As a result of the (rather limited) response to the thread regarding how the poll should
be set up, multiple choices will be allowed, and a choice for "None Of The Above" is included.

Vote SkinWalker

He is offically endorsed by Porfiry (AKA "sciforum god")
SkinWalker is now officially endorsed by the administration.
because if SkinWalker becomes mod, Crazymikey promises to leave sciforums forever!!!

What I'm looking for:
1. Someone who goes to pseudoscience a lot
2. A skeptic that will continue questioning the delusional with “what is your evidence?” questions and also present theories based of the evidence presented that runs in accordance with occum’s razor.

Of these only SkinWalker and Persol fits the qualifications, and Persol droped out of the race. All the rest don’t post enough in psuedoscience; look for your selves by doing a seach for all their posts. Stryderunknown is not only not qualified but also is already a moderator and I don’t like re-electing a moderator, fresh blood is needed!

So in conclusion:
Vote SkinWalker

If SkinWalker wins this election, you might as well just close down the section.

VRob,

SkinWalker isn't going to close you people don't, the threads will still be open as long as things haven’t got abusive or repetitive, its just SkinWalker will do a good job disproving you.

What makes you think Stryderunknown will be more open to your delusions(if you think that)? He just won’t be around that much so basically there won’t be much of a change in that forum, I think that’s what you’re basically looking for.

You can think whatever you want fetus.

I'm stating my opinion based on my previous discussions with each candidate.

Stryder has usually been open to different ideas, and doesn't resort to attacking the subject or the individual.

Skinwalker has a clear agenda. If it can't be proven by todays science. It simply doesn't exist.

Seems the Dirt's already been flung by WellCookedFetus although I should state,
"Easy there fella, this isn't politics you know!"

I would question how he meant "Qualified", Pseudoscience needs someone to maintain some form of stability between both of the groups at each end of the Pseudoscience scale.

Vying for either end of the scale doesn't maintain a harmonious, balanced equillibrium that a good forum does make.

I could strive to gain votes by rallying support from peers that I feel would support me, but I'm hoping if they come across this thread they will do that anyway.
(Even out of fair play, I voted for none of the above, so as not to bolster my votes)

With that out the way, back to your election (Remember it's your election, you choose, nothing I say or any of the others effects that. VOTE!)

That not Skinwalker agenda! His agenda not that if it can't be prevent it doesn't exits its that if it can't be proven then most rational theory for it is the most likely answer. To prove a UFO was flown by aliens is going to take more then a sighting that could have been mistaken for venus.

Stryderunknown,

You are already a moderator! Why moderate another forum? Does its seem fair to you that only moderators get elected for moderator positions?

That not Skinwalker agenda! His agenda not that if it can't be prevent it doesn't exits its that if it can't be proven then most rational theory for it is the most likely answer.

After translation to English,

Occums razor is a crutch for the ignorant. If it can't be proven one way or the other, why must a conclusion be made at all? :rolleyes:

Why not further research?

VRob,

Further research is always needed, as science can never proved anything only attributed evidence to it. Occum’s razor simple states that the simplest hypothesis is most likely, and that other more complex hypotheses need more evidence. For example to prove a ufo was flown by aliens over that of it just being a sighting of venus, you need evidence that it flow around, that aliens came out and declare they flew the thing, ect.

Also this is not the thread or sub-forum to discuses this on.

Fetus, Occum's Razor does not state the simplest hypothesis is most likely. Read up
on it.

Vote for me guys :)


Seriously :mad: :threatening throat cutting motion: :mad:

sorry 2inquisitive thats what it roughly translates to, my I ask what you find it you mean?

With Persol up there I vote for him as well, so multi-choice was a good idea :D

How did Stryder's count go from 5 to 4?

Ok, I haven't voted yet. My concern is two fold.

First I don't want people to be able top keep posting infromation which they have no support for except for very qeustionable sources.

Second, I don't want someone who will delete a post just because it 'looks' stupid. There should be ample room for someone to answer a question... with their posts only being dealt with if they show no attempt to answer.

Who agrees, and who would do that if they were a mod?

And who decides what sources are credible Persol?

IMO, we might as well nominate Q and close down the Pseudoscience section.

pseudoscience is not about place where kooks rule, its about a place were kooks chant their delusions and we correct them. :D

Actually, Pseudoscience is exactly the place for clains with no credible evidence.
At the same time, posts of that nature should have to endure the questioning of others.

goofyfish,

that sounds about right to me. :D

So we need a moderator that will allow the kooks their existence and allow them to chant their crap, but at the same time question them and their beliefs with reason and logic. A moderator the will only put its foot down when people get abusive, violent or non-contributing and also when a thread has gone in cycles for 20 pages, etc.

for that to happen we need a "full-time" moderator for pseudoscience, Stryderunknown who already has a sub-forum to moderate could not possible devote as much time to psuedoscience as SkinWalker or Persol.

Yeah, that does sound right saying 'I believe in ET because my friend saw a UFO' is different then 'there is a masssive conspiracy to hide the existance of UFOs, and I have evidence... but won't provide it'. The first is IMHO fine. The second completely lacks credibility or anything to actually talk about.

When somebody decides to make a claim that they 'know' something, but then are unable to actually carry the discussion to the next step, there is a problem. Disengaging from the questions asked and spamming with totally unrelated 'evidence' that a problem exists.

Like I said before, stupid questions are to be expected. Attempts at answers are also to be expected.

Moderation of a forum like this isn't about pushing one's agenda over another. It's about ensuring that the rules of the forum are followed. If I were to moderate the Pseudoscience forum, the only moderation I could see myself doing based on what I've seen to date is editing some ad hominem remarks (and *only* those remarks), deleting occasional spam, splitting threads that go off on legitimate (but off topic) directions, and locking of threads where flame wars erupt.

The latter, I admit, seems rare, but I've seen it occur. The only other thing I might do as a moderator is merge similar threads or vanquish non-pseudoscience related threads to another forum.

As much as I've disagreed with posters like crazymikey, Norval, et al (even Vrob on occasion), I wouldn't use moderator ability to suppress or oppress their point of view. I'd use what I always have... my own intellect ;)

Whoever becomes the moderator of the pseudoscience forum needs to keep that into consideration.

I'm not going to advertise other forum sites, but if anyone is interested in my moderation ability or level of active moderation, I can give them a link to another forum where I am the current moderator. Just PM me and I'll oblige. The demographic is a bit different, than here, but I'm familiar with vBulletin mod commands and have a track-record.

Skinny's won my vote. I for one probably would end up deleting crazymikey's and Norval's posts... or at the very least merging all their threads. It wouldn't be because of thier opinion (which others have had and supported nicely) but thier complete lack of logic and discussional ability.

But I suppose the only way to teach them is to rip them to shreads everytime they give a poor response...

(Stryder, I'd also vote for you... but like WCF said you already have two forums which you do a good job of moderating. Let's spread the love;) )

Hey guys, if it was a one horse race would the race be worth running?

Well this isn't a competition. The goal isn't winning, but getting a good moderator. Plus, if you want a race you and skinwalker are almost neck and neck:)

I voted for Persol, because the "other forums" SkinWalker is talking about are a lot of fun, and would be at a loss to lose even a bit of his time there. =)

You greedy SOB =)

Persol, my previous posts was Rhetorical, it wasn't suggesting it was an actual race, but its to suggest that being a fair Moderator could be tough for some, and if it was made too easy then the wrong type of moderator would be enplaced.

Although I do think the constant vibe of "you're already a mod" is really a sleeze tactic, have you looked at the mod listings on the forum previously? (Case rests)

Stryderunknown,

Have you seen a government official that holds two popular elected positions at the same time!?!?

And I was against CC election in politics/events sub-forum. It’s simply not fair to the rest of us that could also be good moderators to loss out on people that already hold moderating positions on this forum.

and if it was made too easy then the wrong type of moderator would be enplacedAll we can do is trust that they'll stick to thier word. I know that I dislike poor arguments way too much, and wouldn't be able to moderate it the way it should... hence my vote for skin.

