Nothing infuriates me more than CRIMINAL aliens demanding rights from ordinary, legal, law-abiding Americans. I saw video of their marches and it sickened me.:mad:

If I tried that in Mexico I'd be arrested, jailed, beaten, and then used as extortion/bribery bait.

The arrogance of these people amazes me. As does the ignorance of Americans who support them.

Oh, and an NBC Houston affiliate cameraman had a Mexican flag mounted on his camera.:mad:

Ya that's pretty effed up. Well you know what it's a free country...still perhaps this is proof?

They should maybe send in immigration vans to the marches and do a 'round up.

Nothing infuriates me more than CRIMINAL aliens demanding rights from ordinary, legal, law-abiding Americans. I saw video of their marches and it sickened me.:mad:

If I tried that in Mexico I'd be arrested, jailed, beaten, and then used as extortion/bribery bait.

The arrogance of these people amazes me. As does the ignorance of Americans who support them.

Oh, and an NBC Houston affiliate cameraman had a Mexican flag mounted on his camera.:mad:

Yeah too bad you Americans need someone to do the dirty, difficult and dangerous jobs that keep your economy going.

Yeah too bad you Americans need someone to do the dirty, difficult and dangerous jobs that keep your economy going.

Just curious, Sam, does India permit anyone, of any nation or group, immigrate to India by just showing up in the nation? Does India give free citizenship to anyone on Earth anytime they want it or ask?

Baron Max

Not only free citizenship but free welfare, education, healthcare, housing, jobs
etc....

Just curious, Sam, does India permit anyone, of any nation or group, immigrate to India by just showing up in the nation? Does India give free citizenship to anyone on Earth anytime they want it or ask?

Baron Max

Those are not the right questions.

The right question is, is India an immigrant nation? Do descendants of immigrants with a Statue of Liberty that claims "give me your willing to do the dirty jobs at less than minimum wages, deperate types" have a right to decide who should be the next generation of GMYWTDTDJALTMWDTs?

Yeah too bad you Americans need someone to do the dirty, difficult and dangerous jobs that keep your economy going.
yep. And not only mexicans. You also have illegal brazilians to do this.

Just curious, Sam, does India permit anyone, of any nation or group, immigrate to India by just showing up in the nation? Does India give free citizenship to anyone on Earth anytime they want it or ask?

Baron Max
I always thought that they did! :confused:

Not only free citizenship but free welfare, education, healthcare, housing, jobs
etc....
ah. now I've got it :)

The criminal aliens cleaning houses for $25/hr cash in CA and doing construction work for $25/hr cash, not paying taxes, and sending most of their money home to Mexico are not suffering in the least.

Those are not the right questions.

The right question is, is India an immigrant nation? Do descendants of immigrants with a Statue of Liberty that claims "give me your willing to do the dirty jobs at less than minimum wages, deperate types" have a right to decide who should be the next generation of GMYWTDTDJALTMWDTs?

THAT'S IT!

I don't have a problem with LEGAL immigration, it's ILLEGAL immigration that infuriates me.

Nothing infuriates me more than CRIMINAL aliens demanding rights from ordinary, legal, law-abiding Americans. I saw video of their marches and it sickened me.:mad:

The solution is simple. Turn off your TV and get a bucket.

If I tried that in Mexico I'd be arrested, jailed, beaten, and then used as extortion/bribery bait.

What reason would you have to try it in Mexico?

The arrogance of these people amazes me. As does the ignorance of Americans who support them.

Yes, how dare these "CRIMINAL aliens" daring to demand rights for working as slave labourers with barely any wage, no health care, no rights whatsoever. Why don't you go to the rich part of your area, ask the people there how many of them employ/exploit these "CRIMINAL aliens" to do their house and yard work, pick crops, etc? Then you can abuse them for daring to support these "CRIMINALS".

Hey, maybe you can go through your wardrobe and pull out all the brands that use American sweatshops that employ and support these "CRIMINALS" and set them all on fire in protest against these "CRIMINAL aliens".

