I appoligize for my lack of photshop skills as I have only photshop'd
sorta since the rover landed. I slide the little lever over till it looks good
But the pro's do it scientifically and many of these photo's once enhanced
by the likes of keith Laney of KeithLaney.com and others like him they will be even clearer.

Most of these Tif's are fiction created by NASA...But don't take my word for it!
Do your own homework. Cheap LCD monitors wont cut it for seeing detail.

Don't allow the Negative posters here to antagonize you .Once their added to you ignore list, reading is much more enjoyable..

The word edit equals alter, paintover pasteover clipout etc. but not putting seams of the mosaic together thats a different subject.

These arrows indicate types of areas to look for edits .
Any area that has a darker or lighter color is an edit
Any area that appears like a dirt mound is an edit
Any time an object looks half covered with dust ..it's an edit
http://www.longislandlan.com/how.jpg

Example of NASA editing

This first Image shows the white patch im looking at.

http://www.longislandlan.com/main.jpg
This is a closeup untouched
http://www.longislandlan.com/b.jpg
This shows same patch with color and brightness/contrast enhancements "only" I think it's Nasa covering up living snakes.. (my guess)

http://www.longislandlan.com/a.jpg


http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA05117.tif

Location of finds

http://www.longislandlan.com/mainpia5117.jpg

Appears to be a strange rock holding a weapon

http://www.longislandlan.com/next1.jpg
Again no editing I used lasso to outline it and clip image
http://www.longislandlan.com/next7.jpg

Appears rover Lost an arm !

http://www.longislandlan.com/next6.jpg

Actually this arm is still attached to the object to the left but has been seperated by Nasa's paintjob.

http://www.longislandlan.com/next2.jpg


It Appears Rover Landed on a small toy robot by size estimizing! It has eyes ears nose and hair as well as 2 metal brackets with holes for a neck It's on the far left side of this photo. The photo is busy and there are many anomalies here but focus on left . it's body is under the lander

http://www.longislandlan.com/next8.jpg


Mars appears to have very strange geology and rock formation
There are more anomolies here but they have been semi painted out
http://www.longislandlan.com/next3.jpg


I won't say what this looks like they will lock me up!
ok it looks like a garden jockey

http://www.longislandlan.com/next10.jpg
http://www.longislandlan.com/next9.jpg

Feel free to count both his 5 toes or five fingers of his right hand!
http://www.longislandlan.com/resting.jpg

If you can see the bones in this light photo you can imagine how many bodies are here and painted out.
http://www.longislandlan.com/6.jpg
Too me it appears to be a human baby's face but slightly broken like fossilised rock.

http://www.longislandlan.com/5.jpg
This is without a doubt an arm with a square implant under skin and insignia
Pardon Nasa but they didnt paint it out just seperated the fingers and painted
it so it look like it went down.
http://www.longislandlan.com/gripofdeath.jpg
Every square inch of this image has anomalies the ones you see and the spaces in between are the ones you don't.

http://www.longislandlan.com/1.jpg
This Picture also has anomalies in every square inch of this image the ones you see and the spaces in between are the ones you don't.

http://www.longislandlan.com/alienbattle.jpg
All above from tif below
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA05102.tif
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA05117.tif
I consider New TIF to be quite Interesting, to say the least.
What happened here was it a war geological devastion? Soldiers or farmers ?
other sites to check out
http://www.enterprisemission.com/
Welcome to the real world!

What the hell are you talking about? It's just more rocks. If you're talking about the aparent right angle, that's an illusion made by two rocks that happen to be sitting right next to eachother, I find it highly unlikely that you wouldn't see a single fucking hard angle while staring dementedly at a bunch of pictures of rocks all day looking for "The TRUTH!" all the frigin' time.

And what the heck is with those lines you made for the arrows? I know that drawing with a mouse is hard, but could your hands possably be any less steady? You were up all night drinking coffe and stairing at every square inch of that picture, weren't you? Come on, admit it, you're just a little obsessed, and very dilusional.

That stone, if that's indeed what it is, looks oddly smooth. The only way to achieve that level of smoothness is if it's been eroded. Maybe proof of water on Mars?

That stone, if that's indeed what it is, looks oddly smooth. The only way to achieve that level of smoothness is if it's been eroded. Maybe proof of water on Mars?

Or violent dust storms over millenia. Water _isn't_ the 'only way'. Think before you post, eh?

So we have some 'internet nuts' thinking straight edges are weird, and others thinking rounded objects are weird. Maybe both factions should read a bit more about geology.

How on earth did you discover the crop?

Well I know NASA was looking for a method of increasing their Budget,
Why don't they start FINEING HOAXERS?

So I've downloaded the .tif, and had a good look at it at high zoom, and guess what?

It's a rock, and there are NO signs of alteration.

Of course, this fluid gimp thinks that NASA can make a probe and send it all the way to Mars, but making convincing fake photos is beyond them, and he can spot their mistakes. Now that is funny.

Fluid, doesn't it just suck being you? Your new nickname is little bitch. Start taking your meds again....oh wait I wouldn't get it...I'm ignorant. :rolleyes:

Whats is it blocking and why ?

Even more interesting is the image the estimable R. Hoagland found at http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/Spirit/shell.jpg. Clear evidence of aliens on Mars. Fortunately, the aliens, shown here http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/st--2x51.jpg, where defeated by the mysterious alien in the foreground.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA04995.tif

Please learn the proper use of the UBB URL tag, Thusly (http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA04995.tif)

More importantly, why are they covering stuff up on earth?!?

See the attached picture. It's the wheel of an alien craft on earth... but they erased the rest of the vehicle!!!!!!!! Those BASTARDS!

This is a bigger problem than you though!

Please save the children.

Why, if they are covering up the horrible truth about what is going on on mars, does NASA insist on sending pricy space probes to make it clear (to some people) that they are covering things up? I mean, dosnt it make more sence to cover something up by trying to hide it rather than spending billions of dollars to go and take pictures of it? Or MAYBE they do it just to make me ask these kinds of questions in my snide self assured tone?

Also I downloaded the big tif there, looked at your pictures, looked at the big tiff, read your descriptions, looked back at the tiff. I cant really see what you are talking about? what looks cut off where?

Thed,
the mysterious alien in the foreground seems, intriguingly, to be made entirely of wood... could you explain further?

Thed,
the mysterious alien in the foreground seems, intriguingly, to be made entirely of wood... could you explain further?

I hate to call Patrick Troughton (http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/st--2v15.jpg) a wooden actor. Assuming you mean the Ice Warrior in the background, the most likely explanation is the famously bad BBC SFX department , bad scans and early B&W TV. You too can make a cult TV series on less than £3000 per half hour episode.

Boggling you doesn't really seem to take much. Hell, you are confused by rocks.