As for "you're already a mod", it isn't meant to be sleazy. If it was possible I'd probably like goofyfish to moderate the whole forum... but then he wouldn't be much of a good mod anymore. I think having a mod focused on a particluar subject is a good thing.

If it was possible I'd probably like goofyfish to moderate the whole forum... Damn... what did I ever do to piss you off?? ;)

:m: Peace.

I hate you guys ...

Then how do you think Votorx feels?

So we need a moderator that will allow the kooks their existence and allow them to chant their crap, but at the same time question them and their beliefs with reason and logic.

We need a moderator that won't tolerate juvenille attacks such as this poster commonly uses.

I've also seen Persol and Skinwalker use similar tactics.

Seriously people. What's the point in even having a pseudoscience section if you're going to put one of the well-known debunkers as its landlord?

That's almost as bad as putting Condon in charge of a Government funded research into the subject of UFO's.

probably irritated that I dr lou natic have so few votes.

What's the point in even having a pseudoscience section if you're going to put one of the well-known debunkers as its landlord?I could just as easily ask what the point of posting in a science forum is if you don't actually have any plan to discuss science... and the discussion of pseudoscience consists of claims which you can't explain.
(I can't think of anything you've posted... the 'you' is a general term in the above)

The point is that debunking is fine, and what should be expected on a science forum. If you can't explain you're ideas, then perhaps you shouldn't be so sure they are right.

I could just as easily ask what the point of posting in a science forum is if you don't actually have any plan to discuss science... and the discussion of pseudoscience consists of claims which you can't explain.
(I can't think of anything you've posted... the 'you' is a general term in the above)

What???

So if it can't be explained, we shouldn't bother even discussing it?? :bugeye:

You've pretty much just confirmed my last post Persol.

The point is that debunking is fine, and what should be expected on a science forum. If you can't explain you're ideas, then perhaps you shouldn't be so sure they are right.

WRONG! Debunking is having a preconceived conclusion and attacking and ridiculing anything that goes against that conclusion. I think what you're trying to say is 'Skepticism' is fine. Which I agree with. However, I've seen far more debunking(by you, & Skinwalker), than skepticism.

today, may 6 , i see stryderunknown with 8 votes, including my own.

just recording it , in case of 'anything' you know

VRob,

let me explain this to you again: psuedoscience exist for you the state your beliefs... and us debunkers to debunk them, period :D Hence a moderator that is also a follower of logic and reason is a good thing.

Mr. Merriam and Mr. Webster are unanimously against your definition of debunking (http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=debunking&x=20&y=10), VRob.

just recording it , in case of 'anything' you know

The moderators can check to make sure that nothing goes screwy.

So if it can't be explained, we shouldn't bother even discussing it??If you can't even attempt to explain it, what is there to discuss?
WRONG! Debunking is having a preconceived conclusion and attacking and ridiculing anything that goes against that conclusion.Well no, debunking is attacking ideas that have no basis. Showing that the ideas have a basis goes a long way to not being debunked.
I think what you're trying to say is 'Skepticism' is fine. No. I meant what I said. Debunking may be a side-effect of skepticism... but that doesn't make 'bad'. In fact, a good supportable idea can't be debunked anyhow.

Hell, there have been plenty of times that I've disagreed with actual scientist on this board... and sometimes I'm wrong. Well you know what, good. If I knew everything there wouldn't be much point in being here. The threads we are 'attacking and ridiculing', as you put it, contain no thought and are unable to demonstrate the value in the belief which is posted. Worse off are threads which explicitly state that they contain evidence or proof... and then consist only of cut-and-paste from crackpot sites.

Nothing is to be gained from those threads and that is best pointed out so that less and less of them pop up. If you feel your threads shouldn't actually contain any real content then I suggest you post it as fiction... and don't try and pass it off as fact. If you feel that your claim can't be debunked, then explain why. Otherwise stop complaining when we point out the flaws.

LOL good one Rappaccini, I think your broke his balls there! http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/nutkick.gif

By the way where did you, VRob and zonabi, get the idea that stryderunknown would be a better moderator for you guys?

I can remember an occasion where stryder was the one making a false claim about holographic technology... although I suspect he'd still deny it is false... it was (as far as I can tell) an isolated event.

Websters Definition: "To expose the Sham or Falseness"

Well, when something HASN'T been proven, or disproven, how can its falseness be exposed??

Oh, that's right, we can't travel at the necessary speeds, so it simply can't be done. :bugeye:

No, in the context of this subject, dubunking is having a preconceived idea, and doing anything you can to discredit the subject. If you don't know this, then you don't know much about the subject.

Oh, that's right, we can't travel at the necessary speeds, so it simply can't be done.I wonder if you actually read the threads. It's not sying that it can't be done, but that you have no reason to assume that it can be done.

Have a look around pseudoscience and parapsy. There are plenty of threads which nobody tries to debunk. Do you know why? They:
a) have a point/topic
b) don't make unfounded assumptions
c) actually DISCUSS the topic

Perhaps... just perhaps... you need to consider what it is you want to say, and if it is actually supported. If not, so say. Don't pretend like you have 'the answer' when you obviously don't.

Only two people voted for me including me. Tis sad indeed. Vote for me...come on....come onnnnnn....Comeeeeeee Onnnnnnnnnnn huh..huh..

Come on sarge... you have to do better than begging:)

VRob,
your a sham, we debunk you, end of discusion.

To bad I can’t use a second name to vote, luckily I have moral values… http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/angel3.gif
its called being afraid of the mods/adms wrath.

Perhaps... just perhaps... you need to consider what it is you want to say, and if it is actually supported. If not, so say. Don't pretend like you have 'the answer' when you obviously don't.

Another preconceived notion.

I have never claimed to have any answers. Only questions.

I joined this site around the turn of the year, and initially the pseudoscience area was a well spoken place to discuss ideas and topics. Over the past few months, it has turned into a cespool. Sure there are plenty of topics that have no basis in fact, and offer little evidence. I generally stay away from them. However, there have been many credible topics brought up that have been attacked and ridiculed with as poor a logic as the far-out topics.

Topics such as the Belgian case. Bentwaters, Credible Witnesses who wish to speak to congress, Pilot reports, NASA sighting(Not the rocks!), and yes, even Roswell.

The debunkers on this board will go to any length to discredit and mock any subject that goes against their preconceived beliefs. For this reason, I haven't visited this site very often lately. Why am I hear now? I don't know. Maybe to try and save it from the absolute doom that would occur if one of you well-known, admitted Debunkers was to take over.

Come on sarge... you have to do better than begging:)


Like? God knows I am not going to PM people to ask for their vote, nor am I going to discuss my moderating goals in detail because well...it is commen sense. There are no scerets or horribly complex ways to moderate a forum filled with curious and enthusiastic people who simply need to be told better.

Yeah I don't post there but geez I really don't feel like responding to the same question 30 different times dressed up in 30 different ways. It gets old fast you know. I suppose I could be there to simply amuse myself from the absurdity of others but I'd like to think the moderators here expect us to moderate ourselves and reflect upon our own behavior.

So vote for me....come onnnnnn....come onnnn huh huh...come onnnn. :cool:

Well of the above I have only pointed out problems with a few:
Credible Witnesses who wish to speak to congress - however the site doing this hasn't removed information which has been demonstrated to be false, which doesn't give me much confidence in it. Furthermore, we don't actually have a list of 'credible witness'... let alone the 'top brass' that were promised in the thread. Hacking in to the site one discovers that the list is far less impressive then it is made out to be.
Pilot reports - This and 'radar sightings' have been beaten to death. There are some situations where pilots have witnessed things truely unique. Unfortunately nobody has recently posted about any of these. Moreover the recent posts assume that the pilots are completely infallible and are good judges of speed/distance. Both the pilot and the radar sightings involve this speed/distance problem.
NASA sighting - Luckily we only have one rock kook;) I'm not sure what other nasa sightings you mean
Roswell - another one which has been beat into the ground. The story given by the ETI proponents is internally inconstistent, doesn't follow any form of logic, and refuses to give the 'proof' which people claim to have.
credible topics brought up that have been attacked and ridiculed with as poor a logic as the far-out topicsWell here's the deal. If you see poor logic, POINT IT OUT. The threads listed above simply resorted to ignoring and trying to post over and over.

