I truly don't understand why so many countries have made prostitution illegal.
It's a service just like massage or modeling, and people are free to have sex on their own.

But for whatever reason when money comes in between it's illegal.
Never mind that many marriages are precisely about money.

So why should the state prohibit for men and women to use their bodies as they like and make some money in the process?

If everything is regulated and health checks are in place I don't see any rational reason to illegalize it.

I truly don't understand why so many countries have made prostitution illegal.
It's a service just like massage or modeling, and people are free to have sex on their own.

But for whatever reason when money comes in between it's illegal.
Never mind that many marriages are precisely about money.

So why should the state prohibit for men and women to use their bodies as they like and make some money in the process?

If everything is regulated and health checks are in place I don't see any rational reason to illegalize it.

Like most laws, it has more to do with property. Street whores drive values down and hurt business. That's why even where it's really really illegal, as long as it is in a whore house(even well known), it is overlooked.

I think most western democracies are against it, just cause they dont get their cut...they hate economies operation outside society. It is considered money lost.

If everything is regulated and health checks are in place I don't see any rational reason to illegalize it.

That is just one of the myrid of problems prostitution faces. How to enforce the prostitutes to get medical exams every month or so is going to be very hard. Regulating it also is very difficult and it being a cash business it could easily be used as a laundrying business for the mafia. Another problem is if someone gets infected they might spread the disease to others before they get an exam. :(:shrug:

I have a problem with it morally. I think it's an abomination against your temple (body).

if its legle it can be taxed, also alowed for safty standards to be put in place like security guards, manditory condoms, health checks ect

I have a problem with it morally. I think it's an abomination against your temple (body).

That you sell it for money by using it for sex? We are all prostitutes in one way or another for we sell our bodies to the businesses we work for and let them take advantage over us don't we? What's the difference if you sell your sexual pleasures to the highest bidders as you do your mind?

That you sell it for money by using it for sex? We are all prostitutes in one way or another for we sell our bodies to the businesses we work for and let them take advantage over us don't we? What's the difference if you sell your sexual pleasures to the highest bidders as you do your mind?

Working for pay is different from using your temple as a sperm recepticle for filth. Selling the use of your mind doesn't violate you physically. Sex with a stranger does. Selling the use of your mind doesn't usually crush your spirit like prostitution does.

Japan's sex business is going...the rest of the world is catching up

Working for pay is different from using your temple as a sperm recepticle for filth. Selling the use of your mind doesn't violate you physically. Sex with a stranger does. Selling the use of your mind doesn't usually crush your spirit like prostitution does.

It's all in your head. There's no difference between paid and unpaid sex,

Prostitution is legal where I am. The prostitutes even procure their business right next to the police station (I sure its safer for them). For $55 two girls, 45 minutes, anything. And they are hot. Despite the temptation I haven't done any business, I'm married...so why pay anything?

Prostitution is quite legal and accepted in the USA.

What else do you call women who refuse to pay for anything with money, then think that if they sleep with you that it makes up for everything?

How is it not prostitution when a man takes a woman out to dinner and then takes her out to a movie or theatre or something similar?

What about the 'wives' that refuse to get jobs and then they expect unlimited use to your bank account, but hey if they give you sex once or twice a week their rent is paid for, as well as everything in their life?

For $55 two girls, 45 minutes, anything. And they are hot. Despite the temptation I haven't done any business, I'm married...so why pay anything?

How is it you know so much about them and their prices?

You are recently married I see, in awhile your change your ways.

Wither you agree with prositution, drugs or other social vices, I am not sure making them ilegal is the answer. I think it may even make the vice worse by driving up prices hence acting as an incentive for people to engage in the activity. I think we need to be more creative in how we deal with vices.

Why is it illegal to sell what it is legal to give away? Besides, prostitutes aren't selling it. They're only renting it out for a while.

I think it has a strong base with our discontent for promiscuity. We are rather selfish with our relationships and do not want to see 'our' women being used by someone else. Remember that sex is strongly desired, esp. by men, so prostitution can appear to be abuse and exploitation of man's willingness to make irrational sacrifices for it. Just a thought.

Why is it illegal to sell what it is legal to give away? Besides, prostitutes aren't selling it. They're only renting it out for a while.

Well said :)

The only real problem I have is the spread of disease among the patrons and the prostitutes, there is no real way to prevent it . If STD's didnt exist i bet it would be legal.

Here is potential thread killer. But it needs to get out. Civilization needs me and...and...