Ah, America.. 'Land of the free'..:rolleyes:

Oh, and an NBC Houston affiliate cameraman had a Mexican flag mounted on his camera.
How dare he!

You should ring them or email them and soundly complain! Protest by not watching their network! I am sure they will be devastated!:rolleyes:

The criminal aliens cleaning houses for $25/hr cash in CA and doing construction work for $25/hr cash, not paying taxes, and sending most of their money home to Mexico are not suffering in the least.

Which explains why their employers hire them preferentially.

I mean, one can so totally see Americans unloading trash cans and swabbing floors at $5.15 an hour and happily swinging their mops and buckets in glee.

...have a right to decide who should be the next generation of GMYWTDTDJALTMWDTs?

No, they don't ....they reserve that right for the citizens of India. Sooooo, .....what do the citizens of India want Americas to do about it, Sam? Just tell us, and we'll cowtow to your demands.

Baron Max

No, they don't ....they reserve that right for the citizens of India. Sooooo, .....what do the citizens of India want Americas to do about it, Sam? Just tell us, and we'll cowtow to your demands.

Baron Max

Sweat shops of the world unite! Third world farmers put out of business by government subsidised American farmers unite! :D

I don't have a problem with LEGAL immigration, it's ILLEGAL immigration that infuriates me.

Yeah, but as you can see/read here at the overly-liberal sciforums that the members don't understand such things as "legal" and "illegal".

Baron Max

Yeah, but as you can see/read here at the overly-liberal sciforums that the members don't understand such things as "legal" and "illegal".

Baron Max

I totally agree

http://www.donsausa.com/uploaded_images/34-illegal-immigrant-b-724013.gif

http://mp.blogs.com/mp/images/immigration_cartoon.jpg

hey, why don't you just try to let them be? If you can't stop them, let it to someone able to do this. Here in Brazil we have a serious violence problem in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo, and most of people can't do aything but pay the taxes...and let the police work.

hey, why don't you just try to let them be? If you can't stop them, let it to someone able to do this. Here in Brazil we have a serious violence problem in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo, and most of people can't do aything but pay the taxes...and let the police work.

Are you sure?

http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/immigration.jpg

Just curious, Sam, does India permit anyone, of any nation or group, immigrate to India by just showing up in the nation? Does India give free citizenship to anyone on Earth anytime they want it or ask?

Those are not the right questions.

The right question is, is India an immigrant nation? Do descendants of immigrants with a Statue of Liberty that claims "give me your willing to do the dirty jobs at less than minimum wages, deperate types" have a right to decide who should be the next generation of GMYWTDTDJALTMWDTs?

Can't you just answer the effin question? It seems pretty simple to me, regardless if he's asking the right question. You couldn't have been more blatantly obvious in dodging his question than if you would have said, "Gee, Baron, you have me at a loss. I can't answer that question." It's a simple Yes or No.
So, are you going to answer it or are you going to keep telling us that we aren't asking the right question? :rolleyes:

I totally agree


Brazilians indians also agree, for the same reason. pff.... And the portuguese still killed most of them, and said "we discovered Brazil". Idiots.

Let them be? They are destroying our neighborhoods, our hospitals, our welfare system, our healthcare system, our schools, our country, our way of life!:mad:

They are taking jobs, filling our jails, back-logging our courts, killing our citizens, and turning the USA into a 3rd world country. Just go look at L.A. You will see it all there.:mad:

Can't you just answer the effin question? It seems pretty simple to me, regardless if he's asking the right question. You couldn't have been more blatantly obvious in dodging his question than if you would have said, "Gee, Baron, you have me at a loss. I can't answer that question." It's a simple Yes or No.
So, are you going to answer it or are you going to keep telling us that we aren't asking the right question? :rolleyes:

Hmm I assume you are either

1. a newbie or
2. an American

those are the only things which could explain your effing naivety/stupidity.

