Quick Question Asking Opinion

to quote myself and i ask of your opinion
"to truly live you must first die"
this i keep as my religious look onto the world
please bless me with your input
~poet

 

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In my opinion it's complete nonsense. It's like saying:

To truly love chocolate ice cream you must first hate it.

 

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Or: "To truly chew gum you must first pull each tooth out with plyers and glue them back in."

 

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Or "To truly reply you must first be banned"

 

That's not a healthy attitude. That's the same outlook martyr's have, and since only the insecure and superstitious believe there is life after death, the humiliation is on them.

 

I think that's quite right, not death as we often know it, but death of our cultural programming and preconceptions in order to be truly free.

 

Well that can be seen in a few ways.

Christians believe that to have eternal life there is a requirement to die unto oneself. That is the death of the old self. That’s why some use the term "born again" It comes from the belief that their old "personality"/ Self has died when they accepted Jesus as Messiah and that they have been reborn in spirit a new person.

It also can be seen literally to truly live one must first die. Eternal life is not this life therefore to enter into eternity with God one must first physically die.

So there is a symbolic death that leads to a better life in this world and a literal death that leads to a better eternal life.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

Quote poet:
"to truly live you must first die"

* What exactly do you mean by this?

 

Do you mean it as a point of reference or as a religious thing? Without Death, one wouldn't appreciate or know Life. Without Evil, one wouldn't know good.

 

Utter nonsense.

 

Why are you wrong about everything?

Yes it is true. After you die, you realize that there is no point in listening to lies or being polite or doing any of the things that society tells you to do. You see right thru all the feces to what is important in life.

Up until the day you die, you are operating under the orders of the brainwashing your elders and schools have inculcated in you.

You won't like it though. Dying hurts bad.

 

Evidence please?

 

Why?

If I only saw living flowers, they would be ok, but after awhile they would mean nothing to me as they would become common. If then death entered the picture and those same beautiful flowers died, yet others continued to live, I would get a much deeper appreciation and understanding of the beautiful flower. I think Death and Life help balance out the universe.

 

There is no evidence to suggest that conciousness persists after death; hence, it wouldn't be possible to think / feel / act after death.

 

looks like we are entering another stagnant period, folks.

 

We could punt it into philosophy to spice it up? You haven't truly lived until your ego dies.

 

he's not you are, moronically wrong.

and how would you know this, have you died and come back, there is no evidence to suggest any part of you exists after death.

the religious maybe, but some of us have broken those chains.

and you know this how. I dare say dying can hurt, but death is painless.

it is you that is asserting, there is something else after death so the onus is on you to prove thats the case.

 

Looking through the glass onion, I would say that death and life compliment each other. Each stands as contrast to the other: Nothingness/Somethingness. If you can kill your self without taking your life, you will find an empty void.

It is my belief that the whole of physical and mental reality is built on a foundation of nothingness.

 

Perhaps, rather than using
"to truly live you must first die"
One can state
"To truly live you must first brush upon death"
Or
"To truly live without regret, one must live as though the body is already dead."
Such thought is similar to some writings in the Hidden Leaves, otherwise known as Hagakure.

I can not appreciate such a quote however from the intent poet, as it more often than not sounds wrong. It also does not show the mindfulness and awarenes that one can attain by brushing upon death or living as if one is already dead, as proscribed by some bushi code.

If however the topic-starter meant a metaphysical or a spiritual death, rather than anything of a true physical death, I doubt that it would be smart. An individual with a crushed spirit such as that, could not entirely live either. Most of those would live in fear and are stuck with their own drama, that they could not be free of it enough to enjoy life to the fullest.

I have also once heard that of a culture long gone, that wise-men were made as they were struck by lightning and die, only to be placed on a high mountain to be struck again and live. Quite a painful task that is, and not at all recommended.

So it is most probable that the intent poet meant something in regards to a bastardization of the words in the Hagakure, askewing it enough that it lost most meaning.

 

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I'd answer that question if I felt it had any merit to it. However, having seen the serious garbage that spews forthwith from your trap, I realise the question is just a waste of time. While you're out there trying to convince the world that masturbation will make you go gay, and lose your eyes and legs, you really have nothing of any worth to say.

After you die you don't realise anything because.. well.. you're dead.

But why would they mean nothing to you?

Why exactly? How does a shrivelled, decayed flower make a difference?