Do animals rape eachother?


In humans, the definition of rape is a wide one, stretching from statutory rape to cases where the rapist(s) physically disable the victim by a previous fight in which the victim, upon defending themselves, gets so seriously injured that they cannot defend themselves anymore, and then the rapist(s) take(s) advantage of them.

I am wondering if this is the case in animals too: Does it happen that a male, in a fight, physically injures the female so much that she cannot defend herself anymore, and then rapes her?

Are you serious?

I certainly don't know, but there must be occations in nature where one partner is not entirely willing.

Perhaps they will rape in self defense!

Of course they do.

Of course they do.

Can you back this up with some studies?

lol.
it is everywhere though.

Getting consent for sex is a human social construction. In nature, sexual partners are often determined amongst competing males, and has nothing to do with the female's "wishes". You just have to watch some of those nature shows on public TV to see it.

It's almost wrong to think of it that way. It is like considering if animals steal, murder, blackmail, or prostitute- applying human traits and motivations to animals. Do lions murder buffalo? Are ants that invade termite mounds and eat their children guilty of war crimes?

You have to remember that very few animals have the kind of sexuality that humans do. In most species, the females have an estrus cycle. They are physically capable of having intercourse only during a short period of time (e.g., in dogs and cats it's about six days, twice a year), during which time they are fertile. During that time they exude pheromones and drive the males crazy. Stallions, bulls, and rams fight -- sometimes to the death -- over the privilege of having sex -- and of course their babies are born with the ability to run so can get by without much fathering. Dogs are more prolific, every male in the pack gets his turn with any female in heat so they all think they're the babies' father and will protect with their lives the little blind pups who can barely crawl.

When the females are not in estrus they exude no pheromones and the males don't even think about having sex with them. Couldn't get an erection to save their life.

Humans are practically unique. Our females are capable of having intercourse at any point during their fertility/infertility cycle, which happens once a month -- astoundingly frequent for an animal of our size with a gestation period of nearly a year. Our males don't need a burst of pheromones in the air in order to feel like having sex. We can couple anytime we want. And unfortunately, a male can force a woman to couple when she doesn't want to -- because they are both physically capable of doing it even if one is forced to.

One of the few other mammals that is not bound to an estrus cycle is the dolphin. And, of course, one of the few other mammals that is capable of enacting a rape is the dolphin.

I can't cite a reference -- although there's probably one on the web these days, everything else is. About fifteen years ago I read an article reporting that the dolphins off the coast of Australia engage in rape. In a three dimensional environment, for an animal with no arms, it's not easy. So they have to do a gang rape. Three bulls corner a cow and take turns, one having intercourse while the other two pen her in and keep her from swimming away. And three more participate -- they stand guard a short distance away to prevent anyone from coming to her rescue.

Six on one. Is that chickenshit or what?

Fortunately this is not universal behavior in dolphins. No one (at least at that time) has ever reported seeing this happen in other populations of dolphins.

At any rate, rape is physically impossible in most species. Unfortunately, in one of the most intelligent, charismatic species we know, it is not only possible but it happens.

I've heard of it occuring among chimps and gorillas, who share many of our sexual traits.

Yes it happens in chimps and gorillas, monkeys, also all kinds of pinnipeds(where even pedophilic rape is common). Fraggle there has definately been more than one case of dolphin rape, I have seen more than 1 case on television so I'm sure it happens quite a bit. Apparently it won't happen within a group, but rival groups will kidnap females from eachother and may keep them hostage and rape them repeatedly for weeks.
It is also common in whales, infact many whales seem to have evolved penises especially designed for rape. I've witnessed whale rape and the female would try to twist and turn out of the way but the males penis was so long and manuveurable that it could just wrap around her and probe its way into her sex organ.
Even fish, except its not exactly rape. Some fish will sneak in and fertilise a females eggs even though she hasn't given consent, while the male she did give consent to isn't watching. Its not penetration, but still.
If you are trying to figure out if its a natural behaviour in humans I'm sure it is. As in I'm sure its occurred since before we even became a species and all the way up untill now where it still occurs. The first homo sapien may have even been concieved by way of rape (that would be quite fitting if you ask me).