What does India have to do with the OP? Can you recognise a strawman when you see one?:D

Let them be? They are destroying our neighborhoods, our hospitals, our welfare system, our healthcare system, our schools, our country, our way of life!:mad:

They are taking jobs, filling our jails, back-logging our courts, killing our citizens, and turning the USA into a 3rd world country. Just go look at L.A. You will see it all there.:mad:

At least they aren't giving you blankets with small pox.

Let them be? They are destroying our neighborhoods, our hospitals, our welfare system, our healthcare system, our schools, our country, our way of life!:mad:

They are taking jobs, filling our jails, back-logging our courts, killing our citizens, and turning the USA into a 3rd world country. Just go look at L.A. You will see it all there.:mad:

Well, that would be a good point if YOU Americans haven't ever done that.

No but they are bringing back diseases we eradicated years ago. Many states have seen increases in whooping-cough, TB, worms, parasites, and all kinds of other diseases.:(

The criminal aliens cleaning houses for $25/hr cash in CA and doing construction work for $25/hr cash, not paying taxes, and sending most of their money home to Mexico are not suffering in the least.

You sure about that?


It estimated that illegal immigrants fill a quarter of all agricultural jobs, 17 percent of office and house-cleaning positions, 14 percent of construction jobs, and 12 percent of food preparation posts.

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Business leaders and advocates for immigrants' rights say the US economy would collapse if they were deported.

''Undocumented immigrants do pay taxes, and they do contribute to the economic, social, and cultural developments," said Peta Ikambana of the American Friends Service Committee.
Link (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/03/08/study_up_to_12m_illegal_migrants_in_us/)


You want illegal immigrants to stop coming over the border and your economy to stay afloat? Well you better get cracking on the menial labour jobs missy!

Even your own President recognises that illegal immigrants are doing the work that Americans refuse to do.

President Bush urged the Senate to endorse his guest worker proposal, saying: "There are people here working hard for jobs Americans won't do."
Link (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2006-04-10-immigrants-economic-impact_x.htm)



On a typical workday, Jose Castro figures he hefts about 400 boxes full of industrial parts. Each container weighs an average of 75 pounds. Add it up and Castro, a "pack man" earning $8 an hour at an Irvine, Calif., distributor, totes the equivalent of 15 tons every working day.

"All the heavy stuff they don't want to pack, they give to me," he says of his co-workers.

Castro, 24, came to the United States from Mexico six years ago and, like an estimated 500,000 migrants each year, he came without a visa. That puts him at the center of a fierce clash over the nation's estimated 11.6 million undocumented or illegal immigrants.

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Since then, he's married an American citizen, paid his taxes and stayed out of trouble. As the national controversy dominates the airwaves, he remains focused on making enough money for his wife's college studies. They can't afford a child or a car.

Standing on the outskirts of a recent pro-immigrant rally in Costa Mesa, Calif., he says he's seen Americans of all races take jobs alongside him only to leave once they see how backbreaking the work is.

"I've seen them quit after one week," Castro says. "You get sweaty. You get dirty. Your back hurts. ... They just don't want to do it."
Link (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2006-04-10-immigrants-economic-impact_x.htm)

You better tell him he's being underpaid. $25 per hour you said? Ermmm ok..

On average, the Hispanic workers earned much lower salaries: $24,391, vs. $39,951 for non-Hispanics.

That preserved jobs for thousands of Americans, both on still-humming assembly lines and in related businesses that benefit from their presence. Overall, the state's fast-rising Hispanic population, almost evenly divided between legal and illegal migrants, funnels about $9 billion in purchases and taxes into North Carolina's economy each year, Kasarda says.
Link (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2006-04-10-immigrants-economic-impact_x.htm)

I think your figures are a tad skewed my dear.

Illegal immigrants are hired because they can be paid a much lower wage than American citizens.

So, are you able to lift 75 pounds if they send Jose back to Mexico?

