If the government let go of a secret like extra terrestrials being here on earth there would be religious implications.There would be rioting, mass suicides, and religious nuts throwing bombs, at the aliens. This is just my opinion on a possible scenario, but I think that its possible for this to happen.

Echo,
good point. However, my opinion is that
there are no aliens here on earth.
Sure, there are crackpots like ZetaTalk that go to talk about
theories of ufology. However, take note
on the subject that not everything
you hear and read is always true.
Take racist cults for instance.
They go on in detail to talk about how
whites are superier over blacks and
that blacks are evil.

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Also, the likeliness of alien species
existing in our galaxy is unlikely.
Ok, scratch unlikely, it's possible.
However, the most I can begin to expect
should range around 2 - no more, no less.
As for those scrawny grey things,
I think that they're the work of the
imagination. In reality, there are so
many variables involved in the creation
of life that no one alien race would
even begin to resemble us.

However, I do have one theory that
is supportive of ufology views. Although
the possible work of other individualistic
minds, the theory has some good thought
to it which is why I've kept it in mind.
If aliens are infact here, they must
have come from an alternate reality
of some sort. That is kind of interesting
since an alternate race of humans could
resemble us, but possess different
physical characteristics in body color,
eyes, and muscular build.

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Ufos definitly exist, but not in the form
that many believe them to be. Yes, its
true, un-identified objects do exist.
Anything object we cannot identify can
be called a ufo - lockness, goverment
test craft, new animal specie, etc.

If there are odd shaped crap zooming from
washington to australia and around the
world, then its definitly got to be
goverment test craft. Yes, Area-51
does exist - it's probably nothing
more than a top-secret military weapons
development, manufacturing, and
testing facility.
Try to think this one from the eyes of
a U.S. Marshall or U.S. General.
If the U.S. suddenly found a way to
cloak aircraft (litteraly have them
disappear infront of people) would
you want unstable countries such as
iraq finding out about it?
Perhaps the U.S. would use such
technology to keep better watch on the
world or in the terms of war prevention.
If you want a good, hard example, try
looking at the decades pass after the
atomic bomb was revealed to the world.
Today, decades after that day when
hiroshima was bombed, countries all over
the world have strived to gain nuclear
capability, but for what? A small sense
of power? If you think that's scary,
just image what it would be like if
a fleet of ships decloaked over a city
and leveled it in a matter of minutes
with a slew of bombs.

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-Dan

Sorry guys,
I screwed up about the Ufo part.
Please forgive me for any mistakes
I made about that as well as any others
I made in that post above.

-Dan

Xeno

I'd like to ask if you are aware how many stars there are in our galaxy? If you do know then I'd like to know how on earth you can possibly make such a statement that life is unlikely in our galaxy?

Even scientists are coming round to the idea that life may be a very common occurence in the universe.




[This message has been edited by Spadge (edited August 08, 1999).]

Spadge,
:0 Did I say that?
Sorry if I said that.
Here, let me correct myself.
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First off, there are lots of stars
in our galaxy. There are hundreds of
thousands of stars. There are probably
more than 3 alien races in our galaxy.

Sorry about any errors and mistakes.

-Dan

theres more then 3 races. I can think of the Nordics whom my wife has seen and he spoke to her telepathically while she was at a military hospital in California.Youve got the Greys who have been abducting my wife and i too many times to count in the last 5 years that i can consciously remember, who knows how many times before we became aware of it.Then you've got the Reptilians whom i have spoken with one of them as he attempted to attack me later that night but i was rescued by the Greys. I realize this all sounds farfetched but i know it happened and thats all that really matters to me. Anyway, i have spoken with a Subterranean species as well as they used my wife as a conduit, but no knowledge was learned. We had a run-in while stationed in Germany of a species that travels via lightning, that was a weird one, even the dog responded to that one by following it around obediently. The latest occurrence was just Friday night 3 September when yet another species used my wife as a conduit and we spoke for about 3 hours,it spoke cryptically somewhat and drew me a diagram of its genetic structure, wish i could post it but i have no photo scanner i will once i get one but finances wont allow right now. It also said all species will be here in 326 days for a war which i figured to be 26 July 2000 so i guess we shall see what happens, hopefully it was full of shit. Anyway, no i dont drink, and i have had 2 diff psyche evals given to me by the army because of course the military doesnt care for people who investigate the existence of ET life. Just wanted to interject here that there are many more than 3 species Xeno lol. Oh and after having 2 psyche evals i still hold a security clearance and am still on active duty army in atlanta. I'll be in touch yall take care and have a great day.


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Eric Cooper

faerieshaman,
I found your post very interesting.
Have you been checked for implants which
any of the races you described could have
placed either in yourself or your wife?

yes alien, i have a bb type device at the base of my neck which rolls around under my skin when touched, my wife had nosebleeds on a nightly basis during the intense abductions summer of 94 and the military dentist was astounded to find an unusual filling in her teeth, especially unusual in that she had never been to a dentist in her life. Keep the questions coming lol i love talking.

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faerieshaman,
Did your wife have any signs of
abnormal wear on the front of her teeth as if caused by citric acid which the
dentist may have commented on?