Fraggle, I don't agree that females need to be in estrus for males to even get an erection because my cousins female dog became stuck in their fence with her backside sticking out to the street and a stray dog litterally raped her. She had been spayed for years so she definately wasn't in estrus.

Its not surprising that rape is common in the animal kingdom (probably the plant kingdom too but i wouldn't know), any behaviour that continues your genetic legacy is favoured by evolution. In case you haven't noticed, nature doesn't much care for the rights of individuals.

Thank you for your response.

First of all, I know that animals have a different sexual life than humans, and that human terminology is not applicable.
But I made it clear in the opening post what I was wondering about -- rape with *physical assault*. Physical assault is observable.


So this happens in primates, whales, dolphins, dogs -- it is interesting that these happen to be the most intelligent animals, using tools or elaborate hunting techniques.

As if intellect goes hand in hand with deliberate violence.

Maybe it's because greater intellect expands the boundaries of "love" in both directions - negative and positive. Where there cannot be rational consent to sex, there can't be forced sex, either. If resistance to sex and violence is just a preference, then what processes make it possible for that preference to be respected? But if they are an asserted right, it becomes a moral issue. The animal world doesn't share our moral assertions, things are sorted out by force and displays of strength.

Humans have the capacity to live a mental life apart from their natural ones. That's why sex isn't just a reproductive impulse, or even just a pleasurable one (morally, of course). And why violence isn't just an assertion of the alpha male.

"Sex without love is violence" (from the movie Body Shots).

I don't think its common for dogs to rape, this instance was the first time I heard of it, I think it was purely due to the nature of the predicament the female dog got herself into. Usually male dogs will mount females but the females protests will make the male back off. This female couldn't effectively fight the dog off after it mounted her, so thats how it happened, I'd guess its not usual. I don't think male dogs beat up females and rape them. I've never heard of such a thing happening and I've noticed with dogs that males in general tend to be nice to females.
Lots of species attempt to just hump a member of the opposite sex, but usually won't retaliate to the females defensive reaction with violence, they'll just keep trying to hump untill they get sick of her beating them up.
Male elephants occassionally have tantrums when denied sex and might beat up the female that denied them or even beat up her children. But I haven't seen them beat up a female and then hump her while she was injured.
Chimps commonly hold grudges against females that resist their advances and will often wait untill the dominant male is away to administer a brutal beating to said female, occassionally even murdering them.
But again, going straight from a beating to a humping is something I haven't really heard of. Forcefully humping is more common then beating and then humping I think.
Sea lions and elephant seals would be an exception, they do horrible things to eachother.
Male sea lions fight for a beach filled with females, but then this leaves lots of males on the sidelines with no females, they become extremely frustrated because they had to travel far to that beach for a chance to get laid. They will often take it out on youngsters that stray from the group, they will beat them up and throw them around and then rape them, usually killing them.
Its really disturbing to see, definately one of the things on my top 10 list of "events in nature that I don't want to see again". Along with baby eagles pecking their little brothers to death, baboons casually eating gazelles alive starting at their back legs and paralysis tick victims being eaten by ants.

Dogs are more prolific, every male in the pack gets his turn with any female in heat so they all think they're the babies' father and will protect with their lives the little blind pups who can barely crawl.
Do the dogs understand that the pups are born because of what they have done to the mother few months back ?!

About fifteen years ago I read an article reporting that the dolphins off the coast of Australia engage in rape. In a three dimensional environment, for an animal with no arms, it's not easy. So they have to do a gang rape. Three bulls corner a cow and take turns, one having intercourse while the other two pen her in and keep her from swimming away. And three more participate -- they stand guard a short distance away to prevent anyone from coming to her rescue.

Six on one. Is that chickenshit or what?.

Unless the dolphin bulls hold the cow tightly, she can have the bulls, just escorting her closely around till they exhaust, if she wishes (maneuvering ability of female dolphins is as equal as that of the bulls if not more). But it is wiser to get rid of the nuisance (!) soon and make it as short as possible, and their intercourse would not be as hurting as their fight with her for not doing a favour.

This female couldn't effectively fight the dog off after it mounted her
Still she could run away on all her four leaving the 'rapist' jerking off in the air.., if she wishes.

