Personally, I love rap. I dont like everykind of rap, but i dont like just the mainstream. Some people say you can't spell crap w/o rap (which you can't.. i think.) I'm open to all minded music, I like rap, rock, heavy metal, r&b, christain rock, alternative, pretty much everything except techno, opera, and even tho i say i dont like country, i do like sum like garth brooks just cuz it reminds me of things. So anyway, what kinda music r u into and do u like rap or not?

I enjoy rap......Eminem, Dr. Dre, A Tribe Called Quest, Beasties, etc.... I guess I enjoy what some people call 'white people's rap'. I also like 'adult contemorary'/alternative, like Wilco, Beck, Cake, Luna, and much more.....

its not nessacarliy (can't spell) considered white rap. Dr. Dre in my mind is one of the best ever. And I think when eminem dies, he'll go down as the greatest rapper ever. Or at least ONE of the best, next to 2Pac B.I.G., and all of 'em

Rap and Hip Hop are awesome, Rock and Roll will never die, but it's just not where it's at these days. Mainstream rap can be pretty awful, but the underground stuff is the best.

There's quality rap and there's shit rap, which is present in any form of music. There's this stupid bickering, at least from what I've seen, between rockers and hiphoppers. The hypocrisy is ludicrously funny. Rockers will bash the hell out of the state of hip hop today, with the soulless blingbling copycats, only to worship their own cookiecutter gods like the (insert bland punk rock band). And vice versa.

Mainstream rap can be pretty awful, but the underground stuff is the best.

That's pretty much true for any kind of music, especially rock, with exceptions like U2, Coldplay, The White Stripes, etc... Bands that manage to be mega-famous and produce quality music simultaneously.

True. Except I'm open minded to any kind of music. I just dont like certain types. I can listen to christian rock, and then rock out to marilyn manson, and then chill to some 2pac, and then read the lyrics to My Chemcial Romance. Just depends on my mood

Rap and Hip Hop are awesome, Rock and Roll will never die, but it's just not where it's at these days. Mainstream rap can be pretty awful, but the underground stuff is the best.

Ya, i wanna get in on some more underground rap, cuz its hella good like KRS1 but I dont know of that many. Mind sharin some of ur fav underground rap so i can look it up or have it burned later??

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Rap SUCKS!!!! Hip Hop Stinks...:mad:

Rock has culture, it has tradition... it has essence to it... what is rap? mumbo jumbo...

Rap has no culture huh? Rap has plenty of culture, though just not on TV, radio, to put it out. You may judge something (not saying you do) because its on TV or the radio or something like that. Most rap was underground, and not known. And its not all YO YO, WORD TO MY G'S. Some of it's violence, and where they grew up. Some of its how they come from very poor neighborhoods to where they are now. Some of it is God, and how he helped them. You could get some underground rap, and realize not all of its the same. I like hip-hop too, though I think hip-hop today is turning to just a cool beat with no meaning in its lyrics. And you don't need to think that I'm only into rap. I love rock too. And heavy metal. I enjoy almost every type of music, just depends on my mood at that time

Well, there are some... cannot really say types of rap, can you? There are some Artists who make quite good hip-hop/rap music. But most of it simply sucks. Christian Rock, just like Christian Metal sucks worst of all, and I also do not listen to it out of principle, just reading the texts normally suffice.

Anyway, I will keep listening to punk, rock and metal, most other kinds of music bore me or they just suck, like those bitches Britney Spears and Christina Arguilera (or however she is spelled).

Rap is very primitive and must have been a way the first humans in Africa started to make "music".

It is always interesting the way history can repeat it'self.

I couldn't have said any better. :)

Rap is very primitive and must have been a way the first humans in Africa started to make "music".

It is always interesting the way history can repeat it'self.
On the contrary, the rythyms are more complex than anything Bach could write down, and the rhymes are subtle and often profound. We all know you hate the blacks, J.B, but lighten up, if it wasn't for Africans, white music would suck, and there wouldn't be any rock and roll.

other kinds of music bore me or they just suck, like those bitches Britney Spears and Christina Arguilera (or however she is spelled).

Well, either way I'm still open-minded to any kind of music. I like the music you do, and I'm into more music then just that though. Also, I agree with you about Britney Spear and Christina. They're hot, but should not sing. And as for boy bands (this is just hilarious) no matter how tough you think you are, how bad you talk, how much "cool" clothes you wear, at the end of the day if you have to sing something like "bye bye bye" or "i love you giiiirl" then your pathetic. And I agree with spidergoat, and most beats are made, and then transferred to computer, but I won't get into the advanced making of the beats. The lyrics are usually pretty good, though some is meaningless and crap

Rap is very primitive and must have been a way the first humans in Africa started to make "music".

It is always interesting the way history can repeat it'self.
LOL. What a racist.
The most advanced music is primitive? Give me a break.
You have no idea what you are talking about do you?

Racists are brainless.

Ugh. That's my opinion about rap. Let's hear it for the old school rock/pop! I think most bands these days get it too easy and don't make the effort. Obviously I'm excluding Coldplay etc.

if it wasn't for Africans, white music would suck, and there wouldn't be any rock and roll.Now whites are a group of people to you?
Even with there own music?

OOOOOO I see, as long as you say whites "suck" somehow it's OK.

Maybe "white music" sucks because of all those musical instruments those sucky white people invented:
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blmusic.htm

go burn a cross or something

Yes. Whites are not superior to anybody. It is simple racism. Rap music is great music that talks about reality. There is no other music anywhere that portrays reality like rap music does.

Yes. Whites are not superior to anybody. It is simple racism. Rap music is great music that talks about reality. There is no other music anywhere that portrays reality like rap music does.What "reality" is that? and who's reality is that?

Some folks like music that can take you away from "reality", the african rap "reality" is not a way of life that I would injoy. Fighting, degrading women, being a player, getting all da bling bling, big pimpin, fuck da police, and what a good rap song without a little fuck whitey. Most rap in very primitive thats the reality.

I see it as a immuture form of music, and thats why kids like it so much.

But hey teach me, whats your favorite rap song and why?

W00t! 3000.

It is reality. It portrays reality whether you would enjoy it or not. There is nothing primitive about rap music. It is another form of poetry like any other form of poetry. Rap music is more progressive because it reflects reality like no other music does.
Not all poetry is beautiful sonnets and haiku. Rappers write about ugly topics because we live in an unjust life.

Consider:
"They say rap is too violent. It's not constructive.
But until we see some change.
Until we are able to live a constructive life.
We aint never going to stop rapping about bitches and hos.
And guns and shows.
Cause that's all we motherfucking knows and that's how it goes.
So don't be testing the poor.
We tired of paying them dues. . .

We're living in the land of the lies and they label it land of the free.
But only if you agree to get down on your knees.
And do whatever them crackers please.
We pay taxes to work and more taxes when we buy.
And they wonder why I continue.
Roaming the city with agenda for crime. . ."

"Let them know you don't care.
Lick some motherfucking shots in the air.
Say buck buck buck.
We don't work for the system.
Buck buck buck.
We don't do dirt for the system.
Buck Buck Buck.
We don't do the least bit of spit for no racist ass.
Suckers that feel that they can keep us on the floor.
Kiss my nuts bitch because I aint your mother fucking slave no more.
Until we see some change we're going to continue to steal.
Until we see some change we're going to continue to deal. . ."

"Soon as I step off the stage.
Them crooked ass pigs in my face.
Can't wait.
To provide me with a life in the crate.
I'm straight engaging.
No fingers to point elevating my cause in the case they come slave me. . ."

"We're so tired of your shit and we're so tired of your lies.
How are we supposed to put a stop to the violence.
When you controlling our rights and our lives. . .

. . . We got no food and our children aint got no shoes to cover their feet.
While we're suffering all of the tricks of the trade.
You sitting there collecting up all of the treats.
Leaving us with just enough to keep us on our feet.
Doing the worst of your dirt for practically free."

good rap cool skill. there is a bunch of garbage rap, but you have to understand the history of rappers to understand why they rap about the stuff they rap about. If you lived in the ghetto, would you be rhyming about sunny rainbows? You'd probably rap about stuff around you, and what you believe is reality and life. I dont live in the ghetto, but I've gone down there for reasons I dont need to say, and its not good. Though there are some idiots to where, if a white kid goes down there at night, he'll be killed because of his color. Its just stupid racism. But whites are also raciest, so are mexicans. This is of course, not speaking of everyone, just the group of people that are racist.

I honestly can't stand rap, but that is most likely because what I originally heard was the crappy kind. Seeing the average rapper now, however, I put them in the same class as boy bands and soloists like Britney Spears: these people have almost entirely ruined the industry. I'm sure there is good rap just like any other kind of music, but I can't listen to it. The common joke around my musically inclined friends is that all it takes to be a rapper is a drumbeat machine and a thesaurus. Call me simpleminded but I hold out the tradition of Classic Rock. Long live the Rolling Stones!

That is simple minded. Rap is nothing like crap boy bands and Britney Spears. There are Britney Spears of rap such as Eminem, Ja Rule, and Pitbull. They are a joke. Rap is music of revolution. Much of it is about head busting, but much of it also has no curse words or violence. Rap is social awareness. No other music brings the culture of the struggling class out, and makes these issues known like rap music does. The music and vocalization style even without the lyrics reflect such culture. This is the music of the people. This is the music the high minded place value in.

If you ENTER THE 36 CHAMBERS with the Wu-Tang Clan, you will find yourselves amongst evil knowledge.

