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Zyxoas
11-01-07, 08:28 AM
Okay. So paging through the classifieds of my local newspaper today (looking for the vacancies section -- if you knew what this town is like you would realise that this means I'm desperate) I always have to pass the "Adult Entertainment" section. Okay, so I realise that "call girls" are not exactly crackwhores, but there's just something a bit weird about adverts such as the following:

I AM young, wild, sexy & hot. Com to the right spot Linda 073 XXX XXXX. Only whites. 24/7

079 XXX XXXX We R your fantasy. Sammy & Monique R double trouble. Singles, doubles, couples, Toys, shows. Trvl as well. Whites only.

YOUNG, SEXY, GORGEOUS GIRLS. WHITES ONLY 073 XXX XXXX 079 XXX XXXX

Since some people here believe that EVERY human trait is genetic, could it be that the genes for racism and crackwhoredom are somehow linked? I've yet to see any "blacks only" adverts.

Any thoughts? :-/

cosmictraveler
11-01-07, 08:31 AM
You are very horney person!

shorty_37
11-01-07, 08:34 AM
Yeah this thread makes me feel dirty! I smell disease in the air!

Grantywanty
11-01-07, 08:35 AM
Okay. So paging through the classifieds of my local newspaper today (looking for the vacancies section -- if you knew what this town is like you would realise that this means I'm desperate) I always have to pass the "Adult Entertainment" section.

It's amazing I have to read past the comics and I can't remember a damn bit of text from the bubbles.



Okay, so I realise that "call girls" are not exactly crackwhores, but there's just something a bit weird about adverts such as the following: So why call them crackwhores.


Since some people here believe that EVERY human trait is genetic, could it be that the genes for racism and crackwhoredom are somehow linked? I've yet to see any "blacks only" adverts.

Any thoughts?

I don't believe that every human trait is genetic. But I doubt that you have found disturbing evidence that will challenge people who do.

Captain Kremmen
11-01-07, 08:56 AM
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Bets in magic jellybeans only.

maxg
11-01-07, 09:13 AM
So there are racist prostitutes? At least 3 from the information you present--I'm not sure how that compares to the number who don't have race requirments. Also not sure what you're point is?

s0meguy
11-01-07, 09:14 AM
They only want to fuck whites, just like you don't want to fuck fat guys.

You giving them the label racist, implies that you think that blacks and whites are races, therefore you're the racist here.

They never said that they think that.

Zyxoas
11-01-07, 09:15 AM
Oh no, I predict that this one will last longer than the "Word Association" thread.

Seriously, now, when you think of a "5 dollar gumjob toothless crackwhore" (a popular American archetype) what race do you usually imagine them to be? Please be honest!

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 09:16 AM
Also not sure what you're point is?

Yeah, is anyone going to be campaigning for equal opportunity prostitution? :crazy:

s0meguy
11-01-07, 09:17 AM
Oh no, I predict that this one will last longer than the "Word Association" thread.

Seriously, now, when you think of a "5 dollar gumjob toothless crackwhore" (a popular American archetype) what race do you usually imagine them to be? Please be honest!

Again you assume that blacks and whites are races, therefore you're a racist.

shorty_37
11-01-07, 09:18 AM
So there are racist prostitutes? At least 3 from the information you present--I'm not sure how that compares to the number who don't have race requirments. Also not sure what you're point is?

I am not sure what the point is.........

I am no "Crackwhore" but I can decide who I want to sleep with.
Isn't it just preference?

Grantywanty
11-01-07, 09:37 AM
Yeah, is anyone going to be campaigning for equal opportunity prostitution? :crazy:

Are you saying you against affirmative action in relation to johns?

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 09:39 AM
Are you saying you against affirmative action in relation to johns?

I'm more curious as to why these girls don't find a better way to make money.

Zyxoas
11-01-07, 09:40 AM
There is a point. The data presented suggests a positive correlation between an inclination towards racial discrimination and crackwhoreness. Does everyone agree? Why or why not?

It's interesting to note that I've never seen a "whites only" clause in any gay adverts:

072 XXX XXXX Rugbyhunk - 28j - 90kg. Strong well equipped 4 pure M2M action. Pvt. Trvl. Momé.

maxg
11-01-07, 09:45 AM
There is a point. The data presented suggests a positive correlation between an inclination towards racial discrimination and crackwhoreness. Does everyone agree? Why or why not?

It's interesting to note that I've never seen a "whites only" clause in any gay adverts:

What data? 3 adverts you pulled out of the back of some sex mag you stole from your parents?

Zyxoas
11-01-07, 09:50 AM
It's the local newspaper (Meyerton Ster), not "some sex mag".

Actually, especially since no one has provided evidence to the contrary, I'm tempted to call that "conclusive proof."

Baron Max
11-01-07, 11:04 AM
I'm more curious as to why these girls don't find a better way to make money.

Maybe they think it is better, Sam, ever think of that? Call girls in the Dallas area can make up to $250-300 per hour ...and more if they're "into" some other forms of sexual preferences.

Why do people always think they know what's best for everyone else?

As to whores being racist? I'd say it's like everyone else ...some are, some aren't. So ...what's new?