I joined this site around the turn of the year, and initially the pseudoscience area was a well spoken place to discuss ideas and topics. Over the past few months, it has turned into a cespool.

So there is a god! Order has been brought to the world, be it this very very small virtual part of it that is.

lets talk about preconceived beliefs: VRob why do you come here?, oh ya to spout of stuff about how aliens are visiting regularly, and then put down anyone that disagrees with you, that sound like you have some preconceived beliefs!

Fetus,

The collabortating evidence is convincing enough that there is something being concealed. Unless you're aware of this 'collaborating evidence', I wouldn't expect you to understand.

convincing enough to you. Now if you forgive me I need sleep, I got a appointment tonight to have aliens shove thing up my butt.

by VRob:
"However, there have been many credible topics brought up that have been attacked and ridiculed with as poor a logic as the far-out topics."
================================================== =======

by Persol:
"Well here's the deal. If you see poor logic, POINT IT OUT."
================================================== ==========

by Fetus:
" Now if you forgive me I need sleep, I got a appointment tonight to have aliens shove thing up my butt."
================================================== ======

ANYTHING to do with UFOs or UAPs is often treated with such ridicule, by several
members who call themselves skeptics. True skepticism is one thing, ridicule and name
calling is something else. If one professes a willingness to be open to the POSSIBILITY
of UFOs representing something other than planes, baloons, planets or clouds, they
are often insulted by being called 'UFO nutters', uneducated and ignorant. That is a
problem.

I'd use what I always have... my own intellect

Riiight.

Goofyfish, this poll is completely wrong, you might as well have had Q and fluid in the list. No one wanted Votorx, Persol, Skinwalker to be the moderator.

I can't believe you would even put them in the list, they are the most fanatical of all skeptics. Skinwalker has said UFO/ETI is bullshit, and so is research of it. Votorx, has insulted us all as gullible fanatics because we believe in aliens, and Persol, has the brain capacity of a turkey.

I think you have insulted the really deserving people like: Stryderunknown and Sargentlard, by putting these clowns alongside them. This poll should be closed. It's horribly biassed, and damn right stupid.

probably irritated that I dr lou natic have so few votes.


You can count on my vote.

I think you have insulted the really deserving people like: Stryderunknown and Sargentlard, by putting these clowns alongside them. This poll should be closed. It's horribly biassed, and damn right stupid.

Democracy is "damn right stupid"? Crazymikey, I was absolutely thrilled when you promised to leave this forum, but now my heart sinks everytime I still see you around.

Another preconceived notion.

I have never claimed to have any answers. Only questions.

I joined this site around the turn of the year, and initially the pseudoscience area was a well spoken place to discuss ideas and topics. Over the past few months, it has turned into a cespool. Sure there are plenty of topics that have no basis in fact, and offer little evidence. I generally stay away from them. However, there have been many credible topics brought up that have been attacked and ridiculed with as poor a logic as the far-out topics.

Topics such as the Belgian case. Bentwaters, Credible Witnesses who wish to speak to congress, Pilot reports, NASA sighting(Not the rocks!), and yes, even Roswell.

The debunkers on this board will go to any length to discredit and mock any subject that goes against their preconceived beliefs. For this reason, I haven't visited this site very often lately. Why am I hear now? I don't know. Maybe to try and save it from the absolute doom that would occur if one of you well-known, admitted Debunkers was to take over.

why aren't you running? i want to vote for you!

No one wanted Votorx, Persol, Skinwalker to be the moderator.

Well, to date, at least 7 people (okay... 6 not counting me) did :)

Skinwalker has said UFO/ETI is bullshit, and so is research of it.

I did make a comment about the former but in another context. Also, I've supported the idea of researching UFO/ETI as long as strict scientific methodologies are utilized. I even gave praise to the Hesseldeen Project in Norway for it's efforts.

Regardless, my personal opinion about UFO/ETI would have little to do with my decisions in moderating. In my opinion, they're two separate entities and I have no problem disagreeing with someone I don't edit/moderate and agreeing with someone whom I do edit or moderate a post of. To be honest, I'd have moderated more of Q's and Persol's posts than your own, though there were some clear moments in which I would have moderated yours as well. Hell, I'd have moderated my own on a few occasions.

Don't get all bent out of shape if a "skeptic" gets the job... it doesn't mean that they'll delete all your posts.

Skinwalker,

You sound like a politician trying to deceive people into voting for you. However, you have undone your credibility already. You are quite shameless in promoting yourself; you have pompously bragged about how many votes you got thus far, irrespective, that most of them are from the same band of trolls that degrade the discussion quality of the pseudoscience forum, including yourself.

You have already voiced how you would moderate the pseudoscience forums, by asking for deleting and closing of threads that do not accord with your "scientific" method. You asked for the closing and deleting of "Proof for ETI" which has been by far the best thread the psuedoscience forum has ever had, with tons of information and arguments and activity, which sadly have been degraded with endless ad hom attacks by yourself and the other trolls.

You have outright called the research of Aliens and UFO's bullshit, and its proponents fanatics and cultists, even to the extent of openly condemning the whole area as bullshit.

So how are you objective and impartial, as you are so desperately trying to show people here? In fact you are the most fanatical of people discussing this subject.

And your warped notions of, everything should be discussed by the scientific method? The forum is called "pseudoscience" it was made to discuss matters that do not conform with the accepted scientific methods.

It is highly insulting to all members that discuss in psuedoscience, as well as people like syryderunknown and sargentlard, who are the only members on that list, that have demonstrated objectivity, tolerance for others views, and maturity, for people like skinwalker, persol, votorx to mentioned on that poll.

It is also highly unfair and ridiculous, that these people have been singled out to moderate the forums, when they are exactly those people who are causing trouble in those forum.

This poll is nothing more than a popularity contest, with incredibly biassed selections by a biassed modreator(who did not choose phologistician, because phlo complained about him) and with all trouble makers voting for each other and possibly with multiple accounts. You might as well just choose the moderator you want like the dictatorship that this forum is.

Why is it that so many of the people in charge here, are prejudiced, immature, black-hearted, or enjoy attacking others or acting like gods? How is this an open-government, when you just do what you want too. It basically boils down to this: If you're in the mods and admin's good books, you're fine, otherwise you're not. A total hoax of a forum.

The terms here, are near identical to what the Nazi's did to the Jews, and I am not even exaggerating.

1. All the crackpots and pseudoscientists or basically anyone that does not conform with our methods of "science" should be insulted, because they are sub-scientists anyway.

- NAZI: All jews should be treated sub-human, because they are jews.

2. All crackpots and psuedoscientists should be condemened to there own crackpot forum. They are not allowed to discuss anywhere else, because they are sub-scientists

- NAZI: All jews should be placed in their own city, and the city bordered up, so they can't talk to humans. Let them perish there.

3. All crackpots and psuedoscientists should be condemened, and their posts deleted, unless they conform with our scientific methods.

- NAZI: All jews are sub-human, so we can treat them like the shit they are.

This is what is happening at this forum. All we "crackpots"(jews) want, is to discuss matters beyond current accepted science, and that is exactly what the forum was created for, so we are only asking for what the forum's been made for. Yet, you(NAZI) won't even let us have that. Unlike the jews, there are hundreds of places on the web us do to what want too, so it's you who are going to lose. If you treat us like this, the people who liven up your forums, we are just going to go elsewhere, and already many people have left or have cut down posting here, that also includes prospective members, who just see the forum and and leave.

