Well, does he? Let's debate.

Gondolin:

Just to be clear, I take it you wish to argue that God does not exist. Correct?

Would anybody like to volunteer to argue that God exists? (Sandy?)

And will the standard rules be acceptable for this debate?

Thats one of those nagging questions that hurts my head to think about... is there an afterlife? Is there reincarnation? Will I get to see my dead cat in hell? There's just no way to know... :)

Just curious~ Which God are we talking about? The Biblical God, a Pagan God or just the possibilities of a “Super Natural Being” Existing?

Sorry, I'm not debating anyone. Everytime I even say the words "God" or "Jesus Christ" I get warnings. Thanks, but no thanks. :)

Sorry, I'm not debating anyone. Everytime I even say the words "God" or "Jesus Christ" I get warnings. Thanks, but no thanks. :)

Serious? That’s not very fair.

Serious? That’s not very fair.

Serious as a heart attack. I got a whole list of infractions, warnings etc for answering questions. :rolleyes: I learned my lesson: stay out of the religion forum. :rolleyes:

Serious as a heart attack. I got a whole list of infractions, warnings etc for answering questions. :rolleyes: I learned my lesson: stay out of the religion forum. :rolleyes:

So much for equal debate.

Yeah, I quit some time ago. I didn't even debate. I just gave my opinion. Got threatened with banning once for "preaching" by answering someone's question with Biblical answers. :rolleyes:

sandy:

You ought to know that moderation of Formal Debates is much less strict than in other forums. The rules of a Formal Debate are agreed by the participants in advance. In a debate on religion, if the participants think preaching is just fine, then certainly no moderation action will be taken to prevent it.

In my belief God exists, in many other's belief God does exist. The truth exists unique to each individual.

Just for fun, I can argue for the existence of Hindu gods...

Just for fun, I can argue for the existence of Hindu gods...

you don't have to argue. If you truly believe in them, than they do exist.

How the hell do you argue that God exists?

Serious? That’s not very fair.

nah she is gets real preachy which pisses people off

sandy:

You ought to know that moderation of Formal Debates is much less strict than in other forums. The rules of a Formal Debate are agreed by the participants in advance. In a debate on religion, if the participants think preaching is just fine, then certainly no moderation action will be taken to prevent it.

And she still doesn't debate....

How the hell do you argue that God exists?

Never been a member of the high school debate team? Me neither, nevertheless I think it works that way that teams are assigned to sides and they have to argue them regardless of the team's real position on the issue...

Actually, the hardest part is the non-believer's side because it has the catch of 22, proving a negative...

How the hell do you argue that God exists?

By arguing that God can't not exist. ;)

By arguing that God can't not exist. ;)

If I told you that I believed in a magical meatball that rules the universe and that he existed because you could not disprove him, would you still believe me?

If I told you that I believed in a magical meatball that rules the universe and that he existed because you could not disprove him, would you still believe me?

That is not what I said. Read carefully.

That is not what I said. Read carefully.

Opps, I did not notice the double negative (I hate those).

So then, explain to me how god can't not exist.

Wow, it looks like gutsy conservatives like Sandy are actually pretty chicken at formal debates.

Wow, it looks like gutsy conservatives like Sandy are actually pretty chicken at formal debates.

Nope. Gutsy CCR Sandy is staying out of religious arguments so she doesn't get banned. ;)

Nope. Gutsy CCR Sandy is staying out of religious arguments so she doesn't get banned. ;)
No excuses:
sandy:

You ought to know that moderation of Formal Debates is much less strict than in other forums. The rules of a Formal Debate are agreed by the participants in advance. In a debate on religion, if the participants think preaching is just fine, then certainly no moderation action will be taken to prevent it.

Nope. Not doing it. Not that stupid. ;)

Don't hide your light under a bushel.

Proposal to God: Does Sandy exist?

Answer: Based on Chapman-Kolmogorov stochastic process of quantum probability, analysis deducts Sandy's existence to be less likely than God's
existence....

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2517/equationzh0.jpg

Nope. Gutsy CCR Sandy is staying out of religious arguments so she doesn't get banned. ;)

And we appreciate her great fortitude in that endeavor! :)

But given how little we know of the universe, it amazes me how quick we are to preclude the existence of God. I ask is it arrogance to deny the existence of God given how little we know of the universe in which we live?

Nope. Gutsy CCR Sandy is staying out of religious arguments so she doesn't get banned. ;)

Lol, you remind me so much of Anne Coulter, I think you might be her! Her likeness does resemble Christy Brinkley.

I think you really have to admire Sandy's spirit, even if you disagree with her.

Yeah, she is very confident.

Nope. Gutsy CCR Sandy is staying out of religious arguments so she doesn't get banned. ;)

It is a formal debate against one other person. No one is going to ban you. All comments from non-participants will be deleted so you would not even have to reply to them.