Rap and Hip Hop are awesome, Rock and Roll will never die, but it's just not where it's at these days.Rap is rock and roll, just as rock and roll is jazz.

Rock is a form of jazz generally having most of these characteristics: a strong backbeat, heavy syncopation, a blues modality, a prominent rhythm section, loud singing, and lyrics with an air of rebellion or some other atitude often calculated to offend non-fans.

Rap satisfies all of those except perhaps for the modality since the hard-core stuff has almost no melody and harmony.

Rap will be folded back into rock and roll eventually, making it richer. In fact it's already happening. Many bands have sung verses with rapped bridges or vice versa, e.g. Linkin Park.

There are Britney Spears of rap such as Eminem, Ja Rule, and Pitbull.

I think eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. When he dies, he'll be like 2Pac & B.I.G. but until then, he's just a good rapper. Ja Rule I could really couldn't care less for. Pitbull is good for what he is. Spanish hip-hop. I wouldn't consider him a rapper, but all of these rappers market themselves good. So they're making money. And if you want to hear some rap that doesn't have lots of curse worse & violence try searching KRS-1. He mostly raps about underground, how mainstream artists have lost they're touch, how he's still loyal to the people who helped him, how its hard where black people live, and he says some things about big artists having lots of "bling" and that he doesn't need jewlrey to be a man. He's actually pretty good. He created hip-hop appriciation week, and helped create rap. Though he's kind of disgusted with how most rappers rap about money, cars, and women. Just something you can look up if you want to check some good underground rap out.

I think eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time.
That's a real joke. Eminem is like the Britney Spears of rap. Zero talent, and lots of sales. He only sells for one reason. He is a white person backed by Dr. Dre. He can't write. His lyrics are weak. His vocals are mediocre and common. Benzino even told it like it is. Eminem is worse than Vanilla Ice. At least Ice can dance and has better lyrics.
I think though the argument that white people are trying to steal hip hop is gay. Rap music belongs to no race. Eminem is selling his music to dunces, making a ton of money, and enjoying his fame. It does not make him any less of an idiot. Hell, GW Bush is the president of our country, and everybody knows that there is no retard not even Britney and Eminem put together that is dumber than he is.

First, any rapper that can dance, to me, is just a member of a boy band (or at least resembles one.) Vanilla Ice was FUNNY, not good or talented. Actually read some of Em's lyrics word for word. He doesn't have to rap about chicks, cars, and killing people. And he's not afraid to laugh at himself, whereas rappers these day have to be tough to be good. I would keep arguing, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion, so this is really a never-ending argument. Thanks for the thoughts though cool skill

That is simple minded. Rap is nothing like crap boy bands and Britney Spears. There are Britney Spears of rap such as Eminem, Ja Rule, and Pitbull. They are a joke. Rap is music of revolution. Much of it is about head busting, but much of it also has no curse words or violence. Rap is social awareness. No other music brings the culture of the struggling class out, and makes these issues known like rap music does. The music and vocalization style even without the lyrics reflect such culture. This is the music of the people. This is the music the high minded place value in.
I didn't mean the music was similar. If you look at the most popular rappers, however, you will see that most of them write the same music about the same things not caring about the creation process. Rap is like a perversion of Soul music, without the soul. There is hardly any process to the creation of mainstream rap. People seem to like it that way. Paul McArtney once wrote a love song in which he said you'd think people would get tired of silly love songs. Yet nobody did. Now it's the same, except people don't get tired of silly hate songs. The majority of popular rap is empowered by hatred, which in itself isn't so bad except that there is no variety. When you then add the effects of a "Rap Culture", you see a major portion of the music industry formulating on hatred, which is not good for the average listener. Half the time I can't even get my radio stations because of interference from a damned rap station. A station that didn't exist until the rise of Eminem. As much as you might think poorly of him and others of his ilk, it is undeniable that guys like him will be ruling the industry for quite a while. I'll stick with my classic rock, thank you. After all the years it still hasn't left me, thank God.

Making a rap song take no talent what so ever. All you need to do know how to rhyme, talk about killing people, talk about ''bitches and ho's'', and have 10 guys in the back of you just paid to say 'UH'.

http://www.gizoogle.com/showimage.php?id=32

Making a rap song take no talent what so ever. All you need to do know how to rhyme, talk about killing people, talk about ''bitches and ho's'', and have 10 guys in the back of you just paid to say 'UH'.

http://www.gizoogle.com/showimage.php?id=32

Obviously you didn't read my posts before you posted your own. If you read one of them, I said KRS-1 doesn't rap about any of that. He doesn't talk about killing people, he mocks mainstream rappers that rap about "bitches and ho's", and how jewlrey is a girl's best friend, not his. Search KRS-1 if you want to know more. He's actually very intelligent.

Most Rap is unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the people who produce it.

Most of J.B's posts are an unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the person who produces it.

Most of J.B's posts are an unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the person who produces it.Personal attacks are unintelligent and a angry form of expression, I noticed that rap is alot of personal attacks and insults.

Is it unintelligent to sing about your superiority, and thus win the hearts of admiring and fat assed bitches? I didn't think so.

Rap is about sex and drugs and how black epople are better than white people. Rap I think is stupid, and that there is only one good rapper...whcih is eminem because he makes fun of all of the stupid people

I'm just getting into rap. I like it, but most of the mainstream stuff I hear on the local pop station sucks. Exceptions: Eminem's lyrics are nothing special (sometimes they're funny), but he's extremely well produced, and that's why I like his music. Outkast is very good. The Black Eyed Peas come out with something decent every once and a while. I figured out a while ago that the mainstream is not the place to look for quality hip-hop.

By the way, to me, hip-hop seems to borrow more from house or techno than rock. It's very electronic.

Is it unintelligent to sing about your superiority, and thus win the hearts of admiring and fat assed bitches? I didn't think so.Is this ebonics?

Rap is about sex and drugs and how black epople are better than white people. Rap I think is stupid, and that there is only one good rapper...whcih is eminem because he makes fun of all of the stupid people

Ok, I'll try to make this short and small so people will actually read it. There are other rappers then eminem, who doesn't rap about chicks, killing, sex and drugs. Someone look up KRS-1. He's very close to eminem, but underground. If you don't know about something, don't comment about what it IS.

Most Rap is unintelligent and a angry form of expression, just like the people who produce it.
This assertion has already been proven completely false. It seems as nothing more than racist trolling.



First, any rapper that can dance, to me, is just a member of a boy band

Dancing when pulled of well takes a lot of talent. Real street dance is a reflection of real street music. The boy bands and the likes of usher and b2k are not real street dancers. Their steps are watered down with moves you learn in dance classes that they teach in the main stream. Whether or not he was an idiot, Vanilla ice did have talent in terms of hitting tight steps. Is lyrics also punched a lot harder. When I read Em’s lyrics, they are nothing but weak shock jock air head goth gore with no punch. I’m white trash, I hate my mother, I sound like a cartoon, Dr Dre this, Haley that, bla blab bla. It’s tired. Then, whenever he makes the dumbest attempt to say something real, it comes off so exceedingly gay and idiotic that it makes GWB look like Einstein.


I didn't mean the music was similar. If you look at the most popular rappers, however, you will see that most of them write the same music about the same things not caring about the creation process.
Who cares. You are attacking rap as a music based on particulars. Rap is a type of music with high appeal because it

I can yap about who sucks and who doesn’t, but I’m not going to be running around bringing down rap music period. Why not just rant about music all together. Hey I heard some sucky rappers on the radio. Therefore, all music sucks. I hate music. Give me a break. It’s simple minded nonsense racially motivated claptrap.


The majority of popular rap is empowered by hatred, which in itself isn't so bad except that there is no variety.

Which goes to show how little you know. Sounds prejudice to me.
The entire culture is based on reality. There would be no hatred if there was no oppression.
Rap is about reality. It is empowered by reality. Whether you are rapping about stealing or killing, it’s all about reflecting reality.
Your so called “hate songs” are nothing more than a warped sense of what rap really is.


Half the time I can't even get my radio stations because of interference from a damned rap station.

You act like it’s a bad thing. Rap stations promote the rap culture which is the culture of reality. It’s not just all political either. There are party songs and such. Regardless, it all reflects an American culture that is highly appealing to many people. Some defend it, some such as yourself prefer to come down on it for every caviling reason you can think of. It is music, it is culture, it is talent, it is art, it is creativity, it is a reflection, it is style, it is appeal, it is everywhere, it deserves to be. The rap culture gives us a great form of entertaining musical form of art.

By the way, to me, hip-hop seems to borrow more from house or techno than rock. It's very electronic.
Techno music came out of rap music. In the early 90s before techno music blew up, it was very electronic and industrialistic. It started out with electric pseudo hiphop beats, and then became very lectronical and full of effects.


Rap is about sex and drugs and how black epople are better than white people. Rap I think is stupid, and that there is only one good rapper...whcih is eminem because he makes fun of all of the stupid people
Retard.

Hey Cool Skill, I just wonder, if oppression causes hatred, what causes oppression? Please help me figure this out. Hatred is a human emotion coming from anger and fear. Rap plays on this. Right now, I have said that I dislike it without saying it is all bad, yet you attack me from the very depths of your soul, and it is hatred. However, was I oppressing you? I think not.

Mind sharin some of ur fav underground rap so i can look it up or have it burned later??
there is bound to be a difference between what is underground in the states and what is underground elsewhere, im in uk.
spidergoat pointed out one of my favorites Zion i. also Dead Prez are really hot, inparticular the album Revolutionary But Gangster. Living legends are pretty good too.

i prefer music. :)

have to go with "rap is crap" here. i like classical music and rock, preferbly the kind of rock were you actually hear all the instruments and the lyrics.