Why isn't prostitution legal? I can really get into this discussion from a psycholigical\ethical\moral viewpoint but the fact that this subject or the reasons behind the legality are not common knowledge is hard to believe.

Some questions that needs to be asked are:

Would you want you sister to be a prostitute? your wife?

Just think about why it is illegal in some areas and...well...put it this way-

How many women really want to make their living screwing any guy with a credit card?

Would they say: "Wow, my job is just great, every day a new set ofd***s."

OR

"You know i wake up in the morning and really look forward to the first six B*** J***"


:wallbang:

Hey i know:

"I raised six girls, all prostitutes. I done did a good job"

I dont want to see it on the streets...but in private, if there is no harm done between consenting adults, then there is no basis for criminality.

How many prostitutes are abducted/murdered annually? How many are drug addicts? Clearly, the "profession" is not safe. How many carry around STDs? Would legalizing prostitution set a good example to women in the workforce? Would it (directly or indirectly) invite women struggling in school/work to sell themselves? Wouldn't legalizing prostitution also mean more pimps in society? Do we really want that?

No, because then, like in Germany or Netherlands, they would work in the open, pay taxes, etc., just like any self employed person and they would not need pimps and the mob and would have protection of the law (what they now lack), because what they do would be legal.

Kadark im with avatar. In melbourne its legal to work from registed brothals (although they changed that legilsation to alow self employed sex workers to work from home).

They pay tax
they MUST follow the work cover legilation (health and saftery)
health checks
AGE checks
drug tests
ect

When you force something into the closet it becomes asociated with all the OTHER things you irationally threw into there

It is legal... :confused:

;)

I'm talking globally, not about a specific country. I'm well aware that there are countries, where it is lega.

For example in Latvia prostitution isn't illegal, it's only illegal to force someone into prostitution.
But it's also illegal to create, organize or lead brothels.
So, while on one hand, you can't be arrested for prostitution, it's not a legal profession either, and because of that there are still lots of problems, because prostitutes don't get protection from the law as regards their labour rights, taxes, etc.
They have to register and do regular health checks though.

It doesnt matter if it is legal or not, the idea of sanctioned prostitution is just wrong. I was with a prostitute one time and that was when i was 19 and only because my friends went. It was not that great either and i just wasnt into it. For me it was just something my friends wanted to do because i could go to 20-30 bars and walk out with women i already knew- no money involved. So in that case i was lucky.

But what are the ramifications of legalized prostitution? I think there is a segment of all populations that like to have some kind of danger or specifically the illegality is part of the appeal. Like a drug addict, their just going to get their thrill another way and possibly from something a little darker. Even young kids smoking weed, or cigarettes, the idea that you are doing something wrong is enticing. But what happens when you take that away? Do you unintentionally make something else more appealing? Perhaps something worse.

Then you have to view it from the other side, one side does it for the thrill and the other does it, the majority of the time, for need. And now you are opening up this opportunity to virtually all women, well not really all but certainly the disadvantaged.

I think the arguments for making it legal are being sugarcoated. First of all who cares if they are paying taxes? Also, they are not self employed and the idea of brothel owners just starting out looking for workers is just creepy. Finally, the point at which it is illegal is exactly what? that they dont pay taxes? You are not going to stop people from doing it illegally anyway. Guys leaving bars are not going to care that some woman is selling it out of her car. But of course while solicited they would think 'its legal anyway so why not'.

I'm talking globally, not about a specific country. I'm well aware that there are countries, where it is lega.

Just kidding :)

I truly don't understand why so many countries have made prostitution illegal.
It's a service just like massage or modeling, and people are free to have sex on their own.

But for whatever reason when money comes in between it's illegal.
Never mind that many marriages are precisely about money.

So why should the state prohibit for men and women to use their bodies as they like and make some money in the process?

If everything is regulated and health checks are in place I don't see any rational reason to illegalize it.


Would you support your friends becoming prostitutes/whores? Why don't you become a prostitute/whore? I mean, it’s all good, right? Its all civilised and that.

There is nothing commendable about selling your body for sex. Seriously, what sort of a woman would sell herself? an educated woman? a woman with good future prospects? or a woman with no education, no job, no money, no future prospects? Prostitution will attract the wrong people and keep them trapped for many years.

No civilised society would allow and encourage men and women to sell their bodies for sex. Disgusting.

I agree.

No civilised society would allow and encourage men and women to sell their bodies for sex. Disgusting.