:)

Go on Sandy.. You have nothing to fear of being banned. No one will flame you in the debate (again, all non-participant posts will be deleted). All you need to do is be able to back up your argument.:)

Everyone should excuse my bad English (thank you).
Every human should believe in that what he thinks is right for his own self. (Religion or philosophy). I think that its kind difficult to say that we believe in Nature. Nature is existents without question. Everything is “Nature”. Whatever has to do with opinions in religion philosophies or any other philosophy was coming out from humans mind. (We) founded religions, but not the Nature. I think that everything and everybody is just connected together and everything and al is a part of another, but also dependent from each other. Nothing can exist without any kind of power (energy), and this is a mater of fact. –and—this word energy, some people call it God, some other Allah, some other Manitou and some other will have any other word for it.
Its just coming out the main question of the times. …. Where we come from? … what is the reason we are exist and? …. Where we are going? I think I found the answer of this question, without being rude against any philosophy.


Thank you onelinerotter, what is your native tounge?

you don't have to argue. If you truly believe in them, than they do exist.

How about the guy who believes he's Napoleon ? Nice to see that relativism is alive and well.

Proposal to God: Does Sandy exist?

Answer: Based on Chapman-Kolmogorov stochastic process of quantum probability, analysis deducts Sandy's existence to be less likely than God's
existence....

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2517/equationzh0.jpg

I agree. I, too, think Sandy is a nice little number.

But given how little we know of the universe, it amazes me how quick we are to preclude the existence of God. I ask is it arrogance to deny the existence of God given how little we know of the universe in which we live?

So why not have countless gods unicorns or anything else that takes your fancy ?

All you need to do is be able to back up your argument.:)

That's what she's afraid of..

joe,

But given how little we know of the universe, it amazes me how quick we are to preclude the existence of God. I ask is it arrogance to deny the existence of God given how little we know of the universe in which we live?But generally we don't preclude the possibility but primarily express significant skepticsm for claims of baseless actuality. And I think that trend is increasing based very much on our ever growing knowledge of the universe - i.e. the more we look the less we see a need to explain things using a supernatural concept.

I think you really have to admire Sandy's spirit, even if you disagree with her.

Except when the revolution comes she will be killed first.

Seriously, what's her point of inciting hatred and trying unsuccessfully making a point? Smart rich people keep it to themselves instead of playing with the fire and rub in their class advantages...

So why not have countless gods unicorns or anything else that takes your fancy ?

That is a possibility...if you like. But I strongly suspect that by defination God must be greater than anything you or I could possibly understand. God would, by definition be greater than the universe. God would know all the mysteries of the universe and beyound the universe. I have a hard enough time just understanding my small piece of the universe.

* * * * NOTE FROM THE MODERATORS COMMUNITY * * * *Sorry, I'm not debating anyone. Everytime I even say the words "God" or "Jesus Christ" I get warnings. Thanks, but no thanks.Serious? That’s not very fair.Serious as a heart attack. I got a whole list of infractions, warnings etc for answering questions. :rolleyes: I learned my lesson: stay out of the religion forum.So much for equal debate.Yeah, I quit some time ago. I didn't even debate. I just gave my opinion. Got threatened with banning once for "preaching" by answering someone's question with Biblical answers.sandy: You ought to know that moderation of Formal Debates is much less strict than in other forums. The rules of a Formal Debate are agreed by the participants in advance. In a debate on religion, if the participants think preaching is just fine, then certainly no moderation action will be taken to prevent it.nah she is gets real preachy which pisses people offAnd she still doesn't debate....Wow, it looks like gutsy conservatives like Sandy are actually pretty chicken at formal debates.Nope. Gutsy CCR Sandy is staying out of religious arguments so she doesn't get banned. No excuses:Nope. Not doing it. Not that stupid. ;)And we appreciate her great fortitude in that endeavor! :)Lol, you remind me so much of Anne Coulter, I think you might be her! Her likeness does resemble Christy Brinkley.I think you really have to admire Sandy's spirit, even if you disagree with her.Yeah, she is very confident.It is a formal debate against one other person. No one is going to ban you. All comments from non-participants will be deleted so you would not even have to reply to them. Go on Sandy.. You have nothing to fear of being banned. No one will flame you in the debate (again, all non-participant posts will be deleted). All you need to do is be able to back up your argument.That's what she's afraid of..Except when the revolution comes she will be killed first. Seriously, what's her point of inciting hatred and trying unsuccessfully making a point? Smart rich people keep it to themselves instead of playing with the fire and rub in their class advantages...Someone actually filed a complaint with the moderators about this thread, saying, "There's too much..." of something. This software is a little primitive so I couldn't figure out "too much" of what?

But what there is too much of is TAUNTING SANDY. You have invited her to participate in this formal debate and she has declined. There is nothing wrong with that. You may not like it, but it is within her right and it is not a violation of the rules.

You have then gone on to try to goad her into participating, and you have even made sophomoric attempts to analyze her reasons for declining. She has responded politely in every case, which makes her behavior better than yours.

It is not easy for a person to participate in a formal debate about their religion. Religion, by definition, is irrational, since it is a collection of archetypes: instinctive, primitive beliefs that are preprogrammed into our synapses by evolution. You all insist that Sandy will be safe from criticism in this formal debate but you conveniently ignore the rule that a formal debate must be conducted with scrupulous logic--much more scrupulous than on the other SciForums boards. The first time Sandy says something illogical, e.g. "supporting" her hypothesis with a quote from the Bible, you will be all over her like a pack of stoats.

