Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283720,00.html)
The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."


All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)
To the gods of war, a sacrifice ! Qanna , kill them all, God will find his own.
Jewish Racist/Zionist fundamentalism, is the key factors of current Israeli apartheid policies and laws , this Rabbicinical statement bears testament to this .
IDF says it may not be responsible for Qana deaths (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744426.html)
The Israel Defense Forces indicated yesterday that it might not have been responsible for the deaths of at least 54 Lebanese, including 37 children , when a building bombed in an Israeli air strike in the village of Qana collapsed yesterday - but was unable to offer an alternative explanation.
Yeah , right , just because the IDF bombed the building doesn't mean the collapse killing 54 human beings had anything to do with Israel , suuuuuure . The 2 events are totally unrelated of course . And you're a filthy anti-Semite if you dare suggest otherwise, as well !

Until and unless the world is ready to stop this Zionist rampage of carnage, the entire Middle East will resemble Qanna .

Save me from Gods chosen people .

this isnt jewish, it is israeli.

i would think you would have learned by now, after a lifetime of bigotry against the jewish people...that israelis and jews are different.
start making the distinction, or start having your posts reported for racism and intolerance.

Zionist, shmionist, what an anachronistic concept. Israelis are fighting for the existence of their nation against an enemy that would hide behind innocents, and who are no doubt cheering the fact that they can use the victims in their propaganda war.

The comfortable west is too busy with their holidays planning and paying their bills to worry about any massacre. Crying out murder is only for those in need and despair whom will never get a chance for civilized justices. Their only possibility for justice will be revenge as the only way, with stones, home made stuff and toothpicks if necessary. Those who have lost everything and every piece of hope may consider taking with him anyone to his anguish and hopelessness.

When talking to Jews, I can tolerate to a certain degree their sense of superiority, their sense of uniqueness and purity in regards to the rest of the world. They play the victim very well, victim from England, from France, and dozens of other nations at deferent stages of human history. But why the hell they don’t understand that for centuries the majority of cultures have expressed dislike for the way their conduct themselves.

They still wonder why they are detested, …. That is really amazing!


We share a great deal of responsibility on they way Israel has been handling Palestinians and their neighbors. We fanatically blocked most of internationally supported resolutions in favor of Israel, we force others, even with military muscle to comply with UN resolutions, while we ignore the many resolutions that Israel ignores. We supply them with weapons at the same time as we request for diplomatic exercise to solve the current situation. We arming them and expect the world communities to respect us simply because we are the supper power. Are we nuts or what?

this isnt jewish, it is israeli.
Could someone explain to this fake Jew , that Rabbi is of the Jewish faith and making Rabbicinical statements such as massacres commited by the IDF is in accordance with Jewish Law is evidence that religious Jews are endorsing Israels policies .
i would think you would have learned by now,
I would of thought , and hoped , after your greener pastures farewell I would not see you again , obviously you have no pride , you came back , you made a complete asshole out of yourself .
after a lifetime of bigotry against the jewish people...
As yet unproven , you lied through your teeth about those accusations , and I am still waiting for your " folders of my jewish hate " expose .
that israelis and jews are different.
No they are not , Israel is the realisation of perceived Jewish prophecy .
start making the distinction, or start having your posts reported for racism and intolerance.
Another one of your failed campaigns , shut up and go away , and dont dictate to me or anyone else how we should post .

Just a note to other sciforum posters regardless of your points of view :
This poster claims to be Jewish , he cant be as his Mother was not Jewish . He also claimed he was a fundamentalist Christian , then a Satanist . He also claims his family is of Turkish origin , then the other day he posts a claim that his family were Russian and were in the siege of Leningrad during WW2 . Then implies on another thraed about England that he has Irish origins . This poster is a mass of contradictions avoid him , he is an Asshole .

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

Yep, whacko extremists on both sides. Too bad everyone just focuses on the Muslims. You know, fair and balanced and all.. :rolleyes:

Yeah , right , just because the IDF bombed the building doesn't mean the collapse killing 54 human beings had anything to do with Israel , suuuuuure

Yeah, I know whatcha mean. The people that died in the collapse of the WTC, it was all their fault, and not the terrorists that drove the airliners into them. See how little sense that makes now? I can't believe the IDF expect people to buy that bullshit of an excuse.

The 2 events are totally unrelated of course . And you're a filthy anti-Semite if you dare suggest otherwise, as well !

Ha, exactly!

this isnt jewish, it is israeli.

Not when the YRC made those statements. It's both.

Religion and government are bad enough by themselves, but when you combine the two, oh boy!

They play the victim very well, victim from England, from France, and dozens of other nations at deferent stages of human history. But why the hell they don’t understand that for centuries the majority of cultures have expressed dislike for the way their conduct themselves.