Well considering you have yet to explain what was special about all those rocks, you are still just a nut. If something is actually special about them, you should be able to explain it.

I can somewhat see the rectangle that you're talking about. Persol, what picture is the "wheel" in?

I can somewhat see the rectangle that you're talking about. Persol, what picture is the "wheel" in?It's in one of the other threads this guy decided to spam with. Here's the link:
http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2423
Basically, he posted a picture of some place on earth and said "Do you see rocks that look like these." Unfortunately for him, the answer was "Yes" and I put them all together. What he is doing is nothing different than looking for shapes in clouds.

Well considering you have yet to explain what was special about all those rocks, you are still just a nut. If something is actually special about them, you should be able to explain it.

Can't you see it? It's the shapes in them. Admittedly you have to stare at them for over 2 hours straight before you see the shapes. You may find you go a little dizzy and eyesite blurs as well. My kids thought I had gone completely batty. Oh! wait!

Ohhhh... let me take my glasses off and try again.

Cool, it's a duck! *quack quack*

Or violent dust storms over millenia. Water _isn't_ the 'only way'. Think before you post, eh?

Allow me to retort; no. Why don't you stop posting? I don't even use the quick reply, I hate the quick reply. Why don't you read the forum description?

I'm allowed to be paranoid!

That's not scientific. You have an area without rocks. OF COURSE it's going to have a higher luminosity. Do the same thing with the picture of earth you posted. You'll get similar results in areas.

That rock could have been a skull.

Persol you have demonstrated nothing but the ability to flap your mouth.
Well I've also demonstrated the ability to shoot down your delusional claims. You still haven't responded to my questions about why you think those rocks look like something else.

You are repetitive rude and ignorant.
You have several threads which all say the same thing. Now THATS repetitive. I also think you mistake humor for rudeness and ignorance. Hell, if I can't laugh at you who can I laugh at?

What two identical objects? If you are that convinced present a blow up of what you actually think is blown up. All you have are 2 pictures, one of which has a grey square.

Actually the rover does have a camera for looking at objects closely, like examining rocks. However I'm sure they will just find rocks, more rocks and perhaps a few rocks in the coming mission.

Lets just hope the rover, can rove, otherwise it might get stuck because of the rock. Especially since they'll be no native marsmonkeys to help NASA out of the scrape.

All you have are 2 pictures, one of which has a grey square.

Oooohh, I love the game of Spot the Difference. Can I play too?

What I see is 3 black dots in both pictures. 2 are nominally the same due to resolution limits. They could be just about anything.

Just to the rear is what appears to be an aircraft hangar sitting on a circular trackway. Surprised Mr. Fluidonthebrain hasn't seen that as well. Maybe I'm being too openminded here.

Fluid, simply enough, it is called the burden of proof. And you don't have any. Give it up.

I don't believe I even took the time to do this.
http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2447&stc=1
This is a zoom in of both objects. You will see no resemblence between the rocks (except for being smooth), or between the ground in front of them.

Now ONCE AGAIN, if you do see a resemblence, you must EXPLAIN what is the same. Saying that a cloud looks like a duck doesn't make it a duck.

Hey Fluid, you could have a valid point no doubt. I know what you think about those spheres. We think a whole lot of chit is going down, check this out about the possible war evidence we have been researching. http://www.craterchains.com/ns/nspage.html

Disinformation Agents
Has anyone else noticed that certain topics seem to get attacked, made fun of, lied about openly, ignored, and attempts are continuously being made to disrupt or change the topic? We have noticed another “pattern” besides crater chains. BBS and forum’s boards are full of these agents that are there to keep us from learning about some things. The methods used form a pattern which can be found by reading that “persons” posts from many threads.
This is why I wont respond in this thread, only by email.

I admit it, I work for NASA. I know where you live. If you do not silence yourself we will.

Ok... maybe not.... but we will point out the flaws in your claims at every turn.

Claiming what and idiotic post and that he will let it drop to depths that it belonged . Yet he relentlessly posted and babbled ( he has since went back and removed many of these negative posts)Lol, I did what? Your pictures were rocks. I pointed this out to you. I removed nothing after the fact, as I had no reason to.
People like Persol must be educated just the same. For i'ts is in the majority that things can change.Yes, PLEASE educate me. Part of getting educated is asking questions. I've done that. You have yet to answer. So, yet again:
1) What is remarkable about those rocks/fragments that you claim they are not be natural? Why are they any different then the rocks I showed you to demonstrate?
2) What is similar in the picture above, of which I've presented you a larger photo?

The point is that you have been completely unable to explain your position. If you can not explain your position, I have to doubt whether you actually understand your position.

so when does the ... "this is the last post i make on this thread" occur?

:rolleyes:

eh persol?

Considering I didn't say that in this thread, I'm guessing whenever I stop laughing at fluid's delusions.

It always amazes me how predictably consistent the ufo/conspiracy nutters are to emerge anytime NASA does anything in public. The more significant the public event, the more extraordinary the claim.

There was nothing obvious in the NASA photos that suggested anything more than rocks and erosion. There may have been some similarities in the "two rocks," but many more points of difference. Besides, one should expect the morphology of rocks in the same environment to be similar since they are likely to be exposed to the same erosional forces and of the same mineral content.

Why find a better photo? The photo's you provided and linked to are clear enough.

You appear to be the only person that sees something other than rocks.

Besides... there's no need to silence your "idiotic beleifs," they are effectively canceled out by your colorful prose.

1) What is remarkable about those rocks/fragments that you claim they are not be natural? Why are they any different then the rocks I showed you to demonstrate?
2) What is similar in the picture above, of which I've presented you a larger photo?

fluid1959 - answer these questions, please.

And the rebuke of your claim that is the most rational - they are just rocks. There is no evidence supporting otherwise.

go show me a better photo that will silence my idiotic beleifs once and for all... And clearly disputes my claims

But what are your claims, kook? You keep posting images of rocks and hint they are not, with footnotes attacking any who disagree with you.

A rocks a rock a rock.

Before you claim I am mindlessly defending NASA, bear in mind I'm not American and have need to defend the American National Aeronautical Space Agency. Not my country, not my agency.

Let me try the scientific approach

http://www.longislandlan.com/lumin2.jpg

The data is even more astounding using smaller samples and
measuring from left to right as you go over the added area. But I'm not reloading excel.

Sorry, what does the 'data' tell you exactly? Your method is flawed anyway, I can see that instantly. You have cut up a picture into equal sized rectangles, when to make sure the same area of ground is under each section, they should be cut according to the perspective in the picture, ie, leading to a point on the horizon, larger in the foreground, smaller towards the vanishing point.

So you've gathered some meaningless data via a spurious method, and have the gall to call it 'science'. Making schoolboy mistakes like this is why nobody who actually paid attention is science class takes you seriously!