All humans suck! (But some whores just suck better!)

Baron Max

Zyxoas
11-01-07, 11:15 AM
No, I'm not saying that some crackwhores are racists, I'm saying that it seems as if they're more susceptable to being thus enclined.

Why are so many people here offended by the suggestion? Are you racists? If any of you are racists then JUST SPEAK UP AND ADMIT IT! Be proud of your genetic heritage!! :-D

Nikelodeon
11-01-07, 11:18 AM
I nominate this thread for RAD rating.

spidergoat
11-01-07, 11:36 AM
"whites" in this case is a code word for "white pills", the preferred method of payment.

Baron Max
11-01-07, 11:37 AM
No, I'm not saying that some crackwhores are racists, I'm saying that it seems as if they're more susceptable to being thus enclined.

Well, read the heading that you wrote, perhaps that'll give you some idea why people think that you think they're racists.

Why are so many people here offended by the suggestion? Are you racists? If any of you are racists then JUST SPEAK UP AND ADMIT IT! Be proud of your genetic heritage!!

I don't know why people are offended by it ...it seems to me that everyone should encourage everyone else to express their freedoms. But you know how some people are, right? If someone says that fat people are fat because they eat too much, others jump in and make excuses for the fat people. And for gazillions of years now, liberal doo-gooders have been making excuses for black people ...and accusing others of being racist if they so much as make a valid comment about blacks.

Baron Max

spidergoat
11-01-07, 11:45 AM
If liberals are do-gooders, what does that make you? ...A do-badder?

Baron Max
11-01-07, 11:47 AM
If liberals are do-gooders, what does that make you? ...A do-badder?

A realist.

Baron Max

shorty_37
11-01-07, 11:58 AM
If any of you are racists then JUST SPEAK UP AND ADMIT IT! Be proud of your genetic heritage!! :-D


Puts hand up! I am to some extent.

Atom
11-01-07, 12:17 PM
I'm more curious as to why these girls don't find a better way to make money.

Because the deep foundations of religion have been swept away like castles made of sand.

Only a few decades ago there was a church on every corner and the churches were full. Under the secular nonsense provided by certain well known culprits such moral standards are merely wallpaper.

Hence, we have a land awash with drugs, alcohol and prostitution.

Captain Kremmen
11-01-07, 12:57 PM
Oh no, I predict that this one will last longer than the "Word Association" thread.

Seriously, now, when you think of a "5 dollar gumjob toothless crackwhore" (a popular American archetype) what race do you usually imagine them to be? Please be honest!

In Britain we don't have many Crackwhores.

What race are Crackwhores usually?
I've done a search on google and most of the pictures are of white women.
One is of Mother Teresa, which I suppose is someone's twisted sense of humour.

superluminal
11-01-07, 01:27 PM
Puts hand up! I am to some extent.
Sadly, me too. We all are. Except sam of course.

Xev
11-01-07, 01:40 PM
As to whores being racist? I'd say it's like everyone else ...some are, some aren't. So ...what's new?

All humans suck! (But some whores just suck better!)

Baron Max

Are you suggesting that racism is a trait that "sucks?"

Zyxoas There is a point. The data presented suggests a positive correlation between an inclination towards racial discrimination and crackwhoreness. Does everyone agree? Why or why not?

Cute inflammatory posts. 6/10.

To humor you:

You haven't established a correlation, only suggested one. To actually establish a correlation, you would have to prove that a majority of call girls exclude certain races in their ads, and that this isn't motivated by business practices (i.e black men aren't as good in bed, or don't tip as well, or something along those lines)

Then you would have to prove that callgirls are more likely to exclude certain races than non-callgirls posting personals ads are.

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 02:01 PM
Because the deep foundations of religion have been swept away like castles made of sand.

Only a few decades ago there was a church on every corner and the churches were full. Under the secular nonsense provided by certain well known culprits such moral standards are merely wallpaper.

Hence, we have a land awash with drugs, alcohol and prostitution.

Thats rather a stretch; it may be pragmatic to make money where the only qualifications required are to moan a bit and look enthusiastic, but frankly, its not an upwardly mobile profession and the returns are limited by time and beauty. I know of men who go into the "escort" service for quick bucks, but why so many women take the road, even in societies where they cannot be compelled to, makes me curious.

Xev
11-01-07, 02:09 PM
Thats rather a stretch; it may be pragmatic to make money where the only qualifications required are to moan a bit and look enthusiastic, but frankly, its not an upwardly mobile profession and the returns are limited by time and beauty. I know of men who go into the "escort" service for quick bucks, but why so many women take the road, even in societies where they cannot be compelled to, makes me curious.

It pays substantially more than any entry level job, and it's hard to get a good job if you don't have a degree of some kind. Or if you are in school, a job with such flexible hours is great.

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 02:11 PM
It pays substantially more than any entry level job, and it's hard to get a good job if you don't have a degree of some kind. Or if you are in school, a job with such flexible hours is great.

Hmm so is it used as a temporary stand in for the real thing?