I was reffering to an incident where my cousin's dog became stuck in their fence.
There was a gap in the fence she used to go in and out of but a neighbour started feeding her all the time and she got really fat and then one day she got stuck trying to get back into her own yard. When her owners found her, her back end was stuck out on the sidewalk and a stray dog was boning it. She was really stuck, they had to take a paling out of the fence.

oh.. in that case she was helpless. Man, it is disgusting to see dogs exploiting the situation like humans.

You can often see male dogs raping other males.

The situation is usually so: A dog is tied to a chain at his house. Another dog comes to his territory. The dog that is chained can fight, but the chain restricts him, he cannot run away even he wanted to. The intruder rapes him.

I live in the country and many people have dogs chained. Every now and then, a dog breaks free, or they let him free, and goes on a spree of rape and other violence through the village. It's horrid.

In applying natural law/system-- how much rape is justified? Is it a social sin/crime or/and a natural sin/crime? Do the animal rape or it is just part of the game? If sperms movement is somewhat raping the ova? :D

I suppose animals are different from humans in that even if the sex is not consentual, there is little point in it being violent, because this would reduce the ability of the mother to care for the kids, and it is still reproduction that is the goal. When humans rape, reproduction is not the goal.

Male Koalas constantly rape female Koalas when it is breeding time. If she is tired and refuses the male Koala will litrally drag her against her will and have sex with her. See the video, it gets quite violent.

Are you serious?

I certainly don't know, but there must be occations in nature where one partner is not entirely willing.

Perhaps they will rape in self defense!

I am a chameleon breeder myself, and believe me if i would do what those males do, I'll be in prison and never come out.
Even if the females are biting, they just take em.

Who has ever seen animals courting seeing stick there tongue in their partners mouth?

I suppose animals are different from humans in that even if the sex is not consentual, there is little point in it being violent, because this would reduce the ability of the mother to care for the kids, and it is still reproduction that is the goal.

Well, that's the thing: Is it really true that the reproduction is always the goal when animals have sex?
We only assume so.

Are there any observations that speak angainst such assumptions?

All animals are inspired to mate because it is a pleasurable experience for them.
The real reason behind every animal having sex (including humans) is reproduction.
If animals really had repoduction in mind while mating that would mean they are smarter than us.

Don't sealions and sea elephants overpower the smaller females. It almost looks like rape.

I mentioned them spurious.
Geeze what the hell is wrong with you?! Argh, I'm furious :mad: I'm furious at spurious!

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I mentioned them spurious.
Geeze what the hell is wrong with you?! Argh, I'm furious :mad: I'm furious at spurious!

Oh ja...i see...

If reproduction is only the goal--do the animals knows that they are doing for reproduction? I don't think it is like so. It is the nature who created this willingness/exitability/voilance or like rape for encouraging the reproduction. It is bit matches with the nature's law i.e. 'survival of the fittest'. Alike when a human rape--it may be just due to this initiation. But just to avoid jungle/nature's rule, society may put certain restrictions & punishment. It is not just by thinking -to do the rape but it is just by natural initiation to encourage for reproduction of the fittest.

All animals are inspired to mate because it is a pleasurable experience for them.
The real reason behind every animal having sex (including humans) is reproduction.
If animals really had repoduction in mind while mating that would mean they are smarter than us.

What about the entire domain of sex outside the penis+vagina world? I hope you're not suggesting that the "real reason" gay males hump each other is reproduction? :bugeye:

Believe it or not, a lot of animals don't realise that having sex will produce offspring! They just get a pleasurable feeling from it (like eating good food when ur starving!) and then a few weeks or months later, the female reaslises she is suddenly pregnant. To the animals, this might as well be a spontaneous thing which occurs in all females during their lifecycle!

Having sexual urge is clearly nature's reproductory mechanism. How the urge is fulfilled depends on various factors. This mechanism generally ensures that the urge is mutal and enabling for both male & female for the sake of reproduction. Whatever violence against female & deviations in the process don't come under the scope of reproductory mechanism.

Everneo,

Whatever violence against female & deviations in the process don't come under the scope of reproductory mechanism.

If they don't come under the scope of the reproductory mechanism -- under the scope of what do they come then?

Under what scope they come under is a difficult question to answer, for me. But reproductory mechanism restricts itself with arising & enabling sexual urge in males & females. A loose analogy to this would be, its like handing over a loaded gun to someone, in the hope that he uses it properly. Whether the shooter passionately shoots the genuine target OR fanatically shoots the easy targets OR having a tendency to shoot the wrong targets is upto the shooter.