Hey Cool Skill, I just wonder, if oppression causes hatred, what causes oppression? Please help me figure this out. Hatred is a human emotion coming from anger and fear. Rap plays on this. Right now, I have said that I dislike it without saying it is all bad, yet you attack me from the very depths of your soul, and it is hatred. However, was I oppressing you? I think not.
Oppression is caused by the people in control enslaving others. Until you take away oppression, you cannot say anything about people that react to it.

You may not be oppressing anybody directly, but your statements are that of an oppressive minded individual. Instead of attacking the oppressors that are causing the problem, you attack the music of the oppressed for no reason. There is also rap music that has nothing to do with oppression, and might be about other topics. It is still real music, and music just like any other music. You might as well say that you hate all music period.

cool skill, I would like to say that just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean I hate music. Rap is not all music, it is a kind of music. Just because I hate it, its not like I would try and get it banned from the earth, or even put restrictions on it. I am a 100% advocate of free speech, but just because someone is talking it doesn't mean I have to listen. Right?

If you can't stand rap, simply because you think, they're 'just talking' to a soundtrack, it just means that your brain is not ready to take it yet. The same can be said of people for any new music that is hard to comprehend.

The first time I heard Weather Report (Mysterious Traveller), I felt bored and could not get into it at all. Then, I heard Herbie Hancock (Headhunters) and I thought it sounded stilted, like little sequences stuck together without any coherent form. This was in early '75, well, by summer of '75 and with a little help from my herbal friend and some more listening, I can tell you that this music became THE music... The fucking music...and it still is. Thing is, I can appreciate ALL kinds of music now; much more so than before those neural pathways were ripped open by that difficult shit, which I grew to love and to feel and to be. :m: :m: :m:

cool skill, I would like to say that just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean I hate music. Rap is not all music, it is a kind of music. Just because I hate it, its not like I would try and get it banned from the earth, or even put restrictions on it. I am a 100% advocate of free speech, but just because someone is talking it doesn't mean I have to listen. Right?

Why do you hate it?

Why do you hate it?

I have heard so much rap on TV and in my community that had absolutely NO meaning, feeling, or soul, that I am scarred and I cannot bring myself to change my mind. I have heard songs of other styles that had the same problem, but not nearly as much. I think that, for the people that live in my area, that rap brings out the worst in them. In reality, it is just that the worst of the people here happen to like rap, but I can't shake my dislike.

cool skill, I would like to say that just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean I hate music. Rap is not all music, it is a kind of music. Just because I hate it, its not like I would try and get it banned from the earth, or even put restrictions on it. I am a 100% advocate of free speech, but just because someone is talking it doesn't mean I have to listen. Right?
Right you don't have to do anything. RAP is music, but it is not all music. It is the music of reality. You do not have to live in reality. It is your choice to live in your own racist delusional world.

So not liking rap is racist?

Right you don't have to do anything. RAP is music, but it is not all music. It is the music of reality. You do not have to live in reality. It is your choice to live in your own racist delusional world.

You truly are an idiot, aren't you? To say that rap is the music of reality and all other music is fake is so incredibly small-minded, so stupid, that I can't believe it. Have you ever listened to the messages presented by Pink Floyd, about oppression of emotion, about the lack of love in mankind? Have you heard Weird Al satirize everything from nuclear war to the online market obsession that is Ebay? Have you heard Don McLean's cry over what happened on a cold February day in 1959 that changed the world? No the messages of these and other members of the music world, the previous viewers of the way the world works fall deaf on your ears, and you refuse to hear or see it. It sickens me that you are so blind. Also, why do you think I'm racist? Because I don't like rap? Get a life, moron.

South Star, this is another reason I hate rap. People that like it tend to be quite belligerent to those that don't, though in reality I'd say that the people that are belligerent are just the one's that talk the loudest, and they blot out the people that can offer a good reason why rap is good.

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Ok Cool Skill,
You say rap is better than Boy bands? Britney? You know one thing RAP doesnt have, that these bands do have- its melody. Yes melody, the things that is pleasant to the ears and gives a song structure and feel. Something that can make some feel a song. You rap has no melody. Rap is the epitomy of lazy in the music industry. Everything in rap is fake. ALL the instruments are MIDI. All done on keyboard and computer, there is no more musicians in rap, which therefore without musicians you cant have music with feeling. Rap is done by buttons and knobs. No true talent. Its all a repeatitive drumbeat and Moron who thinks if he makes a couple rhymes here and there, and tell about his life on the street, hes a god. But what makes rappers hipricrits is they still make this lyrics that kids gobble up even though ther elivng in 2 million dollar mansions and driving cadilacs. The only reason rap is popular is b/c of morons like you who doesnt know what music or a melody is.

The Gorillaz rap, and they have a harmony and melody. In fact, their music is pretty complex as popular music goes. Interesting and thoughtful lyrics, too.

You know, I think you could make the same argument against punk that you make against some forms of rap, and then extend your argument against punk to all rock. Like this: "The Sex Pistols could barely play instruments, had shite lyrics, shouted a lot, and didn't have much in the way of melody or harmony. Rock sucks. It's not even music."

Great bullshit arguments, kiddies.

"To say that rap is the music of reality and all other music is fake"
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I never said that. Who's the idiot now?


You know one thing RAP doesnt have, that these bands do have- its melody.
You're a moron. You obviously do not know what melody is. You obviously do not know anything about music. Keep listening to whatever tired nonsense garbage you listen to because that's all it is. Garbage. Which is what you are.

RAP is music, but it is not all music. It is the music of reality. You do not have to live in reality. It is your choice to live in your own racist delusional world.

So your not saying Rap is the music of reality, and that because I don't listen to it I'm not living in reality? Wow, what does this mean then?

You claim that rap is something that it is not, then say you do not like it. That is not realistic.

You claim that rap is something that it is not, then say you do not like it. That is not realistic.

I made no claim as to what rap was or was not. What are you talking about?

The most advanced music is primitive? Give me a break.


What's advanced about rap?

I'd think it was brainless music for trash people even if SCANDINAVIANS had invented it.

Keats, that's complex rhyme... rap is words that sound the same and plenty of attitude, little actual thought.

(Kind of like most rock music, but even simpler.)

You claim that rap is something that it is not, then say you like it. That is not realistic.

Sound familiar?

Rap is the most complex intricate form of poetry or music or prose. In any form of media, rap is the most advanced. Shakespear and any poet or writer in history would not nearly equate many of the best lyricists/writers around.

Musically, there is no variation in form from any other genre. Any symphone or any other form of music can have as much balanced complexity as rap. All music including rap can take the form from the simplest beat with no melody to the most complex combinations of musical instruments. All music has this ability, but rap can take it a step further when lyrics are added.

Are you kidding? Rap just cuts up the music written by far greater composers and then people complain to it! They don't even bother with imitation, it's blatant theivery.

Rap is the most complex intricate form of poetry or music or prose. In any form of media, rap is the most advanced. Shakespear and any poet or writer in history would not nearly equate many of the best lyricists/writers around.

Musically, there is no variation in form from any other genre. Any symphone or any other form of music can have as much balanced complexity as rap. All music including rap can take the form from the simplest beat with no melody to the most complex combinations of musical instruments. All music has this ability, but rap can take it a step further when lyrics are added.

First, Shakespeare would not approve of you misspelling his name. Next, how can you even compare the writers of rap to the original greats of literature? They do not have the complexity nor the far-reaching acclaim of those such as Shakespeare. I have yet to even hear a rapper that was equal to Don McLean, Mick Jaegger, or John Lennon. All you are doing is advocating your argument as fact without offering examples to support yourself. I have yet to have heard you offer any names or lyrics to support your claim. Therefore, your argument is truly null.

Shakespeare was a dick, and deserves to have his name misspelled.
I hate every one of his plays. I hate that bald, English, son-of-a-bitch.

You guys should all die.

Rap is the most advance form of music there is. It combines (in most cases) perfect orchestrated synthesized beats with lyrics that have wordplay, punch-lines, metaphors, similies, multis, etc. - and guess what it rhymes and sounds good with the beat. Producing rap music is more of an effort and more complex than producing any type of rock & that's factual.

Rap has no history - the ignorance in that post almost made my kidneys collapse. It's obvious there are either alot of older people here or alot of depressed ugly teenagers. You go to a club and rap or techno will play - people have fun, beautiful girls dance, etc. - Personally, I would prefer this setting in contrast to going to a mosh-pit with a bunch of skinheads and ugly fat punk girls rocking there heads like there having seizures.

There are many genres to rap and many forms of rap with everything sounding completely different, it's the most diverse form of music. People bash rappers for having "Bling, Bling", if I had the money to buy an ill platinum chain I'd buy it with the quickness - I'd choose "Bling, Bling" over spikes on my wrists or neck any day.

Synthesized music is harder than the real thing? Do you know anything about making music at all? All it takes to be a rapper is a drum machine and a thesaurus. All mainstream rap (but maybe not underground) is about stealing stuff, killing people, screwing girls, and generally being a total dick. These rappers talk about how hard it is in the ghetto when they are living in Beverly Hills or whatnot. Rap is far from complex when a guy talks to a drumbeat at a changing pace in rhymes. Try writing a song with lyrics that don't rhyme and that goes to the instrumental music that sounds good. You would be incapable. I swear, some of you guys that like rap put up decent arguments, but then guys like this come and tear it down. And with people that insult us rockers like this, how do you think you'll ever gain respect from us at all?