It's not encouraging, it's making it controllable. Prostitution is going to happen whether it's illegal or not.

Would you want your wife to become a prostitute for her job? Would you want your husband to become a gigolo for his line of work? Answer no to either then you're against prostitution.

Would you want your wife to become a prostitute for her job? Would you want your husband to become a gigolo for his line of work? Answer no to either then you're against prostitution.

That's a totally illogical and wrong argument!

Would you want your wife to be a security guard in a prison? If no, then you are against security guards in prisons?

There are a lot of professions that people would not rather do, but that doesn't mean that that profession is unneeded or wrong.

I want those who work at prostitution to pay taxes, receive social benefits and protection of the law just as any other work force, be it a garbage collector or a prison guard.

That's a totally illogical and wrong argument!

It wasn't ment to be an argument at all, it was asked as a question. Would you want YOUR wife to be a prostitute?

And I refuse to answer that question on the basis that you have loaded it.
If I'm against my wife being a garbage collector that doesn't mean I'm against garbage collecting.
If I'm against my wife being a prostitute that doesn't mean that I'm against prostitution.
As a Latvian saying goes - each work is a virtue.

I want that those people, who choose to be prostitutes, to be protected by the law and social services just like any other workforce.

It wasn't ment to be an argument at all, it was asked as a question. Would you want YOUR wife to be a prostitute?

I'll answer it. No, I would not want MY wife to be a prostitue, nor my daughter or grandaughter. That is beside the point. I would not like MY wife, daughter or grandaughter to do lots of things. I can tell them my likes and dislikes but when push comes to shove it is their lives, not mine and if they decide to do something I do not like that is their right.

I cannot understand why anyone would want to be a prostitue but that does not mean that someone who does want to become one should be prevented from that choice.

Would you want your wife to become a prostitute for her job? Would you want your husband to become a gigolo for his line of work? Answer no to either then you're against prostitution

What's the point of getting married, then?

I can tell them my likes and dislikes but when push comes to shove it is their lives, not mine and if they decide to do something I do not like that is their right.

I cannot understand why anyone would want to be a prostitue but that does not mean that someone who does want to become one should be prevented from that choice.

So if your wife was to go to work as a legal prostitute you wouldn't stop her? If they legalize prostitution that will happen in many marriages. Imagine your wife being able to make thousands of dollars per week in wages, what will she need a husband for then?:shrug:

So if your wife was to go to work as a legal prostitute you wouldn't stop her?
Our constitution guarantess the freedom to choose work.
It would be illegal to stop her. And that's besides respecting the freedom of another person.
Though, if she did that, you would have the legal ground on which to ask for divorce.

Our constitution guarantess the freedom to choose work.
It would be illegal to stop her. And that's besides respecting the freedom of another person.

I'd divorce a woman that wanted to work as a prostitute if I were married. I couldn't stand the thought of my wife screwing hundreds of other men just for their money. But hey, that's just me.

So if your wife was to go to work as a legal prostitute you wouldn't stop her? If they legalize prostitution that will happen in many marriages. Imagine your wife being able to make thousands of dollars per week in wages, what will she need a husband for then?:shrug:

If my wife were to go to work as a legal prostitute I would be unable to stop her. I would divorce her because I wouldn't be able to live with her any longer. However, that does not mean that either I or the government should have the right to stop her from renting something that she owns.

There are other things my wife might choose to do that would cause me to ask for a divorce but that should be and sometimes are legal.

We are not talking about how I would feel about someone I love becoming a prostitute but whether or not prostitution should be legalized.

What do men in Nevada do? What do men in The Netherlands do? What do men in other countries where prostitution is legal do? What do women whose husbands are male prostitutes do?

How many prostitutes are abducted/murdered annually? How many are drug addicts? Clearly, the "profession" is not safe. How many carry around STDs? Would legalizing prostitution set a good example to women in the workforce? Would it (directly or indirectly) invite women struggling in school/work to sell themselves? Wouldn't legalizing prostitution also mean more pimps in society? Do we really want that?

These abductions, murders, drug addictions, and diseases are products of the illegality of prostitution, not prostitution itself. Making something illegal does not eliminate it, it just moves it underground. If you go to a responsible brothel that admits blood tests to their prostitutes, you will find none of these vices.

Kadark im with avatar. In melbourne its legal to work from registed brothals (although they changed that legilsation to alow self employed sex workers to work from home).