Believe it or not, a lot of animals don't realise that having sex will produce offspring! Having sexual urge is clearly nature's reproductory mechanism... Whatever violence against female & deviations in the process don't come under the scope of reproductory mechanism. Why then nature created this violance? Is it not common among all animals? If it is not a part of reproductive mechanism--why it is made to form a part of the game? Does it enhances or improve the reproductive mechanism? All these questions are to be really thought. Btw, do you have any technical knowledge that more the violance better can be the reproductive mechanism---may enhance forcefull ejection & strong sperm to reach first (just for the "survival of the fittest"). I don't know if it can be linked to sex determination.

Why was the assumption made that sex is pleasureable for ALL animals just because it is for humans. Exactly how was it found out?

Since we make the generalisation that dogs wag their tails when they're happy, do dogs wag their tails while humping another.

Or do they show it in another way?

Why then nature created this violance? Is it not common among all animals? If it is not a part of reproductive mechanism--why it is made to form a part of the game? Does it enhances or improve the reproductive mechanism? All these questions are to be really thought. Btw, do you have any technical knowledge that more the violance better can be the reproductive mechanism---may enhance forcefull ejection & strong sperm to reach first (just for the "survival of the fittest"). I don't know if it can be linked to sex determination.

Kumar, its as simple as males can mate much more than females and are 'programmed' to do so. If a female refuses and a male is feeling really horny (as he is often likely to do so) then he might break whatever civility he had and rape her. In humans sometimes it is more complicated (it could be just a dominant thing etc.)

Why was the assumption made that sex is pleasureable for ALL animals just because it is for humans. Exactly how was it found out?

Since we make the generalisation that dogs wag their tails when they're happy, do dogs wag their tails while humping another.

Or do they show it in another way?

The assumption was made Phantom, that animals DO NOT actually realise that what they are doing when they are having sex is passing on their genes. How then do the genes get the animals to do it? By making it pleasurable. Might not be the same pleasure we experience however :)

John,

Yes it is ok but I was just thinking that if there can be any technicality is involved in this voilance. When it is more exited/voilent-- can't it be possible that more healthy sperms are first reaches the target OR Can it be related for sex determination?

If it is all programming: Why then are males programmed to mate much more than females?
There seems to be a quite an unequal dispersion of the sexual instinct between the sexes. Why?

I think it is applicable in all living beings including plants. Nature might had not willing to loose a single female chance of mating or due to selection of the strongest.

If it is all programming: Why then are males programmed to mate much more than females?
There seems to be a quite an unequal dispersion of the sexual instinct between the sexes. Why?

Because women having sex while pregnant does no good, but men can have sex til the cows come home... And even then they can keep on going.

Might be interesting to add that that gorilla's have some of the tiniest balls of the primates, while chimp balls are huge. We humans are in between. This is common knowledge, so shouldn't surprise anyone here. I wonder if a chimp saw a man naked if he would laugh at his small balls. What would he think of a gorilla? Do you think chimps eye each others balls to see who's got the biggest?

If it is all programming: Why then are males programmed to mate much more than females?
There seems to be a quite an unequal dispersion of the sexual instinct between the sexes. Why?

Ahh, thats where biology comes in! Females have a more 'expensive' gamete (the egg) which is only produced every now and again while males have millions at any time! The female must therefore choose the most suitable male she can find whereas the males can pretty much do the deed with anyone as long as they're horny! because the males gametes are less valuable, they strive to involve their gametes in as many sexual fusions as they can in their lifetime so that they actually get the same worth (if not more) as the females :)

John,

because the males gametes are less valuable, they strive to involve their gametes in as many sexual fusions as they can in their lifetime so that they actually get the same worth (if not more) as the females

Are you in some way implying that males *compensate* the lesser worth of their gametes (lesser worth in comparison to female gametes) -- by being violent at sex?

This may be an absurd generalization, but still: Males are violent as a result of compensating certain lacks. ??

U asked about the reason that males mate more frequently than females. Thats is what I've answered!

If voilance is common in all or most animals as well as in humans--- it should be for some natural reasons. I think it can't be other than that: the fittest takes the lead or somewhat for a deep penetration.