And all it takes for a rocker to make music is a guitar and a drum set and some shouting.

Stop making silly blanket statements. There's good and bad from both genre of music. Saying X artist on MTV is the epitome of Y music is a really, really lame argument. Rock sucks because of Britney Spears. What? Does that make any sense?

All electronica is lame and thoughtless because of Happy Hardcore.

You fools are arguing opinion. It's even more retarded than trying to reconcile science and religion. You can't do either, so get over it.

And all it takes for a rocker to make music is a guitar and a drum set and some shouting.

Stop making silly blanket statements. There's good and bad from both genre of music. Saying X artist on MTV is the epitome of Y music is a really, really lame argument. Rock sucks because of Britney Spears. What? Does that make any sense?

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I was merely showing that rap is not some incredibly complicated thing to create. I agree that a rocker could very well do that. But, it wouldn't be any good. I have never made the argument, "All rock is good, all rap is bad, get over it." I am just tired of people claiming that rap is the greatest without having a decent reason.

Rap is the most complex intricate form of poetry or music or prose. In any form of media, rap is the most advanced. Shakespear and any poet or writer in history would not nearly equate many of the best lyricists/writers around.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's hilarious.

Yes. Whites are not superior to anybody.

Whites are superior to everybody for the purpose of being white. It's not sensible to group all "white" looking people as whites; I'm proud to be Northwestern European and only want to associate, live near, work with said people. They understand me best. Therefore, for my purposes, whites (NWE) are superior.

Whites are superior to everybody for the purpose of being white. It's not sensible to group all "white" looking people as whites; I'm proud to be Northwestern European and only want to associate, live near, work with said people. They understand me best. Therefore, for my purposes, whites (NWE) are superior.

Im done trying to debate this topic with you. Now that you've revealed that your'e a white supremecist. Why don't you go to **********.org where your type of ilk is welcomed.

Whites are superior to everybody for the purpose of being white. It's not sensible to group all "white" looking people as whites; I'm proud to be Northwestern European and only want to associate, live near, work with said people. They understand me best. Therefore, for my purposes, whites (NWE) are superior.
LOL another cavmen from Atlantis offers his tuppence LOL...now lemme get this straight masser......
whites are superior to all other peoples soley on the baisis of the quantity of melanin in their skin, yet we're not saying that all such peoples lacking melanin are superior (ohhh nooooo coz that wouldn't be sensible....) only the peoples living in Europe...no wait...NW Europe are superior to everyone else........

go back to your cave babarian, and stop wasting bandwidth.

Only superior in his own mind. Which is probably twisted beyond recognition. Regardless, the things that go on in his mind are his business and are not part of this discussion. In the meantime, not liking rap doesn't mean a person feels whites are superior to anyone else. I like many black artists, for the quality of their music. I also dislike many white artists because of the quality of their music. Not liking rap doesn't make a person a racist. In fact, claiming that someone is a racist because of this is a sign of racism, since people always tend to see the faults in others that they are blind to in themselves.

Considering the age divide between rockers and hip-hoppers, I have trouble taking any of these anti-hip-hop opinions seriously. Most rely on cliches and childish insults and reveal that the posters lack even a passing aquaintince with the music. This sulking is irrelevant. Hip-hop has been dominating the music charts for some time now. Not only that, but the music is continously developing. Year to year the style changes and develops, while rock albums that manage to sell are rehashes of rock music from its heyday. When was the last time a significant rock album dropped that moved the genre forward? With hip-hop it happens practically every week. Soon enough all you hip-hop naysayers will be as dead as all those people that used to say that jazz and rock and roll weren't music, and the rest of us will move on. As far as I'm concerned, this ignorant hip-hop bashing taking place is just the death throes. Hip-hop is steamrolling pop culture out in the wider world, and it is the most vital, creative musical movement in forty years.

Sorry bud, but rock will never die. And just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean that I don't think its music, nor does it mean that I am much older than the rap lovers. I'm only seventeen. My reasons for not liking rap are originally rooted in the messages that it presents with their lack of care for anyone else, relating women to property, and the simple love of money. I do agree with you about the views of people not saying rap is music is like the jazz and rock emergence back in the day, but even so that is no reason to believe rock is ever going down. Change is always averted by some. Rap is the reason that rock is not progressing, since the people that don't like change are trying to hang on to what they know. However, you can't say that all new rock sounds like the old. Different guitarists, singers, etc. all have their own styles of how they play, and so slowly as new rockers come on the scene with new sounds it will still progress.

I can't believe how readily all of you miss the point with your reading incomprehension.

He said "Whites are superior to everybody for the purpose of being white." As is evident to many of the people on this planet that still retain functioning use of their brains, white people do a shitty job at trying to be anything but what they are: white. It's the same for blacks and asians. They should all stick to being what they are, and give up the delusional utopian monocultural thinking that's trying to get us to breed into one indistinct racial grouping, and willingly give up what makes us all unique.

Thus, you stick to your own kind, as they understand you the best. I wouldn't go looking for advice on how to be a better African by trying to befriend a number of them and attempt to act like one; i'm very clearly not an African, therefore, why don't I just stay with my own culture and heritage which i was born into? It doesn't matter if whites are objectively better than blacks in certain areas, or less prone to certain behaviours, or if blacks are better suited to certain environments, or more knowledgable in certain areas, or if asians outclass whites in some fields and areas of intellect. For the purposes of being white, white people are superior to all other racial subgroups. For the purposes of being black, black people are superior to all other racial subgroups. For the purposes of being asian, asian people are superior to all other racial subgroups. These genetic distinctions which go beyond simple skin colour into issues of ancestry and thousands of years of speciation are what make us all distinct animals on this planet, even if we all share common grouping within the classification of Homo sapiens. Why do we want to erase this? I have a sneaky suspicion that this mentality is motivated by fear, and i don't trust those who arrogantly presume to know better than nature.

In any case, it is not a crime to prefer one's own kind. It's a preference, same as whether or not one likes quality music over a quantity of mediocre garbage.

LOL another cavmen from Atlantis offers his tuppence LOL...now lemme get this straight masser......
whites are superior to all other peoples soley on the baisis of the quantity of melanin in their skin, yet we're not saying that all such peoples lacking melanin are superior (ohhh nooooo coz that wouldn't be sensible....) only the peoples living in Europe...no wait...NW Europe are superior to everyone else........

go back to your cave babarian, and stop wasting bandwidth.

Are you simply trying to live up to your name, Outlandish, or do you just have a thick skull?

All he said was that whites are best at being white. And blacks at being black. And it's true that whites generally are more at ease in the company of other whites, blacks prefer the company of other blacks, etc. That's perfectly natural and there's nothing at all racist about it.

If an Asian walks into a large company cafeteria, he/she will generally pick a chair at a table occupied by other Asians. And you think that's some sort of racial crime? Gimmie a break, dummy! :p

why dont we all treat each other the same...ide rather look for the best in people and be dispointed rather than never give it a try...

I'd rather be a realist.

Those who believe there is good in all people obviously haven't met all people.

After reading through these posts, people were very vague on their reasons to why rap is crap so I want to clear things up. Rap songs are repetitive ie have no melody hence no harmony either and are a repetive slur of the same minimal "bass lines" which are stretched out for the entire length of a whole song I can't believe anyone could dare compare Bach to this whoever said rap is more complex havn't a clue, should either pickup a an actual baroque CD (I reccomend Fugue in D minor by Bach as well as Paginini's 5th Caprice), learn even the most basic aspects of music with a stringed instrument to see how hard real melodies are or compare musical compositions (ie stave) with your so called superior music.

The MIDI aspect is very bad, so bad that you can produce your own hip hop style music on your playstation with games like mtv music generator with no difficulty at all and music software for pc isnt hard to get hold of if you're bothered.

The argument that all you need for a rock band is just guitarist and drums is overly simplified, there is a vast range of guitars available with different pickups creating different tones, as well as different amps, materials, effects pedals and so on. Not to mention there are 2 styles of guitarist, rythym and lead there is also the bassist. Also there is the task of mastering the instrument which could take many years to master, its not just at the flick of a switch like with synthesisers which doesn't even provide as much complexity and variation in tone and timbre. Anyone who plays guitar or any stringed instrument would know what I'm talking about. As for the potential argument that guitars can't give you as much variety as a synthesiser well MIDI guitars are available which are practically the ultimate instrument, you can't perform a harmonic, vibrato or tremelo with as much dexterity of a guitarist on a keyboard or computer for that matter.

As for all this bullshit assuming that rock is a product of white culture, well it was actually developed by bands such as Led Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix, Rolling Stones etc who were inspired by blues artists such as Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, all 3 Kings and so forth. The blues itself originated in the Mississippi Delta and was an African American music form.
Then some genius said Shakespeare is a a talentless dick or something to that effect, well its no surprise you don't understand the works of the man who has been considered the greatest English playwrights of all time (I think he's good but overated), I guess Fast and Furious is more suited to your taste. For those who have actually studied or read any of his work (assuming you've understood the old English which is explained in the appendix) anyone can see the intricate plots he weaves within his work as well as his command of the English language, I'd recommend of his work Henry IV part 1 and 2 as well as Henry V and Julius Caesar. One last thing to note at least Shakespeare could read/speak English and Latin fluently wheras most rappers sound like they just crossed the border. As for the twat who dissed shakey for being English well you can fuck off you ignorant shite, your not typing in American are you?