If you want a good forum, you do good things. You are the ones losing in the end.

Lol one vote for me, maybe I don't post enough on there. Oh well I accept my defeat.

This poll is nothing more than a popularity contest, with incredibly biassed selections by a biassed modreator(who did not choose phologistician, because phlo complained about him)He was not entered in the poll because he chose not to nominate himself.
If you want a good forum, you do good things. You are the ones losing in the end.Let us hope we lose you.

I would prefer that they be no moderator in Pseudoscience, but hey what the hell? Or if there was a moderator, he not be a bloody skeptic.

When does the voting close? When Skinwalker gets enough votes to overtake Stryder?

If you were slightly more aware of the real world, you would see when the poll closes.

crazymikey,

Do you know what a red harring and a straw man is?

VRob,

READ!!! right at top of the poll:
This poll will close on 05-20-04 at 04:32 PM
By the way why do you want Stryderunknown as your moderator? I have a idea on this and I think goofishy might agree but your soooo blind to reality that you think Stryderunknown is a delusion kook just like you.

It's what you use to cut down the mightest tree in the forest?

:m: Peace.

By the way why do you want Stryderunknown as your moderator?

Because he is a true skeptic.

The rest of the candidates that I'm familiar with(Persol, skinwalker) are nothing more than Debunkers who's only reason to even participate in the conversations are to ridicule and attack. Stryderunknown has my respect for this.

Skeptic?!?! have you read some of his threads in psuedoscience??? the mans a chain jerker, he likes to make jokes threads on your sub-forum. I can't think of a better why to make fun of you people!
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=7939
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=10712
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=10710

Stryderunknown is a skeptic FYI.

I support him, because he is objective, honest, mature and tolerant of others views, and It does not affect me in any way, shape or form, that he disagreed with my convictions. He has demonstrated every quality a good moderator should have.

It is highly insulting to everyone, to even consider the others(exception: sargentlard) for moderators, when they are the biggest trouble makers(exception: Dr Lou Natic)

If you have any goodwill, close this thread, and choose canditates that do not make a joke of the forum as a whole:

2inquisitive

Vrob

Sargentlard = skeptic

Stryderunknown = skeptic

Lemming3k = skeptic

Me (optional, but I've moderated three other forums before, and done a good job, if I say so myself. I also am sensible)

The above are the real members who are suitable for being moderators.

skeptic???

seriously with quotes like this:
Well alot of people seem to believe that there is an extra planet in our solar system, although I tend to think it's either a Rogue moon or the "DeathStar" with Darth and his minions coming to enslave us as stormtroopers...

did you people even read those links?

The problem with your pitiful accusations, Mikey, is that there was a thread created for self-nominations. Those that stepped up are included in the poll. The votes are being cast by members, and reflects what they will want to see happen in the forum. If they want to see it reigned in, that will be reflected in the outcome. There is no bias in the poll - there is a list of names with no slanting commentary. There is even an option to choose no one. It obvious that not everyone feels as you do, despite your feeble attempts to impose your will on the majority.

If it turns out that SciForums is not the place for you, you'll just have to deal with it. If not, the Web is a huge domain, and you are sure to find a more hospitable climate for your views elsewhere.

:m: Peace.

WellCookedFetus,
Although that particular post was for a bit of fun, it didn't cause harm or concern at the time. In fact it's post could was hardly a large one, in fact you are right it should of got moved to the Scfi forum.

Another small point Wellcooked, Just how old are those posts?
Alot of time has passed since then.

sorry about their age they are the first to come up of the search. When it comes down to it my only beef with you is that your already a moderator, you never answered me about if you think its fair?

Isn't it fair if the members vote it so?

not if members arn't thinking of is already existing status as moderator.

Well, it would still be fair, just undesireable because of the way we uninformed Americans vote.

;) Peace.

not if members arn't thinking of is already existing status as moderator.

? :rolleyes:

you have pompously bragged about how many votes you got thus far,

Heyyyy.... I included a smiley, so it wasn't that pompous. :cool:

irrespective, that most of them are from the same band of trolls that degrade the discussion quality of the pseudoscience forum, including yourself.

Again, you delude yourself that the pseudoscience section of a Science Forum is a place to embrace psuedoscience rather than discuss it. I believe it is the later. But that belief would not cause me to randomly delete threads that I felt to be "off topic." I would oppose such with words and counter-posts.

You have already voiced how you would moderate the pseudoscience forums, by asking for deleting and closing of threads that do not accord with your "scientific" method. You asked for the closing and deleting of "Proof for ETI"

You couldn't be more incorrect. I voiced my agreeance that the thread in question had fulfilled its purpose and had degenerated to ad hominem posts, many from yourself. I agreed that it should be closed, but I never suggested deletion. Indeed, I would never close or delete threads simply becuase I found them in violation of the scientific method.

which sadly have been degraded with endless ad hom attacks by yourself and the other trolls.

It should be noted that your ad hominem count far exceeds my own, particularly in that very thread. In fact, I don't recall a specific ad hominem from myself, though it is possible. If so, point it out and I'll offer public apology.

So how are you objective and impartial, as you are so desperately trying to show people here? In fact you are the most fanatical of people discussing this subject.

And I think you label anyone capable of providing logical arguments to your wild speculations (that you cite as "proofs") that you are unable to defeat with counter-logic as "fanatical." Anyone that consistently disagrees with you is a "fanatic."

And your warped notions of, everything should be discussed by the scientific method? The forum is called "pseudoscience" it was made to discuss matters that do not conform with the accepted scientific methods.

Logic dictates that a pseudoscience section in a "Science Forums" has the purpose of giving its members a venue to discuss and expose pseudoscience but not embrace it. There are PLENTY of sites on the internet where such peer acceptance can be found and the skeptic will be the distinct minority. On those sites the "skeptic" is truly the troll, looking and expecting to find disagreement wih his/her position or responses to the nonsense he/she reads. On Sciforums, the "woowoo" is the troll, as the situation is reversed. I contend that most woowoos come to a "science" forum to discuss their "alternative" ideas and speculations simply so they can refine them for the grander acceptance among their woowoo friends at other locations on the net. That is merely a hypothesis however, and certainly an untested one... not a theory.

It is also highly unfair and ridiculous, that these people have been singled out to moderate the forums, when they are exactly those people who are causing trouble in those forum.

And I say we are Porfiry's army, here to reclaim his lost territory from the woowoos for the good of the sciforums - an intelligent community that does not suscribe to fantastic speculation! But fair? Hey, we nominated ourselves... I didn't see any of your little fan club stepping up.

The terms here, are near identical to what the Nazi's did to the Jews, and I am not even exaggerating.

I think this is a relevant thread: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35711

Thanks to VRob and Crazymikey for nominating me, as I know you guys would prefer me as your mentor. And I know you'll be terribly dissapointed when I say I can't accept.

I've never had the experience of being an administrator of an asylum, but moderating this forum is probably as close as it comes. Who the heck would want that job?

yes yes your right goofyfish it will be a sign again that like amercians people here only vote on without thinking.

(Q),

I could not agree with you more, who ever we elect this will be more of a punishment then a privileges. See Stryderunknown I’m trying to save you rather then hurt you! :)

When does the voting close? When Skinwalker gets enough votes to overtake Stryder?

That is what is happening here Vrob. He now has 11 votes, and I can bet you, there have been votes by these trolls with multiple accounts.

I mean seriousy, which honest and decent people would vote for someone who thinks the discussion of anything that doesn't conform with their viewpoint, to be bullshit, and should be closed or deleted, and brags about how many votes they got. This is a joke.

I guess it's also very ironic, that so many new members have joined this forum since yesterday, and if you review the entire member list, you will see so many members who have post counts below 10, and ridiciulous names.