The data is even more astounding using smaller samples and
measuring from left to right as you go over the added area. But I'm not reloading excel.

You do realize that writing in the luminosity that photoshop detected doesn't imply anything, right?

But, you were probably trying to infer that a gradient means something. Yes, I see that you put numbers there in about equal rectangles. So what? You have shown nothing. Or have you. Explain it.

What are your claims? Say them straight out. "I think that..." or "I think the images I have put forth shows that..." Just tell us. You are being unclear, which is a method of kooks. You don't want to be a kook, do you?

"What is remarkable about those rocks/fragments that you claim they are not be natural?" Answer.

Regardless of our "vision" being able to see it, just tell us what you think.

And please fully answer these questions before the excessive ad hom. attacks. They don't help your credibility.

Better still, perform the same experiment with luminosity on other photos from other Mars missions as well as photos of various landscapes in Earthbound locations. As a photographer, I would expect a cline in luminosity from the horizon to the foreground. Much as fluid demonstrated on the Mars rover picture.

So you claim ONLY that the photos have been tampered with, but speculate that there are living beings on Mars?

Before you were claiming that the rocks were bones, skulls, and other artifacts of living creatures, and that this was obvious.

When did your claim change?

EDIT: Just in case anyone is wondering why this and the proceeding post don't seem to make sense, there used to be a post just after this one by fluid saying "Show me where I said those things - I don't remember saying them."

Since you're gonna be a dick about it.

fluid1959 said:
Well they may be rocks.. but my guess is probably not.

I have many nasa tif 's in the 50-70 mb range. They show many artifacts immediately around the craft. And Possible bones/ skulls etc..

Nasa has requested all school children to send rocks to nasa. To help them figure out what these rocks are made of. Because most of the rocks dont match any known origin.

And we should find out very shortly.

Please note all images showing a red mars have been adjusted by nasa to appear that way. This little rover is going to make many big mouths close .. shortly

There are artifacts here.. And we have the abilitiy to scientifically discern that.

Unless some mysterious thing happens to the rover in the next day or 2 . The Paradigm shift will arrive shortly.

And that is what my crystal balls are telling me !

In case anyone remembers you posting this in the other thread.

Interestingly it claims that all of us are going to be wowed by the proof of alien presence everywhere, and that "big mouths were going to close". Well you were wrong on both counts 'cause I don't see any aliens anywhere but your big mouth is still flapping.

I guess NASA pulled the rug out from under you again.

P.S. Feigning ignorance of your own words makes you a big fucking loser.

EDIT: To defend himself against my accusations of intellectual dishonesty, fluid has removed quite a few of his posts. It's rather frustrating, but still serves to demonstrate the dishonesty of his approach.
Two can play the editing game.

I just can't figure out how we all missed this!

:cool:

You know, it amazes me - the depths of intellectual dishonesty you are willing to sink to. You are willing to put a sentence into one of your posts like:
The Paradigm shift will arrive shortly.

And then a couple of days later state that because you said "I guess" or "I think" or "maybe" ever before in your life, that all of the shit that you've spouted since then was just idle speculation and is therefore ABOVE QUESTION, and that you are justified in defending it as a reasonable position. This, of course, is when you're not, Reagan-like, feigning ignorance of your moronic past statements.

Then, after your original foundation of pathetic lies has been laid down, you start posting pictures of Mars that you hacked your mother into with Photoshop, and put some caption like

my mother on mars Persol is a retard

which serves to underline your idiocy!

They are wrong... you are not delusional... you are just a piece of shit. I feel sorry for the UFO types who actually believe you. I may not like them much, but they deserve better than you.

you start posting pictures of Mars that you hacked your mother into with
LMFAO. So you imagine that those rocks are covering up UFOs, so suddenly it must be so. But BigBlueHead points out that your hacked photo means nothing and you make fun of his? Uh huh.

I have asked what is similar about those two areas. I blew the damn thing up for you. You still couldn't answer.

I asked what was special about those other rocks. I even demonstrated that rocks on earth look the same. You ignored it.

You do realize that completely ignoring the obvious questions doesn't help your quack theory, right?

So, answer the questions already.

otherwise do thee intellectual thing

Go away-------> bye bye now-- thanx for stopping by

Well... to be fair, I edited one. But my Hummer fits better with the off-road look than his.

And fluid is the only one editing photos to infer something real. NASA hasn't done anything.

The provenience of your photos is not forthcoming. Perhaps if you show them in situ on a NASA or JPL site, they have more credibility.

Morons like us are likely to question "official" photos that don't reside on "official" websites.

oh... I got them. I've been d/l'ng that stuff since the mission began.

But your examples still don't show any "edits."

What do you define as an "edit?"

I looked. Between these posts and the Tiffs, the only things I noticed were the expected mismatches of color saturation and perhaps some offset do to stitching of multiple images (I'm working under the assumption that you do realize that the camera doesn't see all that at once).

I also noticed your repeated ad hominem remarks and comments at those who question or disagree with you.

So, please, entertain a stupid person like me for a moment: What do you define as a NASA edit?

I looked at the regions you indicated. Nothing appears amiss.

Hey Fluid you do know that NASA could potentially hunt people down for Slander, if those photos were edited by someone else, afterall such malicious rumours could potentially hamper future funding for such projects.

Bye bye see ys thanx for stopping by

I have a better idea... you can join Jahairo in the Ignore list... That's the only way to weed out the kooks around here.

Fluid,

I mearly stated they could get you for slander, I didn't say "I protest, you must be taken to the authorities", afterall I couldn't care less if you edit a photo of Mars to hide a rock or two to make it look more interesting.

Lets see, Originally you were looking for shapes in rocks, now you've been looking for edits in the pictures of rocks... Fluid, are you sure the Rover is actually on Mars?

You know he is desparate when he must make fun of everyone for not agreeing with him. That's one of the signs of a kook. This guy really has some mental problems. Reminds me of that movie "A Beautiful Mind" where his schizophrenia made him paranoid against everyone and see stuff that wasn't there. This is a textbook case of that mental illness.

Actually I think "A Beautiful Mind" was slightly different as although some people take that at face value, John Nash at the time attempted multiple times to talk to particular scientists of that era, ones working in Quantum fields that looked at how our universe worked and even if it was possible that what we see is only one of many universes.

Theres a potential that if John Nash had been able to talk with them, something in the universe might have been different and a duality of visual universes could have insued.

(Of course this is just a theory, and for it to be a fact, it would have to be proven)

Anyhow, as for Fluids little tantrum.

I managed to hunt down the image, a TIFF 40MB image
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA04995.tif

And guess what, NO EDITS AT ALL.
[Edit] Other than glueing images together.

Fluid, Easy on the insults there, afterall insulting someone just for providing a link to an UNEDITED version of an image isn't exactly the way of proving your case.

