewing?? Then you must be a hell of alot smarter than i thought to be able to prove people who are obviously smarter than you are to be wrong.

Remote Viewing : A process by which the sub concious gathers information from "The Matrix". This is not a psychic phenomenon. It has no psychic traits to it and can supposedly be used by anyone. And no this has nothing to do with The Matrix the Movie.

If you want to know about remote veiwing I would suggest you read MINDTREK: EXPLORING CONSCIOUSNESS, TIME AND SPACE THROUUGH REMOTE VIEWING by Joe McMoneagle. Mr McMoneagle is the remote viewer who located the general. He named his company Intuitive Intelligence Applications. Intuitive is the term preferred by practioners to the dreaded word psychic because of its misuse by frauds.

Originally posted by candy
Intuitive is the term preferred by practioners to the dreaded word psychic because of its misuse by frauds.

Yea, because we KNOW that these practitioners are the real deal!

Barkhorn.
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by candy
Mr McMoneagle is the remote viewer who located the general. He named his company Intuitive Intelligence Applications. Intuitive is the term preferred by practioners to the dreaded word psychic because of its misuse by frauds.

Nope. McMoneagle is nothing more than a scam artist attempting to make a buck on a program the DoD realized it was wasting money on. There has been absolutely no confirmation that remote viewing is a real phenomenon. In all tests conducted, the results were never better than what could be expected by random chance. Except one. In that test, the methodology was questioned by one of the researchers who conducted it and the results were still far from conclusive.

Remote viewing = New Age scam.

By the way, how do you know Gen. Dozier was rescued by remote viewing? I bet you read it in one or more novels on remote viewing.

And how exactly is this an argument for what i just said?

Do you realize that there are many scams just like this which use and pay people off to make themselves seem like paranormal genuises. For all we know these people were payed off, or this remote viewing is an advance way of tapping into stored memories. I truthfully doubt that in anyway this person could receive data from an unkown source.


I'm sorry that my post was missleading, but I wasn't refering to your post... I should have quoted the original post since it was that which I was answereing. It's completely my mistake. :)


However I might just answere what you said anyway as you do bring up some worthwhile points.

This is true that I have personaly not experienced or witnessed remote viewing myself, and I have nowehere in any ancient scrips found allusions to it. Therefore I cannot say wether it's true or not, infact I will never be able to tell unless I myself experience it.
But you asked an important question before 'If such viewings exist, then we should be using it to achieve life wonders such as light speed flight, or learning how the universe was created and the advancements we will make in the future. ' it is possible for each one of us find such information. But, it requires alot of hard work. Only the enlightened will experience the truth of the universe. The distant future is hidden to us because it is subject to change, the near future plays itself out as a series of probababilities.
There exists technology that will alow man to travel faster than light to any point in the universe. But such technology could never be given to such a degenerate race of beings such as ours. The race of the crowds who sleep.

The distant future is hidden to us because it is subject to change, the near future plays itself out as a series of probababilities.
There exists technology that will alow man to travel faster than light to any point in the universe. But such technology could never be given to such a degenerate race of beings such as ours.

This would be true IF other theories didn't counteract it. It's quite obvious you do not believe in predestination. If you did you would realize that the future is already set and such advancements would be able to be made. Lets say predestination is true, then this shows that Remote Viewing is a scam since it hasn't been used benefitually.

Now lets say there is no such thing as predestination.

If this is the case then thank you, you just answered why Remote Viewing cannot be possible and is nothing more than a scam. The founders and researchers of Remote Viewing swear that the future can be seen just as easily as the present while using Remot Viewing. This isn't possible if the future is constantly changing.

I believe that a persons future is guided by sets of possibilities which will eventually lead to around about the same ending. Its just a question of how you get there. Which is what life is about, what you make of the journey and what you learn from it. Examples happen all the time in my life. You have objective X which you are trying to achieve by method A. Someone or something throws a spanner in the works and all plans go out the window. You think "fuck it, wasn't meant to be" but before you know it, method B pops out of nowhere and puts you right back on track.
An example. I've been planning on going to Queensland (aust) for months. The mate I was planning on going there with got an opportunity to go to overseas for 6 months and left before Christmas, throwing all plans out the window. Then, only about a week ago there was a few of us walking down the street after a big night at the pub. I run into these chicks just standing around wondering what to do now the pubs shut. We get talking and it turns out the one I had my eye on is from Queensland and lives about 40 min from where I had planned to stay! Not only that, she's heading back up there the same week. We hooked up and now I've got someone to party with on my holiday! Long story short...You can't fuck with fate, coz shit always has a way of sorting itself out.