U asked about the reason that males mate more frequently than females. Thats is what I've answered!

Frequency is one thing, violence another. Or not?

If voilance is common in all or most animals as well as in humans--- it should be for some natural reasons. I think it can't be other than that: the fittest takes the lead or somewhat for a deep penetration.
Most of the rapists are unfit losers, hitting at weak moments.
When the fittest animal approaches a female there might not be violent protest at all. Ofcourse still it is rape, but with out violence.
What violence has to do with deep penetration ?

There have to be some natural/technical resons for violance since it is common in animals & humans? Is it not like that society has given name of violance as rape and made it a criminal offence causing a feeling of moral offence only in humans? I think animal do not feel it as a moral offence. There can be some natural truths which might have got restricted for social purposes.

Frequency is one thing, violence another. Or not?

Exactly, they're two different things so its got nothing to do with how frequent males mate.

I DO NOT believe violence during sex is a common thing in humans and so i do not think it is the most natural/efficient way of reproducing or indeed being selected for.

I saw this National Geographic where this female camel and her little babie were wandering around the desert because they had lost their herd or something, and came upon a group of adolescent males. The males took turns raping the mother while other ones tried to stomp the baby in order to eliminate future competition.

Luckily the baby survived and the mother got away.

Is it not the same as sexual vigour & sexual violance. Vigour means:an exertion of force; "he plays tennis with great energy" or active strength of body or mind.;)

A possible explanation for it is that animals displaying sexual vigour might be selected for in the long run! We are evolving towards a rapist society. :D

Don't you feel that rape is a word/aspect created/defined by the society but not by the nature? Don't we confuse/hang in between natural & scocial rules? What do you think which are truely correct?

What do u mean by correct? I think some of our morals are based on the idea of equality and protection of individuals. I think it is a good way of living but it is certainly not used by any other species on the planet!

But suppose any practice or way of living eventhough looks better, but is against nature's law/system-- is coorect or not? Can it cause a nuture imbalance at a later date? Violance/vigour/rape/drive/enthusiasm/excitment/force in sex--if can have some technical reasons( may have if natural & common in all species) & if restricted-- may cause some natural imbalances/defects at a later date.

The suggestion that dogs only respond to female chemical releases as a means of achieving an erection and becoming horny, sounds like a city slicker's view of the animal world.

Being a farm boy in my youth and being over 60, I would like to have just $1 for every dog I have seen latch onto my leg or another humans legs (male or female) and display a boner and attempt to have sex. :D

But suppose any practice or way of living eventhough looks better, but is against nature's law/system-- is coorect or not? Can it cause a nuture imbalance at a later date? Violance/vigour/rape/drive/enthusiasm/excitment/force in sex--if can have some technical reasons( may have if natural & common in all species) & if restricted-- may cause some natural imbalances/defects at a later date.

I do not believe there are any significant "technical" advantages to aggressive sex.

I do not believe there are any significant "technical" advantages to aggressive sex. Does the aggressiveness not encourage better(stronger ones), fast or deep movement of sperms? Does it not somewhat related to 'survival of fittest system of nature? Btw, do the aggressiveness in hunger/eating causes some better secretion of GIT secretions? :) High Stomach acidity may show hypertype temprament & opposite.

Does the aggressiveness not encourage better(stronger ones), fast or deep movement of sperms?

Being aggressive will not motivate your sperm!

Does it not somewhat related to 'survival of fittest system of nature?

There may be a case that (at least in our past) females were attracted to aggressive males because of their strength and determination.

Btw, do the aggressiveness in hunger/eating causes some better secretion of GIT secretions? :) High Stomach acidity may show hypertype temprament & opposite.

Well, u DO get indigestion when u eat too fast :D

Being aggressive will not motivate your sperm!

There may be a case that (at least in our past) females were attracted to aggressive males because of their strength and determination.

Well, u DO get indigestion when u eat too fast :D

If not then what about more secretion or any pH differance on aggressiveness?

Previously, we were according to SOF, what was the logic behind the female attraction towards aggressive males because of their strength and determination? Was it a inbuild test/judgement for better offsprings? Does it happens in other species(fighting looks to be there for this). :)

Do we also get some kind of indigestion/imbalance, when we do/go fast in sex(not aggressive)? :D

If not then what about more secretion or any pH differance on aggressiveness?