Alien

faerieshaman,
I have to say I'm quite intrigued by your posts, please forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical, I've heard/read a lot of things that turned out to be complete fantasy.
Don't get me wrong I _want_ to believe, and I do believe that ET's have the capability to visit our planet, and communicate with humans.
I would love to see some proof of what you are saying, it is my understanding that the ET's are quite carefull about giving their human friends any proof, so I will understand if you can't :-)
I've been wondering around with basically 3 questions:
1. What do "they" want? Why are they approacing us in the way they are?
2. What will it take, what has to happen for the communication between us and "them" to be more open.
3. (more practical) What is their propultion based on? Where does it get it's energy etc. did they give you any hints? can you ask ? ;-)

Basically I want "in", I've never in my life seen a UFO, let alone something I could classify as extraterrestrial, probably because I'm always in or near densly populated areas. I would give almost anything to have the opertunity you have, to communicate.

Thanks,
Gerard Saraber

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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari

No unusual wear, negative only a filling which is unknown how it got there as she had never been to a dentist before and a hole in her nasal passage which a doctor commented on and a missing pregnancy which was later followed by dreams of an alien child in an alien nursery. Another incident occurred where while in Germany she came home with complete amnesia and had it for 3 days. German friends brought her home and didnt know how it developed but while having amnesia she commented on the strange 'man' in our room and later pointed to a star in which she had been taken to.

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Well miz, 1. sometimes its better not to be int the know. We didnt ask for all this to happen believe me. Often i find myself wishing none of this had happened but other times glad it did. Its assholes (not you) but some are--that have to ridicule and slander, thats one reason i left this board for 3 months, but now im back and noone shall deter me. As for agenda, theres many species so its hard to say, this last one i conversed with (i have to laugh) its weird when they come cause its always unexpected they dont give you warning, and im talking to my wife so its hard to comprehend its an alien at times. I wish they would warn me so i had a list of questions prepared but they never do.Have no knowledge of their propulsion system,Bob Lazar in my opinion was probably right on in his theories,whether he actually worked on Area 51 or not. To my knowledge there are diff. species of the Grey, one is working for the Reptilians which annoys the hell out of me as Reptilians in my opinion are the sinister ones. The initial Greys are the ones who seeded this planet but to my knowledge, our govt released the Reptilians from their dimension and made an agreement with them during the Philadelphia Experiment. Will post more later as i remember more as wife wants to take a walk now and a thunderstorm is approaching so must go lol take care all and i shall return.

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faerieshaman,
And that is exactly what I didn't want to hear :-)
Everyone including the US govt. tells me "Oh no, it's much better if you don't know".
I want to know, I'm tired of living in a fantasy world where everything looks different from what it really is, because someone thinks I can't handle the truth.
I'm pretty confident I can deal with whatever is going on and if not, I can learn :-) I'm not religious, I don't think I'll lose control in blind panic.
If you feel this information is too disturbing to be on a public message board, feel free to email me, use encryption if neccesary.

Your comment about the Greys having seeded this planet, I don't hear that a lot, I had adopted a similar theory into my view of the universe, it's quite reassuring when sources that _appear_ independent confirm eachother.

PS. Enjoy your walk.

Thanks,
Gerard Saraber

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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari

[This message has been edited by miztic (edited September 07, 1999).]

Well, where to begin lol im not religious in the religious sense either. My wife and i are wiccan so we are very open-minded when it comes to paranormal events anyway.The Greys we've met have mostly good intentions other than taking us against our will. I personally dont remember my abductions, but wife i'll call her hiccup--her yahoo screen name-- woke up one night and bed was surrounded with Greys going to take me--she left her body--she can dream travel also--4th generation witch she has many gifts, anyway this confused them and they left.Wife remembers most of her abductions and dreams many things as well,much comes back in dreams.Such as alien nursery etc. There has been missing time as well.Only reason i said some things you dont want to know--def. not trying to sound like the damn govt. is because i'd love to live a somewhat normal life but cant -- i go through knowledge spurts where i crave knowledge and must learn. Oh, i got my pager today so if it works and someone here wants to get in touch with me but dont want to leave a number page me at 770-224-7774 especially if you are having an emergency at the moment,i love helping people when i can in this area. Dont claim to know it all, im learning like everyone else and despise people who think they do know it all, cause noone ever will. Next visitation we ever receive im gonna ask about the various species and why they are abducting. Like i said if i had a scanner id post this genetic diagram which seems to be nuclear atoms,if anyone knows what this formula could mean--please enlighten me its part of this diagram and its algebra of some sort. A-B=C=E Pie makes no sense to me, anyway enough for now will write more later. E-mail me if youd like i answer all responses

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Eric Cooper

Eric,
Where the heck do I begin???
1. You are in the army. You must know SOMEONE who has a scanner. Find a buddy who has one <u>today!</u> Scan your drawing and post it!!
2. Sit down and prepare a questionare tonight, before you go for your walk. Get yourself organised! You say it's been going on for longer than you can remember....well it's about time you start making it a procuctive event.
No excuses, please.
No "The world isn't ready for what I know" speeches.

The reason I will not slander your statements is that your story bears a remarkable parallel to someone I know in a different country. This person says almost to the letter the same content as you've posted, yet the person told me this almost a year ago now. I am always demanding proof, Eric, it's the only way to silence a skeptic - but it's kind of spooky to hear the same stuff from a stranger on a different continent!
Regards,
Dave.