Please desist immediately from this campaign of trying to goad Sandy into participating. You have asked, she has declined, you have asked if she's sure, she has insisted that she is sure. IT IS OVER.

Any further posts along this line are TROLLING and WARNINGS will be issued. Frankly, some of the ones I've seen come pretty close to personal insults too. Wouldn't it be ironic if some of you guys got nailed for rule violations instead of Sandy?

LET IT GO. If the whole purpose of starting this thread was to cajole Sandy into entering enemy territory so you could rip her apart with your superior reasoning skills, you have failed to accomplish it. You might as well close the thread in that case.

I guess people sorta do have an obsession with sandy..

btw, whats a stoat ? and where are they found ?.

Well, does he? Let's debate.
fool,
oh im sorry have i got to behave?
the entire thread shows the ignorance and lack of abiluty at conceptualisation by t starter.

lets debate the exsistence of god
oh puh leeeeeeez

you cannot comprehend the nature of god
it lies outside of your comprehension

Shaytan.:eek: aaaahhhhh.

How can one say definitively that there is no God when we only can see only 5 percent of one Universe? We do not know what 95 percent of our universe is, and many are ready to deny God. Seems kind of premature for all knowing humans to come to that conclusion.
http://science.hq.nasa.gov/universe/science/dark_energy.html

At best you can say you are agnostic. But if you did a T account listing all the reasons/proof for God there would be more than for claims against.

Allah

I tried to find Him on the Christian cross, but He
was not there; I went to the Temple of the
Hindus and to the old pagodas, but I could not
find a trace of Him anywhere.

I searched on the mountains and in the valleys
but neither in the heights nor in the depths was I
able to find Him. I went to the Ka'bah in Mecca,
but He was not there either.

I questioned the scholars and philosophers but
He was beyond their understanding.

I then looked into my heart and it was there
where He dwelled that I saw Him; He was
nowhere else to be found.

Science and Faith

Once Science said to Faith:

"My eye can see all that is in this world;
The Entire world is within my net.
I am only concerned with material things,
What have I to do with spiritual matters?
I can strike a thousand melodies,
And openly proclaim all the secrets that I learn."

Faith said:

"With your magic even the waves in the sea are set ablaze,
You can pollute the atmosphere with foul, poisonous gases.
When you associated with me, you were light,
When you broke off from me, your light became fire.
You were of Divine origin,
But you have been caught in the clutches of Shaytan.
Come, make this wasteland a garden once again.
Borrow from me a little of my ecstasy,
And in the world set up a paradise.
From the day of creation we have been associates,
We are the low and high tunes of the same melody."

Give it a rest because you are just boring.

I guess people sorta do have an obsession with sandy.I understand, but we're scientists here and we're supposed to know how to handle problems scientifically. If you think someone is being foolish (or whatever) the way to demonstrate the superiority of your own system of discourse is NOT to be foolish yourself! Dispute her premises, identify flaws in her reasoning, challenge her evidence, discredit her sources... call the whole thing an extraordinary assertion and demand extraordinary substantiation if it's serious enough. Dissect an entire argument and show that the scientific method has been violated or even flouted.

But don't get personal! Okay?btw, whats a stoat ? and where are they found?.The stoat is a species of weasel, Mustela erminea, a member of the mustelid family of carnivores which also includes the mink, otters, ferrets, badgers, polecats, the wolverine, martens, the tayra and the fisher. Stoats are found in almost all of the artic, subarctic, and colder northern temperate regions of the continents of the Northern Hemisphere, and were very recently introduced to New Zealand where they have wrought havoc on the ecosystem. (An ill-advised attempt to solve the ecological problem caused by the equally foolish introduction of rabbits.)

Stoats have lovely brown fur which molts and is replaced by a snowy white pelt in the winter. During that season they are known as ermines and are hunted for their hide.

In the USA and Canada the stoat is usually called the short-tailed weasel.

I would be curious to see sandy debating. I've never seen her use logic and reason... :scratchin:

I would be curious to see sandy debating. I've never seen her use logic and reason... :scratchin:

And I've never seen you use kindness or consideration when addressing me so I will not be debating you or anyone else.

...* * * * NOTE FROM THE MODERATORS COMMUNITY * * * LET IT GO. If the whole purpose of starting this thread was to cajole Sandy into entering enemy territory so you could rip her apart with your superior reasoning skills, you have failed to accomplish it. You might as well close the thread in that case.

Thank you. :)

***Lock this thread already*** Sandy did say no and so this thread is no longer of use.....the end.

And I've never seen you use kindness or consideration when addressing me so I will not be debating you or anyone else.
Yeah.... I know I can be an asshole when talking with people like you...

Meh... I'm not perfect. Only God is... :shrug:

That is truth

[B]* * * * NOTE FROM THE MODERATORS COMMUNITY * * * *

So why isn't the thread locked? :shrug:

She was asked, she declined, case closed....

Another moderator message:

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