Do you think that mild occurences of sexism
are representative of greater atrocities, such as rape
of thousands of women in the east?

I mean, if you suffer a small injustice in your 'safe' suburban
town is it worth debating because it might lead to
'political' revelations about oppressed people on a global scale.

sorry if my grammar is poor; it's early.

Originally posted by susan
Do you think that mild occurences of sexism
are representative of greater atrocities, such as rape
of thousands of women in the east?No.I mean, if you suffer a small injustice in your 'safe' suburban
town is it worth debating because it might lead to
'political' revelations about oppressed people on a global scale.Yes.

Your statements are rather broad and without example.

:m: Peace.

I think we have a problem all around the world, that being the complete lack of education in matters logical and philosophical. The first thing all people should be taught is that they do not have the right to infringe upon the body of another. Talk, have different opinions, swear at each other, spread lies and more; just don't touch another person without their permission. This needs to be drilled into individuals and entire cultures alike.

Would you need permission to touch another person if they touched you without your permission, or touched someone else without their permission, or did or were doing severe harm to another person without touching?

hmm. last question interesting, many little
hideaways in that queries, i mean, for misinterpretation.

but, this occurred to me:
say you saw somebody raping or hurting someone physically..
I guess you should sort of, if possible, say something like,
"I am going to use physical force to stop you!"
and then grab them or whatever....
like calling pool shots; it is only customary.... perhaps!

safest thing to do is call the police, that way if they have a weapon you don't get caught. And the person doing it doesn't get the chance to rape or hurt another person. If there are other people around, scream and make a noise and draw as much attention as you can.

It all depends on the culture you came from, whether or not you can touch someone.

As for the whole rape issue, sociologists are still fighting viciously over the cause of it. Some people think it's about dominance, others think it's about sexual gratification, etc. Personally I think the former makes more sense. If it's about gratification alone then you couldn't explain the rape cases of wo/men of all ages.

I think force is often the best choice to stop a rapist or other criminal committing violence on another. If someone is about to throw a Molotov cocktail into a house I think hitting them with a big rock is appropriate.

No touching / use of force is a worthy goal but unrealistic as long as people will harm others. Authorities need to touch to apprehend and imprison uncooperative criminals, whether or not the crime involved touching. People should be taught about minimizing touching rather than eliminating it.

Jesus, it's a sure sign that we're becoming a culture of pussies when we debate whether it's okay to use force to stop a rape.

say you saw somebody raping or hurting someone physically..

Grab a video camera. Man, you can make a fortune off that shit on the internet. :)

i dont get it

sexisum occurs BOTH ways

ill admit it occurs MORE to women but how many girls have gone out to perve at guys, grabed a GUYS butt at a bar ect?????

it happens and its caused by our need to procreate normally combine with achole

it doesnt mean that that person would rape someone

hell it boosts SOME peoples ego

i was lissioning to the radio one day and the female presenter said she was quite flatted that some teen ages wolf whisled her

Is the question whether its ok to touch a person sexually without permission or to use force to stop a rape?

either way, it is all in the perseption......what is considered unwanted sexual touch and what is force? it all depends on the people, situation and amount.

as for women in the middle east, it is a part of the culture to punish a woman by having her raped for speaking to a man outside of her family in public (or some offence like that).

While it is unfair to place western ideals on other cultures, I think that is totally obsurd and the punishment should at least fit the crime (which this doesnt)

Why do you think it is unfair to place western ideals on other cultures? What do you think the woman being punished thinks? You can bet it is not part of the women’s culture there to punish by rape. We don’t know for sure because the women there cannot be heard; their voice is stifled by the men. By force.

you do realise that those who orded that were chaged and face the death penelty?

"sexism"

hehe. sort of gives me a chuckle.

okay, it's partially a valid concept, like... if chicks can't vote and junk. that wouldn't be very fair. however, if a guy looks at your ass... welcome to the species.

i happen to agree with the above statement

as i know HEEPS of girls who go out JUST to perve at guys (my sister included) of corse if it goes further than perving thats different

Originally posted by Asguard
you do realise that those who orded that were chaged and face the death penelty?

Yes. Public pressure from the West helps. The world is changing. Although I wouldn’t kill them.

I guess you should sort of, if possible, say something like,
"I am going to use physical force to stop you!"

LOL!

"HEY! I am going to throw a punch at you! I am using my left fist, and I am aiming at your right ear!" -POW!- "Hey man, why'd you hit me? You're supposed to warn me first!" -POW!- "Stop it!" -POW!- -POW!- -PUMMEL!- "Help!"

Originally posted by Asguard
i dont get it

sexisum occurs BOTH ways

ill admit it occurs MORE to women but how many girls have gone out to perve at guys, grabed a GUYS butt at a bar ect?????



is that big biker boy still bothering you?

;)

every boy in town is bothering me.

people come up in a bar... attempt to stupify, hit on me.
i don't know what to do. I don't have a hubby or engagement
ring. sigh sigh sigh.

susan,

Where are you from?

You wanna hook up?

:D

LOL! Flirting on a rape thread!

J/K susan, I'm married (although that doesn't stop some guys, eh?). Just couldn't resist!

The people who go to bars all the time ared those who pick up, have short flings, and move on; the next week it's back to the bar, same again. Both guys and girls. This is basically the extent of "dating culture" in Australia, USA, and several other countries. The people who are involved in this are emotional backwash, as deep as the shallow end of the kiddy pool, and in my opinion quite pathetic. That's what they go there for; you really must expect it, if you attend such places.

I don't have a hubby or engagement ring

Just put a ring on your wedding finger when you go out, and say you're engaged or married, but your man is in prison for murdering the last guy that flirted with you. Then tell them your man gets out of prison next week. :D

LOL! Flirting on a rape thread!

men!!! we are dogs with no shame!