Also, do these girls lead double lives? Or is it acceptable to use prostitution as a career opportunity?

maxg
11-01-07, 02:12 PM
I think all people probably think in terms of race in various situations. But there's a difference between having a racial (or even racist) thought or having racial preferences in some areas (e.g., deciding who you want to have sex with based on race) and being racist--i.e., believing certain people are naturally inferior because they belong to a particular race.

Xev
11-01-07, 02:17 PM
Hmm so is it used as a temporary stand in for the real thing?

Also, do these girls lead double lives? Or is it acceptable to use prostitution as a career opportunity?

I think it depends on the girl. I bet that the girls who are "putting themselves through school" are outnumbered by the girls who don't have any real plan for the future.

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 02:18 PM
. I bet that the girls who are "putting themselves through school" are outnumbered by the girls who don't have any real plan for the future.

I'd have to agree with that; a lot of them don't have plans even after school.

Count Sudoku
11-01-07, 02:53 PM
Okay. So paging through the classifieds of my local newspaper today (looking for the vacancies section -- if you knew what this town is like you would realise that this means I'm desperate) I always have to pass the "Adult Entertainment" section. Okay, so I realise that "call girls" are not exactly crackwhores, but there's just something a bit weird about adverts such as the following:

First, crack whores don't advertise in the paper.

Second, like taxi cab drivers (even black taxi drivers) who don't want to pick up black passengers in some areas, perhaps they've learned from experience that blacks are more likely to beat them, rip them off or give them a disease. Blacks just happen to have way higher rates of STDs than whites.

Since some people here believe that EVERY human trait is genetic, could it be that the genes for racism and crackwhoredom are somehow linked? I've yet to see any "blacks only" adverts.

Any thoughts? :-/

Could it be that they have learned from experience (like waiters in restaurants) that blacks are the worst customers and tippers to have?

Captain Kremmen
11-01-07, 04:17 PM
I've yet to see any "blacks only" adverts.

Any thoughts? :-/

It's a good job they are not advertising on sciforums.
They'd get infracted. Or moved to the cesspool.

Bells
11-01-07, 04:30 PM
The first temptation when reading this thread was 'Cesspool'. But I think it has some potential.. so long as we keep the trolling and racism down to a minimum.

How about we try to discuss racism instead of being racist. Lets leave out the one race being better than the other crap and just discuss racism in society as a topic. Should people be allowed to be racist? Should prostitutes be allowed to be racist? Are they in a position to profile the people they sleep with? Just a few questions that could be discussed in this topic... lets give it a go, shall we?

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One thing I would like to ask Zyxoas is, why do you feel that prostitutes should not be allowed to select who they sleep with or have a preference? You live in a small town, do you think the prostitutes advertising in your local paper might mirror some of the attitudes in your area?


First, crack whores don't advertise in the paper. That is why they are crack whores.

That was the first thing that came to my mind when I read his opening post.

John99
11-01-07, 04:33 PM
Possibly Zyxoas should ask them then come back here with their responses.

Zyxoas
11-01-07, 06:00 PM
Hey guys. Please note that I'm using Opera Mini and for some reason the forum software doesn't work when I click on "reply with quote", so I can't exactly quote your posts when I respond (I'm using my phone because I'm desperately poor, in case you didn't already know).

@Count Dracula: people actually give crackwhores TIPS!?

@Atom: secularity/atheism/rationalism does not cause crackwhorecity. I do not do drugs, I do not drink any alcohol at all, and I am not a fan of prostitution.

@Bells: I don't want to sound like a bitter loser (I'm being absolutely serious here, but only for a second) but, knowing what they had to endure in the past, I can understand why Afrikaners (who constitute a larger than average portion of this area) would be ethnocentric. This municipality, the Midvaal, is only 1 of 2 municipalities in the country that's controled by the main opposition DA party, and I'm sure that the Afrikaner vote was the main cause of this.

If you examine their history, one of the defining moments was the establishment of Vereeniging (which is 10km away) as their ethnic capitol (after the British had basically invaded the Orange Free State after diamonds were discovered in Kimberly, resulting in the Anglo-Boer wars). So, being a minority with a past full of wars, doomsday prophecies (apparently the main motivation for the botched Boeremag bombings), and religious conflict I guess they can be excused for being a little bigoted.

Of course, the way this society is progressing (after Afrikaner designed Apartheid ended 13 years ago) there is unfortunately simply no space for that in the "Rainbow Nation." This is Africa, if you have a problem with "blacks" then find somewhere else to live. But they are full Africans, descendants of Dutch, French, and German people who had fled persecution in their countries, so I feel really sorry for them because their prejudice has put them in a position where they simply can't win.

Okay, I'm done being serious for today.

I mean, if you're a PROSTITUTE douche bag, and you're getting boned by 8 strange dicks a day, shouldn't the dick's colour be the last thing on your mind?? Shouldn't the foremost thought on your mind be "Holly Crap!! I can't believe I'm a crackwhore!! :-O OMFG!! How did I end up here? Mommy?"

hey y'all! Even though I do not know you I'm willing to let you do me if you pay me a few bucks. I don't mind either if you bring your friend or maybe your wife. I'll come to your place and, without you even showering first, I'll put your crusty little smeg-fest prick in my mouth. Then I'll moan like I'm actually enjoying your little worm in my worn out cavern/echo chamber. Of course, I won't allow you to kiss me on the mouth or look into my eyes when I'm rendering my service (oh no). Obviously, you can squirt all over me, I don't mind it when my hair smells of ammonia. Oh, I nearly forgot: you must be white -- I hate those stinkin amoral unhygenic negroes!!!