The race of the crowds who sleep.

I like that, exsto!

So basically you believe in predestination? I believe everything is set and the future cannot be changed. THis doesn't mean you still cannot make a future for yourself.

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The rules of scientific investigation are very clear:
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so what are you doing in the pseudoscience forums?

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so what are you doing in the pseudoscience forums?


Trying to demonstrate how foolish it is to believe in things (like remote viewing) w/o evidence.

Barkhorn.

Hello Guys!

Probably Im the only one here that knows quite alot about Remote Viewing

At least Im informed about it..

Ive seen a couple of errors about the nature of Remote View in these posts

Votorx for example, has amazingly gone wrong in most of the "stuff" he said about Remote Viewing.

Im not here to prove that RV is real (if you dont believe, and "religiously" throw it out as some scam without reading some info about it, then do and dont post here please)

There is a lot of evidence that could lead us to believe that RV works...
But everyone, even scammy Psychic scams can self proclaim to be remote viewers and say some CRAP predictions that will not be true.

There is a lot of evidence that coudl lead us to NOT believe that RV works (many fakers around the world defenately)

The fact is that the Remote Viewing term was invented by CIA people, and the protocol and methods too. The project is mostly declassified, and you can read it on public government documents. It worked for more than 20 years, each year funded and each year the Remote Viewers gave enough hard-data to prove that it worked as a method for Intelligence Gathering.

Mr Mcmoneagle as far as I know is not a scam, he presently goes into public tests for some countrys to make double blind experiments and prove that RV does seem to be real.

In the end you believe in what you want, but dont throw out Remote Viewing just because you think psychic/paranormal stuff is a bunch of Bullshit.

Interesting stuff..

Now they are launching a game based on the Stargate program (It was one of the name of the programs that use Remote Viewing for Spying)

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/449/449462p1.html


Check it out the interview with the game maker :P

I saw a documentary on remote viewing about 15 years ago, apparently, the CIA were using remote viewers to spy on Russia--no kidding. On the same program, there was something about how they were developing microwave transmissions that could beam sumbliminal messages directly into people's brains--freaky stuff. It was a pretty serious documentary on BBC or Channel 4 (UK).

Once, when I was suffering with a bit of a fever and was taking antibiotics, I smoked a joint and went back to bed and as my mind wandered, I tried to imagine what one would see, if they'd been looking out of the window of a Time Machine as it took off and I had a vision where everything just turned to something like giant soap bubbles, as though I'd become one with the atoms. Made sense to me at the time.

Believe in remote viewing if you want. Do it at home or join a class or buy a book or what ever. I don't care. But please do not, ever, try to promote remote viewing as a tool to be used by any public agency, i.e. police, FBI, CIA. If someone I love gets kidnapped, or even someone I don't even know gets kidnapped, I don't want public officals wasting precious time and resources using this unproven, unreliable source of information. I also don't like the idea of even 1 cent of my tax money going to fund its research and development.

How do you know its not already being used by them?

Because advocates would be shouting it from the mountaintops.

Believe in remote viewing if you want. Do it at home or join a class or buy a book or what ever. I don't care. But please do not, ever, try to promote remote viewing as a tool to be used by any public agency, i.e. police, FBI, CIA. If someone I love gets kidnapped, or even someone I don't even know gets kidnapped, I don't want public officals wasting precious time and resources using this unproven, unreliable source of information. I also don't like the idea of even 1 cent of my tax money going to fund its research and development.

CIA was the responsible for the funding and creating of the Remote Viewing, and research done to increase its effectiveness

During present time there is no known USA project that uses any kind of ESP phenomena... But still, doesnt mean they dont.

So believe me, CIA used it to recover kidnapped officials during the cold war, spying, etc.. It was one of the purposes for the research and invention of the term "Remote Viewing".

