Well...I thought it would be really difficult to get concrete evidence for the existence of a contact between human civilization and space aliens. Not so, just a stroll through a local museum and the audacity to take pictures (it was strictly forbidden to take pictures for obvious reasons!).

here are they
http://www.spuriousmonkey.com/pics/ufo1.jpg

and

http://www.spuriousmonkey.com/pics/ufo2.jpg

These are genuine ancient INCA artifacts. A long time before there were airplanes and such.

The truth is out there. And spuriousmonkey brought it to you in a convenient package.

http://www.spuriousmonkey.com/pics/alienspaceships.gif

aside from your slueth abilities i think it might be worth noting that the items show a tail fin
which would assumedly be of use only in an atmosphere...
just a thought :)

aside from your slueth abilities i think it might be worth noting that the items show a tail fin
which would assumedly be of use only in an atmosphere...
just a thought :)

1. Aha, are you saying then that they are just aircraft released by the mothership for closer reconnoissance of the planet.

2. Or since the flying craft were clearly decorated in a manner which would appease humans they might have been specially constructed craft which purpose it is to make contact with the indigenous planetary population?

If those pictures are genuinely of Inca artefacts, then they're pretty amazing. At least they look like flying machines if not exactly spaceships. Which museum were they in?

If those pictures are genuinely of Inca artefacts, then they're pretty amazing. At least they look like flying machines if not exactly spaceships. Which museum were they in?

Forgot the name of the museum, but it is the one in Bremen next to the railway station.

this was the description

http://www.spuriousmonkey.com/pics/museum.gif

Quote from some website:

A photographic survey by the Peruvian Air Force of the arid tablelands of Nasca showed a network of lines and geometrical figures on the ground as far as the eye can see. The lines were made by human hands by removing darker stones from the soil and exposing the lighter inner layer - an undertaking that must have taken years to complete. There are contours of animals and birds besides triangles and trapezoids. Most of the lines run in such a way that there is no connection between them and the more recent Inca roads. The area covered by these markings is vast, it covers hundreds of square kilometers. The age of the Nasca patterns was estimated to be at least 1500 years. The Indians say the giant pictures on the ground were made by another race before the advent of the Incas. The designs and lines can be seen from the air only at an altitude of over 350 metres - for who were these markings intended?

The designs and lines can be seen from the air only at an altitude of over 350 metres - for who were these markings intended?

Yeah, and just who was I envisaging was going to read my name when I wrote it in ten foot high letters by dragging a stick across the sand when was a kid?

You did it for fun or because you were bored, you didn't work like a navvy, with hundreds or maybe thousands of others for years and years to create something that could never be comprehended on the ground now did ya?

Estimates of how long these designs would take to make are not necessarily accurate...

And those little Inca artifacts look like bird/fish to me. The Incas were pretty imaginative artists.

The Nasca lines are thought by those who have studied them for a long time to have been paths followed during certain religious rituals. They have nothing to do with aliens.

I find the non-alien explanation here to be very far fetched. It's obvious the objects are representations of aircrafts, especially in combination with the existance of the Nasca lines.

But why should it be aliens? There may have been advanced civilisations in prehistoric times that are now lost under the sea, even under ancient forests. It wouldn't be unfeasible for some of that technology and a few of its people to have hung around for a while and travelled a bit as well, until that, also got lost.

I can't prove it, but my gut tells me that humans have been around for much longer than researchers claim.

Yes, it could be that too, but those other people ( the narrow minded, you know...) wouldn't beleive that either.

Yes: The Nazca lines are generally pictures of animals... why can't the little gold statues be pictures of animals? The art of the various Central/South American cultures is better evidence for their ingenuity and imagination than it is for their contact with extraterrestrials. (Although I think Spurious would be very pleased to know that the aliens had a spacecraft that looked like a monkey.) Oh, by the way, I have no problem with the idea of undiscovered civilizations.

Tablariddim: The claim that the Nazca lines only make sense from the air and could only be made with the help of aircraft is idiotic. These lines could have been accomplished using a map and a series of evenly marked intervals, which would subdivide a region into small squares that could be "viewed from the air" by standing up. By referring between individual squares and a coherent map, a single person could easily make a giant glyph on the ground that looked much like the diagram. This may not be the method that they used, but if I can think of a method they probably could too... they were pretty smart.

James R: Religious observances, I like that.
Father: Sputli! That is the tenth time you put vision drugs in Grandma's tea! Go out and walk around the monkey three times!

Studying the large photo, it looks like some sort of stylised animal/ bird thingy, maybe it's meant to depict some sort of god or mythical creature. What is rather interesting though, is that they also have a tail fin, which means that their creators must have known something about the mechanics of flight.

I think riple said the thing about tail fins at the beginning of the thread. Anyway, fish have tail fins.

I find the non-alien explanation here to be very far fetched.

This one really made me laugh.

I can't prove it, but my gut tells me that humans have been around for much longer than researchers claim.