No but they are bringing back diseases we eradicated years ago. Many states have seen increases in whooping-cough, TB, worms, parasites, and all kinds of other diseases.:(

Boo fricking hoo. The biggest health problem in the US is obesity.

Again, the problem is not LEGAL immigrants, it's *ILLEGAL* immigration I have the problem with.

And obesity is more difficult to deal with than these diseases you said, Sandy.

Yeah, obesity makes you cough uncontrollably. It's contagious. It makes you feel like cr@p. It causes a slow, excruciating death.

NOT...:rolleyes:

Someone is giving these guys a job. Why not convince them to stop employing them?

Just take care of your health ^^

Someone is giving these guys a job. Why not convince them to stop employing them?

I think even if you try hard, you can't convince them to stop employing cheap workers. These peolple earn lots of money paying a little for their work!

We've tried fining big business but the Republicans want the cheap labor and the Democrats want the votes so we may possibly never win. How sad our country will be turned into another 3rd world country because of our pathetic politicians.:mad:

that's really sad, but you have chosen your politicians.

Let them be? They are destroying our neighborhoods, our hospitals, our welfare system, our healthcare system, our schools, our country, our way of life!:mad:

They are taking jobs, filling our jails, back-logging our courts, killing our citizens, and turning the USA into a 3rd world country. Just go look at L.A. You will see it all there.:mad:

Illegal migrants from Canada as well? Or just the swarthy ones from the south?:rolleyes:

Just which illegal migrants do you have a problem with? You seem to concentrate only on the ones from Mexico, when there are illegal migrants from all over the world residing and working in the US.

I have a problem with all criminal aliens. I don't care where they're from.

do you have a problem with prejudice? doesn't seem to have.

Yes. I am prejudiced against criminal aliens, evil terrorists, criminals in general,
troublemakers, lazy people, and a few select other groups.

Yes. I am prejudiced against ....lazy people,

I thought they come here for work.... :eek:

Lazy people don't want to work. They have an entitlement mentality. Some like to collect welfare/foodstamps/ medical care off hard-working American citizens.:(

samcdkey

Sweat shops of the world unite! Third world farmers put out of business by government subsidised American farmers unite!

Yes sam point a finger, and then look at your precious India, and you preach to the world about their problems, and laws?


http://www.senser.com/5-21.htm

Exploding Child Labor Myths: an Indian's Insights

Kailash Satyarthi, a striking figure in a white robe, was in Washington earlier this month. Between appointments at the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, he talked to and with a small group of us on May 14. I was real glad to see him again and to find him still exuding the charisma and the wisdom that impressed me when I first met him some years ago.

From personally witnessing the plight of boys and girls victimized by bonded labor and other harsh forms of exploitation, Satyarthi is unexcelled in being able to explode myths about child labor, including some repeated by distinguished academics and international organizations. He is especially good at debunking the facile rationale that "poverty causes child labor." Not so, he says. "Exploitation of poverty causes child labor."

In my writings I have frequently made use of the statistics he uses to illustrate that child labor promotes adult unemployment and perpetuates poverty. He gave us an update for India: In 1947, when India gained independence, it had 10 million child workers and 10 million unemployed older persons. Now it has 70 million child workers and 70 million jobless.

The MEA's children
The reason why India's factory floors and sundry sweat-shops are not teeming ... UNICEF found in 1995 that "economic exploitation of children in India is ...
http://www.ashanet.org/library/articles/frontline.199801.html

Globalisation - the human cost
In North India, children hand stitching footballs for Mitre receive 14 ... Anton Foek, Sweatshop Barbie: Exploitation of Third World World Labour, ...
http://home.clara.net/heureka/gaia/global02.htm

9713—Where'd You Get That Outfit?—4/1/97
I'm aware of exploitation of immigrant workers, in some of the sweat shops in ... to children in India in glass factories working in incredibly dangerous ...
http://www.commongroundradio.org/shows/97/9713.html

