President Bush's "Bring Them On" Picture Album

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More pictures about the American 'terror' in Iraq:


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Could you show some pictures of the men, women, and children Saddam's regiem had killed now? Perhaps one of the guy being dragged around by a pickup on a meathook.

Would you rather have Saddam back in office? There were only two choices: leave him in or take him out. You might think we are running things horribly (though I think you are wrong about that) can we possibly be running things worse than Saddam?

Clock:

No one want saddam back neither they want the Americans to stay there.....just pack up and leave....you are losing your men every day there........for what ?? to make the nazi terrorist state of Israel more secure ????

Could you show some pictures of the men, women, and children Saddam's regiem had killed now? Perhaps one of the guy being dragged around by a pickup on a meathook.
I've heard you point out this story so often clockwood, why don't you provide the pictures, you're obviously the expert.

Would you rather have Saddam back in office? There were only two choices: leave him in or take him out. You might think we are running things horribly (though I think you are wrong about that) can we possibly be running things worse than Saddam?
That was a lie when you said it before the invasion, it was a lie when you said it during the invasion and it's a lie now.
There are almost never only two solutions to a question. The one and only example in nature that I can think of is the question "are you pregnant". That's pretty much it. Even "is he dead" has several answers.
But you would have us believe that "What shall we do about saddam" has only two answers - "let him continue" or "invade Iraq and depose him, and occupy the country".
Like I said, it was a lie then and it's a lie now.
There were multiple solutions that we had thought up, and I suspect there would have been far more had you bothered to look. But no, instead hundreds of years of work and diplomacy was thrown away by an ex-drunk ex-cocaine addict deserter with a near-criminal record. Yeah, that's an optimal solution :rolleyes:

No one want saddam back neither they want the Americans to stay there.....just pack up and leave....you are losing your men every day there........for what ?? to make the nazi terrorist state of Israel more secure ????

The loosing of the men. The soldiers. The brave men and women that carry M-16's and shoot to kill. Apparently nobody notices that the death toll, for American kill-bots, is very low for a war.

Israel has it's share of terrorist. So does Syria.

Could you show some pictures of the men, women, and children Saddam's regiem had killed now?

No but I can give you articles.

Originally posted by Clockwood
Could you show some pictures of the men, women, and children Saddam's regiem had killed now? Perhaps one of the guy being dragged around by a pickup on a meathook.
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That was Jasper Texas not Iraq. :rolleyes:

PS if you think this is TERROR. ill give you terror:

The Massacre of Hama (1982) ... Law application requires accountability
18th February 1999

The 2nd of February 1999 dates the seventeenth anniversary of the massacre of Hama. Thousands of the town’s people were killed during the biggest military campaign initiated by the Syrian government against the armed opposition.

Although seventeen years have elapsed since the massacre perpetrated on Hama- a town lay in the heart of Syria with population amounts to 350000 inhabitants- it is still considered the most ruthless campaign, during which the government of president Asad employed the regular army, forces especially trained and units of secret security services to crush and root out the Syrian opposition.

For 27 days starting from February 2nd 1982, the Syrian forces put Hama under a siege, shelled the town with all kinds of artillery, then Hama was ravaged by military and special forces, and its civilians were severely punished. The estimated victims range between 30000 and 40000 civilians including ladies, children and elderlies. 15000 civilians were considered lost since then and had never traced back. Thousands of civilians were obliged to desert the town, as one third of Hama had been completely destroyed. Many mosques, churches and historical buildings were left in rubbles as a consequence to the government’s artillery bombardment.

Foreign press reports said that the Syrian government had given the military forces full authority to finish the opposition and to punish all sympathisers. To avoid any popular protests or world condemnation, hushing up on Hama was imposed, all transport and communication links with the town were suspended. An embargo to the entry and parting was imposed on the town. During that period, Hama was a target to military operations on a large scale. Units of the army, special forces, defence brigades, military intelligence, general intelligence and militia of the ruling Ba’ath party took part in the operations against Hama. The campaign was led by the president’s younger brother brigadier Rifa’at Asad who was appointed two months earlier the martial ruler of the northern and middle districts of the country. An estimated number of 12000 especially trained soldiers were put under his authorities.

Hama uprising marked a clear change of the Syrian government policy in favour of employing the armed forces to repress the political violence flared out between 1979 and 1982. Hama’s civilians were the worst victim of the massacre. As a consequence to this quench, Syria has never witnessed any more protest against the policies of the Syrian government, which were widely disputable before.