:D

I would have to agree with you, Adam. But I do know that sometimes people just want to go out to hang out with other people. Kinda like 'boys night out', or vice versa. But yeah, the majority go out for the reasons you described.

Originally posted by susan
every boy in town is bothering me.

people come up in a bar... attempt to stupify, hit on me.
i don't know what to do. I don't have a hubby or engagement
ring. sigh sigh sigh.

open your legs and let em at it!. you females are nuts! sex on demand for crissake! with any one you choose! if i was a bitch, i'd be the biggest ho on the block! rape? yummy!

Jesus, it's a sure sign that we're becoming a culture of pussies when we debate whether it's okay to use force to stop a rape.
No doubt! I don't think adam was saying we should be taught to never touch one another...jeez.

But we should be taught to respect our fellow humans. That is what it comes down to in my eyes...rape is complete lack of respect for the victim and a manifestation of the desire to show power over another.

How did this come to be a anti-bar thread? What a bunch of fun-haters we have.

If you are young and looking to socialize and perhaps have some sex...bars are great. If you are a complete dork bars are threatening because here you see how inadequate you are to the opposite sex!

Now, if you are looking for a long term relationship or something and do not want to be talked to....ummm maybe you shouldn't go to bars...I dunno I met my wife at a bar so it can be cool like that also. Unless you are adam and think only shallow people would ever go to a bar lol.

Originally posted by spookz
open your legs and let em at it!. you females are nuts! sex on demand for crissake! with any one you choose! if i was a bitch, i'd be the biggest ho on the block! rape? yummy!

Welcome to my Ignore list, loser.

:D

and you obviously think i am adversely affected by that? who the fuck do you think you are? you think i learn shit from you? ask you questions? the only use you served was as convenient whipping boy! know this! the taunts will continue as long as you post! your frikkin arrogance amazes me, sailorboy! shoudnt you be scrubbing a deck or something? servicing the captain perhaps?


i have a sick sense of humor. that's all there is to it!










or maybe not


:D

I guess you should sort of, if possible, say something like,
"I am going to use physical force to stop you!"

"Hello Mr. Anonymous Rapist, sir, I do hope you don't mind if I struggle a bit. May I bring my Ruger in contact with the back of your skull? Sorry sir."

You people are such total wusses.

Spookz, I love you.

New Life:
Is the question whether its ok to touch a person sexually without permission or to use force to stop a rape?

It's worse than I thought. Next people are going to be signing notarized contracts before having sex.

as for women in the middle east, it is a part of the culture to punish a woman by having her raped for speaking to a man outside of her family in public (or some offence like that).

Umm, dearest, you're thinking of Pakistan. And no, that isn't part of the culture everywhere in Pakistan.

Racist fool.

I like it. You crack me up Xev.

in regards to R kelly... I strongly believe that know one shoyuld be held accountable for something thast they did'nt know. Lets be real, the girl didn't look that young and more than likely carried her self as an easy tramp. Let him go and charge the parents for not being parents.

there is an exseption to the stat rape laws here that say if you belived the person to be the corect age you havent comited a crime

Originally posted by Asguard
there is an exseption to the stat rape laws here that say if you belived the person to be the corect age you havent comited a crime

Are you sure you have that right? Seems a crazy law to me though.

So, if a woman above the age of 18 is attacked and raped against her will, it is not a crime? Then what is it?

Come on, I don't think that is so. Pretty fucked up that would be.



Originally posted by Susan
every boy in town is bothering me.

people come up in a bar... attempt to stupify, hit on me.
i don't know what to do. I don't have a hubby or engagement
ring. sigh sigh sigh.

What do you say if you quit sighing all over the place and just say what you want. I get the impression you don't hate it that much. If you did, you would make perfectly clear to those losers who bother you all the time, that you do not want it and that they should leave you alone. Come on girl, don't victimise yourself so. I don't believe it either when you put it like this.

Grow some skin, say what you mean, loud and clearly. Believe me, it is the attitude from you yourself which can make the difference. There will always be some guys who don't want to hear you but hey, there are other ways to deal with that. Let your imagination work on that one.

Anyhow, quit sighing, that won't help you.

I do find you far too instructional!

susan
you prefer my crudity, dont ya?

:D

well, yes, I do feel that I connect better to crudity,
or at least outlandishness.

"So, if a woman above the age of 18 is attacked and raped against her will, it is not a crime? Then what is it?"

Do you have any idea what stat rape is?

people come up in a bar... attempt to stupify, hit on me

most all guys do that in a bar-like environment, that's what it's all about. i've just learned to stay away from the bar scene. that's my advice to you if you don't like men approaching you in those kinds of places.

so, pumpkin, shall we call this
"boys will be boys" philisophy?
or "Put out or Get Out" philosophy?

call it what you like. sex is being offered. take it or leave it. treat the guy like a piece of meat as well. be selfish. be like us!

please?

;)

No, susan, we call this "accept reality" philosophy. Are the men doing anything wrong? Are they doing something illegal or in any way detrimental?

What do you want these men to do? Do you expect to have a radar on them? "Oh look at that chick, Bob."
"Don't try it Jerry. She doesn't want men to hit on her at a bar."
"How do you know? Generally every other woman is fine with it?"
"Fuck Jerry, you better go get your radar check again."

Banshee im sorry for shorting it but what i ment was the STATITORY rape

ie sleeping with a girl (or guy) under 16 with there concent

Thanks Asguard, that explains it. I thought it rather odd. Thank you for making that clear. Apologies for my misunderstanding. :)

I didnt' mean that the Pakistany culture was good and yes I realize its not the womens. What I meant was that when we judge actions we need to remember where it is and what that area is used to. Besides, western culture has just as many aspects that the rest of the world finds appaling as in Pakistan.