Do we also get some kind of indigestion/imbalance, when we do/go fast in sex(not aggressive)? :D

I really don't think pH in the body can have such widespread effects do you?! Why are u so interested in pH anyway?!

Previously, we were according to SOF, what was the logic behind the female attraction towards aggressive males because of their strength and determination? Was it a inbuild test/judgement for better offsprings? Does it happens in other species(fighting looks to be there for this). :)

Females want an agressive man because he will be able to protect her and her offspring at theirmost vulnerable moments. There's also the element of being a better hunter etc.
This sexual selection for vigour happens in most species.

Rape could be a stable evolutionary strategy. Ironically this means that it wouldn't be a stable strategy if this was the only strategy, but there could be a balance between the strategy of rape and the strategy of being a good providing husband.

Rape could be a stable evolutionary strategy. Ironically this means that it wouldn't be a stable strategy if this was the only strategy, but there could be a balance between the strategy of rape and the strategy of being a good providing husband.

Rape may not be the only stable evolutionary strategy in nature also. Animals/birds or other species may also be doing something else( love..etc.), other than just aggression/rape. Aggression can be one natural aspect. However, making love & doing aggression/voilance--can both together be the strategy of being a good providing husband in nature, but it may not be in society.

I really don't think pH in the body can have such widespread effects do you?! Why are u so interested in pH anyway?!

It represent 'environment' & environment can mean everything or basis of basics. Consider pH role in gender selection, prostatic acid phosphatase (an enzyme found primarily in men in the prostate gland and semen to determine the health of the prostate gland. Prostate dysfunction results in the release of PAP into the blood.) There can be a link between low pH(acidity) & aggresiveness & prostatic fluid release. :)

Females want an agressive man because he will be able to protect her and her offspring at theirmost vulnerable moments. There's also the element of being a better hunter etc.
This sexual selection for vigour happens in most species.

"This sexual selection for vigour happens in most species." This is most important to think & judge. Females in other/most species may not be so weak, physically, as is considered in humans (Nature made it or we made it, I can't comment). Why then it so happen in most other species?

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We may have to look GIT pH bit deeply.

"This sexual selection for vigour happens in most species." This is most important to think & judge. Females in other/most species may not be so weak, physically, as is considered in humans (Nature made it or we made it, I can't comment). Why then it so happen in most other species?

In those species, the females are the aggresive ones :D

In those species, the females are the aggresive ones :D All may have to contribute for better selection & reproductions(obiously, for pleasure also a gift/return-gift, alongwith :D). However, it is becoming difficult for me to convince even about male aggresiveness, do you want to go furthur towards other natural initiation? :)

Do the pre-aggresions/hard-excercises, for all or most needs for natural survivals & growth, are common in other species than humans? Some can be like searching for foods, hunting, tree climbings,snatching/stealing sex-voilances/aggresiveness..etc.? Trolling for knowledge/treasure can be also a pre-aggresion/hard-excercise(all may not agree but true). :) Why all these are linked to pre-aggresions/hard-excercises? Is there any scientific reason for it?

Aggression will only be selected for if it can provide an advantage to the individual.

Does it mean that non-aggressive selections can be somewhat less advantageous?

Evolutionary stable strategies

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/06/2/l_062_03.html


I guess you thought you knew what it meant not realizing it is a specific concept.

Does it mean that non-aggressive selections can be somewhat less advantageous?

There is no such thing as a less-advantageous selection!

The old idea had been that selection inevitably favors organisms to act aggressively. Smith showed that this isn't necessarily true, and that selection may actually favor both aggressive and non-aggressive behaviors.(from above provided link) It is not only myself, who only know it. But I am just indicationg that aggressiveness can also be natural or for better natural selection. Same species like humans can be Veg. or non-veg, alkaline or acidic.

There is no such thing as a less-advantageous selection!John, I think you are right. It may be possible that aggresive ones may select non-aggressive ones and opposite to balance & for advantageous natural selection. However, it may be bit resisted/restricted/altered in society.

Rape is a human definition that cannot be interpreted by animals. They are not sentien beings. They DO NOT live by are standards of ethics and morals. They dont know neither cant they react to such human things like "rape".

Might want to change it to "evolution and hybrid procreation" not rape

Do animals rape eachother?