Dave,lol didnt mean to friek you out. I cant get to a scanner tonight as now its somewhat late and i am moving stuff to an AFB at an early hour in the morning. I'll see what i can do tomorrow,have many drawings wife did while in a trance state and under alien influence. Our main story begins in 1994 when i was presently out of the army and living with my fiance (now my wife) she woke one morning with puncture marks in her lower navel in a triangular pattern. That morn we just happened to be watching a talk show on alien abduction--had no interest whatsoever in this topic as i had not seen anything before but what caught our attention was the fact that they were saying the first sign was a triangular formation of puncture marks appearing overnight on the lower navel. She also was having continual overnight nosebleeds and had signs of pregnancy. She took a pregnancy test and discovered she was. Then,2 wks later with pain we went to madigan Army hospital only to discover she suddenly wasn't pregnant, followed by dreams of an alien nursery and an alien baby she was being forced to hold.Iam an only child and was raised on a 40 acre beef farm in Wa State and always felt peculiar from other people--I was a loner but somewhat preferred it that way.
I reentered the army Jan 95,we got married and were sent to Germany. Before she went to Germany my wife went and visited a witch. She had never met this witch before,but the witch was referred by an acquaintence. She went to the womans home and was greeted by name and tea was laid out in anticipation of her arrival. The witch told her that she was a Subterranean warrior hybrid and iam a Grey nurse hybrid. Now,i have the ability to heal with color imagery through visualization--but there are others who can do this as well not trying to say im special--dont get me wrong. lol I have a theory about this and that is that the Subterraneans and Greys are an enemy species and we are an alien experiment to see if our species are compatable in an earthly environment. She was also told that i come from the cow, now my cows were always very protective of me and followed me around our 40 acre farm and would charge whatever they saw as a threat to me. I theorize in this that the cattle mutilations are there attempt at creating human hybrids through cow dna which could be what the witch was referring too.
Anyway, i realize this is bizarre but all this is fact and did happen, if i was a nutcase i would probably be kicked out of the army and on medication by now. lol While in Germany, i had my first ufo sighting which was a large basketball sized orb in the night sky which i watched for approx 10 minutes hovering before it 'blinked out' like a light. Another time, my wife and i watched a 'planet' shoot down towards us at a high rate of speed,hover for 5-10 minutes, then shot back to its original position. My wife had an episode of amnesia for 3 days in which she pointed at a planet and explained how 'they came and took her there. She drew me a childs drawing of what our building looked like as seen from above, and what an alien looked like, once i get access to a scanner i will scan all this for you. She was abducted too many times for me to keep track of. One night while sitting down to coffee, her persona changed and she was staring at me unusually, i asked her what was wrong, she didnt respond, then i realized it wasnt her and asked it what it was, it said Subterranean,there were 3 personalities one sinister,one indifferent,and one child. I was
a bit shook up and got my tobacco pipe to smoke some English tobacco to which it pointed and said 'inhalator' i had to laugh at that and agreed yes you did inhale. I was told that i was watched ever since I was a child by their species and they were quite familiar with me. I stared at the sinister one and it got angry and accused me of pulling 'mindscan' on it which is the proceedure the Greys do with abductees where they get into their thoughts with their eyes.They stayed for about 4 hours and left never to return. We had an encounter with some kind of entity which seems to come by lightning,the cloud to cloud type,you could sense an energy,then a metallic taste would fill your mouth,our chow followed it around and sat obediently whimpering. This entity came by 2x and we never saw it again either.
Oh,while in South Carolina at army mechanic school my wife and i went to bed and saw little prancing lights on the ceiling--this has been seen by other abductees i have spoken with as well. There were no reflections and no lights coming in from outside. They moved about as if on their own intelligence.
We left Germany May 98 and were moved to Atlanta,ga where we currently are now. The last incident was just Friday night with this last entity encounter once again using my wife as a conduit. It was very intelligent and kind which surprised me as the last time they were sinister. I couldnt think of questions the way i wanted too and it told me it was there because i asked it to come which i never did unless it was a subconscious thing. The main thing i recall is it told me all species will come to earth, i asked it when it said 326 days. I asked it if there would be a war and it said yes, and all humans will be destroyed bu what it described as a nuclear blast. The 326 days seems to land on 26 July 2000.
This is some of our experiences based on the time-line, take it for what its worth, i experienced it, im not a crackpot and have nothing to gain from lying as i only enjoy discussing this area of interest mainly because it has a very large impact on our life and i try to help others who have a hard time with their experiences because i do understand what they go through. (breathe) lol anyway yall take care if anyone posts i'll be up for a bit longer than will be back on tomorrow.
Take care,

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Oh and also--just curious what continent the other person was on and what their experience has been as well as how they cope.

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Eric Cooper

Eric,
Bizarre doesn't begin to describe my reaction to your accounts!!! :)

It's so "out there", I'm having trouble accepting it.
The person in question lives down the road from Plato in Europe. The accounts told to me were of striking similarity to the rest of what you have just posted. Fear not, I have trouble accepting this persons accounts too, LOL!
Have you or your wife ever been shown a NEW map of the world as it will be in the near future?
I'll have to let the rest of your post settle with me. I'll need time to absorb the implications of comparing your post to that of my friends accounts because it's just too coincidentally similar to dismiss as "one mans flight of fantasy" ! ;)
My problem now is....I thought my friend was an absolute nutcase and making it all up......now you come along with the same stuff.....what the hell do I do now??!! http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon5.gif http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon5.gif http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon5.gif

Regards,
Dave.