Now, we all know how, every single time, something you want, ends up being wanted by the "majority" just use all those accounts you've set up in the past, and set-up new ones, just so you can cast a vote on a poll. Disgusting, desperate and cheap.

Then go away, Mikey. Quit torturing yourself.
You've been here for 2 months or so and think
you understand the dynamics? That's the joke.

:m: Peace.

I have a better idea Goofy, why don't you just make him moderator, and end this charade. At least people can see that some of us are right, that this forum is a dictatorship and has no tolerance or respect for views that do not accord with their own, and that does absolutely anything it wants. Like even support for self-confessed racist moderators, when 55 disapprove of them.

These polls are nothing but popularity contests to enforce something you want, and when the popular opinion is in favour of something you don't want, you set-up multiple accounts, and vote on the poll. Just so that you can say "it was democratic" I am too smart to fall for that.

All forums are a dictatorship. You are fortunate that this one is benign.
How else do explain the level of shit we are taking from you? You have been
a source of irritation to many here, yet we continue to tolerate you. Why do
you suppose that is? Are we masochists that enjoy the abuse from you?

(Insert conspiratorial plot line here, Mikey.)

As is the case with all of your posts - you ignore facts presented by others,
and focus only on statements which you believe support your cause. It has
been explained to you by several members how the nomination process and
the poll is set up. The closing date of the poll is there for everyone to see,
but you are blind the facts because you enjoy playing the forum's martyr.

Quit bleating your non-sensical complaints. It is boring.

You know what, start a topic called "Should crazymikey be banned" so that you have the democratic motion to do something you want to do, then use all your multiple accounts(10 trolls, each with 5 accounts = 50 ) Porfiry wants me gone, he always has, and he's not done it, simply because I don't deserve to be banned, and people would be furious.

Yet, I challege him to do it, because I want people to see, that we are right about this forum. Most people will tell you, that I am sensible, and I am always interjecting news ideas, and having discussions with all, of my 1043 posts, many of them are very informative posts, and offer something. I also never insult people without being provoked. As opposed to the people you say have been irritated, that have non-stop, insulted me and others, and simply posted to condemn our beliefs. You don't have a leg to stand on Goofyfish. If I deserve to be banned, that would mean more than half of this forum, should be banned.

Simply because I believe in aliens and I am trying my best to present you evidence, gives you people the green light to insult me. I am the one tolerating you here. You have been so abusive, that had you been in front of me, I would have been using more than words. It's so ironic, when the criminals talk about justice. What a total joke.

None of us use muliple accounts to vote more then once, we have morals you know. That and the moderators/adm. would know. Porfity does not banish you because you have not pissed him off enough yet. Why we haven't called for your banishment yet is beyond me.

*cough*proxies*cough*

anyway taunting the owner crazymikey :)

If I deserve to be banned, that would mean more than half of this forum, should be banned.You don't have to deserve it, Mikey. If this is the dictatorship that you claim it is, and remember that you and I agree that it is, you could just be gone. Why aren't you Mikey? Because we have a sense of what's right and wrong despite what you say, or is it because:

(Insert conspiratorial plot line here, Mikey.)

Porfiry wants me gone, he always has, and he's not done it, simply because I don't deserve to be banned, and people would be furious. Yet, I challege him to do it, because I want people to see, that we are right about this forum.

Don't challenge too hard, crazymikey. If you wish hard enough, sometimes your wish can come true.

That's the loophole, goofyfish, if you ban me, when you know it is wrong, then it will prove that you are the dictatorship some of us accuse you off to all, yet by keeping me here, I am going to speak out against what I consider "wrong" and I think insulting people for their views, making moderators out of people who are prejudiced, highly negative or want to ban discussion of views that do not conform with them - is wrong; and guess what? I am going to speak against it.

If you ban me, It will prove my point to everyone, and just knowing that, is going to be a victory for me, and I will just migrate to another forum, that doesn't just call itself an intelligent community, but, IS an intelligent community and shows it.

As I said before, if you treat the people who liven up your community, like shit; they will just go elsewhere. Like Zonabi, who is also sick and tired of what is happening here and leaving. Yet, I tried to stop him, foolishly telling him, that things are going to change for the better here. You ban me, and many here are going to have it confirmed, and will leave, or just cut down posting. Why? Because they know I don't deserve to be banned, and even when you admit it yourself, "it would be wrong to ban me" then it leaves nothing to the imagination that you have done wrong.

Banning you will not prove this is a dictatorship. That fact is a given; it's admitted.
So now you have to explain why you are still here - why previous calls to ban
irritaing members have never succeeded, why a call to ban a moderator is actually
very close to succeeding. Could it be because we live by our word, or is it:

(Insert conspiratorial plot line here, Mikey.)

By the way, Mikey, it's bad form to edit your post after others have responded.
It makes it look like you've got something to hide; like you're being shifty.

I did not see your response, and I am constantly editing my posts, because I am very prone to typing errors or missing out words.

Possibly true - but in this case, your did not just make grammatical changes.
In this instance, you substanitally changed your post - as I said: bad form.

Looking for a response to my question, Mikey..
Or will you continue to evade answering it?

Question:

Can one nominee hand over their votes to another nominee if they wish to support that other nominee?

I think that might invalidate the voter's wish, as they might not agree with the givers choice.

:m: Peace.

Well, when something HASN'T been proven, or disproven, how can its falseness be exposed?
Until otherwise demonstrated via proof, we must assume the negative.
Any proposal without said demonstation is therefore false.


No, in the context of this subject, dubunking is having a preconceived idea, and doing anything you can to discredit the subject.
In any context, the definition is
To expose the Sham or Falseness




EDIT:

Yet, I challege him to do it, because I want people to see, that we are right about this forum.

For Christ's sake, ban him, Porfiry.

Goofyfish, are you able to see the voters or their IPs? Or is it possible to edit the poll to a "public" poll in order ensure to mikey that alternate screennames aren't being employed. He raises a valid point on that. It seems safe to assume that screennames with a handful of posts are not representative of the Sciforums and are, in some likelihood, alter-egos.

Just a thought.

Goofyfish

If a voter supports a certain nominee, then the voter should support the nominee's choices, whatever those may be. Politicians often use this method when they know they'll not win and transfer their support to another candidate.

Perhaps this question can be put to poll?

Goofyfish, are you able to see the voters or their IPs? Porf can see who voted - not I.

Mikey - still waiting for your reply...

:m: Peace.

(Q),

This is multi-choice vote; the voters for that nominee should have made a second choice as well. I voted for Persol and Skinwalker, persol jumped out, my vote was not wasted.

goofyfish,

but some of the other mods can see Ip addresses.

Goofyfish, what do you want me too reply too, because I edited my post and added a few thoughts I forgot to add before? You think that is a crime or something?

I hate you guys ...

*feels the hate-filled love*

voted for Stryder

If one professes a willingness to be open to the POSSIBILITY
of UFOs representing something other than planes, baloons, planets or clouds, they
are often insulted by being called 'UFO nutters', uneducated and ignorantThis is completely possible... but to claim that is is likely requires some reasoning.
By the way, Mikey, it's bad form to edit your post after others have responded.
It makes it look like you've got something to hide; like you're being shifty. Yeah, he has the several times completely changed the topic of his post AFTER I've responded. It got to the point where I had to quote what he said just so it wouldn't change.

You know what, at this point I could care less who wins. Both stryder and skin will probably do a good job anyhow.

just perhaps we could have both of them as moderator? ;)

Don't think that's needed... and honestly don't think it would work. I voted for skinny, but if stryder wins only stryder should be a mod.

stryder is already a mod, let him share the love to the runner up.

Don't you remember nusery school... sharing never works quite right. There doesn't seem to be a need for two mods in this forum... but goofy probably knows the level of modding needed more than we do. I know I only rarely notice when stuff is deleted (even when it was my stuff that is deleted).