The Syrian authorities, instead of taking the necessary measurement to reduce the consequences of the massacre and to make an inquest in the crimes committed against many civilians and families, they rewarded the officers involved in the acts of killing and repression. Rifa’at Asad was appointed as vice-president for national security, other officers were granted higher ranks, and Hama’s governor Mohammed Harba was appointed as the minister of the interior. Such measurements confirmed the government’s reckless attitude towards the civilians and its commitment to the policy of "strong hand" , instead of "dialogue" in dealing with domestic affairs.

The authorities whose duty to protect civilians at crisis periods, had shown sheer negligence to shoulder their responsibilities. Even worse, some of them were deeply involved in the massacre. Therefore, International law and human rights are required to open a wide inquest on the events of Hama seventeen years ago and to determine the criminal responsibility of the massacre as an act of genocide forbidden and punished for by international law.

As a Consequence, the Syrian Human Rights Committee reassures the following points:

1- The Syrian Human Rights Committee calls on the government of Hafez Asad to release all civilians detained during the crisis, to disclose all information available about the lost ones, to allow the town’s civilians living in exile to go back home, and to compensate all families who lost some of their members or for the loss of their properties.

2- The Syrian Human Rights Committee calls to form a committee from representatives of human rights organisations , UN committee of human rights , International court of war crimes, International court of Justice to start an inquest to determine the persons responsible for this massacre and the nature of the authorities who issued orders to use the excessive bloody force against civilians.

3- To consider all military officials and politicians involved in the massacre, in particular the campaign mastermind Brigadier Rifa’at Asad as "war criminals" for their responsibilities of genocide acts, to confiscate their properties in the country and abroad, and to take legal measurements to bring them before the "International court of war crimes" .

4- To declare the 2nd of February a "remembrance day" of pain and suffering in Syria, and to neutralise the army from being involved in internal disputes, and to strive to stop murdering children, ladies and civilians for political purposes.

Perhaps one of the guy being dragged around by a pickup on a meathook.
You know, I got curious. So I googled:
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+dragged+meathook&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Nothing.
So I check the news :
http://news.google.com/news?q=pickup+dragged+meathook&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&sa=N&tab=wn

Even less.
I check the blogs :
http://www.daypop.com/search?q=pickup+meathook+dragged&search=Search&t=a
http://linksmanager.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?words=pickup+meathook+dragged&search_type=and&userid=blogsearch
http://www.feedster.com/search.php?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=pickup+meathook+dragged&btnG=Search&sort=date

Still nothing.
Then I had a sneaking suspician and, biting my lip, I tried one last place :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/search?s=meathook+dragged+pickup&ok=Search&q=quick&m=all&o=score&SX=3f1ec491281960df75ee7f9f06085186ca27a21d

And surpisingly enough, found nothing.
So where's that story coming from Clockwood?

American soldiers are dying and? They went to die for America, remember. They are killers as well lest we forget that. And for Clock a democratic Israel wouldn't do this would they?

http://poetry.rotten.com/jenin/ Enter with care, it is very graphic

The Jenin massacre! :( So Saddam being the only S.O.B in the ME is a joke.

Hey, look on the bright side, there's a new toy coming out of all of this :
http://www.aeroplastics.net/dana_wyse/dwobjtoy/dw96hero480.jpg

Gotta love capitalism, eh? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by EI_Sparks
You know, I got curious. So I googled:
http://www.google.com/search?q=pickup+dragged+meathook&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Nothing.
So I check the news :
http://news.google.com/news?q=pickup+dragged+meathook&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&sa=N&tab=wn

Even less.
I check the blogs :
http://www.daypop.com/search?q=pickup+meathook+dragged&search=Search&t=a
http://linksmanager.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?words=pickup+meathook+dragged&search_type=and&userid=blogsearch
http://www.feedster.com/search.php?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=pickup+meathook+dragged&btnG=Search&sort=date

Still nothing.
Then I had a sneaking suspician and, biting my lip, I tried one last place :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/search?s=meathook+dragged+pickup&ok=Search&q=quick&m=all&o=score&SX=3f1ec491281960df75ee7f9f06085186ca27a21d

And surpisingly enough, found nothing.
So where's that story coming from Clockwood?


Now search for *Jasper Texas* and use dragged and killed as your search criteria. You will know what clockwood is talking about. :cool: :D

Now search for *Jasper Texas* and use dragged and killed as your search criteria. You will know what clockwood is talking about.
Would that be this?
Texas NAACP: The Brutal Murder of James Byrd, Jr. of Jasper. (http://www.texasnaacp.org/jasper.htm)

Thing is, no meathook was used.
And I can't help but remember one of the interminable religious classes they had us kids sit through where it was explained that the nails went through the wrists in a crucifixion because if they went through the palms the weight of the body would rip the nail out through the fingers. Strikes me that that's what a meathook would do as well, unless you got it into a place that would end up killing the person more or less instantly as well.