If anything getting in arguements doesn't prove anything.

If you have something truly to prove, then why don't you get a NASA representative to look over your images? I would personally try to hunt one down, but I know they would have 100's if not 1000's of e-mails asking for their time to set people right.

Perhaps what we should do at Sciforums is get all the questions that people keep raising together, and then send them off to NASA for a response. I mean they would have to be questions collected up from all these posts, and just maybe (I'm not promising anything) we might be able to get someone to laugh.. I mean look at the evidence.

Why would NASA lie, won’t its budget go up big time if they displayed proof of ETI???

What is and edit change an object that is in the clear to appear to be buried or behind red gravelWhy do you think that it was edited to 'appear to be buried or behind red gravel'? If there are reasons for you to think this, point them out. And your childish insults and blowoffs are probably pushing most to think you are either 12 or mentally ill.

*Everything in quotes is a mocking of fluid1959

What is there? Rocks and shadows.

Much like:

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/geos256/azgeology/images/rocks.gif

Mocking:
"Wow, you stupid poopheads!@ that has to be prof of alien feet! see the unmistakable foot!?!? I cn't believe they didn't edit it out ah!"

Haha, and...

http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nodes/images/rocks.gif

continued mocking:
"yeah bye bye fools. that shows the skull. see the skull and the ears. whoa. this will come out. so there. ha! i proved you wrongG1!!"

And also,

http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~ptortora/whitesands1.jpg

"No, I didn't edit out any rocks or anything. It doesn't matter if people saw this image come straight from the rover into mission control with rocks and a reddish tint, with rocks strewn randomly about... I edited it, in a futile, foolish attempt to convey a message that does not say anything or prove anything. Go me. My 14 year old self is superior to logic, science and reason. I like attention. Everyone, argue against my ADD self. I will put forth obviously false posits to piss people off. Even though I resort to ad hominem attacks whenever I am denounced, or when I get scared, my points still hold, because I refuse to give any more information than necessary for open mindedness and understanding. That is completely beside the fact that I have multiple claims that have absolutely no basis or bit of supporting evidence. I rule. you damn thinkers can go wait for the future to see my un-founded prediction and thoughts to come true. Ha, so there."


I am done. Thank you.

http://www.csicop.org/articles/20021018-aldrin/anim.gif

but did Buzz Aldrin really punch the anti-conspirator?, I mean we may have video evidence of it and may be even physical evidence of it, but so? We have the same evidence of the moon landings and it clearly obvious (according to Fox TV) that we never landed on the moon, there for we can question the evidence that buzz Aldrin punch a anti-conspirator! I propose that it never happened! This is why no charges were ever filed because it was a totally obvious hoax set up by the anti-conspirator to further their cause!

It was actually edited by NASA to make it LOOK like he punched him. The goal was to discredit Mr. Lightyear when he came out about the moon and mars hoaxes. (The had already filmed Buzz landing on Mars too... they put a red filter infront of the cameras and threw some mud on the lander.)

Oooooooh I like that one that is really possible, those people at NASA are really evil and conniving, did you know that 3 days ago I had a thought and I swear that NASA must have put it into my brain using their team of psychics they refuged from the planet Transsexual in the galaxy of Transylvania. I think they may be controlling my mind riht now!!! get the tin hats on!!!

Oh it was obviously edited. See the woman's shirt? Yeah, no one would wear a shirt that bright. NASA obviously edited it to hide the things under the shirt...

wait...

haha.

I told you don't you see it now those transvestonians from the galaxy of Transylvania ae everywhere!?!

Elimadick
your awsome

I thought you said you were gone? Get out of here before I bust a cap in yo ass!

Nothing but slander.


Ignorance is your right , but shouldn't be your ambition

Why are you here ? Did they close the kiddy porn forum on you again?
A mind is a terrible thing to waste

If you knew anything %$%#%$ about the high gain and low gain data transfer capabilities...

Just because you take the special bus to school ... don't make you special
Did you know if you cut a chickens head off ...it still runs around for like a minute. So it just goes to show you don't need a brain to flap your wings.

I am absolutely boggled by your genius

Get back on the bus Persol .. your not quite there yet! And my chicken comment ,case in point!

Persol you have demonstrated nothing but the ability to flap your mouth.
You are repetitive rude and ignorant. If the thread is offensive to you speak to a moderator or a counselor. Or go back to the kiddy porn forum where you came from.

For i'ts is in the majority that things can change. (wow, had to post this)

So come on all you jackasses from Purse-girl Skin-wabbler- blackbarney
elimadick


stop flapping your repetitive ignorant moronic mouths and go show me a better photo that will silence my idiotic beleifs (at least he admits they're idiotic)

Instead of endless attacks of character which you ignorant trailer trash people all have none of (hypocrisy is fun)

You wouldnt know data, If it crawled up your left leg and bit you in the ass.

I think Im Informing you of something your vision apparently can't detect

you must be from france .. cause here the word guess
does't imply stating fact. Dick

how bout you shove your head back up your butt cheeks

Are you really as stupid as you claim

I put up a map for stupid people like you

Be quite turd brain

Your apparently too stupid to d/l a tif and check for your self.. that take brains
you and your boys don't have..

So save the hot air for breathing you inbred ....

You couldnt hunt down your brains let alone edits.

nothing but slander coming from you morons ,
I have nothing to prove.. you have much to learn

Elimadick

Elimadick? What?

Haha, I just got it...

"Purse-girl Skin-wabbler- blackbarney elimadick"

Those were attempts to make fun of our names... I thought he was just rambling.

I am amused.

This forum is a joke.

You realize you began it, right?

There coming for you now GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo

OH MY GOD! fluid1959 was totally right look at this pic of a bright Alien ufo in the sky on mars! NASA really screwed up not covering up this one!
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/001/2N126469170EDN0000P1503L0M1.JPG

Funny... fluid didn't make fun of my name even though I think I was his most abusive detractor in this thread. Am I standing behind an alien or something?

BTW fluid - I know you probably said "I guess" to yourself when you were typing or something, but that "Rock three feet off the ground"? I suggest you find out what "perspective" is before you continue with this mess, otherwise the other ET Photo hoaxers aren't gonna let you into the clubhouse anymore.

Hmm...BigBlue made me think of other colors and I came to the conclusion that I want a stick of BigRed gum. Aaaaaaaanyway, yes perspective would help. That rocks can't be more than a foot high, if that, given it's approximate distance to the lander.

All I've done is ask fluid to explain WTF he thinks he is seeing and why. He has been completely unable to do that.

Hence the applicable title of KOOK

Here's the first color image of the martians, they look rather mad don't they?

fluid1959,

and your point is???