I notice it a lot and a lot of closed threads as well, beside politcs/events has two mods and you don't see them complaining. Perhaps we could make it cover both Pseudoscience and Parapsychology subforums... as they are both the same crap (though Parapsychology is more benign.)

But politics/events is a damn mess. We have 2 fairly well defined groups in psuedo on a limited number of topics. Politics/events has a less limited number of topics that come up, but different people in different topics. Those sub-forums have demonstrated a need for 2 mods.

Eh, we'll see. I just don't want two mods just itching for stuff to moderate. There is plenty for one mod, but I'm not sure about two.

Also, why is it that several people have been complaining that they are 'not represented', yet they haven't really participated in this thread except to moan about 'THEM' moderating stuff in a biased manner? Just goes to show that they don't want any actual discussion and would rather resort to innuedno.

Persol, you forgot to mention that the World Events section is the biggest sub-forum here.

Oh, and also, the World Events section is the biggest sub-forum here. ;)

and so why don't we include Parapsychology in the job position? I don't see able to stryder moderating all three.

I think if you're going to add a 2nd moderator, you should vote on it. Just like this one.

I agree with VRob on this one. You can't just guess that the people who want Stryder or skin for this forum also want them for parapsy... or want both.

This is just a hypothetical discusion.

Goofyfish, what do you want me too reply too...Top of the page - your post; my question.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35829&page=10&pp=10

Naw, im not surprised, if skinwalker is also made moderator. It's already been pre-selected, now even if he loses, he wins too. I think you must think people are stupid.

If a voter supports a certain nominee, then the voter should support the nominee's choices, whatever those may be. Politicians often use this method when they know they'll not win and transfer their support to another candidate.

That's totally absurd. The nominee is free to throw his support behind someone else, but that in no way binds the voter to do so.

These polls are nothing but popularity contests to enforce something you want

...so what the fuck is the solution, crazymikey? Democracy doesn't do it for you, apparently. Neither does dictatorship, as you've been whining about that. It sounds like the only outcome that you would accept the one that you want. In humans, that kind of behavior is exhibited by infants and morons. So what is it you want, crazymikey? Shall I warm up some milk for you to suckle on? Or can you find your way back to your own mother's teat?

Naw, im not surprised, if skinwalker is also made moderator. It's already been pre-selected, now even if he loses, he wins too. I think you must think people are stupid.

How if he loses does he win??? I don't see anyone argeeing on second moderatorship?

Porfiry,

Do the dictator thing and have crasymikey killed in a firing squad. We have had to deal with him for a long time and we let him go on and on demonstrating that we had patients and moral value, but lets let this one conspiracy of his come true and ban his ass, maybe that way in his little mind he will think he is right and never come back here.

...so what the fuck is the solution, crazymikey? Democracy doesn't do it for you, apparently. Neither does dictatorship, as you've been whining about that. It sounds like the only outcome that you would accept the one that you want. In humans, that kind of behavior is exhibited by infants and morons. So what is it you want, crazymikey? Shall I warm up some milk for you to suckle on? Or can you find your way back to your own mother's teat?

No, I want worthy candidates for election:

Stryderunknown
Sargentlard
Lemming3k
Vrob
2inquisitive

I don't want people to be nominated, who are the actual trouble makers in the forum. Which is everyone on that list, except for Dr Lou Nactic and some of the aforementioned. That is hardly an irrational demand.

WCF: you have paitents and moral value? Only kidding ;)

Let's see this paitents and moral value:

WellCookedFetus
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SkinWalker,

I seriously don't think your being harsh enough on him! And I'm not being sarcastic.
SkinWalker
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I shall endeavor to improve.

Perhaps if I started using the "F" word?
WellCookedFetus
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the man is fucking crazy and his name is mike, if thats not reason enough what is? (using alien implanted logic)

See what making Skinwalker a moderator means? He's just going to gang up along others who share his beliefs, and abuse his powers and image, to put others down, or delete and edit their posts. Heck, he's already made it clear, he would delete or close threads like "Proof for ETI"

You don't need to ban me. If Skinwalker is made moderator here, I will leave by myself :)

That's totally absurd. The nominee is free to throw his support behind someone else, but that in no way binds the voter to do so.

This is true for a general election but not when a member of a party is seeking leadership of that party.

crazymike

lets looks at that:
the man is fucking crazy and his name is mike, if thats not reason enough what is? (using alien implanted logic)
and now I was being sarcastic

Xev is a bitch and a bad philosopher but she does not abuse her power, what makes you think Skinwalker will?

You don't need to ban me. If Skinwalker is made moderator here, I will leave by myself

Everyone must vote for him now! but if he does not win we get to all you crasymike a paranoid lunatic for thinking there was a conspiracy for his victory!

We get to call crasymike a paranoid lunatic anyway.

yes but after this Stryderunknown will allow it and we can all call him it without fear of deletion or editing, deal?

You don't need to ban me. If Skinwalker is made moderator here, I will leave by myself


Thank you for the endorsement, crazymikey, but if I do win, please don't leave. Whether you believe it or not, I doubt I would have actually closed your "proof of ETI" thread. I definately would have merged the two together, but not closed them. In fact, I would have pruned the off-topic posts and those from Exploding Nequium, either by deletion if they were of no content or by splitting the thread.

If I do get elected to moderator, one of the things I would do (unless Porfiry says no) is re-open the "Proof for ETI" threads and merge them together. The only time I would close a thread is if a flame war becomes uncontrollable or the topic is obvious bait or insult or if the original poster PMs to request it. In the case of the latter, I would consider creating a new topic by splitting off one or more posts of other members if they seemed interested in continuing the discussion.

In short, my primary agenda would be to foster intelligent discussion without ad hominem comments, flames, insults, and undo riducule. I would not close threads simply because I disagree with the content, nor would I delete them.

As I said... If anyone wants to see my track record of moderation over the past year, PM me and I'll give you a link to another board where I moderate. You can look at some of the more controversial topics, large topics, and topics created by me to get a sense of what I would do here.

LOL, Skinwalker, nice election campaign. You know promises for this and that, and the sudden golden halo that's appeared around your head ;) It's really funny, I mean just like a few days ago, you were calling for closure and deletion for ETI topics, or topics that do not conform with the "scientific" method", and ever since this poll, everything has changed LOL

People are not idiots, they can see through such transparency.

hmmm mikey gave me a thought...
maybe there is a secret shadow Sciforums government :eek:

You don't need to ban me. If Skinwalker is made moderator here, I will leave by myself

SkinWalker is now officially endorsed by the administration.

This is true for a general election but not when a member of a party is seeking leadership of that party.

Not where I come from. In my country, a new vote would be called with only the remaining candidates.

This is true in the US as well. It just happens that most voters throw their votes behind whoever their first choice picks.

Porfiry,

You don't mind if I quote this?

SkinWalker is now officially endorsed by the administration.

The hillarious thing though is that crazymikey is complaining about sciforums being out to get him, the vote being riggerd, etc... Yet he doesn't seem to realize that Porfiry owns this place, and can ban him any time he wants and delete all proof of his existaqnce from this forum. The fact that he hasn't makes the complaints just fall on their face. I am also fairly certain that he hasn't taken skinny up on his offer of looking at his mod jobs, and is just going to keep complaining.

So Porf, can you demonstrate your dictatorial power? Pretty please? Nobody will miss crazymikey, in fact, we've forgotten about him already.

Nobody will miss crazymikey, in fact, we've forgotten about him already.

Speak for yourself.