Global March Against Child Labour - From Exploitation to Education
India: Child labour at Rohini courts complex; inquiry ordered ... In one sweatshop, children were finishing a summer dress, now on sale for £16.99 in 250 ...
http://www.globalmarch.org/clns/clns-april-2007-details.php

IHS Child Slave Labor News :: Reasons for Child Slave Labor
BBC World Service reported the balls in the world rugby champion ship competition was made by hand by underpaid Pakistani children in sweat shops. ...
http://ihscslnews.org/view_article.php?id=142

We've tried fining big business but the Republicans want the cheap labor and the Democrats want the votes so we may possibly never win. How sad our country will be turned into another 3rd world country because of our pathetic politicians.:mad:
Are they your only options?

What does India have to do with illegal immigration in the US? Or sweatshops owned by American corporations(although I think outsourcing and downsizing of factories are large contributers to the unemployment). Anyway, what are we doing right now to fix the immigration problems? Why don't we set up indentured servitude or something. Also, whoever said illegal aliens get paid a lot is fucking crazy. Illegals are the only people who have it bad in America.

Bells

Illegal migrants from Canada as well? Or just the swarthy ones from the south?

Just which illegal migrants do you have a problem with? You seem to concentrate only on the ones from Mexico, when there are illegal migrants from all over the world residing and working in the US.

I have a problem with any illegal immigrant, I don't care were they come from, it is just as stated by sandy,

Originally Posted by sandy
No but they are bringing back diseases we eradicated years ago. Many states have seen increases in whooping-cough, TB, worms, parasites, and all kinds of other diseases.

They are not screened for health problems, and they are reintroducing diseases back into this country that we wiped out generations ago, if this isn't a problem in your opinion, I hope the wheel comes for you.
And it isn't just the Health Problems, how about the criminal one, a lot of the Illegal are fleeing the justice systems of their own countries, and they don't stop their criminal activity just because they cross the border, remember they are criminals already, and don't give me the political asylum tears, if they went through the legal immigration, and all they have to do is report at immigration entry, the government would then be able help protect them in this country, and Keep them from being exploited.

Almost everyday I read another sickening report of criminal aliens killing Americans. Many have been drunk drivers with rap sheets as long as your arm. Yesterday I was almost hit in an intersection when a Mexican-looking guy driving a red pickup truck blew through the red light at about 60 mph.:mad:

Here are a few other interesting stories:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55440

Almost everyday I read another sickening report of criminal aliens killing Americans
But of course it's okay when American criminals kill Americans?
Yesterday I was almost hit in an intersection when a Mexican-looking guy driving a red pickup truck blew through the red light at about 60 mph.
And an American-looking guy has never done this?

No. It's never ok for any AMERICAN citizen to kill another AMERICAN citizen (except while enforcing the death penalty or defending themselves.)

It just overburdens our already over-filled courts when we now have 20 million+ criminal aliens in the mix.

And no. An "American-looking" guy never tried to run me over in an intersection.

Oniw17

Anyway, what are we doing right now to fix the immigration problems?

Because of the greed of many politicians, nothing is allowed to be done, and there are Democrats, and Republicans who fit this, from those who want the votes (Democrats)and the American working people to pay for the medical care, suffer the reintroduction of diseases wiped out generations ago, suffer under the crime problems brought to this country, the cost of incarceration of illegal who murder, rape, deal drugs, steal, and kill us on the roads of America, and the depression of wages, by the ability to employ illegal, Because they want the U.S. to pay for their sense of guilt, they don't pay for this out of their own pockets if you notice, to RINOs, (Republicans In Name Only)who want the cheep labor, We aren't doing a thing, Now as a Conservative, what we need to do is enforce the Laws, immigration to drug, murder, labor, and any other on the books, go back to the Constitution as the founding Law of the Land, and suffer the pain of doing something to solve the problem.
What I see happening, if we do this is that the taxes go down, we aren't supporting illegal in the welfare system, more money to take care of our own citizens, cost of our prisons go down and we need less of them, and reduce the violent criminals who prey on our innocent victims, the health care system cost would be reduced, because we aren't treating illegal who in the end don't pay for the treatment,, wages go up, because the market has a new parodying, no under the table pay,
Also, whoever said illegal aliens get paid a lot is fucking crazy. Illegal are the only people who have it bad in America.