I see your point, no water, or damn little over a short time span.

fluid1959,

Oh Jesus, read up on geology, chemistry and biology please. Oxygen is normally chemically combined with many minerals; the moons soil is 45% oxygen by weight for example, and I don’t see any air there! Yes mars does not have much free oxygen (O2) in the atmosphere this would be expected as oxygen normally oxidizes minerals removing its self, if we did not have life constantly pumping it out this planet would be depleted of it in just a few million years.

Also its we breath out CO2 or carbon dioxide not monoxide (CO) which is highly lethal. And to be really truthful as a biochemist the oxygen plants make and the CO2 we breath out got its oxygen atoms from water during electron transport in the chloroplast and mitochondrion. The oxygen from CO2 is recombined back into water or remains chemically combined to plant organics (and ours as we eat plants) tell we/they rot or burn after death.

O2 can be extracted from CO2 by many was, NASA and other mars enthusiast like the following:

2CO2 + Heat = 2CO + O2 this makes oxygen and carbon monoxide, combined it’s a low impulse rocket fuel.

CO2 + 4H2 + catalyses = CH4 + 2H2O CH4/O2 is a better rocket fuel then CO/O2 but needs hydrogen.
2H20 + electricity and catalyses = 2H2 + O2 hydrogen from water.

All of this needs only Martian air and (opition) water ice, no soil is needed.

Oxygen ----
First rock they drill has mineral olivine which is 40 percent oxygen
thats amazing since this is an Oxygen deprived planet.




No such thing as an 'oxygen deprived planet' in our solar system. Our sun and major planets were formed from the remnants of a supernova. This supernova formed heavy elements, and threw them out into space. They then swirl around a bit under gravity, coalesce, and form a second generation star, and planets. The elemental composition of the sun, and the planets therefore, is broadly similar. Iron, carbon and oxygen, being very stable elements, are quite abundant. So you find rocks which are composed of various oxides.

I have attempted not to allow myself to be drawn into this ridiculous debate, but I feel that I must at least respond to Fluid's last post; If only to set some facts straight...and attempt a recovery from such misrepresentation, or ignorance of information.

Olivine is nothing special. Yes, it does contain a large percentage of Oxygen. However, oxygen is not a rarity in the Solar System...only an oxygen rich atmosphere is.The mineral itself is common on Earth, and typically found in volcanic sediments. Even though there are no known Volcanoes in the immediate region of the rover...there are plenty of extinct/dormant ones scattered across the face of Mars (including the largest known Volcano in the solar system). Given the brittle nature of the Olivine mineral and the scope of Martian dust storms, it is quite rational to conclude that the mineral was transported over a very large region by the Martian wind (if not, this would throw some evidence against the warmer, wetter scenario)....Also, there was no "drilling" needed to locate this mineral. It readily lies just on the Martian surface and was identified with the The Alpha-Particle X-ray Spectrometer and the Mossbauer Spectrometer attached to the rovers robotic arm. Furthermore, there has been no drilling by the rover as of this date (or at least this morning). The mission operators have yet to decide whether or not they should use the RAT (Rock Abrasion Tool) on the rock dubbed "Adirondack" (and just to point out, they identified these minerals in the Martion soil, not within the rock itself. We have already concluded that the rock is made of Basalt.)

As far as the soil that is, in your words, "stronger and more cohesive than they expected"...Please continue reading the latest information coming from the rover and mission scientists. Along with Olivine; Silicon, Sulfur, Chlorine, Calcium, Iron, and Nickel have been detected as well. Early speculations are that this "cohesion" is the result of sulfur and chlorine, two components of salts, holding the miniscule grains together by static attraction. Whether these salts came to Gusev Crater by water or Volcanic activity has yet to be learned.

What are we supposed to see that is so shocking. I don't see it.

me neither, I have a idea here: what if one of us were to make "mars photo" of natural untouched terrian here on earth and give it to fluid1959, do you think he will see what ever it is he sees in it?

as for the colors the cameras take colors in 13 spectra from 400-1100nm (8 filters per camera 16 total - 1 blank and 2 for sun gazing) the combined image colors have to be computer enhance to make a image that would have the proper colors for what our eyes would see if we were there.

I have two theories on fluid1959, either he is just jerking our chains or he’s a paranoid schizophrenic.

fluid sezAny area that has a darker or lighter color is an edit
Any area that appears like a dirt mound is an edit
Any time an object looks half covered with dust ..it's an edit

I don't think it's unfair to say that you are paranoid, since you consider any colour change, dirt or dust visible in these photographs to be the product of tampering.

NEWS FLASH: Mars has dirt.

Ok, first of all...highlighting sections of the Martian surface does nothing to prove that there has been tampering with the images (aside from hundreds of images being digitally "stitched" together to form a whole). Furthermore, you have shown nothing to prove, or at least acknowledge, that the color and shade of the surface could be anything more then natural variations in terrain, sediment, minerals, and shadow...and the dirt mounds are really nothing more then miniature sand dunes created by the Martian wind as dust is pushed across the surface and collects against areas of resistance.

Let us even look at the darker sediment located near the lander...Are you forgetting that it bounced and rolled, more then thirty times, to its current location? There is obviously going to be disturbances to the surrounding soil. Hell, look at the deflated air bags used to cushion the landing...clearly seen is the soil sediment that adhered to the bags as it rolled and bounced.


You claim that this is all proof of editing, but you have yet to show any minimal evidence to the "fact". Show me unnatural uniformity of color. Show me unmatched pixilation of natural borders or shade. Show me any object that casts a shadow in opposition to that of light position, source, terrain, and surrounding objects.You NEED to give us some form of evidence that will take a stand against rational scrutiny. If you are unable to, you really should abandon this "proof" and move on to the next irrational observation that is supported by no evidence.

Does anyone remember chemistry? IF there was water present, or had been recently, say in the last 5 years at least, the water would have chemically changed the Olivine, which is easily determined. That is a bit I picked up reading about what has been found on Mars and why. Also some physics tests wont work well on Mars because of the extremely low atmosphere pressure.

WCF may have a better handle on this than I.

Welcome to Sciforums TredLightly!

Don't expect fluid to listen to anyone, or behave rationally. He hasn't yet.

Does anyone remember chemistry? IF there was water present, or had been recently, say in the last 5 years at least, the water would have chemically changed the Olivine, which is easily determined. That is a bit I picked up reading about what has been found on Mars and why. Also some physics tests wont work well on Mars because of the extremely low atmosphere pressure.

Yes water would have destroyed the Olivine after just a few thusand years of exposure, but
- if this freshly exposed olivine then water even existign jsut a few million years ago would no have destroyed it

- if this is micro particulated olivine then it could have been lifed (as dust) from lava flows that form only a few million years ago.

