View Full Version : Real issues guys!!! Child Poverty Worldwide!!!


Tazmaniac
01-07-07, 10:15 PM
Child Poverty Worldwide
Kamala Sarup

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Even much effort,and money were spent reducing child poverty but the action is always relatively not effective. Among many factors the poor status of the development activities are also more responsible for the whole cause.


From century children's economic system remain unchanged in the poor countries. Poor political system, and poor programs are equally responsible.

Children literacy rate is still low, infant mortality rate is still high. This is very bad signal for reducing child poverty. Other serious problem are seen in the policy area, such as in school curriculum development, and quality of education.

Even there are many ways to enhance children development. Some of the important instruments are to raise children education, better hospitals and services.

But existing programs are not capable to develop children status.

Today, the fight to reduce poverty will succeed only by elaborate campaigns to change our programs, a task for which we are admirably suited.

1. To get more money to poor children welfare reformists must spend more time and money using the media to change attitudes toward poverty instead of writing about it in obscure academic journals.

Therefore, we must spend more time and money keeping the child poverty problem uppermost in our minds, pricking their "conspicuous consumption" attitudes, and reminding them that the poor are not necessarily poor from laziness, but rather from the attitudes of those around them who have plenty.

Furthermore, it is necessary to remind the taxpayers through the mass media that reducing child poverty results in less dangerous and costly criminality, and more productive workers and citizens; in other words, the rich amply benefit by helping the poor. ( Source: Stanly, published in PJ, 2006 )

2. Another important aspect of child poverty solutions that prefer to ignore are the costs associated with welfare. With respect to the effects of high child poverty, we are in the realm of speculation. Since poverty usually is defined as inadequate food, clothing, shelter and medicine, it is circular reasoning to show that child poverty produces inadequate food, clothing, shelter and medicine. ( Source: published in PJ, 2006 ) It is true, one can point out millions of causes leading to the child poverty and the main divisive issue is economy. There are divisions between abolitionists and pro slavery advocates.

How can children survive without economic development? The issue of the economy are two viewpoints on the nation. Even economy is mentioned as a minor issue along with several other issues. We should realize that poverty is the issue at the economy. Maintain the strong economy is the key component to reducing child poverty. Lose that bond and we will see poverty that we have never dreamed of.

Poverty And Domestic Workers Children

Even Human Rights Watch said in a new report today "Domestic workers face a wide range of grave abuses and labor exploitation, including physical and sexual abuse, forced confinement, non-payment of wages, denial of food and health care and excessive working hours with no rest days. Migrants and children are especially at risk of abuse.

"Millions of women and girls turn to domestic work as one of the few economic opportunities available to them. Abuses often take place in private homes and are totally hidden from the public eye. In the worst situations, women and girls are trapped in situations of forced labor or have been trafficked into forced domestic work in conditions akin to slavery. Domestic workers are often hostage to labor agents and employers. Governments must better regulate working conditions, detect violations and impose meaningful civil and criminal sanctions. said report.

According to ILO more girls under 16 work in domestic service than in any other category of child labor. Exploitative working conditions often make domestic labor one of the worst forms of child labor.

Human Rights Watch urged governments to extend key labor protections to domestic workers, establish minimum standards of employment regionally to prevent unhealthy competition, and ensure that employers and labor agents are held accountable for abusive practices. They should also prioritize the elimination of the worst forms of child labor, including child domestic work.

Recommendation

Regarding above views the authority should consider following measures to reduce child poverty. It should identify the major macro and micro barriers obstructing programs. It needs to provide economic opportunities to the parents and to rural household and raise social and economic status by increasing their income.

Authorities programs and policy should be effective to make the target groups successful. Authorities also need to provide plan for enhancing national programs. It should also aim for increasing the income of rural poor.