In humans, the definition of rape is a wide one, stretching from statutory rape to cases where the rapist(s) physically disable the victim by a previous fight in which the victim, upon defending themselves, gets so seriously injured that they cannot defend themselves anymore, and then the rapist(s) take(s) advantage of them.

I am wondering if this is the case in animals too: Does it happen that a male, in a fight, physically injures the female so much that she cannot defend herself anymore, and then rapes her?

Brilliant question, Rosa. Theoretically, human legal edict is based on the ideal that a given individual does not have the right to strip another individual of his or her natural rights, those being the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (God bless America :m: ). Your question asks not whether or not such suppositions are valid, but whether animals share our instinctual understanding of moral right. My freshman year at university, a wrote a paper which attempted to prove that moral rights and wrongs in human society were a natural product of evolution in any social being. That is, as social creature, humans rely on other humans to survive, just as a pride of lions relies on the other members of the pride to survive. Once an individual within the collective acts against the common good of the group, the group is threatened, and the individual is ostracized, either directly or indirectly as a result of his crime. Either way, his or her life is inevitably forfeit. Bearing that in mind, and definidng rape as, broadly, the engaging in of nonconsensual sexual acts, we can determine that:

Animals are capable of rape. Humans, at the least, do so, and humans are an animal.

Rape is unacceptable. It challenges the social precepts established by evolution which allow social creatures to survive, acting as a group.

In a pride of lions, rape may be defined as an outsider male engaging in intercourse with the females of a pride under another males control. Doing so may not meet the standards of rape within human society, but poses no less a threat to the prides survival than the act of rape as we (humans) understand it. And thus, to the pride, to a lion, this is an unacceptable course, and one which must be resolved by trial (trial by combat for the poor primitive lions :( ) and punishment for the guilty party.

So, do animals rape? Yes, but as in humans it is not the natural state of affairs and is not part of Mother Natures grand plan, hence our (and there) innate abhorrence of those who commit it. But, depending on the social norms of a given species, and the relation of these norms to sexual behaviors, what is rape for a given animal may not be rape for another.

Let us understand this concept by understanding the dict. meaning of differant words/aspects related to it:-

Rape: to have sexual intercourse with a woman without her consent and chiefly by force or deception.

Violence: exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in effecting illegal entry into a house).

Aggression:a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master.

Vigor: active bodily or mental strength or force : intensity of action or effect : FORCE.

What do you comment, what actually animal do? :)

I guess nobody bothers with viable biological concepts anymore.

I think, Unviable, mistaken or weak natural selections may not be able to survive much in nature to carry on anymore under ' survival of the fittest'.

I guess nobody bothers with viable biological concepts anymore.

Then, it is up to you to bother with viable biological concepts!

Take arms against the sea of trouble and by opposing end them!

I did.

Sorry, this is a reply to the first page, concerning if animals use physical force to "rape" other animals.

The male (house)cat bites down on the female's neck while mating, perhaps to keep her from escaping? I'm unsure if that would be considered rape though, for an animal.

Evolutionary stable strategies

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/06/2/l_062_03.html


I guess you thought you knew what it meant not realizing it is a specific concept.Evolutionary stable strategies: I want to learn it more. Some vedic astrological match-making somewhat indicate it but both in social & nature's sense:-
Health and family happiness
Temperament and harmony
Well-being and longevity
Boy's star/girl's star distance(friendship, enemical, compensating etc.)
Sexual compatibility happiness
Wealth, prosperity, mutual regard and affection
Amenability between wife & husband
Stability of married life, afflictions and ego matches

http://astrology.indiainfo.com/paid-serv/match_making.shtml
http://www.jyotishvani.com/horoscope-matching/relationShip.asp

I heard in a program in discovery channel that packs of camel young males do rape lonely females. I can't remember if they killed its offspring too, or just hited him a bit, or even if did nothing to him, but I think I remember that at least he watched impotently and do not liked

did you know female spiders and pray mantis EAT there mates during sex?

also we have chickens and the roster jumps on top of the hen and bites onto the skin at the back of her head to hold on while doing her, now i dont speak chicken so i guess its POSSABLE he asked first:p

The dominant males kill or scare off the weaker males animals and then they mate with a ton of females.. think ive seen this in seals.