They still wonder why they are detested, …. That is really amazing!

Yeah, tell me about it. There's a reason why they've been hated throughout all of history. Oh, but it's all our faults.. the rest of the world and history instead of just them, LoL!

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How about the Fact that the building collapsed 6-8 hours after the last Israeli strike in the area, and the fact that gun camera film shows launchers in and firing from the area.

Zionist, shmionist, what an anachronistic concept. Israelis are fighting for the existence of their nation against an enemy that would hide behind innocents, and who are no doubt cheering the fact that they can use the victims in their propaganda war.
Explain to me your stance here , I find it baffling , you said Fuck Allah and told me you were against religion on the Danish cartoon thread , why does this Rabbicinical statement not concern you ? And the only fighting here for survival is Lebanon .
The comfortable west is too busy with their holidays planning and paying their bills to worry about any massacre. Crying out murder is only for those in need and despair whom will never get a chance for civilized justices. Their only possibility for justice will be revenge as the only way, with stones, home made stuff and toothpicks if necessary. Those who have lost everything and every piece of hope may consider taking with him anyone to his anguish and hopelessness.
What seeds are sown today by Israel will come back in a harvest of hate , America will not be there always to protect this Israel . Israel will be the architect of its own downfall .
When talking to Jews, I can tolerate to a certain degree their sense of superiority, their sense of uniqueness and purity in regards to the rest of the world. They play the victim very well, victim from England, from France, and dozens of other nations at deferent stages of human history. But why the hell they don’t understand that for centuries the majority of cultures have expressed dislike for the way their conduct themselves.

They still wonder why they are detested, …. That is really amazing!
Rabbicincal Statements such as was made , justifying under Jewish law murder of non combatant civilians contradicts the Holocaust of innocents in WW2 . Jews are simply converts to the faith , no different to Christians , there are no Jews to speak of , just converts . "Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world."
Albert Einstein, in Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938
We share a great deal of responsibility on they way Israel has been handling Palestinians and their neighbors. We fanatically blocked most of internationally supported resolutions in favor of Israel, we force others, even with military muscle to comply with UN resolutions, while we ignore the many resolutions that Israel ignores. We supply them with weapons at the same time as we request for diplomatic exercise to solve the current situation. We arming them and expect the world communities to respect us simply because we are the supper power. Are we nuts or what?
True words , if the people of the West simply told their goverments NO over Israel this could be stopped , and justice and dignity for Palestinians could be restored .

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Yep, whacko extremists on both sides. Too bad everyone just focuses on the Muslims. You know, fair and balanced and all.. :rolleyes:
Ah yes Moslems dont have the Anti-Semite accusation to throw around .
Yeah, I know whatcha mean. The people that died in the collapse of the WTC, it was all their fault, and not the terrorists that drove the airliners into them. See how little sense that makes now? I can't believe the IDF expect people to buy that bullshit of an excuse.
Purimfest , pre-emptive slaughter of a people on a whim of a perceived threat , thats what Jewish law is , under this concept the Nazi Holocaust which killed 6 million Jews on nazi perception of stopping a Jewish world takeover was in fact legitimate .
How about the Fact that the building collapsed 6-8 hours after the last Israeli strike in the area, and the fact that gun camera film shows launchers in and firing from the area.
Ah , yes , I see our resident conspiracy theorist , has been reading the Jerusalem post , amazing the people spend 8 hours in a severly bombed building just waiting for it to collapse . Look pal , if such a video exists it could be video of any number of areas in Lebanon .

i use a qwerty keyboard my self

Kunax, thank you , you helped me find some information I was looking for, and is from the I.H.L.

It is a basic principle of IHL that persons fighting in armed conflict must, at all times, distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives. The "principle of distinction", as this rule is known, is the cornerstone of IHL. Derived from it are many specific IHL rules aimed at protecting civilians, such as the prohibition of deliberate or direct attacks against civilians and civilian objects, the prohibition of indiscriminate attacks or the use of "human shields". IHL also prohibits hostage taking.

Yes, IHL specifically mentions and in fact prohibits "measures of terrorism" and "acts of terrorism".

Both Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions also prohibit acts aimed at spreading terror among the civilian population...

The Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 33) states that "Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited", while Additional Protocol II (Article 4) prohibits "acts of terrorism" against persons not or no longer taking part in hostilities. The main aim is to emphasize that neither individuals, nor the civilian population may be subject to collective punishments, which, among other things, obviously induce a state of terror.

Both Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions also prohibit acts aimed at spreading terror among the civilian population. "The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited" (AP I, Article 51(2) and AP II, Article 13(2)).