Nepali Journalist and Story Writer Kamala Sarup is an editor of peacejournalism.com, She is specialising in in-depth reporting and writing on Peace, Anti War, Women, Terrorism, Democracy, and Development. Some of her publications are: Women's Empowerment ( Booklet ). Prevention of trafficking in women through media,( Book ) Efforts to Prevent Trafficking in for Media Activism ( Media research ). Two Stories collections. Her interests include international conflict resolution, cross-cultural communication,philosophy,feminism, political, socio-economic and literature. Her current plans are to move on to humanitarian work in conflict areas in the near future. She also is experienced in organizational and community development.

Heartbreaking, I would like to see the UN/EU/US/UK start talking doing anything about this!

Tazmaniac
01-07-07, 10:26 PM
I guess I have tp talk to myself... Why does this matter not have as many replies as other "hot" Issues???

hypewaders
01-07-07, 10:37 PM
This just isn't a very contentious topic for discussion. It's not likely many will post here in support of child poverty. There's some comfort that it has eased somewhat in some places (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/18/news/UN_GEN_UN_Child_Poverty_Eastern_Europe.php).

Support UNICEF! (http://www.unicef.org/)

Fraggle Rocker
01-07-07, 11:27 PM
It's not easy to appeal to us with an article that appears to have been written by one of the eight-year-old children it describes. I understand that English is not this person's native language but these days expert translators are readily available everywhere. Especially into English, the world's second or third language in number of speakers and arguably its first in political and economic milieus. If this publication was not able to obtain the services of one of them one can only wonder why it is not well enough respected to do so. If not, is it because of the quality of its research and journalism? This reminds me too much of the shopworn plea of the Nigerian Finance Minister for help in wire-transferring his money. Who is this guy and what are his actual credentials on this topic?

That said, at the root of this issue the truth is inescapable that child poverty is simply one aspect of general poverty. The solution to it is not to focus on it and manhandle the economies of the affected regions like the well-meaning but terminally naive communists who could not grasp the equivalence of the words "capital" and "surplus," but rather to increase the prosperity of the families whose children share their poverty.

Economics, as the implosion of communism illustrated, is not a zero-sum game. So-called "conspicuous consumption" does not inherently cause the starvation or untreated illnesses of the neighboring populations. Put less inflammatorily, those who buy and employ hardly bring about the destitution of those who sell to them and work for them.

China and India have discovered how to abate poverty and they have done it by becoming part of the world economy rather than exhorting people to charity. Their per-capita GDPs are growing at the rate of ten percent per year and their working poor now own TV sets. Those two countries, once cornerstones of the Third World, account for one third of the human race. Considering that during my own lifetime millions of people starved to death in China I'd say astounding progress has been racked up against poverty.

The biggest cause of poverty in what's left of the Third World is corruption. Despots siphon off their nations' capital to buy toys, villas, or weapons, and even divert relief supplies to the black market. It's difficult for outsiders to make a difference in that environment, although we could start by voting against politicians in our own countries who support those bastards. Another cause is the Stone Age relic of tribalism that prevents large numbers of people from cooperating to stand up to these tyrants. Again it's hard to see how we can help fix that, especially since the Muslims who have the most influence in those regions tend to regard tribalism as normal.

The organization we give all of our charity budget to is the Central Asia Institute in Bozeman Montana. They build schools throughout the Middle East and they are all either exclusively for girls or coeducational. It has been difficult for women to receive educations in many of these backwaters and as a result the most uncivilized instincts of the men in power have gone unchecked.

The key to peace and progress is educating women.

Baron Max
01-08-07, 07:09 AM
This just isn't a very contentious topic for discussion. It's not likely many will post here in support of child poverty.

Bullshit, Hype, just more of your bullshit!! I support the right of freedom of every woman to have her baby in poverty if she wants to. And I support the freedom of every child in the world to be born in and live in poverty if they want to! If the parents didn't want their children to live in poverty, then they shouldn't have gotten pregnant.

LONG LIVE POVERTY AND THE FREEDOM TO LIVE IN IT!!

Baron Max

spuriousmonkey
01-08-07, 07:14 AM
Bullshit, Hype, just more of your bullshit!! I support the right of freedom of every woman to have her baby in poverty if she wants to. And I support the freedom of every child in the world to be born in and live in poverty if they want to! If the parents didn't want their children to live in poverty, then they shouldn't have gotten pregnant.

LONG LIVE POVERTY AND THE FREEDOM TO LIVE IN IT!!

Baron Max

max max...tsk tsk...

It is the children who will pay for your pension. Even if you pretend you made your money yourself. Because money isn't really made by doing nothing. It is just that someone else is working for you. You call that investments. But still, someone has to do the actual work. Children who grew up.

So let's all say a prayer to jesus and beg there will always be children.

draqon
01-08-07, 07:15 AM
problem I got with child poverty, is this: bunch of sex-hyped-teenagers have sex and give birth to offspring who they leave to die off...and this goes on as these offspring do the same thing. If you aint got the money to sustain the offspring, dont get any.

Baron Max
01-08-07, 07:20 AM
max max...tsk tsk...

It is the children who will pay for your pension.

Why, hell, Spurious, I agree!! That's why we need more children born into poverty and dispair ....so us old farts can continue to get out social security checks! Those poverty-stricken kids are the ones who pay all of the taxes for me and other old farts like me!

So let's all say a prayer to jesus and beg there will always be children.

I agree ...and let's make sure that some of them are born into poverty so they can continue to pay for my social security!

Baron Max

Tazmaniac
01-08-07, 09:08 AM
thanks guys, it's heartwarming to see mutual concerns for real issuers that effect us all.

spidergoat
01-08-07, 11:48 AM
They wouldn't be poor if they were willing to work. In the mines.

draqon
01-08-07, 11:49 AM
They wouldn't be poor if they were willing to work. In the mines.

they're hanging on other people's necks (money) rather than study and work...sucking it all up through welfare...having unprotected sex, giving birth to more babies without homes and future...who do the same thing.

Baron Max
01-08-07, 12:18 PM
They wouldn't be poor if they were willing to work. In the mines.

Mining is an honorable trade.

Baron Max

spuriousmonkey
01-08-07, 12:21 PM
Mining in the western world usually only can be sustained by heavy subsidies. Unless you are mining something of great value or something that cannot be found everywhere.

Look at what happened to the coalmining in Europe. First it was subsidized to great extent. Then the decision was made to cut the losses and close it down.

In the third world mining is a death sentence. One way or the other.

TimeTraveler
01-08-07, 12:23 PM
would you rather children live in poverty, or the elderly? Or both?
Someone in the world has to live in poverty, because thats how capitalism works.

So how do we choose who lives in poverty and who doesnt?

Baron Max
01-08-07, 12:24 PM
In the third world mining is a death sentence. One way or the other.

I think there's more deaths in construction than in mining, Spurious ...yes, in third world nations. Do you think construction should shut down, too?

Baron Max

draqon
01-08-07, 12:24 PM
would you rather children live in poverty, or the elderly? Or both?
Someone in the world has to live in poverty, because thats how capitalism works.

So how do we choose who lives in poverty and who doesnt?

russian rullette perhaps. Child takes a spin, old guy takes a spin...

spuriousmonkey
01-08-07, 12:24 PM
History decides.

Baron Max
01-08-07, 12:26 PM
History decides.

I don't know ....perhaps the mothers in poverty decide, huh?

Baron Max

draqon
01-08-07, 12:27 PM
I don't know ....perhaps the mothers in poverty decide, huh?

Baron Max

ok than...mothers in poverty take a spin of russian rullete pointing either for children or the elderly.

Baron Max
01-08-07, 12:32 PM
ok than...mothers in poverty take a spin of russian rullete pointing either for children or the elderly.

...LOL! Yeah, sorta'. But the women of poverty decide to have those children in the first place. If they didn't have the children, then they would be able to point the gun at them .....and the old farts would have to go!! :D

Baron Max

spidergoat
01-08-07, 01:25 PM
Mining is an honorable trade.