They pay tax
they MUST follow the work cover legilation (health and saftery)
health checks
AGE checks
drug tests
ect

When you force something into the closet it becomes asociated with all the OTHER things you irationally threw into there

:roflmao:

Good luck enforcing all of these "checks" and "tests".

Seriously, legalizing prostitution? What have we become...

These abductions, murders, drug addictions, and diseases are products of the illegality of prostitution, not prostitution itself. Making something illegal does not eliminate it, it just moves it underground. If you go to a responsible brothel that admits blood tests to their prostitutes, you will find none of these vices.

So legalizing something illegal reduces the numbers in which it happens?

Why not legalize murder and rape? After all, it may not be so desirable when it's legal, according to your logic.

I don't see why it should be legal, yet I do not know why it should be illegal. People have a right to do want they want to do with themselves (to a certain extent).

So legalizing something illegal reduces the numbers in which it happens?

Why not legalize murder and rape? After all, it may not be so desirable when it's legal, according to your logic.


You don't legalize murder and rape because murder and rape affect other people without their permission. If prostitution were legalized the two people would be willing participants.

People should have the right to control their own bodies.

You don't legalize murder and rape because murder and rape affect other people without their permission. If prostitution were legalized the two people would be willing participants.

People should have the right to control their own bodies.

Touching.

It's a shame it does nothing to ease the difficult predicaments caused by prostitution (as outlined in one of my earlier posts).

Besides, if prostitution was legal, wouldn't a lot of poor parents force their daughters into prostitution? It happens in areas where it is illegal, so why not in places where it's legalized?

Forcing into prostitution whether legal or illegal is a criminal act punishable by law.

and its EASIER for the goverment to procicute if its legal because they can put in place social services and the paticipents arnt worried about being procicuted

ALSO it cuts down on vilonce towards prositutes because they know that they can safly go to the police and they will DO something other than charge THEM

Forcing into prostitution whether legal or illegal is a criminal act punishable by law.

It's much more difficult to help people forced into prostitution when it is unconditionally legal. This is only one of the minor ramifications that ensue with legalized prostitution.

you have got to be serious

Legal means that the goverment can make legilation regarding it just like they do the building or anyother industry

Legal means that women and men forced into it can access social services and have those people prociuted.

Legal means they can require birth certificates to stop underage people involved in it

And I refuse to answer that question on the basis that you have loaded it.
If I'm against my wife being a garbage collector that doesn't mean I'm against garbage collecting.
If I'm against my wife being a prostitute that doesn't mean that I'm against prostitution.
As a Latvian saying goes - each work is a virtue.


Its a valid question, you're just looking at it the wrong way. You want prostitution legalised, yet when asked if you'd be happy to have your missus working as a prostitute, you dodge the question. To me it would appear you want prostitution legalised, as long as your hands don't get dirty. If you didn't want your wife to become a prostitute, then why are you yourself trying to encourage prostitution and pass it off as a ‘profession’ which is okay and moral?

So would you be happy with your wife being a prostitute/whore?

Would you be happy to sell your body to sexually aggressive Latvian men/women for money?

Would you tell your daughters its okay to be prostitutes?

As a Latvian saying goes - each work is a virtue.


So satisfying the sexual urges of men for money is virtuous? No, each work is not a virtue.

I want that those people, who choose to be prostitutes, to be protected by the law and social services just like any other workforce.


Of course. I've not come across one post suggesting they should not be protected.

Working for pay is different from using your temple as a sperm recepticle for filth. Selling the use of your mind doesn't violate you physically. Sex with a stranger does. Selling the use of your mind doesn't usually crush your spirit like prostitution does.

Sandy, now I know for sure that you don't know what you're talking about.

The real reason that prostitution is outlawed is because prostitution sets a fair price and you have some idea what you will receive for your money. With marriage or other forms of pair bondage, you have no idea what you will get besides a pretty good chance that she will deny you sex with anyone including your hand and will extract a lot of money from you.

If you didn't want your wife to become a prostitute, then why are you yourself trying to encourage prostitution and pass it off as a ‘profession’ which is okay and moral?

To reiterate a question I asked earlier, "What's the point of getting married, then? (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1721037&postcount=36)"

If a spouse wants to be a hooker, they probably shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Part of the point of marriage is reservation of one another to each other. Expecting fulfillment of that pledge is an issue entirely independent of whether or not prostitution should be legal.

It seems people are getting mixed up between what should be legal and what is desirable.

Prostitution is not desirable. It should not be the job choice for men and/or women. There is something inherently a bit seedy and undesirable about a person prostituting him/herself.