As for those saying rock all sounds the same or its not doing anything new are clearly wrong, rock is definately more varied than rap, you have ska, punk, grunge, goth, emo, nu metal, heavy metal, classical metal, classic rock and so on. However I do admit rock is in kind of a slump at the moment with all this excessive emo and nu metal choking the creativity and originality of the genre but its only a phase thats passing. Well as you're not a fan of rock you wouldn't know what pushes the genre, (btw I know you can reverse the argument but my family and friends are into rap so I know whats doing well), critics loved System of A Downs recent album Mezmerise as well as Q.O.T.S.A's Songs For The Death (Lullabies wasn't as inspiring) and Foo Fighters recent release In Your Honour was well recieved. Also another thing to note is that whilst rap is big now, no one is going to be listening to it in 20 years time wheras rock has a timeless quality, sure a lot of the crappy no brainer rock will be forgotten but songs like Smells Like Teen Spirit, Smoke On The Water, A Whole Lotta Love, Ride The Lightning and Voodoo Chile will live on forever.

And "Paint It, Black" the greatest song of all time...
But he is right. That is a good sum of why most of us don't like rap. But, I will add something, something I've said before, the message of most rap sucks. It is about life in the ghetto, about people who have only hate and greed, about the horrible life they live (despite the fact that the ones that are considered the best by the music community as a whole are rich and famous and therefore don't have some horrible life anyway).

Sorry bud, but rock will never die. And just because I hate rap, it doesn't mean that I don't think its music, nor does it mean that I am much older than the rap lovers. I'm only seventeen. My reasons for not liking rap are originally rooted in the messages that it presents with their lack of care for anyone else, relating women to property, and the simple love of money. I do agree with you about the views of people not saying rap is music is like the jazz and rock emergence back in the day, but even so that is no reason to believe rock is ever going down. Change is always averted by some. Rap is the reason that rock is not progressing, since the people that don't like change are trying to hang on to what they know. However, you can't say that all new rock sounds like the old. Different guitarists, singers, etc. all have their own styles of how they play, and so slowly as new rockers come on the scene with new sounds it will still progress.

Fair enough. I rethought my claim about rock not making any progress, and I no longer feel that way. Bands like Radiohead are amazing, and they're just the most obvious example.

First, Shakespeare would not approve of you misspelling his name. Next, how can you even compare the writers of rap to the original greats of literature? They do not have the complexity nor the far-reaching acclaim of those such as Shakespeare. I have yet to even hear a rapper that was equal to Don McLean, Mick Jaegger, or John Lennon. All you are doing is advocating your argument as fact without offering examples to support yourself. I have yet to have heard you offer any names or lyrics to support your claim. Therefore, your argument is truly null.
Sorry but your argument is null. You're circular.
Who cares if he would approve of my spelling his name or not?
Shakespeare is the past. His lyrics are ancient and primitive. I dont have to name any names. Most any rapper from the beginning has far outdone anything Shakespeare has ever done, and could never do.
As for being equal to Don McLean, Mick Jagger, and John Lennon. None of them could rap. Mick Jagger is the only one that has thrown great shows for lots of people, but as a lyricist/musician, there are no lyricist or musician in any type of music that could compare with the lyricists/musicians/djs of rap. They have taken music to another level.

Shakespeare is the past. His lyrics are ancient and primitive.

Gimme a break - you've never read Shakespeare.

there are no lyricist or musician in any type of music that could compare with the lyricists/musicians/djs of rap.

You got that right.

BTW - wasn't the very first commercial rap hit a cover of an Aerosmith tune? Walk this way?

"Shakespeare is the past. His lyrics are ancient and primitive. I dont have to name any names. Most any rapper from the beginning has far outdone anything Shakespeare has ever done, and could never do."

How arrogant can an assumption get? Lyrics? Shakespeare wrote poetry and plays, he is still being taught here in Britain (it is mandatory to in order to get an acceptable pass grade) and other parts of the world where English is the 1st language. Not only that his works have been translated into every major language anyway. Its not my fault that "ebonics" is not a language recognised by any nation or people, even a lot of native English speaking Africans have contempt for your barbaric savagery of the English language.
As for "ancient", well people's works in history have been judged by their content rather than language otherwise the works of Homer, Socrates, Aristotle, Rambo, Da Vinci would not be read and studied by many today.

You seem to forget how disco was in its heyday and how it inevitably died out.

After reading through these posts, people were very vague on their reasons to why rap is crap so I want to clear things up. Rap songs are repetitive ie have no melody hence no harmony either and are a repetive slur of the same minimal "bass lines" which are stretched out for the entire length of a whole song
The only thing that needs to be cleared up is you. You're a moron. Unless you know what rap is, you cannot have an opinion about it. You're description is not rap. You probably don't know what melody is.

The only thing that needs to be cleared up is you. You're a moron. Unless you know what rap is, you cannot have an opinion about it. You're description is not rap. You probably don't know what melody is.

Calling me a moron? You believe tupac and his likes are superior to Shakespeare, and if you also believe that crap like "big pimpin'", "california love" or "in da club" is far superior to the likes of bmv 1007, fugue, adagio for strings etc than you're clearly the moron.

How arrogant can an assumption get? Lyrics? Shakespeare wrote poetry and plays, he is still being taught here in Britain (it is mandatory to in order to get an acceptable pass grade) and other parts of the world where English is the 1st language. Not only that his works have been translated into every major language anyway.
This is completely irrelevant to the quality of the work. Why do people always use fallacy to try to prove a point? It's worthless, and annoying. Say all of the people on the planet listened to rap or shakespear. That fact has nothing to do with the quality of the substance within itself. If you are going to propose that Shakespear is a great writer/lyricist, use valid points to back it up. Not irrelevant nonsense.

A lyricist could be taught in every school and translated into every language, or his works might never be heard past his home town. It's an utterly irrelevant point.
You are saying somebody's work is global, therefore it's better. FALSE. Every person in here knows that the works of rap music are known by far more people than the works of shakespeare. But this is not what makes rap better. That is because the globalization of the works have nothing to do with the quality of the work.

Calling me a moron? You believe tupac and his likes are superior to Shakespeare, and if you also believe that crap like "big pimpin'", "california love" or "in da club" is far superior to the likes of bmv 1007, fugue, adagio for strings etc than you're clearly the moron.
No. You're clearly a moron. You have no argument. You don't know what rap is. Therefroe, you're opinion is based on igonorant delusion. You're retarded.

Yes but you fail to recognise the point that Shakespeare is no tom, dick or harry. If he wasn't so great then people wouldn't have given a shit enough to translate his work and read it since the 17th century. Its not like its commanding divine greatness or anything like that so its an achievement for anyone to be considered one of the world's greatest playwrights. Also to add if his work was "crap" then it wouldn't have even survived 50 years let alone 200.

As for more people knowing what rap is and Shakespeare well that's pop culture for you, it was like that 50 years ago and its like that now but the difference is its rap not rock and roll that is more widely known so don't expect things to remain the same in 20 years. Granted Shakespeare WILL always be admired by a minority but that minority will always outlast those current cultural fads.

I am not going to read and dictate Shakespeare to you but many online versions are available, please don't be ignorant and disregard it, at least you can sure if it is "crap" like you think it is. http://www.shakespeare-online.com

"No. You're clearly a moron. You have no argument. You don't know what rap is. Therefroe, you're opinion is based on igonorant delusion. You're retarded."

Ok then if songs like "in da club", "california love" and "big pimpin'" isn't rap, hip hop woteva den tell me what is?
The truth is you know I've listened to rap and its ilk wheras you don't know what the hell I'm talking about when I mention various baroque songs, why don't you go listen to some of the music I've suggested before shooting your mouth off.

rap has just as many styles and sub-genres as rock or any other form of music. its REALLY hard; probably impossible, to make a fair judgment on rap based on what you hear and see on vh1 or your local radio station. if you listen to as much rap as i do, you will see the similarities between someone like brittny spears and eminem, or eminem and most of the people he makes fun of in his songs. most of what you hear isnt really rap, its someone singing rap lyrics over pop beats manufactured to appeal to the marketplace.

there is alot of rap that you wont hear because the artists wont sign to a big label (ie. "selling out").

i would say that 10% of all rap is mainstream, and 90% is underground, where you will have to search to find it

I admit everything I've heard was either from Mtv or off my friends who literally soak up the stuff regardless if it sounded all the same.

I've heard a few underground artists like Quarashi and Cyprus Hill, they're alright as far as music goes but I wouldn't say I'm enthusiast though.
Also to note Rage Against The Machine are brilliant though I mainly like their stuff because of Tom Morello's guitar work.

I'd say I have agree with Danner about the pop influence which is also hurting rock music.

As for being equal to Don McLean, Mick Jagger, and John Lennon. None of them could rap. Mick Jagger is the only one that has thrown great shows for lots of people, but as a lyricist/musician, there are no lyricist or musician in any type of music that could compare with the lyricists/musicians/djs of rap.

http://www.merseyworld.com/imagine/lyrics/imagine.htm
John Lennon's "Imagine"

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-35264/lyrics/black.html
Mick Jagger/Keith Richards "Paint It, Black"

http://www.rareexception.com/Garden/Pie.php
Don McLean's "American Pie"

There. Show a rapper that has better, stronger, more meaningful lyrics. Go on. Do it.

Rap or Crap?

Crap.

--Peace--
Rick :m:

(Q),

You mean you have actually enjoyed reading hamlet? Who would actually enjoy it?
where's the semblence?