I hope you realize Persol, that I am posting at multiple forums, some of them are actual intelligent communties, and more importantly, a lot of them are skeptics. If I'm banned from here, I won't lose anything, it will ony just confirm everything I've said. In fact, so many of you troublemakers, are confirming what I'm saying, divine(admin) intervention, would only drive the point home and proves, it's not just a few trolls, but the instituion itself. Already, a few people are discussing with me by e-mail, and saying they would leave. I, however, have said, if I'm banned, I want them to stay, just to rub it in your face - next time you say to someone "No evidence" they'll just tell them how I wiped the floor with you, so much so, you had to pray for divine intervention ;) On top of that, as soon as the truth is out, that I've quite clearly outlined on this forum , you'll feel like complete idiots for doubting me, and lose again(double defeat) I hope, for the benefit of your loved ones, that nothing happens to you. I cannot wish what is about to happen on anyone; even if it's you.

You see, not all of us humans are as primitive as you. It's a win-win situation for me, to be honest :)

Like I said... ah.... it's too easy...

next time you say to someone "No evidence" they'll just tell them how I wiped the floor with youSure. You wiped the floor with us so much that you wouldn't answer any of our questions, and the ones you did answer were demonstrated as incorrect. You constantly make statements like "I cannot wish what is about to happen on anyone; even if it's you" which are just innane. You might as well just get a piece of cardboard, write "the sky is falling" and stand in Times Square.

That shit doesn't belong here unless you actually intend to backup your view... which you have yet to do about the secret government, ETI visiting us, alll recent technology being from ET, sciforums trying to hide 'the truth', and you having a brain.

You have yet to demonstrate a single one of these things, yet call us idiots for dubting you... uh huh. I really don't see how any of us lose by your banning. There are plenty of ignorant people which you can go and play elsewhere. Kooks thinking that this place is run by 'them' could only have a possitive influence on the content.

All I ask from a moderator is fairness. That, and if you lock a thread, don't just slam it and walk away. Leave a closing message that says why it was locked please. I notice Goofyfish leaving parting messages lately, thank you.

Can I have a list of the "17" people that voted for Skinwalker. Funny that, isn't it, he's not been at this forum that long, and he's almost always been in psuedoscience, yet, has as many people voting for him as Stryderunknown - whose been here for a long time.

Also interesting, just last night he was at 11 votes, and he's got 6 out of a sudden, while everyone is steady ;)

Crazymikey,

I think it was you that did it, by saying you would leave, your now rallying support for Skinwalker.

Maybe Dr Lou can give all his votes to skinwalker. Form a coalition or some political thingie like that.

Can I have a list of the "17" people that voted for Skinwalker.No, you can't... and this is your proof that it was rigged. We admit it. I have 10 other usernames and decided to vote for skinny with them.

So are you gone yet?

I again repeat; I would like a list of the 17 people who voted for Skinwalker.

WCF, Persol, Persol1, Persol2, Skinwalker, WCF, Persol3, Skinwalker1, Persol4, Persol5, WCF1, Persol6, Persol7, WCF2, Persol8, Persol9, Skinwalker2

I say you boycott the forum and fight the man.

I wonder why crazey-mikey didn't nominate himself for the moderator position.


I'll bet all aliens on sciforum would have voted for him. He would have won the election before it even started.

I did not vote for myself, because of the prejudice and discrimination against me and others who ascribe to my beliefs. yet I know if I was made moderator here, I would bring it to "intelligent community" standards in no time. If you think I am bullshitting, try me ;)

How's that for self-nomination ;)

It seems Skinwalker will probably win

Star_One,

How can you say that hes 3 votes below Stryderunknown?

Persol,

On that list why isn't Exploding Nequim there? Oooh that’s right I have morals. ;)

Mikey sez:

If you think I am bullshitting, try me

We already have, you are.

Good to see you have morals, WCF. I wouldn't doubt you for a moment :D

Dont worry crazymikey im holding my vote, so with a little luck i be able to tip the balance to skinwalker :).

I still don't see the list of those 17 members that have voted for Skinwalker, I asked for. Is there something to hide ;)

I have a vote held for Stryder.
He's a very competent mod, don't know why so many are against him.

i was wondering crazy, have you ever heard this before : "Things are not always a conspiracy"

HEY.

Don't poke the schizophrenic.

It only makes them more annoying.

"Things are not always a conspiracy"

In our day and age?.... I don't mean to turn you into a paranoid schizophrenic, but such is life.

Bu-bye, Crazymikey!

You do realize, that now skinwalker has 21 votes, as soon as the poll is over, we are going to ask for a list of the members who voted for him. I already know, that most of them are from repeat accounts and new accounts. Prove me wrong ;)

prove that your rigth, it you that clames the poll is rigged not me

He's a very competent mod, don't know why so many are against him.

I have to agree.. I don't think anybody is against Stryder so much as they are crazymikey.... I just hope I get a few votes because they think I'll do a decent job :cool:

I am proven right, automatically, by the inability to produce the list of members who voted for him. As it is well known, that multiple voting accounts is common at this forum, and the fact that Skinwalker seems to be more favoured, than Stryder(moderator and longtime member) despite being relatively new to this forum, and despite his prejudiced notions, and only posting in the "pseudoscience forum" thus being relatively unpopular with the forum in totality. As well as the fact, that voters can cast multiple votes, yet they are so in love with Skinwalker, that they only vote for him ;)

This is actually extremely funny! I will be leaving this forum with a wide smirk on my face now. Also, there are quite a few others, who will be leaving too. (I am not making them)

Voters: 53
I count 70?
Is the vote counter off or what?
I voted None of the above as there isn't much of a choice the way I see it. (grins)

LOL Crater,

Yes exactly, I think the trolls who are feeding votes to Skinwalker, don't understand, that the poll actually recognizes their IP address. Please Porfiry, reveal those "trolls" so we can all laugh at their desperation ;)

c'mon , vote for Stryder! :cool:
he's the best! :m:

Is the vote counter off or what?No, just your attention to detail.

:m: Peace.

Also interesting, just last night he was at 11 votes, and he's got 6 out of a sudden, while everyone is steady

Funny, ever since you said you'd leave if SkinWalker won. There's no conspiracy crazymikey, people just hate you.

That's funny Porfiry, because I have not put down anyones religion or beliefs, like a certain Proud Muslim, who people did not want to be banned? Yet, they want be banned, because I believe in aliens. Do you see what's wrong with your statement?

Oh please, oh master, start a poll to ban poor old Mikey, so you have a "democratic" motion to remove me ;)

Now, I know, how things gets done around here! I'm actually laughing my head off!

As I stated earlier Mikey, but you have studiously ignored:

Banning you will not prove this is a dictatorship. That fact is a given; it's admitted.
So now you have to explain why you are still here - why previous calls to ban
irritaing members have never succeeded, why a call to ban a moderator is actually
very close to succeeding. Could it be because we live by our word, or is it:

(Insert conspiratorial plot line here, Mikey.)

I already know how it works here Goofyfish, I'm just letting other people know. They are not idiots, as much as you want to think they are. I think you have this deluded notion that this forum is "hot" ;) In a few years, it won't even be online any more.

Drop the charade girls, ban me, make Skinwalker moderator, and endorse racism on your forum. It's your site, it's your forum, and you're not the gods here. However, as much as you want to delude yourself, you're not the gods of my world, and I am actually literally laughing at you through the screen! This is comedy at it's best!

Would you leave already?

i find crazymikey entertaning, his simply amazing .

4 small facts:
This poll will close on 05-20-04 at 09:32 PM
Poll is multichoise
Registration time and post count mean shit
crazymekey is his own worst enermy in this poll

I already know how it works here Goofyfish... I think you have this deluded notion that this forum... am actually literally laughing at you...In other words, as is typical of your claims here and in other subforums, you cannot support your statements.

:m: Peace.

Some members who had long arguments with mikey didn't vote for Skinwalker; therefore, please note that mikey is not a factor here!

The forum needs a gimp to thrash, and crazymikey is dutifully filling his role. Go mikey! Keep reaching for the stars, you'll be a winner one day!

So Porfiry, how about that list of 21 members who voted for Skinwalker? Come on, show me, you're not the dictator I accuse you off?

Get thee behind me, Satan!

