It has recently occured to me that most Americans dont know what Punk actually is, they seem to think that Punk are groups like Green Day, (they are brilliant yes but NOT punk) and Green Day even relised a CD with they're best punk songs on it, on it was My Chemical Romance = Helena! but Punk is actually not those bands, some of them are: 1. The Clash 2. MC5 3. The Ramones 4. The Sex Pistols 5. The Stooges 6. Dead Kennedys 7. Fugazi 8. Black Flag 9. The Misfits 10. Bad Brains 11. Minor Threat 12. Joy Division 13. The Buzzcocks 14. Husker Du 15. Bad Religion 16. Minutemen 17. The Damned 18. The Circle Jerks 19. X 20. Television 21. Stiff Little Fingers 22. Patti Smith 23. Green Day (not my opinion) 24. Crass 25. Gang Of Four 26. Generation X 27. Operation Ivy 28. Rites of Spring 29. Adolescents 30. Social Distortion 31. Embrace 32. Richard Hell & the Voidoids 33. The Descendents 34. The Germs 35. The Jam 36. The Adicts 37. At The Drive In 38. Dead Boys 39. X-Ray Spex 40. NOFX 41. Wire 42. Rancid 43. Fear 44. Reagan Youth 45. The Exploited 46. Anti-Nowhere league 47. The Vandals 48. Subhumans 49. The Pogues 50. Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers 51. TSOL 52. Leftover Crack 53. Gorilla Biscuits 54. GBH 55. Anti Flag 56. Sunny Day Real Estate 57. Pennywise 58. Sham 69 59. Agent Orange 60. Conflict 61. Dead Milkmen 62. Discharge 63. 7 Seconds 64. Suicidal Tendencies 65. Against Me! 66. Flogging Molly 67. Chocking Victim 68. Jawbraker 69. Propaghandi 70. Dropkick Murpheys 71. Catch 22 72. U.K. Subs 73. D.O.A. 74. The Vibrators 75. The Unseen 76. Dag Nasty 77. Alkaline Trio 78. Screeching Weasels 79. A.F.I. 80. Guttermouth 81. Suicide Machines 82. Reel Big Fish 83. Strike Anywhere 84. Streetlight Manifesto 85. Refused 86. Rise Against 87. Paint it Black 88. Bouncing Souls 89. Screamers 90. Agnostic Front 91. Kid Dynamite 92. Less Than Jake 93. D.R.I. 94. Link 80 95. Millencolin 96. 999 97. Mustard Plug 98. Bigwig 99. Dance Hall Crashers 100. Tiger Army and punk was started has a way to rebel against 12min songs, which is why green day cannot be punk, agreed they may be POP PUNK!! so why cant the british and the americans agree what punk actually is?
My fav punk bands are Sex Pistols, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Buzzcocks, NOFX, Offspring, Distillers, Les Vieilles Salopes and Patti Smith (she's proto punk, but what the hell).
Joy Division and especially The Jam are/ were not punk. Paul Weller had many arguments with staff at the N.M.E. for classifying his band as punk. Don't worry, lots of people, even at the time, got severely confused over what was punk and what was New Wave. Dance Hall Crashers may well have been punk for their first album, by the time they released their second they'd gone away from punk altogether, more ska - not a bad CD, but nowhere of the quality/ pace of, say, Beverley Kills. Proto punk? New York Dolls Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! All the ethic, but not the clothes.
Music is the most subjective thing in the universe. I have memories, associations, experiences and gigs in my head, and so do you, but other.
As someone who saw the very first Sex Pistols gig outside of London and the 1st Joy Division...or Warsaw Pact I'm something of an authority on the matter. Best entitled New Wave otherwise the likes of Joy Division and even the early NY bands barely make it. My favourites at least live..either the Clash or Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers.
No one heard of SNFU? I thought they were huge in the punk scene(which anything that makes it - is NOT part of - I.E sex pistols is not punk by definition of being huge). the Smalls?
Agreed. And my vivid memories include punk dying - actually, morphing into something else - around the 1980 mark.
SNFU are a Canadian punk rock band who started in 1981, were disbanded between 1989 and 1991, and broke up in 2005. The band originally hailed from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, later relocating to Vancouver. Totalling over twenty years, their career saw them move through various sub-genres of punk rock, including hardcore punk in the early '80s, skate punk in the mid-late '80s, and melodic hardcore in the '90s. The band is distinguished by its sardonic lyrical and visual aesthetics, mostly the product of lead singer Ken Chinn, listed on all SNFU releases as Mr. Chi Pig; aggressive and accomplished dual guitar work by twin brothers Marc "Muc" and Brent "Bunnt" Belke, the latter of whom left in 1998; and an energetic live show (the band was renowned for their live act. Flipside fanzine voted them "Best Live Band" in 1987, beating the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Fugazi, both of whom have frenetic live acts.) While originally an acronym for "Society's No Fucking Use", the meaning of those four letters changed over the years, with the band eventually becoming ambiguous on assigning them a specific reference. The band had an unusual quirk of releasing albums with seven words in the title. Through their career, they've featured seven different bassists and eight different drummers. While guitarist Marc Belke is adament that the band is no more, Chi has said in interviews that "SNFU dies when [he dies,]" and insists that a new lineup will surface. The SNFU MySpace page sides with Belke.
Glad someone got in there with that! Can extend it to a few on that list though really, AFI, Less Than Jake, and Alkaline Trio are only as punk as MCR and(as you rightly pointed out) Greenday; so really about as punk as a sleeping kitty in a basket with a ribbon round its neck whilst cuddling a chaffinch and a mouse. I'll agree on Anti-Flag and most of the others though.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
These I have heard of. These I could name a song. Wanna talk about Conway Twitty and Porter Wagner? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Y'know, I was sickened when a friend asked me to make her an "archive" (wink-wink) copy of Gwen Stefani's Love. Angel. Music. Baby. The sickness turned to outright horror when CDDB came back with the classification "Punk". I hold Ms. Stefani personally responsible for that offense.
What about iggy? Punk started in America, i think with iggy pop and songls like search and destroy, not to mention that i read sid viscous stole a lot from him. I like the clash but i think they killed it, punk was not meant to be political. There are many on your list i dont know about but punk died in 1978 or so.
I disagree, it started in the US (CBGB), but it was brought to the form we all know and refined in the UK by Sex Pistols, etc.
With the idea of punk rockers now a day you think of tall spiked hair, leather accessories with metal spikes and those little converse shoes; but where did it all originate from? Where did the whole punk rock scene start and when did it change from the youth's political view and standing point on music's mass commercialism to a fashion and music trend that is now socially acceptable? Taking a step back into the 1970's is a good starting point. In the early to mid Seventies, punk rock music had blown up in Britain and on the east coast of the United States. With the most popular bands back then, and few still today, the Sex Pistols, The Clash. ----------------------- i think actually it started in both countries and it all depends who you talk to.
No Jabbers or scumfucs huh? Social Distortion strikes me more along the lines of rockabilly than punk. Green Day should be totally removed from that list. The pogues are punk? Fugazi is punk? Fugazi is indy rock