Even if you dont like it, there is a lot of probabilities that black project funding is being wasted in some kind of top secret weapon or program that is bound to cause more death and money waste than a little funding research in the areas of parapsychology..

Votorx for example, has amazingly gone wrong in most of the "stuff" he said about Remote Viewing.


THANK YOU

Ertai I must thank you for being the first to ever spell my name right the first time! Thank you so very much for this.

As for me going amazing wrong on this remote viewing stuff. You can believe what you want im just going by what the universities have told me. You are right, I don't spend hours at a time tyring to figure out more about this crap. I watched the video for around and hour and learned all i needed to know to denounce this stuff. That's all. Im only informing you of what I know.

Im not here to prove that RV is real


Bullshit...




(if you dont believe, and "religiously" throw it out as some scam without reading some info about it, then do and dont post here please)


Oh yes and you have no right to keep people from posting on here whether it is about religion or not. You do not have any power to discriminate others for their beliefs. You may argue about their belief in god but don't keep them from posting here because they believe in their religion.

I would say the same to you..

You seem to do the same thing regarding remote viewing..

I believe that science (and most scientists do) still cant explain every little thing about our universe, we must keep the scientific research going, even these kind of phenomena that parapsychology researches..

You might not believe but there is a lot of good scientists( mostly physics and biologists) and research centers that study seriously this kind of phenomena.. So lets try to use skepticism to deman better research and more research and not just throw it all away as just a Bunk..

ps. Im a university student and I of course believe in what they teach me, and of course I know there still much for everyone to learn

Oh yes and you have no right to keep people from posting on here whether it is about religion or not. You do not have any power to discriminate others for their beliefs. You may argue about their belief in god but don't keep them from posting here because they believe in their religion.

I don't understand how I am stopping any group of people from posting here. While I am arguing with your beliefs i am not stopping your are imposing that your should stop posing here. I've made many reasons to why i through away remote viewing "as just a bunk" maybe you haven't read my earlier posts but i fully explaing why i do not like the idea of remote viewing and i do not wish to repost it again.

Vortox, you are right about people beliefs. I will just like to add something about remote viewing. A lot of people will laugh but non of humans have a power to see the future or to remote view like we think they do. You are intelligent machine and before you even take something in your hand you know what it is. Those peoples fate is to remote view like your is to do what you do. Your idea of talking on this forum is God's, your interests are God's. You move and do as creator wont's. People you still live illusionary lives, we didn't come up with nothing. Singers, technicians, rocket scientists, teachers, sports people... are created thru God's computer program. Believe, maybe 15% of personality is ours, 85% is creator's!
Truth,
Qorl :)

Vortox, you are right about people beliefs. I will just like to add something about remote viewing. A lot of people will laugh but none of humans have a power to see the future or to remote view like we think they do.

Agreed. Nothing funny there.

You are intelligent machine and before you even take something in your hand you know what it is.

Agreed. Human intuition and the ability to see patterns and make "educated guesses" based on them is a wonderous thing.

Your idea of talking on this forum is God's, your interests are God's. You move and do as creator wont's. People you still live illusionary lives, we didn't come up with nothing. Singers, technicians, rocket scientists, teachers, sports people... are created thru God's computer program.

Ahh... there's the funny shit! My interests are mine, bub... not some deity's.

Believe, maybe 15% of personality is ours, 85% is creator's!

How do you arrive at that ratio? Just out of curiousity.

SkinWalker,
You dance and move 85% as creator wont's, 15% of your personality is your work thru your life. Anyhow it is you didn't come up with more than 15%. Lets say, this morning was written for you to go in the Library - but you didn't go. Small thing like that are not written, that's free will and that's how wrong direction or accidents in life happens.
How I come up with that?
I know :D
Qorl

Yeah... but why not 80% / 20%?

How did you arrive at "85%?"

Yeah... but why not 80% / 20%?

How did you arrive at "85%?"

I must have been thru his excelent scientific capabilities..

Or maybe thru Remote Viewing it, who knows? ;)

SkinWalker;
From a personal experiences.

Lol! What methodology did you use in your "personal experiences?" :cool: