The RIAA is finally cracking down on the usenet forums. It has amazed me as to why it has taken them so long to do this. They have mainly concentrated on P2P while mostly letting people get away with "murder" on usenet for several years now. Anyone have any ideas as to why they left it alone for so long? The only reason I can think of is that they figured it was "old school" and most wouldn't bother with the hassle of it compared to P2P.

Article?

can easily be googled. RIAA Usenet is all you have to google.

That was an odd response to my question. Why didn't you post an article?
Can I ask where you obtained the information? Is there some sort of "big new thing" happening?


First google result is from august year 2000
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=705229

Second google result is June 2002
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,102081-page,1/article.html

Here is the google result in its entirety
http://www.google.com/search?q=riaa+usenet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

May be he himself is RIAA spy

May be he himself is RIAA spy

I think the spy is technically supposed to infiltrate, observe, and report the findings. Does the spy also have the task of planting misinformation/sabotage/propaganda? I think those are "agents" as opposed to spys.


Hehe---all of a sudden, Mickmeister begins speaking into his watch...
Agent Mick: "The wool is no longer vitreous...I repeat, the wool is no longer vitreous"
Mysterious RIAA man's voice from watch: "The mission is compromised. Execute clean-sweep action....over"
Agent Mick:" "Yes sir"

.....Mick thens pulls a pistol from his pocket, and screws on a silencer.

- Fight between Domesticated om and Mickmeister ensues. The gun is wrestled from Micks hands, both of us end up resorting to karate.

I think the spy is technically supposed to infiltrate, observe, and report the findings. Does the spy also have the task of planting misinformation/sabotage/propaganda? I think those are "agents" as opposed to spys.


Hehe---all of a sudden, Mickmeister begins speaking into his watch...
Agent Mick: "The wool is no longer vitreous...I repeat, the wool is no longer vitreous"
Mysterious RIAA man's voice from watch: "The mission is compromised. Execute clean-sweep action....over"
Agent Mick:" "Yes sir"

.....Mick thens pulls a pistol from his pocket, and screws on a silencer.

- Fight between Domesticated om and Mickmeister ensues. The gun is wrestled from Micks hands, both of us end up resorting to karate.

You must also be a member from IHIQS to know about me and guns?!?!?

I am not an agent for the RIAA, but I am the IT Director for one of the music companies.

can i get a job? i have work ex in j2ee ? ;-)


Thanks
Rick

The RIAA is cracking down on internet radio, not on Usenet. They make them pay 150K annually for rights, retroactive from 2006 January. Will shut down lots of streamlining websites...

http://www.save-internet-radio.com/2007/03/02/save-internet-radio/

I can't wait until the RIAA starts suing itself. I bet it would take awhile before it realized what it was doing.

Silly RIAA.

The RIAA is cracking down on internet radio, not on Usenet. They make them pay 150K annually for rights, retroactive from 2006 January. Will shut down lots of streamlining websites...

http://www.save-internet-radio.com/2007/03/02/save-internet-radio/

Easy solution - don't stream RIAA music.
Independent artists win, broadcasters win, everybody wins. Except RIAA.

My fav is right now Pandora.com

You set up a "radio station" by your fav band and they pick randomly similar artists. This way you find and learn about obscure bands in the style of your favorites....

The RIAA is cracking down on internet radio, not on Usenet. They make them pay 150K annually for rights, retroactive from 2006 January. Will shut down lots of streamlining websites...

http://www.save-internet-radio.com/2007/03/02/save-internet-radio/

***sigh of relief***

Easy solution - don't stream RIAA music.
Independent artists win, broadcasters win, everybody wins. Except RIAA.

Yes, this is what RIAA is helping to do, RIAA is killing traditional media industry. Due to fears of RIAA people will give preferences to free media, so in the future RIAA pay packets will dwindle as the non free media will go.

Market forces will ultimately prevail. The music industry, through the RIAA, is wasting its time and resources on trying to stop piracy and controlling the market rather than finding a way to adapt.

The music industry sucks and modern music (for the most part) sucks. On any CD you buy, there's maybe one or two songs you really want to hear. The rest are garbage. I remember albums put out in the 70's that you literally couldn't get enough of! Every single song was desirable and artists of some albums sold singles of every song.

I hope piracy does bankrupt the music industry, for what will emerge from the ashes will be superior in quality.

Market forces will ultimately prevail. The music industry, through the RIAA, is wasting its time and resources on trying to stop piracy and controlling the market rather than finding a way to adapt.

Indeed, ... I was on a course in London with some colleagues in 2000, and at the end of one day, we were relaxing at the hotel bar, indulging in tech speak, and this guy joins in our conversation. He was working for a record label, presenting some copy protection for .mp3's. He was very proud of his product, and thought it was going to prevent copying.

We didn't buy into his enthusiasm, and said that hackers would find a way to decrypt his efforts, as music player software had to do it in real time, and a hacker could take longer, run cracks in batch, and distrubute DRM free copies at leisure.

Anyway, two weeks later, were are back in London, on ptII of the course, and the instructor for that leg said 'did you hear about that new DRM software for mp3's released a couple of weeks ago? Cracked in four hours after a sample was released on their web site.' we laughed and told him our end of the story.

If record labels stopped trying to control the market, they'd find their ride easier. Make real CD's cheap, and make sure they have quality acts, and people won't rip them off. Make disposable trash with little perceived value, and people won't feel guilty stealing it. Oh, and get their employees actually working, ... performing more live gigs, at smaller venues, for smaller audiences. You can't download being there.

I've been saying it ever since they made a big stink in early-Napster days. Digital downloads would be preferable and the way of the future. The powers that be can embrace it and reduce investment in physical media...focus on methods of online music sales.

The RIAA will quickly find itself unsustainable. Try the magnetbox RIAA radar to search artists and albums made by a recording company that is part of the RIAA - I always use it before considering buying something - if the icon is a big red "WARNING!", then oooh, what a shame.

iTunes revenue is completely towards the RIAA. Steve Jobs has recently expressed frustration in DRM.

I've been following this for quite some time. The RIAA will never back down from it's current position, it will continue prosecuting people that steal music and try to prevent anyone from distrubuting free songs.

You see the RIAA is evil, they always have been, it's only just now that people are realizing paying 10 dollars for 1 song off a CD is a rip off. That's due in part to horney young females that think their favorite band is the "hottest thing" and "in fashion", etc. They use mens money to buy things, and hence the price of CD's.

Anyways I sit here with my feet up realizing one thing, the music industry won't ever, ever give up on it's sales. This area of corporation is based solely on noise exerted from peoples mouths, and they so easily think it's gold. Let me tell you something, take any averagely good singer, put them in a studio, give them some great material, and you'll have a descent release. Singers aren't worth 1 damn anymore, they're losers that shouldn't ever have been paid millions of dollars for speaking. I laugh myself silly thinking about them whining, like Metallica... boo whoo we can't buy our 10,000,000 dollar house, we can only get the 9,000,000 one.

Anyways burn in hell RIAA and artists that sell your music for insane profit, well... burn with them.

I'm going to soooo love the future in like 2050 when music isn't even sold on CD's anymore and all record companies are extinct because kids can put up a website at bestmusic.com and then sell it themselves, yeah... burnnn

I'd pay for CD's if they were £3

I occasionally buy some CD's because I feel guilty, but then I feel like I've been ripped off because I listen to it a few times and decide it's actually pretty shit.

In an ideal world - have some kind of system whereby you can download the full album to sample at a fairly crap bitrate - say, 96kbps. The downloaded files last for 7 days, giving you plenty of time to listen to it. Then if you like it - buy it for £3 and have a decent quality copy with the album artwork, lyrics, etc. I think more should be put into album artwork and cool cd cases - that way they're more desirable.

Like that Tool album with the funky holographic stuff going on. That was almost worth buying just to play with it.

I've never really been into usenet, because my ISP didn't maintain theirs and it was shit. I could download 70% of some files at line speeds and then never get the rest. Not a chance I'd be paying for premium usenet either, although it does look appealing. Torrents are easy to use and proven. And free..!

It is not Usenet but P2P websites that are popular and damaging to recordcompanies.

Unless some obscure artists, I can find anybody's music for free online. I haven't downloaded for quite sometime, because there are just so many new/less known musicians on videosites, so I just listen to them without saving/stealing their music...

A few months ago I ran into a new artist I liked. As an excercise, it took me less than 20 minutes to get his whole new album. Add 5 minutes for burning it...

Piracy is more often than not, more convenient than getting music legally. That's part of the problem.

As you say, Syzygys, you can download an album in minutes. It's there on your computer to listen to. 2 minutes later it's on a cd and your mp3 player. You don't need to rip a CD to get it into a useful format. No signing into sites and filling out information. No payment. It's just a lot easier.

If I went to the shop to buy a CD, I'd have to pay for parking - Say £2 minimum - pay for the petrol to get there - £2 maybe - walk to the shop, find the CD, which in all likelyhood they wouldn't have in stock. Assuming that all went smoothly I'd have the CD in my hands after about 20 minutes and it would have cost me upwards of £14. I'd still need to get home and rip the CD.

The corporations are stupid, whats needed today for making people pay for the music ?

Well, i think they had enough for years paying for the whole album with just one good song. So if they wana sell songs they gota sell customized album.

I select the song i pay 1$ per song and thats it, i wont mind for that. In fact i want the artist to get money so the she can make new good songs.

Its all common sense but then the illuminati is not used to asking the common man what she wants, so pay for it.

Technology simply overstepped the industry, and they have a hard time to figure out how to make money out of it. It is not easy.
It is not easy to write 12 good songs either. So the artists will have a harder time too.

Personally, why would I pay even $1 per song, when I can get it for free? And $1 still too much...

P.S.; For artists, the real money is in touring....

Technology simply overstepped the industry, and they have a hard time to figure out how to make money out of it. It is not easy.
It is not easy to write 12 good songs either. So the artists will have a harder time too.

Personally, why would I pay even $1 per song, when I can get it for free? And $1 still too much...

P.S.; For artists, the real money is in touring....

Very Funny comments,

Fans do crazy things to get a glimpse of their superstar, u seriously think they wont pay ?

I never said 12 songs from one artist. I was talking about the dumb capitalist dictators, they are so used to dictate us that they cant see their own demise. Times have changed.

The lone artist may make money from touring but the mega music distributer can make a fortune by selling legal music online by letting users select the songs they want in single CD. But as we know they are an endangered specie.

I dont mind paying for my CD at my door step. But then they cant charge hefty for the best songs, as they used to charge us before on an entire album. But because of that legacy now they are loosing the profits which can be made on volumes; How stupid of them.

Dont wana respect humans, feeling low for asking what we want ? then Take this RIAA MPAA guys; http://www.google.co.in/search?q=%7B-inurl%3A(htm%7Chtml%7Cphp)+intitle%3A%22index+of%2 2+%2B%22last+modified%22+%2B%22parent+directory%22 +%2Bdescription+%2Bsize+%2B(wma%7Cmp3)+%22DIGG%22

Phlogistician is right in the sense that the Music industry should really look to getting people back out into the venues, since a recorded mp3 or video stream doesn't match actually being at the venue.

The problem however is the amount they charge at venues, even local bands can put silly prices to bar/pub owners for playing and most of those landlords can't afford to put too many on, especially when they are up and coming or little known without a following as they just don't find any profit in it.

A little more advertisement of such bands and some backing from those companies that are too busy chasing shadows on the internet and they might find some new talent and make money all at the same time.

What I dislike about p2p most is the inconsistent and usually bad quality.
If there is an album I like quite much, I usually order it on the Internet.
I also buy cd's from artists who are so rare, that no satisfying rip can be found on the net.

technology history:

When VCRs came out in the 70s, movie companies were affraid that the new technology is going to ruin their business. Then they realized that they can make money out of it, because people like to own and rewatch movies, so everybody got to be happy eventually.

Something similar idea is needed for the music industry today, although as I said, it is not easy. Now that the cost of copying music is practically ZERO, it will take a business genius to come up with some kind of profitsharing model...

And as internetspeed grows, eventually it will reach movies too. You can already download movies, as it gest faster and faster, less people will buy the DVDs....

iTunes should impliment a model of renting videos, that way I could pay like 1 or 2 dollars a movie, download it for a few days, then it would expire :(

I buy all my music online at iTunes, but then I use something to take the music and remove the DRM. It's all kinda complex but the AAC is the music, the mp4 is the DRM, so what they've done is to make a program that copies the AAC after it's decrypted just before reaching your soundcard for processing, then dump it into a new mp4 container without DRM. No quality loss and no DRM :)

I think it's funny, I am very bored with the music industry because they are lazy and don't work. The recording people just sit in chairs and mix noises, they aren't doing anything that is worth much. I dislike paying people that sit all day :P

As for the artists, I don't care much about them. They are banging hot chicks all day, living the high life, so let's drag'm down alittle bit to the real world. And uhmm I feel cold coming on : cuddles :

You don't know any artists personally, don't you?

iTunes should impliment a model of renting videos, that way I could pay like 1 or 2 dollars a movie, download it for a few days, then it would expire :(

Microsoft has already implemented a method for hiring videos via XBOX Live (XBOX 360) in the US. They work on the principle of expiring after 24hrs, however you download and can then watch as many times as you like in that time period. After the expire period I think you can pay again to get the time bumped back up without having to re-download again.

However I don't think it's hit any other countries, mainly due to each country having their own licensing laws for films and of course duties. So it could be a while to see it occur in the rest of the world. Although saying that Microsoft and the BBC have something on the plan, although I'm not entirely sure without doing some searching on the internet.