[This message has been edited by Dave (edited September 07, 1999).]

Well done Dave.
Although I have taken a new approach
to how I communicate on this forum,
I will always remain skeptic.

I find it astonishing that after 50 years
there still is no true proof of
e.t. existence on earth.

Stories are just stories no matter how
well they may sound. faerieshaman
may be no more than a well crafted
writer writing up a ton of posts to
fuel the fire to warm the believers.

i wish, if i was such a well-crafted writer i wouldve written a book by now but that is not my plan. I will never write a book as i dont believe in science fiction,sorry. I seek no fame nor fortune in this, i never asked for these events, they just happened to us, sorry to disappoint you.

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Well Dave lol now i dont feel so alone and 'out there' at least someone else has had such bizarre accounts. I was hoping we werent the only ones. makes one think he is a nutcase like you said but i know we arent so that still doesnt help lol life is a day to day event never knowing what is going to happen next. As far as the earth.....i was told after all this happens next year...all that can live here is bug life, the earth will be devastated by something equivelant to nuclear. i'll try to talk this entity into coming back as now im getting some questions together. In the heat of the moment its hard to think of questions when you just want your wife back lol and yer talking to another species. Oh and i just got a pager today so i'll post this # down if someone wants to try and reach me i'll call them back if the pager works. 770-224-7774

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Eric Cooper

faerieshaman,
Wow and I thought my few experiences
were bizzare!! I for one believe your
experiences after all, as you said,
you have nothing to gain like the rest
of us by posting your experiences. Also
it sounds like you can back a lot of what you say up as far as the physical traces
and medical exams go. Thank you for deciding to come back to the board and
discuss what you have seen and have been through not too many people have the courage to do so in a subject such as this. So far in my investigations throughout my life with this subject and
others I've come to understand one thing for sure- truth is stranger than fiction.

"You cannot teach a man anything,you
can only help him find it within himself" Galileo

Well good morning folks,early day for me will be on late afternoon/early evening. Thank-you alien, would like to hear some of your experiences as well. have a great day

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Echo,

I think that what you've said regarding religious implications is true, but not in the same sense that you do. For example, you envision "religious nuts" with bombs. First of all, you don't have to have a mass landing for that to happen. Ask any abortion clinic employee out there. So do you mean crazy people who just happen to be religious, or do you mean that all religious people are crazy?? Secondly, there most definately will be, and are currently, religious implications of alien contact, but not because the "religious nuts" say so, but because the aliens do. They aren't contacting people left and right to tell them that "hey look, we're just like you guys, except we evolved on a different planet". They are contacting people and claiming to be SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHTENED BEINGS, who can answer all of the questions that we have regarding God and creation and spirituality. And of course, they are teaching a religion of a spiritual heirarchy, of which we and they and Jesus and everybody else are all part of. They have claimed to be our creators, and that they are our gods. Most of the lessons that they've imparted could be directly quoted from the Bible, and are all spiritual principles that are proven to be true. The only difference is who is to get credit for it. They want to take it from God. That is Satan's mission, isn't that clear to us all YET???? That's why a lot of people who have been abducted are following new age religious beliefs, and falling away from the one and true Christ. Thirdly, the TRUE religious implications are the following....aliens are the nephilum, the result of breeding between fallen angels and humans, that has taken place on earth many times in the past, as accounted in the Bible. That is why God flooded the earth in the days of Noah. The way that Satan "infiltrates" us is through genetic manipulation. We have the seed. The seed of woman, which is God's seed, and the seed of Satan, which blinds us to God, and to what is true. That damn seed is why you people can't seem to understand anything I say! LOL! Times are similar now to the days before the flood, and that is why they are here. It's gonna get trippy people, but DO NOT BUY IN TO THE DECEPTION. DO NOT TAKE WHAT THESE BEINGS SAY AS THE TRUTH. Why would you?????? The hard part is that they are so knowledgable about how spiritual matters work, and about us, and yes, they are spiritually enlightened, but just remember that doesn't mean that they are GOOD, and it doesn't mean that their whole purpose is not to deceive mankind, and take souls away from Jesus. There is a book called "God and the gods" by Miriam Hellman on this topic that is a MUST READ. When I'm finished with it, I will post some details regarding what I'm talking about, along with supporting scripture.

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God loves you and so do I!

[This message has been edited by Lori (edited September 08, 1999).]

I can't resist, I have to reply to that one :)
I personally "moved away" from the church and everything around it WAY before I knew about ETs. One of the reasons being my complete disgust over things like the crusades, where people were made to "believe" or die, or for example the "god with us" inscription on Nazi uniforms.
At this moment in time I consider supersticion and religion a thing from the dark ages, my wife is into wiccan, and it appears a lot more sane philosophy than any religion I've seen so far.
You are free to believe what you want, just don't try to impose it on me, I don't appreciate that one bit!
Lastly, you have answered one of my questions, "why aren't the aliens landing on the white house lawn? Why are they 'sneaking' around?"
Religious freaks are why, they consider alien presence/influence "the devil" and will do everything in their power to stop it, no matter what the truth, what they believe is "the right way" so they will bomb/assasinate/destroy everything alien they can find, no wonder "they" haven't landed yet.
It is my suspician that the aliens won't openly do anything with us until we get rid of the religious freaks, and start approaching things with a bit more sanity and less violence, there is nothing wrong with religion, just with the way it is practiced by a scary amount of people.

Gerard Saraber


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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari

[This message has been edited by miztic (edited September 08, 1999).]

I hate to tell you this sweetheart, but you couldn't be more incorrect. One, no one is "imposing" anything on you. Two, I don't appreciate being called a "freak" of any kind. Three, all of those "religious crazies" will have to decide if they want to be religious or be crazy, because the two are mutually exclusive. And four, if someone is to be truly religious in Christ, and knows the prophecy contained in the Bible, then they would certainly HAVE to know that bombing is futile, and this HAS to happen in order to usher in the return of Jesus. We shouldn't bomb anyone or anything. We're just supposed to tell all you f'ing nuts out there not to believe everything that some being from outer space happens to tell you. You all are hypocrits if you blindly believe in what the aliens communicate....remember? That's why you call religious people crazy. They will lie to provide a false explanation of the rapture of the Church (not a church dummy, THE church), so just remember that when I'm gone. See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya!

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God loves you and so do I!

Do you really think you have _ALL_ the answers?
also, please forgive me if it came out that way (reread my post) but I wasn't saying you are a "religious freak", you're just one of those who spreads whatever it is you believe.

I am also not advocating blindly believing what the aliens tell us.
What I am looking for is ALL sides of the story, only then can I truly make a descision/form my own theory, all I ever hear, especially since I've moved to the states, all that religious talk, I've heard enough, I want to hear the other side of the story, and anyone else who has something to say.
Things are rarely black and white, I have my doubts the aliens are telling us everything, but I also doubt that a bunch of people interpreting the bible are 100% correct.

Gerard Saraber


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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari

Hmmm.
Well, if it makes you all happy to believe
that aliens are on earth, that's your
problem.
For the momment, I shall end my posting
here. Nothing has ever happened to
me regarding alien abductions and
I'm certain it will never happen in the
near future.
Believing in aliens on earth is fine,
but living a fairytale can have a real
impact on a person's lifestyle.

Echo the dolphin,
Yes I certainly believe what you
think would happen and more.Many studies
done in he past supports it.Theologians
say contact with a extraterrestrial race
would be disastrous.

Alien

alien,
I have to agree, "Lori" is evidence of that, everything that is unknown is evil. - lori, or do you have any evidence to support your theories, other than quotes from books ?(bible etc.)



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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari

you know... some people who just do not
believe or want to understand things at
face value will rationalize shit over and
over or invent new "theories" LMAO!!!!!!
Doesn't take away from THE TRUTH!

I am proof of no such flippin' thing, and please do not label me as such! Contact would not be disasterous????? God will bring the wrath, not the aliens. Aliens can't lay a frickin' finger on you as long as you know who they are, and denounce them in the name of Jesus. Listen, I do think it's disasterous that so many blind folk will lose their souls, but we all have our chance in life, and if you choose to remain blind, then I pity you, but all in all, I'm looking forward to Christ's return. So the sooner they land, the sooner I'm outta here! (won't you guys be happy then, huh?) Oh yea, you really won't, but you think you will be now.

Please do not put words in my mouth, asshole. Wouldn't it be convenient for your little mind to think that I think that everything that is unknown is evil. That way you can just totally discount my arguement without giving it any thought or research or anything. How clever of you...NOT!

And specifically, what evidence would you like me to present to you? A demon in a test tube? Yea, I just happen to have one right here....I mean, listen to yourself. What the hell do you expect me to offer up as evidence? I told you already that I have information to share, but are you asking for physical evidence or what? Why am I the only one in this forum who is required to display physical evidence of what I'm postulating?? And if I were to have this evidence, then how the fuck would you expect me to shove it into this computer? I'll tell you where I'd like to shove it....

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God loves you and so do I!

I C
I have struck a nerve :-) lol - I don't think your .sig is appropriate for me.

anyhow .. if you had bothered to read my other previous posts you would have seen that I have asked our alien contacting friend the same thing :-)
proof..
Give me a well thought out theory/argument with references that I can check..
f.e. "There was a flood 10,000 years ago because so-and-so mountain displays evidence of water being higher than normal at that time period" .. I think you are intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying .. as much as I would like people to mail me physical evidence I understand that this is asking too much.

Regards,
Gerard Saraber

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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari

I would also like to add that you have not even bothered to back your words up with anything, instead you choose to attack me, "asshole"? "little mind" ?
Anyway, the real proof will be time, according to most myths and religions the world will end somewhere between now (sept. 1999) and 2012, ofcourse a lot of those also said the world would end and evil people will die around the year 1000 but that aside, we'll see what happens, if I'm wrong I'll be dead by then, if you are wrong you'll look a bit silly. but we're gonna have to wait at least 12 years ..
ofcourse every profet (spelling?) out there will have revised their predictions if nothing happens and we're back to square one.

Ps. I don't fear "the end" even though I don't believe in a God and sometimes even publicly renounce existence of such. I live my life in good conscious, when I die I will have harmed no living being other then out of selfdefence and I will have written some great software, I will have no part in a religion that punishes (send 'em to hell) people for what they (don't) believe instead of what those people do.

*sigh* how quickly "sweetheart" gets replaced by "asshole", that's what you get for calling people you don't know anything about "sweetheart".

Regards,
Gerard Saraber

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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari


[This message has been edited by miztic (edited September 08, 1999).]

Miztic - I totally agree with you there.. :) Good post!

faerieshaman - You wrote that all races will come here. I have understood that there are over 70 races who interact with Earth. Can you confirm it?

As for your experiences. I many times wish something like that would happen to me. People have trouble understanding the truth, no matter what the truth is, so i would like to know for myself the truth about it all.
I have a feeling what you tell us is the truth, that is MY opinion.. It sounds too weird :), and therefore i believe it is the truth.

Take care
H-kon

Not sure how many races there are like i said,had contact with approx 7 of them 2 were not so significant,and this last one left me the impression it would come back if i had more questions so i shall try. Anyway,whats up with Peter--dont throw your religion in others faces....damn....everyones got their own beliefs and christians seem to be the only ones to try to stuff it down everyones throat. I'm wiccan and am tired of religious attitudes, i believe Flash and i went through this last time i was on the board. With any luck i shall have a scanner tonight still trying to post the dna scan the alien left me.Anyway yall take care and have a great day

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H-Kon, thanks for the support :-)

faerieshaman, I'm looking forward to your scanned images.. You mentioned that you had conversed with some of the species, did they tell you anything else, apart from the prophesy of war (july 26, 2000) ?
I would love to hear about the aliens culture, their beliefs, their history, what other races they have encountered, what they value in life, what kind of behaviour is considerd polite etc.

A local radio guy is very catholic and very vocal about it.. what he says comes down to "If you don't believe what I believe you go to hell/bad things will come to you". Everyone can believe what they want, that is what a free country is about, just don't expect me to adopt any beliefs. I have met many people with many different religions, but only one group expects me to blindly follow their teachings, that is Christianity.

Regards,
Gerard Saraber

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"Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
-- Ambasador Delenn of the Minbari

Lori,

Still convinced that Earth is at the center of the universe? (Or the only nursery of life?)

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Boris,

What the hell are you talking about? I never said that because I don't think that's true. What the hell are you talking about dude?

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God loves you and so do I!

It has been my experience that religion
these days is used to control people. I
see this happen a lot and now you have
churches "buying" states, large corporations etc. What are we to think when we start to see politics in religion? Another thing I haven't been able to grasp is holy wars both sides
praise god and fellow man one minute and
thousands die the next!! Its human nature
to accept the good and forget the unknown. I've talked with many people in various religions and the thought of other life definately bothers them.I
think there comes a time when we have to stop blaming everything on the devil.
I hope others out there can relate to this post.


Alien

Lori,

It's good you don't consider the Earth to be at the center of the universe, or the only nursery of life.

Now, if that is so,
1) why do you think that all aliens are some kind of demons, as opposed to merely visitors from elsewhere?
2) why do you think that the Ultimate Truth was revealed to us dumb miserable earthlings, but to no other (possible) sentient species out there?
3) why do you think that Christians are capable of understanding God's word better than some (postulated) visiting alien race? If you propose that the Bible is mere allegory fit for a primitive culture, could not the 'new-age' (or indeed alien) religions be merely more accurate and advanced allegories, also coming from a divine source and targeted at a more advanced culture?
4) why do you think that any alien visitors (assuming they are here) would have first and foremost a religious agenda on their minds?
5) why do you think that your purported demons would specifically target humans on Earth, and not some other species on another planet, for the purposes of carrying on their "seed"?
6) since you believe that humans have a soul (based on who knows what grounds) -- do you believe that animals have souls? do you believe that other sentient aliens (if any) have souls? If so, why all this supernatural frenzy of cosmic proportions over just a tiny subset of all the souls in the universe?

a couple of consistency questions:

7) if your purported world-wide flood really was intended to wipe out demon-offspring, how could it possibly work if the demons possess an ability to pick up millions of people from the face of the Earth (and thus shield them from God's wrath?) By the way, the 'flood' never happened.
8) you must believe in time travel. Because without time travel, predictions or prophecies cannot be reliable. (I thought you didn't go for the science-fiction stuff?)


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Alien,

Religion does not try to control people. People try to control people by using religion. Let me make an analogy to the democratic form of government for example. A democracy is often thought of as an "ideal" governing system. The people who run the system, and the people who operate within the system though, are sometimes driven to misuse it in the name of greed or power or whatever. At the very least, we all are imperfect and make mistakes and are misled all the time. So just because the people who operate the democracy screw it up all the time, doesn't discredit the ideology of the system. Same thing with Christianity, or probably any religion for that matter.

Boris,

1) the reason that I think aliens are demons and not just visitors is due to the fact that they have imparted substantial communications regarding spiritual enlightenment to people. Claim to have written the Bible, inspire self-worship, a religion of spiritual heirarchies which is described in the Bible as the "doctrines of demons", channelling, astral projection, telepathic communication, time travel, and mind control. They claim to have all of the answers. What are the odds of that, scientifically? The Bible tells us to look at the fruits of something to determine it's origin or intent. I see those who are being abducted and contacted turning away from Christ, or turning to wicca, or new age religions of some type. It's all of the paranormal stuff, Boris. Plus, I know you're inclined not to believe me, but there really are Bible verses that pertain to these visitors from thousands of years ago.
2) They know the truth, Boris. They used to live it before the war in heaven and the fall of Satan. That's why they are able to impart all of this paranormal spiritual enlightenment stuff. They know their shit, and they know what's going to happen (prophecy wise), and they helped to create us. They just don't know when the shit's going to go down. That's why we started seeing an increased occurrance of sightings and abductions after the nuclear bomb was introduced and detinated. They've been hanging around for centuries waiting....then they saw how far from God we had gotten, and they ramped up efforts. So basically, a lot of the paranormal/medical/scientific/Biblical interpretation/spiritual laws that they impart are true and very real and work. The difference is, and the only difference is, that they have to convince us that they are responsible and not God. They wish to take the place of the true Christ. They will support the Antichrist as their spiritual leader (someone like Maitreya).
3) The question is kind of two-fold. I know that Christians who pray for it have the interpretive advantage of the holy spirit to guide their eyes to see the truth. There really is a huge difference in how you see things when this happens to you, I can attest, and I think that you can to, seeing how differently we see the very same things. Also, I don't think that the Bible is an allegory fit for a primitive culture. The Bible is timeless, in that the message in the Bible clearly implies that it was not written for earlier civilizations only. The prophecy contained in the Bible is sealed. Have you heard this expression? That means that it's literal meaning is hidden until the time in which it SHOULD be interpreted. The alien seal is broken. That is where all of the new interpretations of Genesis are coming from. Before we were even aware of alien presence, it would have been impossible to interpret these passages correctly. As a matter of fact, we have discussed this at length, and you and many others agree, as do I, that the literal meaning of Genesis is not probable or even possible. The message comes alive over time.
4) From what I've read. That's all they frickin' talk about. Prophecy, interpreting the Bible and taking credit for it, cataclysmic earth changes, spiritual heirarchies??? Peace, love, and light?? I didn't make this stuff up; they did! Notice how Maitrey has his space buddies (avatars I believe). Reading this in connection with new age religion allowed me to put the two phenomenon together.
5) I don't know that they don't. All I can speak of is what I know of. If God did create other beings on other planets that are like us (I mean in respect to Him), then I'm sure they are doing the same thing to them. But they are not the ones who are visiting us.
6) I do believe that animals have souls or spirit bodies, but they are not the same as we are. As we are different from angels, animals are different from us. I shouldn't claim to know any more than that. I would have to be or talk to an animal. Ahhhh...because we are very important to God. Our immortality in spirit is important to God. In relation to other souls, I just do not know what is going on, and really it's none of my business. God has a plan for everyone and everything. We just don't know exactly what that is. It's hard enough to figure out our role in relation to God, don't ask me to figure out any and all other life forms too. I don't think that any one soul is any more important than any other though, if that helps.
7)By the way, you just described where our aliens originated, and how they escaped the flood, you know, when the flood happened.
8)I do believe in the possibility of time travel. I think that it may require some type of spiritual assistance or enlightenment, but that is exactly how the prophecy in the Bible was written. That's why it is sealed. A person from 2000 or so years ago, being transported to today would have a very difficult time literally describing what was seen. And who knows, maybe it doesn't require spiritual intervention. I see science as a way of explaining the "physics" behind phenomenon such as this. Science explains what God already knows and created. The two things are definately not mutually exclusive.

Man, I hope this helps a little. I know that you and I, and just about everbody and I, see things very differently, and that I guess I expected. I must admit though, it is not easy for a completely sane person to be called a crazy person on a daily basis. People respond so hideously regarding religion, and in particular, Christianity. I don't come out here and call you guys crazy (ok, I used to, but after I got my ass chewed out a couple of times, I realized I was wrong to do that). I am simply trying to add information and theory to a debate, and I do not see how that justifies the use of words like "sickeningly twitch", and "religious nut", and "crazy religious types", or making assumptions about me in a general sense. Discrimination is wrong. Do we all know that? Do we all remember why we even founded this country? Have some fucking respect, ok, and I'm not just addressing you, Boris, but many others that have refused to even consider what I've written. They just write it off as some insane rambling, and I'm just saying that if you want to do that, then please do it quietly. I don't want to hear it anymore. Actually, the response that you have presented, Boris, I can handle, and some basic respect is all I'm asking for. So thanks for the respectful response, and for the questions. I like the questioning, because it makes me think. That's why I'm here.



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Lori,

Appreciate the thoughtful discussion. By the way, the 'sickeningly twitch' part was not so much about you personally, as about everybody who keeps reinterpreting their respective religions beyond recognition to keep up with the facts -- nothing but sheer denial, in other words.

A couple more points:
1) As far as I am aware, in the Christian framework the Devil cannot just snatch you up, hypnotically or chemically alter your mind, and thereby enslave your soul. He deceives, but a discerning and righteous individual should be able to see beyond that deceit, and in any case has the capability of choosing the right path. Am I correct? But if I am correct, how does that jibe with the popular types of alien abductions, where people are not given a choice, are in fact taken forcefully, are physically violated against their will, and are even somehow made to consciously forget about the incident so that they cannot make any reasoned deductions after the fact, and are thus deprived of their free will in the matter? I thought women had to make a conscious deal with the Devil to bear his seed, I thought God should protect people from being forcefully and unbeknowingly raped by demons, or having their minds altered and thereby lose free will?

2) As far as I am aware, only a minority of "abductees" claim to have been taught something relevant to Christianity. May I suggest that the information you have been reading, and the people you have been focusing on, represent only a small sect of new-age nuts? How do you arrive at the conclusion that the aliens as a rule tend to preach to their abductees? I should also remind you that much of what Maitreya says (avatars, spiritual hierarchy, reincarnation, etc.) derives from Buddhism and Hinduism. In my view, it is much more likely that the guy and people like him have managed to concoct their own religion, and decided to put some weight behind it by claiming it came from some higher beings (typical...) Besides, would you really think that aliens would want to take credit for the Bible when Christians don't even compose 50% of world population? I mean, doing this the 'aliens' would alienate well over half the human race! May I suggest that it's only Christians (or ex-Christians) who keep hearing the voices of the Devil, just as they have always done for centuries and millennia?

3) As for astral projection, mind control, telepathy, etc. These were not revealed by 'aliens'; at least not since the Atom bomb. These concepts are ages old, and more recently have been widely used, publicized and promoted by 'mystics' during the mystic fad that washed over the world early this century following WWI.

4) People now are no more 'godless' (at least from Christian standpoint) than they ever were. We may have powerful weapons (like nukes) that make genocide easier, but that does not mean we did not engage in genocide when it was hard. In fact, as far as Christianity goes I think it's got the largest following in history, as percentage of world population or territory. And I believe greater proportion of people in the world live in peace and relative security than ever.

5) As concerns the 'sealed prophecy' mind-trick... A prophecy that cannot be understood until a purportedly-predicted event happens is no prophecy at all; it's what I would call a sham. If something is worded vaguely enough, and is considered corrupted and anscient to boot, it can fit almost any event because it can be interpreted to mean well nigh anything.

6) As concerns the 'aliens' escaping the flood... (By the way, I did claim that the flood never happened, and you did not object...) If that is indeed the case, then doesn't God look like a moron in the aftermath? I mean, if he/she/it wanted to wipe out the technologically- or psychically- sophisticated 'aliens', would it not make more sense to just strike them down one-by-one with lightning-bolts, or to infect them all with a highly toxic, contagious and incurable virus, or to do to them all whatever God did to the first-born children in Egypt (which was, by the way, an awfully benevolent and highly moral, and not at all capricious thing to do for a loving God)? I am no divine entity, but even I can think of plenty better methods than trying to slowly drown the 'aliens' over the course of days and weeks, all the while killing countless innocent by-standers (like all the land-dwelling animals, for example)! And by the way, <u>the flood never happened</u>.

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[This message has been edited by Boris (edited September 09, 1999).]

Boris,
Lori may not have objected, but I will.
The flood DID happen. This is based on scientific evidence put before me, not biblical scripture. Please re-check your sources. I have and a great flood did take place, worldwide.
Regards,
Dave.

All right, someone who has evidence for the Great Flood! The discussion is definitely getting better. I think I'm starting a new thread on the issue, I invite you to disclose and debate your evidence there. See ya!

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The proof for the flood was only found in one small area and now it may have been resonsible for the Black Sea growing in size.
What has happened in the Bible could be an alien race as it does fit some of the sightings of today. The people back then, didn't know about space travel and other modern wonders so anything unusual was said to come from God. You will find this is various cultures. Also, remember the church said the Earth was the center of the universe and killed people for believing otherwise. A lot of man's ego seems to be in the whole Bible as we are the only ones here.

Faeraeshaman,

I agree, aliens could visit earth, but I don't know how likely it is. I like good hard evidence!

A-B=C=E could be a chemical formula (in their language) eg molecule A connected to B by a single bond connected to C by a double bond which is then conected (also by double bond) to E.

Have you tried hypnosis?

How many intelligent species have you met? Did they say how they got here?

One theory I read says that the greys entered through rip created accidentally by Nazi scientists in World War II. Could be possible!

Have you got the picture scanned yet? I'm interested.

I don't know whether there is a cover-up or not, or why they are here, but I seek the truth about ET life!



[This message has been edited by andyr (edited October 07, 1999).]

No havent got it scanned yet. I know nothing about chemistry or physics so don't really understand what you said lol. We're going home for thanksgiving/x-mas so i'll have my uncle look at it and let you know what he says. He's a dna professor/scientist and has his own books out on genetics and dna,so he might know something. I read this board daily so just cause you don't see me post continually doesn't mean i havent been here lol I check it several times a day actually.
We're trying to get back to Germany next year so i'd love to hear from any Germans on this board. I'm still reading Alien Agenda and learning about the nazi/ufo theory currently.
Over our xmas vacation i'll get the diagram and some other documents scanned to disc so i can send them to various valid people (no jerk-off skeptics on this board) Anyway take care and i'll be in touch. Have a great day

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Eric Cooper

Eric,
C'mon, Mate! ~Move your ass on those scans, will You??!!!!


Still waiting,
Dave.