- it is possible that the soil scan was scaning a rock just millimeters below, giving false result on the soil, that rock could have been resently exposed

all in all much more evidence needs to be collected to determine when was the last time water existed in this area.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040120science.html

now I have a class to get to sorry can't edit my errors just yet.

Seriously, he has yet to even give us a reason why he believes NASA would be editing the photos. Are they trying to hide some form of Martian lichen or grass? Alien pottery shards? The Martian equivalent of spy-hoping Gophers, with long necks and conveniently rock shaped heads...that are nothing more then your inability to grasp perspective and distance in a two-dimensional image?


Oh, and Thank You for the welcome BigBlueHead.

Hehe

Now you see why we're frustrated here Tred. At this point, most people tend to reflect and realize the flaw in their thinking. Not fluid. Dementia has kicked in hard. But it is fun to argue with him though.

oh ok...now i see what he means.


http://www.*******************/pics/mars.gif

The....The EYES....THEY'RE.......WATCHING ME!!

http://www.longislandlan.com/2itemstopb.jpg

Yeah, pretty much. This is the image that Fluid posted, and the one in which I was referring to. Humorously, when I went backwards through the posts to locate this image...I found that Fluid has taken our distraction to his advantage, and modified many of his original posts. Presumably to render damning declarations null, inconspicuously.

I seem to remeber a post (or posts) by Fluid, stating that the subject of the image (the "head") was three feet off the ground, supported by a long neck...and furthermore something about eyes and ears. However, I can no longer seem to locate it. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

I remember the post as well, although I am unable to find it now. Another piece of "information" has fallen victim to fluid1959's revisionist history.

I remember the post as well, although I am unable to find it now. Another piece of "information" has fallen victim to fluid1959's revisionist history.

your right he did delete allot of his old post, I see my self screaming at him to leave, and the post he made saying he would leave are gone, trying to make a ass of me are you :mad:
next time I'm going to quote everything you do! fluid1969

Yeah, I can't even find that thread I quoted from earlier in this thread, where he said the aliens were gonna shut us all up.

Ah, he is one of "those" individuals. He may have back peddled on his comments under this thread, but apparently he didn't have the intelligence to so on a similar thread entitled "Optical Illusion".

In that thread, fluid1959 posts the same tired image (see above), and the following comments are made...

One_Raven: "What is this supposed to be?"

fluid1959: "A rock with long neck and ears...Nothing of importance I'm sure that's why NASA painted it out"

Don't trust my word though, for it is still there for all to see. That is unless fluid1959 has made yet another "correction"...in which case, I must be a liar.



PS. Actually, it appears that he has deleted the majority of his posts under this thread...which leaves many of you painted as incoherent lunatics.

Eh... fluid's a loser at heart... can't stand behind his own foolish words.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA05102.tif

They sure went out of their way to dispose of Jimmy Hoffa. Is the little stick figure supposed to be the "individual's" dolly?

Seriously Fluid, this still proves nothing other then the fact that you have a very vivid imagination and have access to Photo/image editing software. I need more "proof" then that of lines drawn on the sand.

poor Jimmy Hoffa. http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/images/smilies/no.gif
ok fluid how did they get Jim's body up there?

See the light

See ya Troll.

So ultra-midgets control Mars? GREAT SCOTT!!:)

Fluid I'm looking at the tiff right here. You've just plain lost it. You're such a fucking nut that if I could, I'd put you out of your pathetic misery.

I dont think fluid said "the aleins are gonna shut you up" , nor half of the other things youve claimed he said

Shut up Star. You fuel the kook flames as much as him.

Actually, I believe it was something along the lines of "The Paradigm will shift...yada yada...and it will shut all your mouths"...Besides, it is hard to prove the Fluid said anything at all, considering he has deleted or altered most of his posts. Perhaps you should go back and read over the seemingly random statements, by other users, in response to Fluid's "non-existent" comments (especially the quotes used from Fluid's own words).

Ah, and here is the quote (as found in a poster's reply to one of Fluids disappearing comments)...

"Unless some mysterious thing happens to the rover in the next day or 2. The Paradigm shift will arrive shortly...And that is what my crystal balls are telling me!"

This is the statement that really gets to me; "There are artifacts here.. And we have the abilitiy to scientifically discern that..."

Star_One - don't play dumb. What happened to all of fluid's posts? They're all gone...

Im not saying he hasnt edited his posts, but i dont remember him saying anything about aliens shutting you up

Paridigam shift doesnt sound like "the aliens are gonna shut you up" to me

the last 4 pages are just insults from both sides.

Everyone should just agree to disagree

also, since people that think there may be more to mars than meets the eye are labeled "kook", i propose that all the skeptics on here should be refered to as "gimps" ....its only fair :)

For the sake of completeness I shall requote the same quote I previously quoted:

Well they may be rocks.. but my guess is probably not.

I have many nasa tif 's in the 50-70 mb range. They show many artifacts immediately around the craft. And Possible bones/ skulls etc..

Nasa has requested all school children to send rocks to nasa. To help them figure out what these rocks are made of. Because most of the rocks dont match any known origin.

And we should find out very shortly.

Please note all images showing a red mars have been adjusted by nasa to appear that way. This little rover is going to make many big mouths close .. shortly

There are artifacts here.. And we have the abilitiy to scientifically discern that.

Unless some mysterious thing happens to the rover in the next day or 2 . The Paradigm shift will arrive shortly.

And that is what my crystal balls are telling me !

These are fluid's words, although I believe that he has deleted them by now.
EDIT: He seems to have deleted a few posts in there now... how irritating.

Interesting, maybe we should belive Fluid about what NASA is hiding, after all he seems to be good at cover ups himself so maybe he knows one when he sees one :P

Maybe fluid is right. Once you start looking you see all kinds of aliens.

http://www.*******************/pics/mars2.jpg

I am amazed that no one mentioned anything about:

Third I have been deeply affected by what I found (material not suitable for children)
(emphasis mine)
Preceeding the pictures of dirt and rocks- errr, sorry, I mean mutilated skulls and bones :rolleyes:- he posted are you guys slipping, or is no one paying attention to him much by that point?

I almost fell out of my chair with that one.

Oh, I remember that little statement well...and this is probably why I refused to bring it up:

I think what we are dealing with, now, is not so much what Fluid believes to be proof of the fact, but rather how many people he can convince to blindly buy into his convictions. He, obviously, already had certain ideas well in place before coming into this...and it is MY belief that all of this "NASA Cover-Up" nonsense was just a diversion to allow Fluid's "Paradigm Shifting" theories to come to light, with an audience that will accept them (it backfired, of course).

All of the "evidence" he has even bothered to produce is...well...easily debunked by any High School Freshman that has paid attention in science class. So now, instead of trying to support his "findings" with true evidence (or even answering basic questions), he has decided to play the "emotions" card in an effort to regain ground on any sympathies (because he is so "deeply effected") and make the environment more receptive...So that perhaps we may wish to see and hear about this "material not suitable for children", and thus allow him to finally make his theory known.