;) :D

As a someone who listens to copious amounts of alternative and classic rock, I can say that I never knew where to begin with hip hop. The commercial landscape is just so polluted right now with all forms of music, that expaning your horizons into another form of music can be difficult. If all I knew about rock was Linkin Park and Nickelback I'd be apt to say that it fucking sucks too. But I just recently picked up K-os' Joyful Rebellion album, and it RULES!!! It can only tenously be classified as Hip-hop because it blends so many styles of music (w/ live instrumentation I might add) with intelligent lyrics without being preachy or boring. Musically very well versed, with nods to Micheal Jackson, Pink Floyd, Ray Charles et al, and even cleverly dropping props to Nirvana and the Tragically Hip in his lyrics. So the moral of the story is, you can't just paint things you don't understand with such a broad brush as "it all sucks". There is legitimacy in all forms of music. K-os has been my gateway drug into rap and hip hop.

Yes but you fail to recognise the point that Shakespeare is no tom, dick or harry. If he wasn't so great then people wouldn't have given a shit enough to
Bla bla bla.
What you fail to recognize is that everything you seem to be talking about is irrelevant. As stated, this has no relevance on the quality of Shakespeares work. I do not care if you are Shakespeare or Britney Spears. If you are good, you are good because of the quality of your work. If you are trash, you are trash because of the quality of your work.

You know how much effect the popularity of a work has on the quality of a work? NONE!
The popularity of the work is irrelevant. It's moronic. Shakespeare has had ongoing popularity. WHO CARES???? Popularity does not make you good or bad. It had completely nothing to do with the quality of the work.

There. Show a rapper that has better, stronger, more meaningful lyrics. Go on. Do it.
I already did retard. Go on. Do it. Give me a break. You're dumb as hell. Check back to the beginning of this thread.
Furthermore, those links that you presented are nothing special.
Anybody can write that.

Sorry, where? I saw nothing. No mention of a good rapper. Nothing. There was nothing shown. You must be dumb as Hell, not me.

Miami - US rapper Marion "Suge" Knight, who is no stranger to prison and gang violence, was shot in the buttocks early on Sunday as he attended one of the glamour parties ahead of MTV's video music awards ceremony, police said.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Abroad/0,,2-1225-1243_1761008,00.html

Yeah, these guys are quality.

As an aside, MTV held this event. Do you think they held it in appreciation of the so-called artists talent, or to bolster their own interests. The latter, of course.

Anyone who is interested in music for any reason other than lyrics and "who's hot" should be able to tell who the good rappers are and who isn't. Eminem is not. But I don't care about him, he is just an MTv moneybag.

There are rappers out there who actually come up with creative content, like Immortal Technique and Del, rappers who don't delimit every other word with "whut" and "uh." Most rappers do not sing about "reality," per se, but their own lives. Not that it's bad to sing about your own life, but I do not live in a rappers reality, thus it's not reality, merely someone else's.

All of these rappers who are getting radio time and TV time are tools. And anyone who says they listen to "just about everything, except country and hip-hop and classical" should not be allowed to listen to music :)

LEARN TO APPRECIATE GOOD MUSIC

I think M&M is the bomb it's just so good to have some poxy white guy who dress like a gangster amoungst all the poppy pop pop swearing and sellling more records than james blunt. If there was no hip hop then the charts would be sooooooooo bland that we'ed all not listen to music rap music cannot be said to be crap but only by the smallest minded people whom have no idea about the width things have to be to get any good.
and rap what about faith no more they rapped but the whole rock band aspect makes people forget that the style was rap but with gituars.
I din't read any of the stuff in this thread but the title hope I still managed a nu point.
faith no more forever (when the chours is so good why wright comprehendleble lyrics?)

Sorry, where? I saw nothing. No mention of a good rapper. Nothing. There was nothing shown. You must be dumb as Hell, not me.
No, sorry. You're dumb as hell. Get a brain.

Actually, I already have two, though one is not in my head. Hurling around insults mindlessly at the people that refute their claims-Now there's a rapper for ya! Cool Skill, you should jump into the game! Throw even more mutha's and bitches into you words and you'd have it made.

Rap in these days IS crap. But before with Dre, 2Pac, and the old Eminem, it was great, but now anyone can be a rapper, regardless of their skills, I mean look at Tony Yayo.....

I can't believe how narrow-minded some of you people are pertaining to different genres of music. Many of you are making baseless assumptions about something, that obviously most of you, know nothing about. If you can ever listen to landmark hip-hop albums such as A Tribe Called Quest's "The Low End Theory", Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth's "Mecca and the Soul Brother", Nas' "Illmatic", and De La Soul's "3 Feet High and Rising", hopefully you'll be able to fully appreciate the originality and eccentricity of the hip-hop genre. Using artists like 50 cent, Young Jeezy, Chingy, Nelly, Mike Jones, Paul Wall, among other mainstream acts as an archetype for hip-hop is also as stupid as me using Blink 182 and Good Charlotte to base my opinion on rock.

I'm out like shout

Fathoms, can you tell me more about Joyful Rebellion? I liked his other album, Exit.

I think Rap can't predict the future, since on Jeru the Damagers first album its New York destroyed not New Orleans.
Also public enemy did a song called 911 is a joke, that certatainly doesn't seem to be the case now.

"I Sincerly Love Allah Mathematics," hip hops also bred some good quotes. :m:

Basically the main thing I listen to is rap. But if its newschool or old school sell outs. I dont listen to it. I aint saying there crap. Its just not in my style. And alot of the way rappers make there cds has alot to do with all the digital things beeing made. But I think most of its good. I cant say I hate it. There some place I aint.

BTW - wasn't the very first commercial rap hit a cover of an Aerosmith tune? Walk this way?

Ever heard of the Sugar Hill Gang?

Oh yes, their hit back in the late 70's - 'Rappers Delight.' DMC was in 1986. Thanks.

Lately I've been listening to alot of Westside Connection's shit. They are gritty as hell (just check out The Gangsta, The Killa, And The Dope Dealer to know what I mean), and have a good sense of humor, too (if you don't crack up at the end of So Many Rappers In Love, seriously you must love 'N SYNC). Music is also good (like the beach resort sound backround of Gangstas Make The World Go Round). Any fans of said group here?

Rap is so crappy, sloppy beats, boring lyrics, much posturing........I hope something better is coming next.

Actually, I already have two, though one is not in my head. Hurling around insults mindlessly at the people that refute their claims-Now there's a rapper for ya! Cool Skill, you should jump into the game! Throw even more mutha's and bitches into you words and you'd have it made.
You have no say. Just mindless rants against rap for mindless reasons. Actully, you do not have a brain. Loser.

Mindless rants? You are the fool that believes the only reason people don't like rap are because they're racist. It is your stupidity and that of people like you that insures 1-certain people will never like rap and 2-rap will be disrespected by a great deal of members of the rock community. The blind attacks against rap are in a cycle with the blind attacks against rock. Face it, Cool Skill, you are insulting me because you have no real argument. My arguments have been thought out and have had backing evidence, while yours consist of arrogant uni-directional views about the truth of your own opinions. So much waste...

Why do people still respond to anything Coolskill says?

Keep him around for entertainment value. He's defending something that cannot be, and there's nothing more hilarious than watching someone do just that.

Y'all remember the Iraqi Disinformation Minister....choppers in the background and all that?

Face it, Cool Skill, you are insulting me because you have no real argument. My arguments have been thought out and have had backing evidence
No I'm insulting you because you are a total moron. You're arguments are not well thought out. They are completely brainless. You are downing rap music with false claims against it. IT only shows how dumb you are, and how little you know about music or anything for that matter. You are a retard.

Alot of people hate rap. But what they dont understand. Rap is for anyone, no matter if there native, white, black or mexican. People who are musicians that cant sing, rap. Not everyone can sing. Singing you have to have the skill. Rapping, it doesnt matter how your voice is, or who you are. You can take a nerd to a homeless guy and make it sound good. By what they write is up to them. I rap and im working on my album in my studiio, but im doing it as a hobby, I aint trying to sell cds and make money off of it. But you should have alot of respect for all the singers and rappers, because its hard work and hard to get there. I listen to rap, But i got alot of pride and i dont go around disrespecting jazz, country, rock, etc. I just made a hell of a good point, lol, jp, im out. peace. the romantic wardawg nativikee.

To a certain point I would agree with you, but it isn't that a rapper can't sing, nor that anyone else can. Tom Petty has a horrible singing voice, but I love his vocalizations. And, in the meantime, Cool Skill can either prove one of his points, prove that I am not planning ahead or supporting my arguments, or he can go straight to hell.

Yeah I know what your sayen, what they write does make a difference, cause most people that it relates to will listen too it no matter if the singing or rapping sucks. Theres a few songs I like, I hate the chores and I hate the rapping but I like the vocals, cause it relates to me.

As a someone who listens to copious amounts of alternative and classic rock, I can say that I never knew where to begin with hip hop. The commercial landscape is just so polluted right now with all forms of music, that expaning your horizons into another form of music can be difficult. If all I knew about rock was Linkin Park and Nickelback I'd be apt to say that it fucking sucks too. But I just recently picked up K-os' Joyful Rebellion album, and it RULES!!! It can only tenously be classified as Hip-hop because it blends so many styles of music (w/ live instrumentation I might add) with intelligent lyrics without being preachy or boring. Musically very well versed, with nods to Micheal Jackson, Pink Floyd, Ray Charles et al, and even cleverly dropping props to Nirvana and the Tragically Hip in his lyrics. So the moral of the story is, you can't just paint things you don't understand with such a broad brush as "it all sucks". There is legitimacy in all forms of music. K-os has been my gateway drug into rap and hip hop.
YES!