Oniw17
Why don't we set up indentured servitude or something. Also, whoever said illegal aliens get paid a lot is fucking crazy.

And exactly what is indentured servitude? just another name for slavery, are you really in favor of turning all of the illegal into slaves? I think you need to re-think this idea.

Oniw17

Illegals are the only people who have it bad in America.

How old are you? and you think it is only illegal that struggle for their daily lives? were do you live? you need to get out more, visit a few ghettos, the rural Appalachian counties in the south, the southern border were the brunt of the illegal cross, and in doing so, have destroyed the farms and ranches that are along the borders, forcing them into poverty, dam I forget that you are only 16, you need to look, and see what you are looking at.

Oniw17

What does India have to do with illegal immigration in the US? Or sweatshops owned by American corporations

sam, kettle calling pot black.

The fact that sam when she needed her education, went to the best, America, to acquire it, and then does nothing but condemn a country that made it possible to achieve her needs. Even at that what has she done with that education? She is Moslem, and they don't take well to their women doing anything outside the home unless closely supervised by their men, which begs the question of sam being on the web?
The fact that sam wants the U.S. to pay for everything that is wrong around the world, and the fact is that the U.S. isn't responsible for all of those problems, it is just that sam want our money, you notice that she doesn't use her own, it is a genetic failure in the liberal, they always have these grand schemes, but then were do they go for the money, their own pockets? no, they go after yours, they take your money, through taxes and sure charges, and them brag on how they did something out standing.
Now it would really be out standing if they used their own money, not ours.
And for the last reason, she failed to answer the question ask, she just changed the subject to a attack on the U.S. and what she perceives as its failures, so in fairness should we not be able to look at the failures of her India in living up to the standards that she demands?

Oniw17



Because of the greed of many politicians, nothing is allowed to be done, and there are Democrats, and Republicans who fit this, from those who want the votes (Democrats)and the American working people to pay for the medical care, suffer the reintroduction of diseases wiped out generations ago, suffer under the crime problems brought to this country, the cost of incarceration of illegal who murder, rape, deal drugs, steal, and kill us on the roads of America, and the depression of wages, by the ability to employ illegal, Because they want the U.S. to pay for their sense of guilt, they don't pay for this out of their own pockets if you notice, to RINOs, (Republicans In Name Only)who want the cheep labor, We aren't doing a thing, Now as a Conservative, what we need to do is enforce the Laws, immigration to drug, murder, labor, and any other on the books, go back to the Constitution as the founding Law of the Land, and suffer the pain of doing something to solve the problem.
What I see happening, if we do this is that the taxes go down, we aren't supporting illegal in the welfare system, more money to take care of our own citizens, cost of our prisons go down and we need less of them, and reduce the violent criminals who prey on our innocent victims, the health care system cost would be reduced, because we aren't treating illegal who in the end don't pay for the treatment,, wages go up, because the market has a new parodying, no under the table pay, Isn't that a bit inefficient? Aren't there a lot of illegal immigrants here?

Oniw17


And exactly what is indentured servitude? just another name for slavery,A temporary, conditional slavery. I support this method to replace prison sentences aswell. It won't happen, I know....
are you really in favor of turning all of the illegal into slaves? I think you need to re-think this idea.Not the children.
Oniw17

How old are you? and you think it is only illegal that struggle for their daily lives? were do you live? you need to get out more, visit a few ghettos, the rural Appalachian counties in the south, the southern border were the brunt of the illegal cross, and in doing so, have destroyed the farms and ranches that are along the borders, forcing them into poverty, dam I forget that you are only 16, you need to look, and see what you are looking at. I don't know anything about farms or ranches, but I know that those people can get help . With 8 kids at the moment, my mom lives fine off a welfare check and food stamps, and we have HBO + the internet. Granted, I do work from time to time, but I usually save my money unless my mom asks me for some. Living in America is easy. You can support 8 kids by not doing anything.