Yeah.

Baron Max
11-01-07, 06:40 PM
How about we try to discuss racism instead of being racist. Lets leave out the one race being better than the other crap and just discuss racism in society as a topic.

Well, Bells, ....I think the very definition of "racism" is the feeling/thought that one's own race is superior to others. I don't think it's possible to discuss racism without admitting exactly what racism is or means.

Should people be allowed to be racist?

Nope, they should be taken out and shot at sunrise. Or perhaps drawn and quartered by four strong horses as a horseshow for the citizens.

But to get out of being shot, all they have to do is say, "Nope, I'm not a racist." That's it, no proof or anything like that ...just a few simple words and we'll all believe them without question. ..and they won't be shot.

Should prostitutes be allowed to be racist?

Well, if they survive the shooting or being drawn and quartered, then ...Nope, and they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against bald men, fat men, ugly men, hairy men, stinky-smelly men, ...or anything else that even closely resembles male either.

Are they in a position to profile the people they sleep with?

Well, as a business, aren't they required by law to be non-discriminatory? I mean restaurants can't refuse service to anyone, can they? Nope, whores should have to fuck or suck anyone who wants to pay the going rate - no matter how ugly or smelly or sickening they might be.

Baron Max

James R
11-01-07, 07:01 PM
I mean restaurants can't refuse service to anyone, can they?

Yes, they can.

Try rolling up blind drunk to a restaurant, and see what happens.

Count Sudoku
11-01-07, 07:25 PM
Hey guys. Please note that I'm using Opera Mini and for some reason the forum software doesn't work when I click on "reply with quote", so I can't exactly quote your posts when I respond (I'm using my phone because I'm desperately poor, in case you didn't already know).

@Count Dracula: people actually give crackwhores TIPS!?

They aren't crack whores. Crack whores do not advertise in newspapers or on the internet.

Count Sudoku
11-01-07, 07:28 PM
Yes, they can.

Try rolling up blind drunk to a restaurant, and see what happens.

They can't deny service based on race (as much as some restaurants would like to).

Count Sudoku
11-01-07, 07:36 PM
Yes, they can.

Try rolling up blind drunk to a restaurant, and see what happens.

They can't deny service based on race (as much as some restaurants would like to).

Bells
11-01-07, 08:04 PM
Well, Bells, ....I think the very definition of "racism" is the feeling/thought that one's own race is superior to others. I don't think it's possible to discuss racism without admitting exactly what racism is or means.


I agree. But it can still be discussed in regards to its affects on society without being racist about it.

Try. You can do it old son.

...Nope, and they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against bald men, fat men, ugly men, hairy men, stinky-smelly men, ...or anything else that even closely resembles male either.
So you don't think prostitutes should be allowed to choose who their clients are?

Well, as a business, aren't they required by law to be non-discriminatory?
Seeing that prostitution is illegal in many parts of the world...

I mean restaurants can't refuse service to anyone, can they?
Of course they can, and do in fact.

Nope, whores should have to fuck or suck anyone who wants to pay the going rate - no matter how ugly or smelly or sickening they might be.
Why?

Do you think the same should apply to a window cleaner for example?

You're telling me as an architect you accepted every single contract that came your way, even if you did not want to do it?

They can't deny service based on race (as much as some restaurants would like to).
Some still do nonetheless.

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 08:09 PM
Some still do nonetheless.

I've been hustled out of many a store in the US. The hostility was so palpable one could reach out and touch it. Ugliest feeling I have ever experienced in my life.

Bells
11-01-07, 08:15 PM
I've been hustled out of many a store in the US. The hostility was so palpable one could reach out and touch it. Ugliest feeling I have ever experienced in my life.

Yes it is. It has happened to me before and it is a horrible feeling.

I have friends who are very wealthy (and white) but dress like slobs. I have lost count of the number of times they have been refused service (or had security approach them and ask them to leave) in stores based simply on how they look.

Zyxoas
11-01-07, 08:31 PM
People being chased out of stores because of the way they dressed? Were they in a Porche showroom?

shorty_37
11-01-07, 09:44 PM
:wtf: are you talking about hustled out of stores? What kind of stores?
What were you wearing?

I have never heard of this.

