Racial attacks in Australia

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Whats going on in Australia? Why the sudden string of attacks?
     
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  3. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ealand-named-worlds-most-peaceful-nation.html

    As jobs and security disappear with in this worldwide recession, xenophobia necessarily reappears, I believe. This is true no matter where you live. New Zealand and Iceland never had native populations, they were blessed in that context, were they not? Likewise, they aren't, "plagued," with having nearby neighboring countries that are poor with teaming masses that can easily migrate to their shores. Nor do they have ample opportunities abounding in their economies for the unskilled.

    Just a hypothesis. I do not wish to argue or debate it.
     
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  5. otheadp Banned Banned

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    Maybe they're mistaken for Muslim rioters.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Umm, the Maoris? the Norsemen?


    Which has what to do with students getting a higher education?
    Okay, but your hypothesis makes no sense.:shrug:
     
  8. Meursalt Comatose Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, so a few morons in Australia have participated in 12 separate attacks on Indians in the last couple of weeks which are "alleged" to be racially motivated... as reported by a media who just adore sensationalism.

    In response, thousands of uneducated Indians believe every word of it and protest in the streets while burning images of our Prime Minister.

    So far, your uneducated twats appear to be outnumbering ours.
    Whats your point, again?
     
  9. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Sam asked you a question, and it's your opportunity to explain.

    Meursalt: "a few morons in Australia have participated in 12 separate attacks on Indians in the last couple of weeks which are "alleged" to be racially motivated"

    If you think these multiple attacks were not racially motivated, then what do you consider the motive to be? What's wrong down there?

    "So far, your uneducated twats appear to be outnumbering ours."

    Please enlighten us:

    S.A.M. : "Whats going on in Australia? Why the sudden string of attacks? "
     
  10. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    I apologize, my ignorance is appalling, I completely forgot about the Maoris. lol

    However, the Norsemen ARE NOT a native Iceland population. If they are, than that's akin to saying the Spanish that landed in the New World are Native to the New World. Well hell, why not, it's only a difference of 600 years, right? So what if there was someone already living there, what's the difference?

    lol That was what I was getting at. That Norsemen could get away with that, because there WERE NO people already living in Iceland. At the time when they arrived that was EXTREMELY late in human history to not be inhabited already.
    Nothing, but that's completely irrelevant to xenophobes who are without a job and livelihood and feel their nation is being taken over and need a target to lash out at.
    Perhaps to you, but it's really quite common in all societies. When times get rough, the members that are most different in society are the ones that suffer the populations anger disproportionately. It's also a way that fascist and ultra-conservative governments whip up support and unit the people by picking on minority groups and create a sense of hyper-nationalism. Hell, it's how the Republicans stayed in power here for eight years. . . they just kept TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM in the news all the time and around election time. And if things seemed to start to relax? Well, just up the terror alert a little.

    Now? Well, the democrats don't need to do that. . . they have to boogie man of the economy.

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    Everyone has to pull together and not be a road block or else. . . . :bawl:

    I know those fools in Washington would love to deal with immigration policy again, but it is really quite untenable right now. Why? Because your average Joe wants nothing to do with "amnesty" and the NWO boys (the industrialists, free traders, big wall street boys) insist on it. Things would get real nasty if they tried. Tensions are really hot in the States right now for just this reason along the border and in all illegal communities. Natural born citizens want something done. Politicians refuse to do something, because what they want to do is what the powers that be want them to do and what their constituents DON'T want them to do. It is a big cluster f*ck that is in a holding pattern and it's a powder keg waiting to go off.

    Meanwhile, the border states are taking care of things in their own way. And this is starting to tick off Uncle Sam, because it's "supposed" to be the fed's jurisdiction. Yet the feds won't act. Because, like I said, they won't do what the people WANT the feds to do, what the constitution REQUIRES the federal government to do. WHY? Because the federal government is now owned by the same international interests that own all of the European governments, the same interests which built the European Union, are working on creating the North American Union, and have, in the long term, plans to put East Asia into a supra national Union as well. Ooops. . . sorry. Off topic.

    But, um, yeah. Why do people be a hating on people that are different then they are. Economics. When things are rough, they want someone to blame. It's that simple. Who cares who they are, what they do, or where they are from. They are different, they don't belong, it's their fault. I didn't say it was right or that it made sense. People are stupid & illogical when their way of life is threatened. :shrug:
     
  11. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    Whats going on in Australia? Why the sudden string of attacks?


    Everyone wants to be like the US

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  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't realise Indians were seen to be as a threat to jobs. Sri Lankans too?

    Uh, I've lived in the US and travelled over quite a bit of it. While I was shown the occasional door by a stony faced shopkeeper, I don't recall being told to "get off our streets" Far from it.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently the Indian students were angry because when they complained about being targeted, they were ignored


    What do you suppose are the motivations for such attacks?

    Well that seems like a whole more than a few uneducated louts.


    Ah yes, a word about the Indian mentality. They'll take a lot of crap with a great deal of patience, doing all the right stuff with the expectation of results. Then they'll take charge and take over if they don't get any. We're a nation of people who will overlook propriety/law/authority if it gets in the way of getting things done.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1903038,00.html


    We're paying to receive a quality product. And its falling short of expectations:

    Each student is worth about $30,000 aussie dollars annually. Thats a lot of money paid to get stabbed in the head for.
     
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  14. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Some of the attacks (at least the ones in Sydney) were by "Lebanese" Australians. The same people who were in the Sydney riots last year with the Skin heads. Basically there are a lot of Lebanese gangs out west. The first generation of Lebanese worked pretty hard but really encouraged their kids to marry their cousins from Lebanon. You know, because they are good Labanese girls - don't integrate with the Aussie white trash or Black abos. Add to this Aussies made the same HUGE mistake of giving people the dole. So now we have a situation of a bunch of inbred dole-bluggers turning Western Sydney into one huge shithole. IMO.

    Interestingly, the Xian Iraqies I know here have integrated. The Buddhist Chinese are integrated. The Hindu Indians are integrating nicely. The Shinto Japanese are integrated. The Muslim Lebanese are not. They continue to return to Lebanon and marry their first cosins and it's gotten to the point where Australians actually passed an insest law to try and stop it.

    Again, call a spade a spade. These Lebanese are the other side of the same WASP coin, they just don't know it.

    As for why attack Indians. I am sure if I were out that way I'd eventually get knifed. Even Reza says he doesn't feel safe and he used to go out there every week. I wanted to go out there to try some food and he advised against it because the predjudice would be that bad. Better to just go somewhere else. I don't live there now so I don't really know. But, I can say Western Sydney is turning into a shit hole. It's too bad too because Western nations can be a multicultured societies that function very well - but there's some people I just don't think are integrating. We need a new education program.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So the Lebanese are knifing Indians and Sri Lankans and telling them to "get off our streets" since 2004 in different parts of Australia?



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  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    otheadp has been banned for 7 days for racial stereotyping (off-topic, too).

    As this is a third offence, ordinarily the ban would be 14 days, but I'm feeling generous.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think he was stereotyping, it was a legitimate conclusion considering the climate.

    Do you have any thoughts on what is spurring these attacks?

    Its the major news topic here [Mumbai] and shows, students and tourists are cancelling Australia wholesale off their lists.

    Its rather sudden and very surprising.
     
  18. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Good point. There are morons everywhere. They represent no-one.
    Perhaps there should be a new country, Moronia, where they could all go and live.
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It is important to note that in total since the Indian media got onto this story there have been perhaps 5-10 such attacks.

    I think that it is a self-perpetuating thing. Initially, a few louts happened to pick on Indian students, just as they would pick on anybody. Then, the media made a big fuss, claiming that the attacks were racially motivated. Then the Indian students protested. Then the real racists started coming out of the woodwork.

    In short, without the media circus, I suspect the incidence of assaults on Indian students would be no greater than on any other race.

    The motivations for such assaults mostly have nothing to do with racism, but because the perpetrators want money for drugs, or because they are bored, low-life youth of the underclass - the usual kinds of socio-economic factors.

    It's flavour of the month, and blown out of all reasonable proportion.

    Of course, perceptions are important, so the police and government are devoting more resources to tackling this problem now - most likely at the expense of other areas of law enforcement. (Not that I'm saying this is the wrong thing to do.)
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not familiar with Australian society so:

    - is the emerging evidence of cops refusing to lodge formal complaints anything out of the ordinary?

    - was the violence against the students at the protests the usual modus operandi of Australian cops?
     
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    It seemed exaggerated to me, much ado about nothing, is usually what I say.

    These are nothing on the scale of the cronulla attacks, the media comparing them as such is only making it worse.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If an Australian student was stabbed in the head with a screwdriver in India and the police did nothing about it, I doubt it would be seen as nothing by the Australian government. If you get on the facebook people are recounting a string of racial abuses they have faced in Australia and how difficult it is to get assistance from local cops. I had never even heard of curry bashing.

    Challenger, whats your experience with racism in Australia?
     
  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh there is a LOT of racism in Australia. A LOT. I mean a LOT. I used to live in the outback, I'm white, blond, blue eyes, one would figure I'd be fine. Nope. I was a Yank. So I was f8cked.

    I have very close friend who looks Indian. She says she's African. She told me she hates Indians. I asked why? She said because kids called her "Indian" all her life. Hey Indian. So now she hates them. Then she told me one day, she only feel in love with one guy. I askedabout him. Oh, he was Indian. I asked what happened. His family didn't want him dating a black. I thought, WTF, she's whiter skinned then me!?!? And I look like plucked chicken

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    so, anyway, there's a lot of racism in AU.


    I once spent an hour trying to talk sense to this other Aussie about how "Asians" are not filthy. She just hated the way Chinese would cut in line and spit on the floor etc... I said, well you know, if you were in Japan, you'd probably be seen as a bit dirty yourself as they have cleanliness customs you're not familar with and taboos you will break....

    anyway, yeah, that'sa problem in AU.

    combined with religion it's an explosive mix in Western Sydney. A powder keg.
     
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