Oniw17

Isn't that a bit inefficient? Aren't there a lot of illegal immigrants here ?

No, painful yes, but in the end it will result in a far more efficient system.

A temporary, conditional slavery. I support this method to replace prison sentences aswell. It won't happen, I know....

Temporary conditions tend to become permanent, and slavery is slavery no matter how you define it

Not the children.

And how do you stop this? what do they have to look forward to as they grow up? when they come of age, being a indentured slave? great life, would you live so? would you wish to grow up with that to look forward to?


I don't know anything about farms or ranches, but I know that those people can get help . With 8 kids at the moment, my mom lives fine off a welfare check and food stamps, and we have HBO + the internet. Granted, I do work from time to time, but I usually save my money unless my mom asks me for some. Living in America is easy. You can support 8 kids by not doing anything.

And that is your problem, you don't know,

Your Mom at this time has 8 children, and lives fine? she plans for more? paid for by my money, paid for by my dollars, and you live just fine, you don't have very high aspirations, Hell I just became able to afford cable, let alone any HBO, and the cable I have is the minim just so I have internet access, Don't get me wrong, I do live a decent life, I'm not rich, but I'm not poor, I worked my ass off to get were I am today, but I have and make to much to qualify for any of the forms of welfare.
You know that they can get help? How about you take a trip outside you own little protected world that I am forced to support, and smell the coffee, get a little world education, experience, knowledge of the real world, and then maybe you might know what you are talking about.

Also, whoever said illegal aliens get paid a lot is fucking crazy. Illegal are the only people who have it bad in America.

hey, I've edited my text for better comprehension. take a look:

I think even if you try hard, you can't convince them to stop employing cheap workers. These peolple earn lots of money paying a little for their work!
I think you've got it now.

miharu_br

Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam
Also, whoever said illegal aliens get paid a lot is fucking crazy. Illegal are the only people who have it bad in America.


Not my quote, it belongs to Oniw17


Oniw17

What does India have to do with illegal immigration in the US? Or sweatshops owned by American corporations(although I think outsourcing and downsizing of factories are large contributers to the unemployment). Anyway, what are we doing right now to fix the immigration problems? Why don't we set up indentured servitude or something. Also, whoever said illegal aliens get paid a lot is fucking crazy. (Illegals are the only people who have it bad in America.)

Now what is your point?

Lazy people don't want to work. They have an entitlement mentality. Some like to collect welfare/foodstamps/ medical care off hard-working American citizens.:(

Yeah why can't they get used to working for next to nothing without health insurance and food stamps to overcome their food insecurity, I'll never know. Good thing they work for minimum wage or less otherwise we'd soon see the back of them.:bugeye:

Almost everyday I read another sickening report of criminal aliens killing Americans. Many have been drunk drivers with rap sheets as long as your arm. Yesterday I was almost hit in an intersection when a Mexican-looking guy driving a red pickup truck blew through the red light at about 60 mph.:mad:

Here are a few other interesting stories:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55440

Good thing gun control means us fat ass stoopid Americans can use them immigrants fro tragte prectise

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/05/22/vigilante/index.html

That'll larn them basturds. *spit*

And no. An "American-looking" guy never tried to run me over in an intersection.
Either your comprehension skills or your expositional powers are lacking. It's apparently gone from "jumping a red light" to "trying to run you over". The question was about jumping a red light...