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 10:02 PM
I was not dressed any differently from other people there

peta9
11-01-07, 10:06 PM
i tried to buy a car with cash when i first got my license and they didn't believe me. They treated me like dirt and lost my business. twelve thousand dollars in cold hard cash they lost. Most people have shallow perception.

draqon
11-01-07, 10:09 PM
you know whats funny...criminals in trouble trying to apply the laws of government for their own protection. Evil trying to use laws of good to save itself. Wont work. racism in prostitution? well...prostitution shouldn't be there in the first place.

here is another scenario: Chinese doctors with discarded fetuses of humans, using them as food to eat and than getting sick from it...and than asking the government to notice toxins in human fetuses.

ha ha ha

Fraggle Rocker
11-01-07, 10:14 PM
Okay, so I realise that "call girls" are not exactly crackwhores, but there's just something a bit weird about adverts such as the following:Where do you live that prostitutes advertise in the newspaper??? Even in the rural counties of Nevada, the only place it's legal in the USA, I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to run classified ads.Only a few decades ago there was a church on every corner and the churches were full. Under the secular nonsense provided by certain well known culprits such moral standards are merely wallpaper. Hence, we have a land awash with drugs, alcohol and prostitution.I'll take drugs, alcohol and prostitution over Christianity any day. It you add up the harm done over the past two thousand years, it's no contest. Armies of prostitutes have never destroyed entire civilizations.

Bells
11-01-07, 10:52 PM
:wtf: are you talking about hustled out of stores? What kind of stores?
What were you wearing?

I have never heard of this.

Should it matter what anyone was wearing?

I was wearing a business suit on one occasion and was advised that I supposedly could not afford the evening wear in that particular store (I was there buying a gown for a formal wedding during my lunch break). So I went to another store across the road, was sure to wave to them through the window as they watched me buy another dress from their competitor.

Then there was the time I was belittled and ignored when buying one car, the salesman literally telling my husband that he was buying me the car since someone "like" me would surely not be able to afford to buy a car (apparently people of colour aren't supposed to be able to buy a car:rolleyes:), after my husband advised him that I was the one buying the car when the salesman had completely ignored my questions and request for a test drive. I think my husband was more offended than I was. He had never witnessed something like that and could not believe the pure level of discrimination and hatred he was witness to. So I asked to speak to the manager, threatened them with legal action, then took my business elsewhere.:) The look of fear on the manager's face and embarrassment on the salesman's face was satisfying, as well as disappointing. They lost a sale worth over $100k and any future business from me and everyone I know.

There have been other occasions when I was aware of the racism from the salesperson as they ignored me completely, would virtually shuffle me out of the store.. I would go to their competitors, buy what I wanted, then go back and show them the business they had lost. It's petty but after being humiliated like that, revenge feels good.

I've had white friends go into clothing stores and been asked to leave since they would surely not be able to afford the clothing in there. The looks on the sales girl's face must have been priceless when she saw one of them get into his jag which was parked right outside the door after she had security get him to leave. He was apparently dressed in jeans and a scrappy looking t-shirt.

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 11:00 PM
Maybe I should develop a think skin like you, but I had never personally experienced such blatant discrimination before coming to the US. I always feel terribly embarassed for the other person when I am told I cannot afford something or that I should look for stores that cater to people "like me". I never returned to stores that literally pushed me out or simply ignored me or my requests. The sad part is, I did not even recognise it for what it was at first, it was so unusual for me to be treated like that.

madanthonywayne
11-01-07, 11:21 PM
Maybe I should develop a think skin like you, but I had never personally experienced such blatant discrimination before coming to the US. I always feel terribly embarassed for the other person when I am told I cannot afford something or that I should look for stores that cater to people "like me". I never returned to stores that literally pushed me out or simply ignored me or my requests. The sad part is, I did not even recognise it for what it was at first, it was so unusual for me to be treated like that.
It's not racism. If you must label it with an "ism", it's class-ism. At the fanciest store in our town, my wife is either treated like a queen or a bum, depending on how she's dressed. And she's white every time.

Idiocy is what it is. You can't judge a person by how he's dressed. These boneheads are losing custumers due to their own prejudices.

S.A.M.
11-01-07, 11:24 PM
It's not racism. If you must label it with an "ism", it's class-ism. At the fanciest store in our town, my wife is either treated like a queen or a bum, depending on how she's dressed. And she's white every time.

Idiocy is what it is. You can't judge a person by how he's dressed. These boneheads are losing custumers due to their own prejudices.

I was not dressed any different from the rest of the people. Believe me, I got pretty good at recognising it in three years.

Bells
11-01-07, 11:42 PM
I was not dressed any different from the rest of the people. Believe me, I got pretty good at recognising it in three years.

Same.

After a while, it is easily recognisable.

Sometimes it is based on 'class', but other time, the racism is plain for all to see. It is denigrating and insulting. The time when my husband was with me and witnessed it first hand, he was appalled. He kept apologising on the way home, as though he were somehow at fault because he is white.

I have developed a thick skin in that regard. I simply treat them like the idiots they are and take my business elsewhere.

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You can't judge a person by how he's dressed. These boneheads are losing custumers due to their own prejudices.
You shouldn't judge a customer by how they are dressed or the colour of their skin.

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To try to bring this back to topic:p.. should the same apply to prostitutes?

madanthonywayne
11-02-07, 12:56 AM
You shouldn't judge a customer by how they are dressed or the color of their skin.

Of course not. Their money is all green.:)

mountainhare
11-02-07, 01:49 AM
Bells:
Sometimes it is based on 'class', but other time, the racism is plain for all to see.


Is it reasonable to assume that blacks are more likely to come from a lower socioeconomic, and hence have less money to spend?

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 04:02 AM
@Mountain: if I you're going to shop in Fancy Shit 'R' Us, doesn't that mean you have the money to do so?

