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eddie monkey
03-07-03, 09:21 PM
Define "propaganda."

hypewaders
03-07-03, 09:39 PM
Propaganda- information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions

Why not look it up yourself?

eddie monkey
03-07-03, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by hypewaders
Why not look it up yourself?

Because I would like to have a debate on it, and I need to see what other people think it is in order to do so.

Propaganda- information, ideas, opinions or images, often only giving one part of an argument, which are broadcast, published or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions

How is propaganda different from campaigning, or just arguing for your case on something?

hypewaders
03-07-03, 09:47 PM
"often only giving one part of an argument" causes, when presented repetitiously enough to an uninformed public, a distorted view of reality, that is of the successful propagandists' choosing. This can motivate large groups of people to do what they rationally would not otherwise do.

Campaigning or arguing a case with the wellbing of the public in mind does not require propaganda- the undistorted truth is better.

“It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

-Hermann Goering

The Marquis
03-07-03, 09:50 PM
Yes, it would be better. Pity we never see that. From either perspective.

hypewaders
03-07-03, 09:52 PM
Yes (the truth would be better). Sorry, I slipped the Goering quote in on you while you were posting.

immane1
03-07-03, 09:53 PM
propaganda=the stuff hypewaders spews

Just kidding Hype. I actually respect your opinions. It is refreshing to debate with someone of your caliber. You probably do not feel the same about me but that's ok.

Propaganda, as used in the past century seems to stretch the truth or completely bypass it in order to garner ones support.

eddie monkey
03-07-03, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by hypewaders
"often only giving one part of an argument"

Doesn't a good arguement only include the points supporting the position the arguer is making?

causes, when presented repetitiously enough to an uninformed public, a distorted view of reality, that is of the successful propagandists' choosing. This can motivate large groups of people to do what they rationally would not otherwise do.

How can we know what they would do rationally?

I still do not see the difference between "propaganda" and "making a case." Perhaps if you gave your definition of "making a case" we could compare and contrast them.

hypewaders
03-07-03, 10:00 PM
Propagandists can manipulate fear to produce behavior that contradicts the facts.

In "making a case", fear mongering is not considered credible, and yes, facts must support the argument dispassionately.

Immane1, I respect you. Of course quite a bit more, when you rise to such flattery.:D

hypewaders
03-07-03, 10:05 PM
"Doesn't a good arguement only include the points supporting the position the arguer is making?"

I think that is basically true- and also debunking (attacking) the opposing argument with supportable ideas.

shadows
03-07-03, 10:24 PM
depends on perspective. It is only easy to drag the people along if you control what they see and know exactly how they will interrept information before them. It seems alot now that public opinion drives the leadership. Not the leadership driving the people to create a new level of acheivement and good fortune for future generations.

In my opinion propoganda is persuasion. It is needed to make the population see what is needed to be done. When used properly it is a knife that cuts through the preconceptions of the people and holds them in awe and what they are seeing.