These provisions are a key element of IHL rules governing the conduct of hostilities i.e. the way military operations are carried out. They prohibit acts of violence during armed conflict that do not provide a definite military advantage. It is important to bear in mind that even a lawful attack on military targets can spread fear among civilians. However, these provisions outlaw attacks that specifically aim to terrorize civilians, for example campaigns of shelling or sniping of civilians in urban areas.

What law applies to persons detained in the fight against terrorism?

States have the obligation and right to defend their citizens against terrorist attacks. This may include the arrest and detention of persons suspected of terrorist crimes. However, this must always be done according to a clearly defined national and/or international legal framework

Persons detained in relation to an international armed conflict involving two or more states as part of the fight against terrorism – the case with Afghanistan until the establishment of the new government in June 2002 - are protected by IHL applicable to international armed conflicts.

Captured combatants must be granted prisoner of war status (POW) and may be held until the end of active hostilities in that international armed conflict. POWs cannot be tried for mere participation in hostilities, but may be tried for any war crimes they may have committed. In this case they may be held until any sentence imposed has been served. If the POW status of a prisoner is in doubt the Third Geneva Convention stipulates that a competent tribunal should be established to rule on the issue.

Do you need more of a education on the Geneva Convention?

Explain to me your stance here , I find it baffling , you said Fuck Allah and told me you were against religion on the Danish cartoon thread , why does this Rabbicinical statement not concern you ? And the only fighting here for survival is Lebanon .
I am generally against organized religion. I see the Israeli actions in Lebanon as being strategic and without any particular religious motivation. Many people in Israeli are religious though, and they may be concerned that military actions, even justified ones, are wrong if they result in the death of innocent people. This statement tries to clarify the issue. Personally, I would disagree with their redefinition of international law to remove the label of "innocent" completely in a time of war. However I don't consider the accidental death of civilians in an attack on a military target to be the same as murder.

I'm not familiar with the Yesha Rabbinical Council, but I'm pretty sure they don't speak for the Israeli government.

Judaism has no pope, no Ayatollah, so Jewish law is a matter of consensus. Different rabbis, even different councils of rabbis, disagree on interpretation. Not to mention that the Orthodox sect of Judaism has managed to maintain political control of Israel and so its rabbis get all the ink on religious matters. You're not going to find them very often in a consensus with rabbis of the Conservative and Reform branches, who outnumber them.

Yesterday I read that Hezbollah announced that it has defeated Israel. In the sense that since Israel has not destroyed Hezbollah yet, and Hezbollah continues to be financed and supplied with arms, there's nothing Israel will be able to do in the future to destroy its support and thereby destroy Hezbollah. They can kill all the current fighters in the movement, and thousands more will jump out of the bushes to take over.

It does appear to the Muslim world that Hezbollah has indeed prevailed, since all it has to do to be declared the winner is to prevent Israel from achieving its stated goal, which is to destroy it. It doesn't actually have to destroy Israel or even bomb Tel Aviv. Just survive.

And today we read that Israel has killed a huge number of civilians in a single strike. Yeah yeah yeah, rockets fired from the location blah blah blah. Nobody is going to read that far down into the report. Israel killed 57 civilians who were hiding in a strong building just trying to stay alive. Including a couple of dozen children. Nobody cares about the details, they're horrified. Nobody cares that they're Shiites and the ones who are old enough to understand politics and religion all support Hezbollah. They're non-combatants and they were killed by military action and everybody hates that.

We've learned to sadly expect that from terrorists because terrorists are psychopaths. We hold national armed forces to a higher standard. If Israel has to sink to the level of its enemy in order to win the battle, then they've lost the battle morally by becoming no better than the people they hate.

Even our own government (USA) is having a hard time keeping a straight face over this. They didn't really expect the Israeli attack to become so ugly. And we're their best ally. Imagine what everybody else thinks.

Israel cannot destroy Hezbollah by killing Lebanese civilians. Hezbollah will survive as long as it has the support of Syria and Iran. Israel must cut off that support before Hezbollah can be destroyed. So what are they going to do next, bomb Damascus and Tehran?

If the world is this pissed off about a few hundred dead Lebanese civilians, how will it feel about thousands of dead Syrian and Iranian civilians? I don't think even the desperate people who run Israel are crazy enough to try that.

Is it time to say that England's experiment of building Israel on top of Palestine is a dismal failure? Time to evacuate the whole place and let the Muslims just keep killing each other? Set up a new Jewish homeland in Wyoming, or West Australia, or Saskatchewan, or Siberia and start over?

Heck, let's return the favor and give them England. The Angles and Saxons have only been there for about 1,600 years, and the Normans for less than 1,000; it's not even their historical homeland. :)