As Fluid has so brilliantly demonstrated, emotion can trump rational thought. For the love of Gods, DON'T GIVE IN!!! Find the balance.

Interestingly, fluid seems to have me on ignore. That's kind of a laugh. I wonder how many ignore lists I'm on now?

I'm starting to believe he's just a kid with a lot of time on his hands and mischief on the brain.

I think spuriousmonkey interpretation is much MUCH better and more likely!!!

What, space ducky?

Looking at the number of deletions by Fluid1959, It's lucky he never decided to call himself Fluent because the thread no longer is.

However the deleted threads are bound to be a cause of concern, such institutes as NASA believe that Fluid1959 is covering something up.
[Okay, I didn't ask them but I'm sure they would be concerned]

I guess Fluid1959's re-evaluation of posts has been to remove any profanety that they originally contained, since he's probably spotted that current events on the board do reflect that such posts could have his username banned.

However I think everyone concurs that they are just rocks, and Fluid1959 imagination is quite overactive.

I'm suprised that SpuriousMonkey has come the closest to working out the real Mar's conspiracy, and that is the "Dot to Dot" puzzle that the Martians left us to solve, since over the years the numbers have worn away near the rock fragments to tell us which order they come in.

Perhaps all of you can have a go at joining the rocks together to try and work out the hidden messages.

I just found an NASA image where the stones were arrange to spell out something. Please note it's not my bad mousemanship that has made the lettering look bad, but the layout of the stones has altered from the vast winds and sand that move around Mar's surface.

Fluuuuuuid... you don't have any credibility left.

That third picture is nice, but I bet with some photoshop filters I could make my dog look like it's on fire... why does adjusting the colour balance/contrast prove anything?

Except for personel attacks I haven't seen any evidence displayed to debunk anything I have showed to you inconsiderate dweebs .

Personel attacks are the worse thing ever. I know. Watching HR people come over the top at you is scary thing.

Personally I've not seen any evidence from you to debunk. Make fun of, yes, but not debunk.

Except for personel attacks I haven't seen any evidence displayed to debunk anything I have showed to you inconsiderate dweebs .

You're kidding right? We have shown the evidence in the form of the ACTUAL PICTURES and telling you what there is...rocks. You and ONLY you are seeing these artifacts. You must have an increadible imagination to be seeing some of the things you see. Plus you can move a contrast slider back and forth in photoshop over windblown dirt patches...it's amazing you aren't a professor in physics at MIT.

fluid1959,

Not that I want to rattle your chain :D but data communication with the rover has been lost. (I think you predicted this in one of those phatom posts of yours)

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/
Must be those darn martians, eh?

Fluid, all I see is that you have yet again thrown another altered (by your hand) image into the mix. All this does is add to your lack of comprehension, and detract from your credibility.

This pattern is tired, truly. When one image/statement is so easily debunked, you move on to the next with no acknowledgement whatsoever. You give us no proof, no legitimate data, or even a simple statement regarding the point of all this...and not for lack of trying on our part. Hell, I even handed you BASIC questions that I sought your answers to. Yet, you ignored them in favor of "See the Light"...All I see is another image attached to a baseless claim.

I'll "low-brow" this just for you; Shit or get of the pot. Put up or shut up. It is that simple. Just simply show some real evidence...Back up any..or just ONE..of your claims with relevant and legitimate data. I call you out. If you can do this, I will eat crow and personally grant your "theory" the realm of possibility.

More importantly, why are they covering stuff up on earth?!?

See the attached picture. It's the wheel of an alien craft on earth... but they erased the rest of the vehicle!!!!!!!! Those BASTARDS!

This is a bigger problem than you though!

Please save the children.
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M*W: Persol, I had trouble viewing the photo, but I do agree with you. Today the headlines say they've lost touch with the Mars rover. Yeah, right! What I want to know is WHY they are covering these things up? Do they think it would cause a pandemic panic? I think people are more in tune now than they were pre-1947.

Prove it Put your photo of that area next to mine. their clearly marked on my color map of tif

THIS is what I am talking about, Fluid...The only thing you have done is to mark off areas of the image, and claim them to be edited! You offer no evidence to support the fact, other then the fact that you say so!


By the way, just because someone else (enterprisemission.org) believes the imaged objects to be more then rocks...doesn't mean that they are, or that it is proof...other then the fact that you are gullible. They show no more evidence then you do.



If all these claims of "artifacts" were to be true, Mars must truly be the largest landfill in the universe.

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M*W: Persol, I had trouble viewing the photo, but I do agree with you. Today the headlines say they've lost touch with the Mars rover. Yeah, right! What I want to know is WHY they are covering these things up? Do they think it would cause a pandemic panic? I think people are more in tune now than they were pre-1947.

Ha! Humans can't even keep their computers running correctly when they're in the same room! But then, surely we can keep one 65 million miles away (propbably built by the lowest bidder) working after it was crashed into a planet.

I picture this small video monitor with a blue screen somewhere on a martian crater that says, "press any key to continue or ctrl-alt-esc to reboot."

Ohhhh... let me take my glasses off and try again.

Cool, it's a duck! *quack quack*
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M*W: Persol, my friend, I want to ask you... Do you thing the Big Bang happened long after the dinosaurs were on the Earth?

Then, what does this mean? If the Big Bang happened and destroyed the dinosaurs, could there have been a civililzation BEFORE the dinosaurs?

When do you think the Big Bang happened?

HE STRIKES (DELETES) AGAIN! First he got rid of the spy-hoping gopher, and now Jimmy Hoffa has vanished...again!

This is truly pathetic. At least real Kooks have the spine to stand by their own words.


EDIT: Hehe. If the original post is more then five days old...and it was edited Today at 02:23 AM...There is a good chance that something important/damning was removed.

Medicine Woman: The Big Bang is generally accepted (by those who believe in the idea in the first place) to have happened waaaay back at the beginning of time, so the dinosaurs were pretty safe from it.

Big Bang AFTER the dinosaurs?! Someone doesn't know their cosmotology.

Nah, the big bang happens every Saturday night when the couple upstairs return from the pub... see that ceiling rock!

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M*W: Persol, my friend, I want to ask you... Do you thing the Big Bang happened long after the dinosaurs were on the Earth?

Then, what does this mean? If the Big Bang happened and destroyed the dinosaurs, could there have been a civililzation BEFORE the dinosaurs?

When do you think the Big Bang happened?

Lessee, it's generally accepted the Dinosaurs died off at the end of the Cretaceous, about 65 million years ago. The Earth is about 4.5 Billion years old. Its generally accepted the BB, creation of everything, happened somewhere between 13-18 Billion years ago.