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 04:24 AM
Man, the U.S. sounds really bad!

Just a few weeks ago I called a Citroën car shop to enquire about an advert of theirs (for my mother, who is not too comfortable speaking English). After calling them twice and being diverted 3 times, the lady told me that she didn't know about the particular advert but would ask the guy who did to call me back.

Less than 5 minutes later Leon called me and we were chatting about the advert, financing, and the fact that a new credit act meant that a deposit was not necessary. He even invited me to come and test drive the vehicles at the Vereeniging shop.

My mother wanted to pay cash, however, and she bought a second hand car which still requires US$1000 dollars in panel beating, but never once did anyone at the store assume that I couldn't afford a car.

Of course, I've never shopped at any fancy place, not even the Sandton City Mall in Johanesburg! The only time I've been explicitely ask to leave a store was when my then girlfriend wanted to go to this scumole shop to look at a dress, but we were 2 teenagers wearing school uniforms, and we weren't going to buy anything anyway. :shrug:

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 04:55 AM
This reminds me of a TV advert.

A guy walks into a bar. He asks the senior bartender "How much for a blah?"

The bartender says "You'll never afford it."

"Really?"

"Really."

The guy leaves, and the junior bartender asks "What was that all about?"

"He comes here every night and asks the same question."

"If he can't afford it, then why does he keep asking?"

"Oh, he can afford it, he just likes hearing being told that he can't. It keeps him motivated."

kaneda
11-02-07, 05:42 AM
I have talked with a fair number of prostitutes in Bangkok. I can't talk for elsewhere but they said they prefer whites rather than Blacks, Asians, or even their own kind because they get treated a lot better. I have heard horror stories and seen signs of beatings from Blacks, Asians and Muslim customers. I think asking for white customers in some areas might be more about self preservation rather than racism.

Orleander
11-02-07, 06:40 AM
call the number and ask. easy peasy

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 06:47 AM
Me call a crackwhore? I'm not ready to stoop that low yet...

Orleander
11-02-07, 06:51 AM
Me call a crackwhore? I'm not ready to stoop that low yet...

she's just a person. Its not like you would be calling for a 'date'.

Baron Max
11-02-07, 06:56 AM
she's just a person. Its not like you would be calling for a 'date'.

I don't know ....it'd probably be like stickin' yer dick into a beaker of nasty germs, live viruses and mucus! ...or maybe worse! :D

Baron Max

Orleander
11-02-07, 06:57 AM
calling would be??

Baron Max
11-02-07, 07:00 AM
calling would be??

Why else would anyone call a crack whore? Perhaps to chat about the weather or the latest news on the conflict in Burma?

Baron Max

Orleander
11-02-07, 07:11 AM
<sigh> No, to ask why her ad says "white only"

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 07:33 AM
Okay, so if I were to call one of them I imagine something like this:

"Ello, be tis Linda yeah?"

"Bleksem!! Kan julle kafers nie lees nie!? The advert said 'whites only!' Are you voken dom??"

"But you is crackwhore. Don't be calling ME names."

"Vok!!! Well you are a... a... a BANTU KAFFIR!!!"

*click*

That would ruin my day...

S.A.M.
11-02-07, 07:36 AM
They can tell your color on the phone? :p

mountainhare
11-02-07, 07:38 AM
Zyx:

@Mountain: if I you're going to shop in Fancy Shit 'R' Us, doesn't that mean you have the money to do so?


Nope! Lots of women love to go 'window shopping'.

Baron Max
11-02-07, 07:46 AM
They can tell your color on the phone?

One can distinguish the speech of an American black man over the phone, yes. It's quite easy and one doesn't even have to have ultra-sensitive hearing to do it.

Baron Max

S.A.M.
11-02-07, 07:52 AM
One can distinguish the speech of an American black man over the phone, yes. It's quite easy and one doesn't even have to have ultra-sensitive hearing to do it.

Baron Max

He's not American

Baron Max
11-02-07, 07:58 AM
He's not American

One could probably still tell if they were familiar with whatever nation he was from. It's the accents, Sam, and you know it full well.

Baron Max

S.A.M.
11-02-07, 08:00 AM
One could probably still tell if they were familiar with whatever nation he was from. It's the accents, Sam, and you know it full well.

Baron Max

Is it? Do you think Condoleeza Rice has an accent?

Baron Max
11-02-07, 08:02 AM
Is it? Do you think Condoleeza Rice has an accent?

Yes.

And, Sam, I'm done with your bullshit on this issue. You're just prodding and poking with your sharpened sticks again. :rolleyes:

Baron Max

S.A.M.
11-02-07, 08:03 AM
Yes.

And, Sam, I'm done with your bullshit on this issue. You're just prodding and poking with your sharpened sticks again. :rolleyes:

Baron Max

Of course :rolleyes:

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 08:17 AM
This reminds me of the pilot episode of a local series named "Homeland."

So there are these 3 young boys who are best friends. One is English, one is an Afrikaner, and one is "Black." They all lived together in this very poor neighbourhood (I guess the fact that the government allowed them to live together means that it was before the laws of "Grand Apartheid" which resulted in mixed communities such as Sophiatown being demolished) and one day they went to these two sisters.