If humans would have been during dinosaurs time and were just begining to have hot air ballons, most of the proof would have gone by now, except gold artifacts.

You're welcome, James R.

Supposedly there were remblings that the incas themselves could fly. There is a mountain in the Andes, that had a slope facing the sky, with conteurs, then it ends. The theory is that they used that to sling shot into the sky. No I am not making this up, but I cannot find a link because I read it in a magazine, which showed Inca drawing of those planes. Seriously something to think about. Also I believe in Egypt there is a dipiction of a actual flying saucer, freaky stuff.

Incas could have used hang gliders since that does not depend on internal combustion engine. Having a plane is not an issue to imagine until one tries to find a powerplant to do the work. I do not think, Incas had any metal engine to put out the horse power necessary not a natural helium gas processing plant for ballon type products.

I started this thread of course as satire. But apperently I presented unrefutable evidence. Now I have to leave my position as a skeptic and become a believer.

Oh my Alien God, what have I done!!??!!

You naughty monkey! BTW, it's spelt irrefutable.

You naughty monkey! BTW, it's spelt irrefutable.


Let the spelling police come to my house now and put me in jail.

ps. haha...I'm at work...

You sure got all the angles covered.

i. And the Alien Lord spake unto the tiny monkey;
ii. And he was known to say unto that one, "Lo, for thou hast given knowledge of My mighty works to those guys;
iii. "Yea, and taken flash photography in contravention of museum rules, and given the unclean photographs to the undeserving masses;
iv. "Your punishment will be really large.
v. "On the first day hence, shalt thou be probed.
vi. "On the day after shalt thou be probed again.
vii. "On the third and fourth day also, shalt thou be probed.
viii. "Truly, thou shalt be probed until I get tired of probing thee.
ix. "So get comfy and get thy pants down."
x. And the tiny monkey covered his face with his blaspheming hands, and was heard to say, "Eek!"

I didn't flash. So that makes it ok then?

(I was not allowed to take pictures at all, with or without flash.)

i. And the Alien Lord spake unto the tiny monkey;
ii. And he was known to say unto that one, "Lo, for thou hast given knowledge of My mighty works to those guys;
iii. "Yea, and taken flash photography in contravention of museum rules, and given the unclean photographs to the undeserving masses;
iv. "Your punishment will be really large.
v. "On the first day hence, shalt thou be probed.
vi. "On the day after shalt thou be probed again.
vii. "On the third and fourth day also, shalt thou be probed.
viii. "Truly, thou shalt be probed until I get tired of probing thee.
ix. "So get comfy and get thy pants down."
x. And the tiny monkey covered his face with his blaspheming hands, and was heard to say, "Eek!"

Ask your Alien God.

Ask your Alien God.

He said it was ok if I destroy mankind before the week is over.

So much for benevolent.

Anyone can get lost...





http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/starmap3.jpg

Did you create that, Don? It's really good!

Don posts these pictures all the time... check out his stuff in the <a href="http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=27162">picture contest</a> thread.

Anyone can get lost...


my question is: would these big eyes of the aliens fit in their eyesockets in the skull and still leave room for a brain?

Are aliens night creatures?

Or did they have trouble evolving a decently efficient eye?

Or did they have trouble evolving a decently efficient eye?

I bet you just like on our planet there is a movement on growing penis and breasts, a lot of spammers probably have a growth industry there too for the eyes! :D

Perhaps it's because they aren't eyes but are actually motion sensors, as the aliens are androids.

Just some questions for you Bishop;
are you good or bad?
Do you still work for "The company"?

Perhaps it's because they aren't eyes but are actually motion sensors, as the aliens are androids.


Or mondroids


http://www.spuriousmonkey.com/pics/spuriousmonkey6.gif

Simu-simians?

Not to sound like a crazy man, but did anyone else notice that those artifacts had delta wings?

JD

Probably... two seperate people noted that "They had tail fins, which indicates that they had some knowledge of the mechanics of flight."

I still think they look like fish ta me.

Just to screw the whole thing up even more, I'll summarize a bit from Aldous Huxley's Jesting Pilate; it would take me a while to find a proper citation, so ....

• At any rate, Huxley commented on a curious habit in India of claiming lost eras in which technologies and philosophies arising elsewhere in the world were once extant on the subcontinent. A reasonably well-educated man told him with a straight face about a maharajah who used to fly off in hot-air balloons to a land far to the east, across a vast ocean.

I don't recall why exactly, but at the time, I was struck by the notion of Nazca.

Of course, given some of the pharmacology offered us by nature, there is a compelling but disorganized and extended argument that might suggest the phantasmic representations handed down from various precolombian American cultures--especially Central and South America--are, in fact, inspired from within. I know I've seen the world so askew on mushrooms that I can't rule out my mind accidentally constructing a potential reality that I am not equipped to perceive and assimilate.