All that being said, it should still be legalized. What a person does willingly with his/her body should not be regulated by the government. No person should be forced into prostitution but no person should be forbidden from engaging in it either.

If adults, the key word is adults, willingly engage in sex acts, and the other key word is willingly, it should concern no one but the people involved. Anything people do to themselves or with or to willing partners should concern only the people involved.

I find prostitution distasteful and would never avail myself of the services of a prostitute but that does not mean I desire to see it criminalized. My distaste is a personal emotion and I should not be allowed to force my feelings on others. People have no right to intrude themselves into the lives of others who are not negatively affecting them. The fact that two, three, or more people are having sex with each other, for free or for pay does not impact my life. It is none of my business what other people do with their bodies.

I dissagree that the goverment shouldnt regulate it. It should be just like any job, there are job specific things that need to be regulated for your protection and that of your clients. STD tests for example, protection from violant situations (unless thats what you want to offer and even then you need protection to make sure it doesnt go to far). Futher more social services need to be in place if you want to leave, to check ids and to make sure your not being forced. Then there is tax and super laws, normal OH&S laws, GST ect

Regulate was the wrong word to use. I should have said ban. You are right, regulation would be desirable.

...I cannot understand why anyone would want to be a prostitute...

They are very stupid. They have no self-worth. They deceive themselves into thinking it's only for the money. No one in their right mind thinks it's ok. Then they fill our morgues after they commit suicide from the drugs and guilt. Or when some pimp/john beats them to death. It's a pattern we see over and over again. I have counselled people like this. Every time it has been no self-worth, bad childhood, abuse, etc.:(

Ghost / Kadark, why the big hang up about prostitution? It's not that far removed from the porn industry, is it?

How about young women that work as prostitutes to pay their way through university? Is that such a bad thing to imagine??

If you think about it, isn't it sorta already legal in the USA?
Why do I say this...think about the porn industry for a second.
Girls (and guys) get paid lots of money to have sex with each other while being taped. This is sorta like prostitution at its peak. Do you want a prostitute? Make a film...then its totaly legit.

Also, just about every major city in the US has a listing for Escort services.
Want to do something with a girl, but can't find one who will do it for free? Call an escort service. Many escorts are highly paid prostitutes. If you live in a big city, check your yellow pages under Escort- my guess is you'll find a section for it. If you live in a small town, go to a big city and get a phone book.

I am not saying I do business. Nor am I saying I am for or against it, I seldom take sides. I simply know about it.

To reiterate a question I asked earlier, "What's the point of getting married, then? (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1721037&postcount=36)"

If a spouse wants to be a hooker, they probably shouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Part of the point of marriage is reservation of one another to each other. Expecting fulfillment of that pledge is an issue entirely independent of whether or not prostitution should be legal.


Marriage is not just about sex. It is about settling down with your partner, starting a new life, having children, it’s about love, devotion etc. You can't exactly have these things with a prostitute. Sex with a prostitute is basically sex with no strings attached.

If it weren't for prostitution you nerds would wank yourselves to death!!

Ghost / Kadark, why the big hang up about prostitution? It's not that far removed from the porn industry, is it?


I have issues with both. But I don’t think you can really compare prostitution with the porn industry (though there are similarities).

How about young women that work as prostitutes to pay their way through university? Is that such a bad thing to imagine??


It is a horrible thing to imagine. I have never come across one woman that has had a positive opinion of prostitution, and I seriously doubt any woman would work as a prostitute in order to pay their way through university, the very suggestion would be considered an insult. Can I ask if you have you ever spoken to women about prostitution?

In this thread it has probably just been men that have stated prostitution should be legalised, however its strange that when asked if they would be happy with their own family and friends becoming prostitutes they go all quiet – these are guys that try to pass prostitution off as a respectable profession.

Vega

"If it weren't for prostitution you nerds would wank yourselves to death!!"

How do you know about the dangers of over wanking?

Vega

"If it weren't for prostitution you nerds would wank yourselves to death!!"

How do you know about the dangers of over wanking?
Lost a close buddy during the pornwars!:D

abstinence should be illegal the same way prostitution should be legal

Dragon,

I agree.

Vega,

What are the Pornwars?

Would sexual favors for money or others valuables within a legal marriage be considered as prostition?

Would sexual favors for money or others valuables within a legal marriage be considered as prostition?

I don't think so..

Yes, prostitution should be legal. Who women choose to have sex with, and how they choose to be compensated for it, is their business - and theirs alone.