So they paid the girls to show them their panties underneath their skirts for a few seconds. The one girl says "Okay, but the Kaffir must not look."

"Oh come on! He's with us. We'll pay you more."

"No he can't look. It's just not right."

And accepting money to show the boys your underwear is?

John99
11-02-07, 09:10 AM
I'll take drugs, alcohol and prostitution over Christianity any day. It you add up the harm done over the past two thousand years, it's no contest. Armies of prostitutes have never destroyed entire civilizations.

It is just circumstance, i dont know of any group of people inherently more violent. It really appears that you just dont care for or have negative opinion of people who are different than you, but thats like 80% of the population. It gets broken down to the lowest\least common denominator, it could be anything. I get a kick out of reading these posts because too many are just kidding themselves, on one hand people cry and tell tales and then in the next breath extoll the virtues of their own chose prejudice. How do we acccount for this? It is like being disgusted by anothers wart and loving your own. There is no answer, we just are not comfortable with differences, ddep down we are all insecure, maybe defense mechanism and this is not only with humans, you can see this throughout nature. As a matter of fact this can be observed in ever single living organisms because if someone knows even one i would sure like to hear it.

Also, we must remember that people wear their religion on their sleeve, this does not mean that all their actions are because of it. After all would you prefer arm bands to signify Atheist? Then whenever an Atheist does something awfull (as by natural consequence many do) we can all say 'yep theres the arm band, i told you they were no good' sure it will make us feel better, something to seperate us and take comfort even for just a few moments in our delusion. Like a warm blanket or hot cocoa when you just walk in from the cold but that wears off and wears out soon we need to find another blanket.

Now that was a great post. No room for error, no way to dispute. Its perfect.

Orleander
11-02-07, 09:20 AM
One can distinguish the speech of an American black man over the phone, yes. It's quite easy and one doesn't even have to have ultra-sensitive hearing to do it.

Baron Max

Same with names. One brother named Ryan, another Rayquan. (Guess which one gets the interview first.) We were told we had a new hire named Neesha. What a surprise to see a white girl walk in.

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 09:25 AM
Where do African Americans get these weird names? Are they French? Taniqua, Rayshaan, Taekwando... Where do English speaking people get these names!?

Orleander
11-02-07, 09:28 AM
Some are made up, but I have learned a lot of them are African, mainly Swahili. (at least around here)
My son goes to school with a Careese. His Mom likes cars and reese's. poor kid.

John99
11-02-07, 09:31 AM
Same with names. One brother named Ryan, another Rayquan. (Guess which one gets the interview first.) We were told we had a new hire named Neesha. What a surprise to see a white girl walk in.

Being too smart for your own good and not accounting for curve balls.

Orleander
11-02-07, 09:33 AM
what?

Zyxoas
11-02-07, 10:06 AM
Oh, from "Africa"? Like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molefi_Kete_Asante whose first name is from Sesotho (my language) and means "the payer."

Do they really know anything about these names and the languages they came from? Do they get them from experts or native speakers of Kiswahili? Or is it just crap they picked up in dumb books.

Here's a quick test: who can tell me anything about Kiswahili (more than "it's spoken in Africa") without cheating (just from the top of your head)? Can anyone tell me where the "ki" in the name I'm using (instead of "Swahili") comes from? Because I really feel it's somewhat disrespectful to the language and its speakers (and somewhat undignified) if you're going to use it as a fashion if you don't know anything about it.

G. F. Schleebenhorst
11-02-07, 10:54 AM
I realise this thread has gone completely off-topic by now, but....

It's not like you can force callgirls to have sex with people they don't want to have sex with....it's just personal preference, yes it's racism (and lost profits for them, it's not like they *want* to have sex with their white clients either), but there are people from all races who won't have sex with someone from a different race - to me this just looks like a whine thread....boo hoo, they won't let you pay them for sex because you're black, right? Well, it's not like there aren't enough black prostitutes for you to pick from.

Fraggle Rocker
11-02-07, 11:12 AM
madanthonywayne: It's not racism. If you must label it with an "ism", it's class-ism. At the fanciest store in our town, my wife is either treated like a queen or a bum, depending on how she's dressed. And she's white every time.That's the point. At least in America's big cities there's no racism among shopkeepers because all they want to do is make money. My wife dresses down most of the time. When she's in a fancy store and the clerks have ignored her for a while, she pulls her hand out of her pocket and lets her two-carat diamond blind them. They come running over and after she takes up their time she just walks out on and spends her money somewhere else.Is it reasonable to assume that blacks are more likely to come from a lower socioeconomic, and hence have less money to spend?I don't know if its "reasonable." But it's common. That's a combination of racism and classism. There was a time when people in retail either had good people skills naturally or were trained in it. They could tell how prosperous you were by a hundred verbal and non-verbal cues, without looking at how you happened to be dressed on that day.Man, the U.S. sounds really bad! Just a few weeks ago I called a Citroën car shop to enquire about an advert. . . .In the US, auto dealers have always been notorious for breaking racial barriers. They are the quintessential capitalists. I remember a black comedian telling the joke 45 years ago when segregation was still widespread: "You may have covenants to keep me from buying a house in your neighborhood, you may have signs to keep me from sitting at the front of your bus, and may you refuse to serve me when I walk into your restaurant. But when I walk into a Cadillac dealership with $6,000, General Motors will be happy to sell me anything I want. That's why negroes all drive Cadillacs."One can distinguish the speech of an American black man over the phone, yes. It's quite easy and one doesn't even have to have ultra-sensitive hearing to do it.I've always remarked on the many ways in which the "black community" maintains its separateness, 140 years after Emancipation. They are Americans whose ancestors have been Americans for at least a century and a half, but they are less assimilated than people whose own parents came from China, Mexico and Lebanon. They have their own dialect, food, music and social customs. Only 8% of them marry white people, compared to one-third of Mexican- and Chinese-Americans. I know that until the 1960s we didn't exactly welcome them but since then we've been begging them to join us and giving them preferential treatment. However, I do know many black people both at home in California and here in the Washington region who speak perfect standard American English on the job and then lapse into "black dialect" in the evening. It amuses me that the accent they affect is that of the people who treated them worst: Southerners.