I can't believe how narrow-minded some of you people are pertaining to different genres of music. Many of you are making baseless assumptions about something, that obviously most of you, know nothing about. If you can ever listen to landmark hip-hop albums such as A Tribe Called Quest's "The Low End Theory", Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth's "Mecca and the Soul Brother", Nas' "Illmatic", and De La Soul's "3 Feet High and Rising", hopefully you'll be able to fully appreciate the originality and eccentricity of the hip-hop genre. Using artists like 50 cent, Young Jeezy, Chingy, Nelly, Mike Jones, Paul Wall, among other mainstream acts as an archetype for hip-hop is also as stupid as me using Blink 182 and Good Charlotte to base my opinion on rock.

I'm out like shout

Exactly. We're all throwing around a few example to stand in for a massive genre of music. There can't be any sort of meaningful discussion under a heading like "Rap or Crap."

Alot of people hate rap. But what they dont understand. Rap is for anyone, no matter if there native, white, black or mexican. People who are musicians that cant sing, rap. Not everyone can sing. Singing you have to have the skill. Rapping, it doesnt matter how your voice is, or who you are. You can take a nerd to a homeless guy and make it sound good. By what they write is up to them. I rap and im working on my album in my studiio, but im doing it as a hobby, I aint trying to sell cds and make money off of it. But you should have alot of respect for all the singers and rappers, because its hard work and hard to get there. I listen to rap, But i got alot of pride and i dont go around disrespecting jazz, country, rock, etc. I just made a hell of a good point, lol, jp, im out. peace. the romantic wardawg nativikee.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Rapping is not easy. It may sound like it to the uninitiated, but once you listen to enough hip hop to appreciate the finer points you'll realize that good rappers are very rare, much rarer than good singers. In singers, there is a huge mass of competently talented people and a few amazing artists. In rap you have a similar number of amazing artists, but most rappers just suck, they're people who have no business being there and just give it a shot because it sounds easy.

I concur with panopticon707, most rappers do suck. If every famous rapper were to get on stage right now and freestyle, over 75% couldn't do it. In my opinion, a good rapper has to be able to freestyle. That's the whole basis of rap, along with the lifestyle. Personally, rap is one of my favorite genre's of music. The messages it gives has changed a lot throughout the years. It used to be better.

What is this thing, "freestyle"?

"Freestyling" is rapping off the top of your head, without rehearsal. But true freestyling is rare, most rappers memorize a few choice lines at least. Like phrase-based jazz solos.

Whats up, I agree wit you but dont agree wit yall on free stylen, Free stylens ok, some rappers can do it and make it sound good, others just think they can. I free style for fun but I aint as good at it unless im drunk and by myself. I prefer sticking to paper, and taking more time thinking of lines and what I can do wit a song. Im currently working on my recording studio, than start working on my cd, But Im just doing it for myself. I aint trying to sell or make it big or anything. If any of you wanna build a home recording studio. go to homerecording.com and in there forums, you can learn alot, well holla at yall later. peace.

Oh, so that's what freestyling is? Honestly, I thought it was something quite mysterious, intractable even, like free jazz.......

What is this thing, "freestyle"?

Making it up as you go along, no prior thought required, usually used by those with no prior thoughts.

"Freestyling" is rapping off the top of your head, without rehearsal. But true freestyling is rare, most rappers memorize a few choice lines at least. Like phrase-based jazz solos.


ever seen Mos Def freestyle?....its inspiring....

Yes I have.

Rap is music. Dolts like have no understanding of what rap is or what music is. Therefore, they go on moronic rants against it. Then throw out nonsense points like they are provinf something.

I hope that comment wasn't directed at me Cool Skill, being that I am a musician and all. I wonder how much you really know about music, especially since you have not once proved a point or made a legitimate argument. In fact, about the only moronic rants I have seen are yours...

Cool and Arqy, get a life.

Rap is crap. Crap is rap.

Life is crap. Crap is life.

Does anyone here think good music has to have lyrics?

I actually prefer music without lyrics and, if lyrics are unavoidable, then I prefer to listen to really strong and original singers even if they're in a language I don't understand. Musically, I came of age in the 70's and the bands that inspired me, that made me laugh and made me cry, mostly, had NO lyric interpreters, I'm talking about Weather Report, The Crusaders, Brothers Johnson, Herbie Hancock, Pat Metheny, Milton Nascimento (an exception) and others of that ilk.

The thing I find fascinating with Rap and Hip Hop, is that kids refer to it as Rhythm n Blues, which is funny, because it hardly bears any resemblance to the Rhythm n Blues I remember from the 60's. What is also ironic, is that the kids who are into it in my country, Cyprus, where there are no blacks to speak of, are white, very family oriented and very middle class and it's just so funny to see them nodding their heads to the beats and getting into the lyrics gloryfying street life, gangstas, pimps, ho's and drugs; in fact it's totally bizarre.

really interesting TABLARIDDIM......and i ddn't know you were from Cyprus

Do you mean they dont uderstand the language about te gangster references?

the rap i like is the stuff that challenges te gangstacrap

Tablariddim, you obviously dont know anything about hip hop or rap. Nobody refers to it as rhythm and blues, thats R&B music, you getting your genres mixed up. Hip hop isnt just black music, it was started by blacks and hispanics but that doesnt mean its exclusive to those races and for you to say youre suprised white kids in Cyprus listen to it is ignorant.

Almost as ignorant as saying that only people that come from poverty and/or broken homes can identify with hip hop and rap.

Heres the thing that gets me, and you and others in this thread are the perfect example. 99.9% of people who argue against hip hop and rap have no clue what hip hop and rap is all about. Youre whole argument is flawed from that simple point. Thats like me arguing about car motors with a mechanic though I have no idea what im talking about.

If you dont like the music dont listen to it, simple as that, but whats the thought behind trying to shit on anything who does recognize the beauty of hip hop. I personally, could care less about country music, but im not gonna try to convinve someone that actually listens to it, that there style of music is garbage.

That is just beyond stupidity, you will never understand the hip hop culture so why even argue against it, making yourself look stupid.

I actually like a lot of rap and hip-hop. It's still crap. As is country, jazz, r&b, and light rock. Does it look as if we give a shit if we come across as stupid? Who gives a flying fuck? We are all stupid. We are all idiots. Who gives a shit? Only those that think anything they do or say is relevant, worthwhile, meaningful or some other stupid thing.

Sure they call it R&B, not rhythm n blues that's true. Rap and hip hop is predominantly black/Hispanic in any case American street music. Yes I do understand it and where it's coming from and that's why I find it funny when totally unhip people groove to it, but it's all to do with MTV.

so, tellus, Silence Prolific....wht is hip hop alllll about?

Duendy, I could never explain to you in a way to make you understand what it is if you have never lived it. Almost like how do you explain color to a blind man?

I could never explain the feeling of actually hearing someone like Nas and the way he rhymes that almost makes you feel like you are living inside that moment he is talking about. THe feeling of anticipating the Wu Tang Forever album for months in advance, going to the local CD store at midnight on the day of its release just so you can be one of the first to get a copy, and not just that but all your expectations were exceeded (sp).

I could never explain the feeling of playing a classic CD all day long for months at a time and never getting bore of it, and everytime you listen closely you pick up another gem that makes you realize what true hip hop really is. I could never fully explain these feelings to you unless youve lived through them. Then you would know exactly what im talking about.

Hip hop isnt some music video countdown show on basic cable. Hip hop isnt wearing baggy pants with a medallion on, thats what the media has made hip hop out to be. Of course its part of it, but wearing the latest fashion trends or talking in slang doesnt make you hip hop.

I understand what some of you are saying because truth is, if I was only exposed to the more commercial side of hip hop then i too would dispise it. My whole thing is this.....if you wanna argue against hip hop, at least do your homework. Understand who the pioneers of hip hop are and the reason behind its creation. Understand that Tupac and Biggie arent the start or ending of hip hop. Understand that hip hop is about hope (which may be a good or bad thing). And most importantly understand that most true hip hop heads dont like the same things you are talking about.

The people who have been down with hip hop since day one know that a platinum selling album doesnt equate to skills (50 cent). Just like we know to many gimmicks are created just to appeal to a broader audience, because rap is a business, but dont forget that hip hop is a culture. If you gonna argue against it, arm yourself with knowledge so you dont make yourself look foolish.

Nice.

Science Prolific....Riiiiiight Onnnnnn

loved the way you love Hip Hop and te way you tell it
i Love Nas....i had a shroom experience getting into his 'I Am' CD....I advise strongly everyone here to do same....Z lot of blocks are due to preconceptions.....blo em away, even for several hours. you will feel it right in the soul

"Duendy, I could never explain to you in a way to make you understand what it is if you.....I could never fully explain these feelings to you unless youve lived through them. Then you would know exactly what im talking about."

don't wanna be devil's advocate here but what you just said here can apply to most music especially when you have superficial knowledge of musical structure, you don't mind being more specific? Also when you said
"Heres the thing that gets me, and you and others in this thread are the perfect example. 99.9% of people who argue against hip hop and rap have no clue what hip hop and rap is all about. Youre whole argument is flawed from that simple point. Thats like me arguing about car motors with a mechanic though I have no idea what im talking about."
Well how can you say we don't know what its about, a lot of our friends and family listen to it and offer us samples, its on almost on every music channel and on the radio, to say we have no clue is quite absurd.
I don't know what kind of rap or hip hop you like but as far as I'm concerned anything with crap like "blame it on whitey", hoes, bling, drugs, secret police, "ridez", ghetto glamour, repetitive and simplified music with excessive bass. If you like anything else then that's fine but we're criticising what the majority of hip hop fans like, to be honest I was actually quite surprised when you guys said you didn't like Eminem or 50 Cent because as far as the majority of hip hop fans are concerned they are pioneers in rap.