Why do you think the BB happened after the Dinaosaurs died?

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M*W: Persol, my friend, I want to ask you... Do you thing the Big Bang happened long after the dinosaurs were on the Earth?

Then, what does this mean? If the Big Bang happened and destroyed the dinosaurs, could there have been a civililzation [sic] BEFORE the dinosaurs?

When do you think the Big Bang happened?

The Big Bang is the first time there was space in the universe, and hence the beginning of time. Nothing happened before the big bang (in any way that we can consider conventional) It was the beginning of the universe. The big bang did NOT kill the dinosaurs,a meteor striking the Earth or a climate change did. A meteor killing dinosaurs could certainly have been a very big bang, but I think you got a little confused there. it wasn’t THE big bang.

It's a generally accepted convention that dinosaurs were not beings who existed in any sort of sense beyond that of our comprehension of time and space, so I am assuming that placing the big bang chronologically before the rise of the dinosaurs, or formation of our planet is a pretty safe bet. Who knows, though, maybe dinosaurs are still with us, just outside the edges of perceivable reality. . . uhh except for all those fossils and stuff.

Persol asked me if I'm Marsha Mcglashan so he must of tried checking to see who owned Long Island Lan where I post these from. Thats my
bosses wife and if he went through that trouble he is a danger. I contacted some legal people to see if I can pursue this legally.Not only are you not a geologist, you are obviously not a lawyer either.

As for why I checked, I was wondering if the person who is hosting this realizes what you are wasting their bandwidth on.

So please, what exactly am I in danger of? I realize that you haven't answered any other of my questions that were on topic... so why should I expect you to answer this one?

Thanks for the laugh though. I shot an email off to the domain owner.... because I don't believe that they'd let you waste bandwidth on this.

What a Big LOL I had with this post..


You guys keep posting here asking for him to reply? OMG LOL :D

MAybe you all perhabs didnt figure out that these are all random pictures, and he just make a lot of random pointers in the picture..

LMAO its just a big joke, joking with the real nuts that put stuff like these ones, claiming whatsoever about what NASA does with public images..

Its just a big joke of course, random pictures thrown at you and you dont even noticed is just to make fun of those conspiracies.. :p

Even if Fluid Himself doesnt admit it! Its a Comical Post! :rolleyes:

What you don’t think we were laughing our heads off this whole time?

Its just a big joke of course, random pictures thrown at you and you dont even noticed is just to make fun of those conspiracies.This is too much work for a joke that isn't all that funny. Look at the number of pictures he's posted, zoomed in on, highlighted, etc...

A joke would not have been so consistent in the craziness. A joker wouldn't have gone back and deleted his posts. Pure and simple, this guy is loopy.

Come on you guys, didn't you know this whole martian lander thing is all animation done by Pixar Studios. None of it really exists except in the minds of the animators. You can see some of the photos they did if you can find the easter eggs hidden on the Toy Story II DVD. What you mean you don't believe me? Oh well.

and that makes another "loopy".

I can't believe you missed the Sarcasam in my previous post. I am poking fun at the conspiracy theory people. I take everything with a grain of salt. I've never seen any reason to doubt the authenticity of the pics NASA has been sending back from Mars, and I have never seen any reason to believe in conspiracies either. The one thing I've noticed in this thread is everyone seems to be concerned with being right and seems to feel they are intellectually superior to everyone else. If someone has a belief, that is essentially harmless to everyone else, why not just let them have it and leave them alone? By commenting against his ideas, you in effect give them more weight as truth in his mind and only stoke his desire to proove himself right. If you leave his comments alone and don't comment on them, they will likely stop being posted since he will no longer have an audience. Why am I even bothering to write this?

If you leave his comments alone and don't comment on them, they will likely stop being posted since he will no longer have an audience.Probably trueWhy am I even bothering to write this?Because you had a good point.


P.S: I 'think' WCF was being sarcastic too. I think...

this is a god damn joke man, this thing landed not to long ago and already poeple are trying to debunk it....
i also like to point out the fact that the 5th photo from the top looks like a CGI image for the lander platform and a real background.



this is ALL very stupid and should not be discused....
wether or not NASA and the US gov are are or are not hidding the images..... i fail to see what they would have to gain from it....

poeple have come out before about say AREA 51, but why not NASA.... its a bigger organization... and not as SECRET as area 51.....


this is all a joke, and i say none should try and argue any aspect of the mars landing... next thing you know, poeple will be saying we havnt even landed on mars, much like poeple say the moon landing as a joke
GIVE IT A BREAK......
aliens have some significant
bigfoot has some signifcants
and even ghosts have a little significants....
but faking photos and what not concering SPACE is a load of BS

the above are example of things which are totaly unexplaind no matter how real or fake the evidence is.... ideas such as NASA faking photos, its "we said they said" nonsense.... not real proof, no real proof that its been faked, no real proof thats it real... so just give it up and let the nice scientists do there job

We The Rock Men Of Mars Salute You!!!

I, for one, salute our new rock overlords.

i salute aliens with hockey sticks

For your consideration ?

I will be posting many anomalies
that have been getting little or no recognition.

In a one at a time method...I hope others will take the time to d/l original Nasa Tif and and discuss their views of items in question.

Or possibly even add images that they feel haven't been recognized.

Hilighted patch right side of the lander
http://www.longislandlan.com/pia05117hl.jpg

Object in question hilighted

http://www.longislandlan.com/pia05117croprhl.jpg

Untouched And greyscale.
http://www.longislandlan.com/pia05117cropr.jpg
http://www.longislandlan.com/pia05117croprgrey.jpg

Do you believe this may be part of the lander ?

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/

Only contact me thru -email read posts to understand why..

I will be posting many anomalies

Anomalies?

What the fuck are those to you? Rocks with shadows?

Goddamn. You are a pathetic idiot.

No, I believe it's a rock and soil scrapped up from the airbags. That's sure as hell what it looks like to me and 98% of this board. See all the other darker rocks in the area? This one got caught up in the airbags and was pulled along, pulling the dust off of it and dragging it along the dirt. Given the scale, it can't be more than a few inches. Stop looking for only what you want to see in those pictures. That's how you go even more nuts.

Fluid <--------------- is sorry you weren't breast fed..

Blackholesun <-------------- is sorry you turned out to be such a paranoid idiot with no education.

Wow...I was completely wrong wrong wrong. May fluid, in his infinite wisdom, forgive me and my rational mind. I am shamed. NASA is manipulating photos...or at least they WERE.

"Today's technology is a far cry from 1965, when scientists actually used crayons to color tiny strips of paper to create Mars photos. Their crayon color choices were based on long strings of digits representing the 21 pictures transmitted by Mariner 4."

Hehe...I guess your technique, Fluid, is about as sophisticated as NASA's was 40 years ago.