As I've noted before, I predict that the salvation of the "black community" will be the new wave of immigration from Africa and the Caribbean, of people who don't share their history of the Civil War and its aftermath.It is just circumstance, i dont know of any group of people inherently more violent.Then re-read world history. European Christians obliterated two entire civilizations because they were "heathens," to the point of burning the Aztec libraries and melting down the Inca art. Of course war is war but they never went that far when they conquered other Christian peoples. There is no greater "sin" than the destruction of a civilization.

Christianity, like all the Abrahamic religions, reinforces mankind's tribal instincts. It was obsolete before it was even founded because tribalism is the biggest impediment to civilization.It really appears that you just dont care for or have negative opinion of people who are different than you, but thats like 80% of the population.You've read and responded to enough of my posts to know that's not true, so you're getting dangerously close to trolling. The only demographic group of which I have a categorically negative opinion is the people who take Abrahamism seriously. Every few generations, as regular as clockwork, one or another of their cults rises up in mass anger, unchecked and usually even encouraged by their leaders, and erupts into violence of often genocidal proportions against people whose main difference is in their choice of which irrational Stone Age belief system to follow. No other people on earth have consitently behaved this way, over and over again, for hundreds or even thousands of years. My disgust with Christianity, Judaism and Islam is not irrational and it is not prejudice. It is based on empirical observation of the behavior of their followers. I do my best to not be intolerant of individual believers, because most of the time most of them try earnestly to do good, and many of them live entire lives of good work. But I am intolerant of the belief systems because every century or two they seduce all those heretofore good people into committing and encouraging acts of such unspeakable evil that it outweighs their entire history of good deeds. Nothing Muslims or Christians can ever do will atone for the destruction of the Inca, Aztec and Egyptian civilizations. I can't quite lump the Jews into that statement since as a non-evangelical people there have never been enough of them to commit genocide. But judging by what I see in the news, I have no doubt that a world with a billion Jews would be just as frightening as a world with a billion Christians or a billion Muslims.Where do African Americans get these weird names? Are they French? Taniqua, Rayshaan, Taekwando... Where do English speaking people get these names!?Regardless of where they get them, the laugh will be on us. I know several white people with traditional names who are starting out in business, and they are struggling to make themselves findable by Google. Somebody named Hippoqueezza will never have that problem.

G. F. Schleebenhorst
11-02-07, 11:15 AM
Only 8% of them marry white people, compared to one-third of Mexican- and Chinese-Americans.

That's partially because all those black-everyone else marriages are one-sided, especially white-black. It's always black man, white woman. No one wants to marry a black woman, apparently.

Orleander
11-02-07, 11:19 AM
That's partially because all those black-everyone else marriages are one-sided, especially white-black. It's always black man, white woman. No one wants to marry a black woman, apparently.

not even black men.

Fraggle Rocker
11-02-07, 01:12 PM
That's partially because all those black-everyone else marriages are one-sided, especially white-black. It's always black man, white woman. No one wants to marry a black woman, apparently.No, that's not it at all. The racism works the other way.

(This is a generalization but it's especially prevalent in places like the Washington region with a large, relatively affluent black community.) Black women consider it some form of treason to marry outside their community. They rail on each other for even dating white men. If they see a black man dating a white woman they throw a fit because that makes one less black man for them.

Of course, because of the discriminatory way the War on Drugs is prosecuted, a disproportionate percentage of black men have prison records, can't get decent jobs, and are therefore considered "not part of the eligible pool." (The rate of drug use among black and white Americans is virtually identical, but black people who violate the laws are four times as likely to be imprisoned.)

They ran a long series of articles in the Washington Post on "the marriage crisis in the black community." The reporters interviewed a number of black women, and they all said, "What are we supposed to do? We just can't find any black men to marry!"

Can you just imagine the outcry if they'd interviewed a dozen white women who said, "We're going to have to remain single because we just can't find any white men to marry."

Nonetheless, in the D.C. area's huge black community (Washington itself is majority-black) I know several black women with white husbands. It's only a generalization, not universal.