Another thing, when I asked wether you guys think good music has to have lyrics, I asked because bands like Rage Against The Machine who spew some of the dumbest bullshit to be burned on CD (its not the rapping but rather the content) have (via Tom Morello) produced some good riffs which outweigh any pollitical rubbish they have to say. Also the Metallica songs Call Of Ktulu and Orion are brilliant masterpieces which have no need for lyrics likewise with some of the stuff done by Joe Satriani and Yngwie Malmsteem.

Listening to scraps of hip hop here and there doesn't mean that you know about it. The typical "it's all guns and hoes" line you dropped shows your ignorance. I don't bash country music on musical grounds, even though it annoys me when it comes on the radio. Why? Because I don't know anything about it.

This is a pointless thread. Why are you mo-fo's so fucking concerned with this shit when there are so many other, more important, things, happening, that REALLY, need your attention? Are you brainwashed by the "system?" Are you just "morons" to think this rap/r&b shit matters at all compared to other more "life and death" matters? Are you so shallow? Do you fucking imbeciles think that your rap is more important than people being abused, exploited, and marginalized? Can't you see that you are about to be abused, exploited and marginalized in the same manner?

You want to live a god-damned "blessed" life? Then wake the fuck up! You are all losing it! You are about to be left behind in the dust of the rich and the greedy!

qiani_q, thats my whole argument, and in a way you are making my point for me. Hip hop isnt what you hear from the radio and music television. Of course thats all you are gonna know about rap and hip hop if you make your argument against it from just what people let you hear or see. Like I said, most true hip hop fans feel the same way as you when it comes down to it. BEcause they kow hip hop isnt about the guns or the hoes or all that other bullshit that is spewed and then attempted to be passed of as hip hop.

Panopticon707 said it best, just because you listen to scraps of hip hop here and there doesnt mean you know anything about it. The truth is most people at least the younger generation, who listen to hip hop dont have a clue what hip hop is all about. Partly because they just go along with what gets radio and video play. Most of these kids have no Idea who Id be talking about if I started talking about Dj Kool Herc, Rakim, BDP, KRs-1, public enemy,Grandmaster THeodore, etc. Like you said there perception of what hip hop is revolves around 50 cent and eminem, mainly due to the fact that is what sells, but its mostly an image. Like I said before, most true hip hop listeners are able to distinguish between who is real and who is just a gimmck made by the record labels just to sell records.

To answer your other question. No, I dont think good music needs lyrics at all. Beethoven's Moonlight sonata gives me the chills everytime I hear it. He doesnt say anything as far as lyrics go, but at the end of the day good music is good music with or without lyrics.

I guess topics closed then, i pretty much agree with silence, but to clarify things about "Gunz and Hoes" I doubt you guys havn't heard Gunshot by Akon but if u dnt listen to dat crap den ders no prblem. As for country music there isn't actually a lot to it which pretty much explains its crappyness, I used to learn kenny roger songs on my guitar because they use to be real easy for begginers with its repetitive open chords.

Didnt public enemy do that song with anthrax? I forget what its called.

Face it, most modern music is total garbage... hail Beethoven

Hey Cottontop, how's the condescension up there?

Silence, I agree with you most of the way, but I'm tired of hearing that stuff on the radio isn't real hip hop, real hip hop is little brother, or tribe called quest, or whatever. What's one the radio is one genre. What you like is another. I happen to like both. It's like saying that punk isn't rock music, heavy metal is rock music. I think people get confused because they don't realize that hip hop has several genres. And fans of underground get understandably annoyed when people assume they like gangsta music when they say that they like hip hop.

That is true, panopticon. There are many genres of hip hop from gangsta to more conscience type hip hop. There are alot more gimmicks in commercial hip hop just because its made to sell an image as opposed to sell hip hop based in skills. Not just radio either but television also, the other day i reading an article in which BET said it wouldnt play Little Brother's new video because "It was too smart for there core audience" in other words, it doesnt have some female shaking her ass throught the video therefore it gets no video play rotation.

Of course there are some cats in mainstream who aren't just some hip hop version of a boy band made by the industry to sell. I think the main beef with underground fans is that people like 50 cent and Nelly and many others are getting love while cats like Chino Xl, Gza, Gangstarr, GHostface, etc are being ignored despite having more talent than those I previously mentioned. I listen to some mainstream commercial hip hop, I cant denie liking some of it, like I said before, good music is good music.

I just brought up the conversation of mainstream hip hop versus underground simply because it fit into the discussion that there is more hip hop beyond what gets radio play. And in order to argue against hip hop with some intelligence, people should recognize the other sub divisions of hip hop before making a blanket statement like "fuck hip hop its all about guns bitches and hoes"

i love real rap but hate what it has become.
some people have stayed real the new breed of MTV bitches is pathetic there not what they say they are.

respect to the real

D-Block
lox
ruff ryders
papoose
murder mook

and others that havent been warped by that gay bling bling immage that hip hop has turned into.

I never hated rap until I was getting it shoved down my throat by a bunch of stupid rejects with no understanding of right or wrong and no grasp of reality. Mainstream rap glorifies something which is not good. Someone here said if you don't like rap just don't listen to it, but don't tell someone who does it sucks. However, that temptation is pretty hard to avoid when the person is telling you what kind of crap you're listening to.

the media shove bullshit rap down your throat, while the real rappers find it hard to get widely reconised without a stupid industry rap gimmic, and having some bling.

“Rap is the image of a life, the soul of a man on a paper

Rock is the essence of thought, the want for freedom

Jazz is the rhyme of the day, slowed down with love

Opera is the wisdom of history, the want to remember

Latin rhymes are the sounds of a culture, built with time

Thai’s slow rhythm’s moves along the breeze and quiets the sun.

I fall asleep listening too all, and many cultures become one in the land of dreams.”

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peace.

Okay, rockers listen to the low end theory by a tribe called quest. An example of good rap.
Rappers need to stop dissing the masters. Shakespeare is one of the greatest poets ever, and just because you can't get into his ancient and "primitive" english (like ours is so much better) doesn't mean a thing. Sure, a rapper may write something that is more moving for this generation, but in 500 years, he will sound even worse then shakespeare. They both will be obselete, but shakespeare will be better because he is more thoughtful and wise. Most rappers love playing with words and stuff, but true poetry is hard to come by in rap, no denying it. Good lyrics, sure. Most rappers have weaker prose because of the structure of a rap song. So much rhyming, and so little else. Wheres the anecdotes, the killer lines, ect? Rappers, in my mind, have art but not beauty. I need my beauty at least once a day. THats why I listen to classical, jazz, and rock. That beautiful piano song, that saxophones rich and playful tone, that godly guitar solo. I just don't get that out of rap, something about it, I guess it is the monotony. I appreciate it as art, and I even listen to a bit when I just need something to move to. Same for trance music. Good for car driving. As for the dissing of rock, you need to pay more attention. Plenty of rock has rythem, actually. Many of the best drummers are rock drummers, not hip hop drummers. Guitar is a hard instrument, certainly harder then "computer". I appreciate the fact that art is on any medium, and you should too.
Enough with all the supremecy. Its all good.

Okay, rockers listen to the low end theory by a tribe called quest. An example of good rap.
WTF? Not that they are bad, but they are not all that great.
Tupac's music is really gangsta.
Bone Thugs has a bunch of good songs that made it commercially, and that did not.


I wonder how much you really know about music, especially since you have not once proved a point or made a legitimate argument. In fact, about the only moronic rants I have seen are yours...
You obviously know nothing about music as you have no valid argument.


Cool and Arqy, get a life.
You get a life and a brain. You have no say anyway. Youa are as much a moron as Arqu.

I hate rap. It all sucks imo. I love the old school 70's funk scene, George Clinton, Parliament, The Gap Band, Kool & the Gang, Bootsys Rubber Band, Rick James, Atlantic Star, etc. I love that stuff. In my old neighborhood rap shook the walls. The filthy lyrics, the sexism and gay hating all wrapped in the standard; "Muthafucka muthafucka" is nauseating. Rap is Crap with puke on top.

Mainstream rap glorifies something which is not good.
Says who?

I hate rap. It all sucks imo. I love the old school 70's funk scene, George Clinton, Parliament, The Gap Band, Kool & the Gang, Bootsys Rubber Band, Rick James, Atlantic Star, etc. I love that stuff. In my old neighborhood rap shook the walls. The filthy lyrics, the sexism and gay hating all wrapped in the standard; "Muthafucka muthafucka" is nauseating. Rap is Crap with puke on top.
Rap is great amazing music. Not all rap has cuss words in it, and not all rap is about sexism. Anybody can make a rap about anything.
They even have rap songs telling losers not to copy floppy disks. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9045861006530293045&q=dont+copy+that+floppy)

Rap is great amazing music. Not all rap has cuss words in it, and not all rap is about sexism. Anybody can make a rap about anything.
They even have rap songs telling losers not to copy floppy disks. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9045861006530293045&q=dont+copy+that+floppy)
There's only 2 kinds of music I just can't listen to without wretching: New Country & Rap. I even get into international music, including Arabic! :eek: But that young country crap and rap just make my stomach turn. I guess I associate rap with the urban ghetto I lived