It's all rather puzzling in a macabre way.
C'mon clockwood, we're curious. Where are the links? The photos? The articles? The Amnesty International reports?

You guys who think 18 year olds join the military so that they can go out and kill people are totally missinformed, and a little sick.

If they wanted to kill they could just join a street gang. Google "gang related killings" and you will get the picture.

The truth is 22% join the military for the educational benifits.
17% join to get training that may help them get a job in the civilian world. (only a fraction of military jobs involve carrying weapons) 10% join because they can't find a job. 18% join join because they just want to get away from their current situation. Of the remainder, recruiting in high schools is the biggest, factor in enticing young people to join. After recruiting pressure comes family tradition, right thing to do, and lastly; world events, as reasons they join.

Travel to the Indian reservations in northeastern AZ , or visit any inner city and you will see why many join.

For the above reasons over 400,000 young Americans (average age 19) join the military each year. Do we blame the kids, or blame our society?

Since the end of the draft in 1973 a growing gap between the general public and the military has come to exist. Prior to 1973 nearly every American had a family member who was, or had been in the military. And more than 50% of males had served in the military. This gave all people a familiarity with something that they now totally are ignorant of. Currently for the majority , the military is a scary unknown entity, and totally missunderstood by the average poster here.

This disassociation with the military by the average American has allowed the current administration to "do as it pleased" with our young people who serve their country. If you want a change, do it at the voting booth.

I have been against this war from the get go, but I will never lower myself to put blame on our young people in uniform. Each year there are 400,000 reasons why our wars have been fought over there, and not over here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97jul/milisoc.htm

You guys who think 18 year olds join the military so that they can go out and kill people are totally missinformed, and a little sick.
Wrong thread perhaps Jusa?

Sorry I should have addressed the post to CounslerCoffee, who referred to the American soldiers as "kill bots". Go ahead and read the thread, you might learn something.

Ah. Missed that one Jusa.
Mind you, given the research being done, "kill-bots" will soon be the right term. (I'm referring to the trend in mounting weaons systems on autonomous vehicles like the Predator UAV and a few modified Hummvees).

I agree with you on that terminology. I am also concered that since there is such a great scisim growing between soldiers and civilians that no one will notice as the government encourages the military to "brain wash" and dehumanize those who do join the military. But again I can't blame the kids join for that, I blame the government, especially the current administration.

Getting back to what was mostly the topic:

There were horrible atrocities in Iraq, just read a few paragraphs of the links below.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/iraqwar/story/0,4395,181109,00.html

Let me ask you a question do you think that the US military, or portions of it go mutiny in Iraq? If so what do you think the implactions of that will be?

I have been wondering about that possibility. The young troops over there are living under brutal oppressive conditions. For the most part they still sleep on the ground in 110 degree heat. They have been lied to about when they will be sent home. That along with being shot at routinely will take its toll psycholgically, and something will have to give sooner or later.

To stave off any attemt at mutiny I imagine that the army will try to weed out those who are near the breaking point and send them elsewhere. Where that will be I am not sure. If they send them home everyone will be "about to break".

I remember during the Vietnam era that there were a lot of fragmentation grenades rolled into officers tents in the middle of the night. The military should be expecting that so I imagine that the grunts and the officers have separated sleeping arrangements.

The best we can do as individuals is to e-mail our elected officials and let them know how we feel.

Odd this reminded me of a time many years ago when I was in the military. The only time I ever saw total fear in the eyes of my commanding officer was one morning at roll call when the mother of one of the guys showed up with her congressman.

:eek:

American soldiers are dying and? They went to die for America, remember. They are killers as well lest we forget that. And for Clock a democratic Israel wouldn't do this would they?

That was my point.

You guys who think 18 year olds join the military so that they can go out and kill people are totally missinformed, and a little sick.

What's even sicker are those kids in Africa, that are like 12, and carry M-16's. If the US of A is so concerned with human rights, than we need to be in Africa. Not Iraq.

well pack your bags and volunteer. i am surprised you are still here

We do live in a sick world when 12 year olds carry and use fully automatic weapons. I saw a video clip on CNN the other day and I swear the armed African kid in the clip wasn't over 10years old.

Ironically the only way to stop it is to send in our 19 year olds and we aren't about to do that unless they have something we want.

As far as the evolution of man goes we seem to be regressing.:(

Regress? I'm not sure we did much evolving after the opposible thumb and coherent speach. Put technology aside and we never really have been much above Lucy. If we regress any we are going to start having to pick lice off your mate and eating them.

Look around. What you see is what has always been, just on a larger scale. 6 billion monkeys instead of a few million and with guns instead of branches and stones.