Baron Max

I agree, and the children's small stature makes them well suited to that kind of labor. The real issue is that children are lazy, they don't want to work.

Baron Max
01-08-07, 01:27 PM
I agree, and the children's small stature makes them well suited to that kind of labor.

Good one, spider, good one! And I see ye're learning forum tactics from Samddkey! Great! :D

Baron Max

TimeTraveler
01-08-07, 02:12 PM
russian rullette perhaps. Child takes a spin, old guy takes a spin...

Or we can just take turns, but yeah that won't happen.

Michael
01-08-07, 05:18 PM
Firstly,
I wonder, in many of these "3rd World" nations have they ever been, by our measure of the word, prosperous? Are we asking to much and are we defining poverty in only terms of Western standards? If we were to look back in time to some central African nation - say 10000 BCE compared with 5000 BCE compared with 2500 BCE compared with 100 CE compared with 2000 CE will we see a huge drop in the living standard of children or will we see a people living as they have been for thousands of years with cyclical population growth of boom and bust cycles completely dependant on the weather cycles and war with neighboring tribes?

This is an interesting show. I was amazing when he drank the fresh cow’s blood straight from the neck – as most Tribes do daily to survive.
Tribe (TV series) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_(TV_series))


Secondly
IMHO, within our own societies, we maintain our meager amount of riches though many many hours of hard work. We get up at 7 and get home at 7 for 7 days per week with almost no time off. And this in America - a land of unparalleled plenty. Take a look over to Japan and Hong Kong and Singapore (other rich nations without the land-O-plenty part) and you will find they get up at 5 and come home at 12.

In many poor countries these working conditions are not ever going to be sociably acceptable. So I wonder: Is it our place to change these societies to become “Westernized”?

Thirdly
Depending on the country, a lot of blame must be laid at the feet of the people. It is in no way our “fault” that, come the turn of the century, China had over a billion poor people living in poverty. And this from a highly civilized people with a long long history of relative opulence. They chose their form of government and they lived within its means. This, I think, is the main factor in many countries respective prosperities. Simply, not enough checks (nor a willingness) on the natural greed of humans – as most are trying like hell to get theirs. We in America can barely keep a lid on it [remember <1 % of our own society owns >95% of the wealth and the only reason they don’t own the last 5% is because then we’d kill them!].
To anyone who has not been to the USA. Relative to Europe or Australia it seems that the States are bursting with people in poverty. A Thai friend of mine was literally shocked by the poverty she found when she visited the States. She thought it was both sad and amazing that the USA sends so much money abroad to fight poverty when so many Americans are living in it – Her words.

Fourth
I also have little faith in nation building – unless that nation has a long history of civilization coupled with a self-grown industrial base couple with a culture of seriously hard work ethic.
Is it surprising that Singapore became rich while Malaysia and Indonesia remains poor? All 3 States were colonized and all 3 States are in the same area and share the same resources (well, if anything, Singapore is recourse poor – while the other two are resource rich). Why then is it that Singapore is the richest while the other 2 wallow in poverty? Is Singapore somehow taking from Malaysians or Indonesians? No. It must be that Singapore is Chinese and have a different culture.

What else could be the answer?


Just some things to think about,

Michael II

infoterror
01-09-07, 02:57 PM
Recommendation: Let them starve and give them no (0) aid.

We're overpopulated.

Tazmaniac
01-09-07, 10:29 PM
Recommendation: Let them starve and give them no (0) aid.

We're overpopulated.you mean it?

infoterror
01-09-07, 10:42 PM
Absolutely.

Baron Max
01-10-07, 07:18 AM
Recommendation: Let them starve and give them no (0) aid.

Sure, and that's what we're doing in most of the cases in the world. Aid? Hell, that "aid" isn't for feeding the little bastards, it's used by corrupt government officials to buy more big-screen tv and PlayStations and such. :D

We're overpopulated.

And it's getting worse and worse because the little bastards ain't dyin' fast enough! Many live to puberty, and crank out more of the little bastards before they die!

Baron Max