Come on, show me, you're not the dictator I accuse you off?

Why would I reveal the names of people who voted when they did so under the presumption that their votes were anonymous? Stop being such a self-important prick.

Because I am accusing this poll of being fixed. If you cannot falisfy my claim, it means I'm right. That's not very good for your reputation is it?

If you cannot falisfy my claim, it means I'm right.

Good logic.

WellCookedFetus,

Just take a look, at the poll now, although it was obvious it would brake even anyway, i expect when i look at the board tommorow SkinWalker will be in the lead

yes yes lets look at the logic.
If Not A, then B. Is incorrect because there could be C.

There is still no list I asked for. Ok, it is confirmed now, this poll/election has been fixed. Disgusting.

Now you understand how we feel when you ignore our requests for facts. Perhaps there is hope for you.

There still is no evidence for or against your claims crazymikey, so you cannot declare your self right.

now I need to cover for dear life as a torrnado is flying over me.

Tornado? You cast the rest of your votes first, right?

Vote early and often, as they say :)

BTW, mikey... what if there is no SkinWalker.... what if he is Persol? Or "Q?" Or both? :cool:

Now that would be a conspiracy!

torrnado is over, power was out for awhile, not to many people died.

CrazyMikey,

Sometimes it is best to remain silent during these things. Just a thought.

*psss* WCF, could you make a few more accounts.

Thanks,
The Shadow Government


If you cannot falisfy my claim, it means I'm right.wow... you do realize that we had a list of about 2 dozen questions which you were unable to answer, right? Since you could not falsify our claims of you being wrong, it mean we're right.

While we're at it, I also want the names of everyone who voted for Bush... otherwise the election was rigged.

Crazy, do you honestly think we give a damn if you think the thing is rigged? Worst case, you leave. However this is one of those odd situations where the worst case happens to be the best case as well.

Vrob, I am actually doing it deliberately, to provoke the trolls to vote for him :D Just to show, that even when it is obvious, that they are doing it, and even when Porfiry knows it, nothing will be done about it, because guess what, this "open government" is a sham and everything done here is in accordance with what the administration wants to be done. On top of that, it really goes to show how immature and cheap these trolls are. It's quite funny to watch. I'm sorry Stryder, but just to let you know, if this was a fair poll, you would have won this by a landslide :)

I haven't used my other accounts yet, should I really? :(

crazymikey,

I though we told you along time ago this was a dictatorship? Did you not get that in your head yet? This poll are because Porfiry likes to usually do what the people want. Isn’t that nice of him? Hey I have been to many other forums and trust me this is very lax and democratic place compared to them. You have the learn to live with what's is given.

By the way Stryder can see everyone IP addresses, he would know if this is rigid or not and you don't see him complaining?

Vrob, I am actually doing it deliberately

Not very smart of you.

Everyone knows these discussion boards are not run democratically. Nor should they be. They are privately owned. They can be run any way the owner chooses. From what I've seen on this board, ownership is seperate from the discussions. What you've done is contribute to what you're attempting to stop. Like I said, not very smart.

What he professes to be attempting to stop.

:m: Peace.

Vrob, do you honestly think, if I said nothing, that Skinwalker will not get any more votes? Even before I posted here, it was ongoing. I just have a very bad habit, of supporting the truth, and what is happening here, is a lie, thus I am pointing it out. Besides, it's sort of obvious, I am not very bothered about leaving this forum. That is simply because of what goes on here: discrimination against anyone who has pro-ETI views; the contempt for any alternative scientific theories as well endorsement of prejudice and racism. Honestly man, there is nothing to lose at this forum. I have already decided to leave, because while I endured the rest, I think making a moderators out of people who have such prejudiced notions, and that troll the forums and attack others, is not only wrong, but stupid. It basically means, that this forum will never have any tolerance for alternative views, and I think that is very pitiful. I'm having my view known, rather than remaining silent. This is my biggest strength, and also my biggest weakness.

Actually, you are wrong. What a surprise. The only reason I care if people vote for somebody besides Stryder right now is that you said you'd leave. I'd rather seen skin win anyway, but stryder is a good mod and I'm sure he would be here too. But you leaving trumps stryder being mod.

CrazyMikey,

When you started in on the moderator conspiracy, Stryder had a 19-11 lead. Since you've stated you'd leave if Skinwalker wins, the lead Stryder had is gone. Coincedence? I don't believe in coincedences. Especially not in this case.

You may be leaving if Skinwalker wins, but what about the others who didn't want to leave? What you've done here is make it more difficult for those who choose to remain. Congrats.

Vrob, you don't understand the irony of it. When I posted here, Skinwalker on 7 and Sryder 11. Then, if I recall correctly, Stryder was on 15, and Skinwalker on 11. The multiple votes for Skinwalker were already ongoing. Yet ask yourself, if members here are going stoop so low, just so they can out someone they don't like. What does it matter, who is the moderator. I am not a factor in this Vrob. It was already decided from the beginning, and many could taste it.

If you want evidence for it, just ask Porfiry for a list of the members who voted. There is nothing really to spoil Vrob, when the insitution supports troublemakers to be moderators of the forum, what is there to spoil. If you want to discuss alternative theories and Aliens, you need to go elsewhere. Here, you are only going to slammed for those beliefs. I have seen this, from the very first day, I came here. I recall discussing ET's, and Persol straight out calling me a "kook" and when I politely asked Persol to not be this abusive, he did not comply. Do you remember when I started that thread to have Psuedoscience renamed to Alternative theories, Porfiry told me, "It only pacifies the others members to call it that" in other words the forum is inherently prejudiced to this, or anything that lies outside of what they know.

Please, do not blame me, I am the only one, trying to get us "believers" the right to be treated respectfully, and have our discussions, and not be called "kooks" and be insulted by those, who are self-imposed intellectuals.

If you want evidence for it, just ask Porfiry for a list of the members who voted. What an idiot. Stryder is already a mod. Guess who can view IP addresses? Hmmm, mods?

Nobody would disagree with your "right to be treated respectfully" if you didn't make stuff up and attempted to backup your claims.

Dear whoever,

The fetus is kind of drunk and high right now so he sent me, said something about rigging the vote, making craymikey wag the dog , something, something... I Don’t know much, I’m one of those splint personalities that kept in the dark about things, I just outlet his stupidity every once in awhile so his brain can think good, he’s hoping I’m temporary. So who should I vote for again? Oh ya this all remind me of this realy long story ok so Bob was like ”don’t peal apples on the street!” and his wife was like “why not?” Anyways to make this story short that’s how babies are made in the future.

crazymikey:

Just to clear up a misconception of yours, the only person who can see who voted is Porfiry. I can't see who voted. None of the other moderators can see who voted.

This vote is by secret ballot, like most elections. You have no right to see who voted for whom. If you believe there has been fraud (e.g. sock-puppet accounts being used to vote) then you can ask Porfiry for a review of the votes, but that's the most you can do.

It is in everybody's interest to pick the best moderator from the candidates. Frankly, I don't think anybody cares enough about you to vote for somebody purely on the basis of whether you will be pissed off about it or not.

Oh, and you are free to leave any time you like. You don't need to be banned to leave.

I have it on good authority from someone I know who spoke to someone that knows that crazymikey actually voted for me.

Now that seems a bit preposterous at first, considering all the negative comments he made, but this person that I know really trusts his/her source and tells me that the other person is someone of "high status."

Disclosure is cuming. Oops... coming.

I have an assumption that crazymikey is a scam/troll user made up by some of our other community member/s to make fun. During my stay at these forums I have seen and confirmed some 3 or 4 such users.
One even was led by a group of people :D

I always thought that PM can't be real.

So who want Exploding_Necquim name and password, derange lunatic name for free, anyone? PM me if you want access.

I always thought that PM can't be real.

Same here.

SkinWalker was the recipient of numerous fradulent votes from Rappaccini, hence the winner of this election is Stryderunknown.