A Bradbury story comes to mind, but I can't remember the title. And even then, why it comes to mind is obscure, as well. Strike that. Two stories. The first is about a Chinese emperor and an airplane. The second is Dandelion Wine, and Leo Auffman's Happiness Machine (as I believe it's called)--in that case, Bradbury may well have been describing the internet.

I believe in the "ancient civilization that had flight" theory. Just ask anyone living in india about the ancient vimanas etc. Google it, you'll get the picture...

Vimanas (http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/oldufos/vimanas.html) - this should do for starters.

I know I've seen the world so askew on mushrooms that I can't rule out my mind accidentally constructing a potential reality that I am not equipped to perceive and assimilate.

:D :eek: :D

Vimanas - this should do for starters.

yep that'll do... Cheers for the legwork T. I'd do it myself but I'm in CBF mode tonight :m:

Leo Auffman's Happiness Machine
Is that anything like the Infernal Desire Machines of Dr. Hoffman?

Is that anything like the Infernal Desire Machines of Dr. Hoffman?Not ... really. I'm looking for my copy of the book to cite the text, but Bradbury describes it in a way that you can quite easily imagine someone turning their brain to cheese sitting in front of their computer surfing porn all day. Essentially it was a booth that could create illusions according to your desires. The unforutnate Leo Auffman thought that happiness could be manufactured.

Incidentally, the story I couldn't recall is simply called, "The Flying Machine," was published in 1953 .

Well, I can attest that according to the Sci-Fi channel's "In Search Of..." experts have not been able to match the artifacts to any known species of animal from that time or location. They actually made radio-controlled airplane replicas of the things, and they flew perfectly. Granted, they were made out of todays materials and had engines, but still, the aerodynamics of the trinket work for flight.

I don't have any clue as to what they're supposed to represent, but a couple of notes:

1) I've never seen "fish" written anywhere in relation to those artifacts.

2) I wouldn't say that they were spaceships, or airplanes, simply because there is no evidence of a power source, but something like a hang glider could be an option. I don't think it's out of the question to say the incas made use of them or something of the sort. We should at least keep an open mind.

JD

can i get the copy of the book "Vymaanika Shaastra - Aeronautics , Maharishi Bharadwaja; Subbaya Sastry; Translated in to English by G.R.Josyer, International Academy of Sanskrit Research, Mysore-4, 1973.
do do my research :)

Monkey, that is a great couple pics. Don't know why you thought it was funny, but your subconcious must have led you to a little open-mindedness.

I just find it interesting that every one of those models display similar wing structure. Instead of a typical bird painting or model where the wings are portraying motions of flapping, these all show a glide and an obvious jet structure. Now, the tailfins aren't something I usually see in paintings of birds, but maybe the Incas were experimenting with the notion of interbreading fish with birds.

hehe

Haven't there been vast plains of granulated glass in the sands of the Middle East and India; possibly from the use of atomics or alien craft landing.

However Granulated Glass could quite easily be generated by the temperature that sand gets to with the sun overhead, imagine years of climate changes are bound to take effect, since I know that walking across sand in the midday sun on an extremely hot day is not viable barefoot.

oooooops? Stryder!?

"Glass". World Book Encyclopedia 2000 ed.Chicago,IL. World Book Inc. 2000: Page. 215
"Melting: The mixture melts at 2600-2900 °F (1425-1600 °C) depending on its composition"

Norval, Thats glass thats made for fabrication.
My suggestion of the sand in question is that it potential either has salt crystals mixed in, or that crystals have formed when ever there is moisture evaporated, which gives the appearance of glass like granuals.

Admittedly I didn't explain that very well previously.
There is also the influence of refraction and even magnification based on granuals increasing the focus of sun light.

Melting point of salt (NaCl) 800.8° C (1,473.4° F).
:D

but still, the aerodynamics of the trinket work for flight.You can make anything fly with a big enough engine and an unbalanced center of gravity.

That doesn't really say anything about the original image, because no method of propoulsion was shown...

To me, they don't look much like aircraft at all. They look like fish-birds. Notice the eyes?

And the obvious question is: are they really Inca artifacts?

Melting point of salt (NaCl) 800.8° C (1,473.4° F).

FieryIce, while not advocating Stryder's theory, I feel compelled to point out to you that sodium chloride evaporite deposits do not require temperatures of 800 degrees centigrade to form. They occur due precipitation of the salt due to evaporation and relative concentration of the solution.

I do think she well knows that Faulty, besides this is about melted glass in a deasert, not sodium chloride evaporitive crystals.

can i get the copy of the book "Vymaanika Shaastra - Aeronautics , Maharishi Bharadwaja; Subbaya Sastry; Translated in to English by G.R.Josyer, International Academy of Sanskrit Research, Mysore-4, 1973.
do do my research

http://www.seekerbooks.com/images/atlantis/related/vaadcp.gif

Try this one (http://www.seekerbooks.com/atlantis/related/)

heh
i dont think the skeptics have yet caught on to how the book came in to existence
cracks me up