Oniw17
No, painful yes, but in the end it will result in a far more efficient system. So why hasn't it happened yet?
And how do you stop this? what do they have to look forward to as they grow up? when they come of age, being a indentured slave? great life, would you live so? would you wish to grow up with that to look forward to?Less people would want to come here illegally then?
You know that they can get help?No, why is this allowed?
And that is your problem, you don't know,
I don't know what?
Your Mom at this time has 8 children, and lives fine?
Yes.
she plans for more?
I doubt it; she'll be 52 when her youngest child turns 18. She has been looking for a job though.
paid for by my money, paid for by my dollars, and you live just fine, Indeed.
you don't have very high aspirations,
You know this?
out you take a trip outside you own little protected world that I am forced to support, and smell the coffee, get a little world education, experience, knowledge of the real world, and then maybe you might know what you are talking about.Where is it you want me to go?

Now what is your point?
they're not the only people who have it bad. Everyone that is suffering with bad conditions go into this conception, IMO. OK, nonsense. Whatever.

miharu_br

they're not the only people who have it bad. Everyone that is suffering with bad conditions go into this conception,

It is a condition of living, being alive, yes their are many who have it bad, and what make them great, and to be admired, is how they deal with it, do they do it with dignity and honor, or do they sell their honor, become criminals, and live off the work of others, if the illegal came legally they would have more pay, and legal protections from our laws against those that would exploited them.

There is a old saying "That which cannot be cured must be endured."

So if they don't want to cure the problem come out of the shadows, and do things legally, then they have to endure.

I totally agree ^^

“ Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam
Oniw17
No, painful yes, but in the end it will result in a far more efficient system. ”

So why hasn't it happened yet?

Read my post #50

“ And how do you stop this? what do they have to look forward to as they grow up? when they come of age, being a indentured slave? great life, would you live so? would you wish to grow up with that to look forward to? ”

Less people would want to come here illegally then?

This is the solution that you proposed, so you tell me?

“ You know that they can get help? ”

No, why is this allowed?

Because their is no Nation that can support all of those in need.

“ paid for by my money, paid for by my dollars, and you live just fine, ”

Indeed.

And your proud of this?

“ out you take a trip outside you own little protected world that I am forced to support, and smell the coffee, get a little world education, experience, knowledge of the real world, and then maybe you might know what you are talking about. ”

Where is it you want me to go?

Out into the world, see for your self the reality of what you try to speak of, gain some knowledge.

Illegal migrants from Canada as well? Or just the swarthy ones from the south?:rolleyes:

Just which illegal migrants do you have a problem with? You seem to concentrate only on the ones from Mexico, when there are illegal migrants from all over the world residing and working in the US.

LOL Fuck you Canadians Generally like to stay in Canada nowdays, thank you very much.

heheheh, let's let it be, people...

Which explains why their employers hire them preferentially.

I mean, one can so totally see Americans unloading trash cans and swabbing floors at $5.15 an hour and happily swinging their mops and buckets in glee.


I have done that kind of work a long time ago. (except the glee part) Care to shake my hand?

Yeah why can't they get used to working for next to nothing without health insurance and food stamps to overcome their food insecurity, I'll never know. Good thing they work for minimum wage or less otherwise we'd soon see the back of them.:bugeye:

Hmmm. How'd they get in that particular predicament sam? How did they end up working below minimum wage without Health insurance? How did they end up working in a country whose national language a large percentage of them can barely speak? What despicable human being put them in that horrible situation.


Oh.

I forgot.

They came here

Just curious, Sam, does India permit anyone, of any nation or group, immigrate to India by just showing up in the nation? Does India give free citizenship to anyone on Earth anytime they want it or ask?
Baron Max
Those are not the right questions.

The right question is, is India an immigrant nation? Do descendants of immigrants with a Statue of Liberty that claims "give me your willing to do the dirty jobs at less than minimum wages, deperate types" have a right to decide who should be the next generation of GMYWTDTDJALTMWDTs?In other words, no.

pretty much

Can't you just answer the effin question?
who? samcdkey? ? ?
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The criminal aliens cleaning houses for $25/hr cash in CA and doing construction work for $25/hr cash, not paying taxes, and sending most of their money home to Mexico are not suffering in the least.If that is truely the case then it seems many Americans would be willing to work cash-in-hand/under-the-table and do that work? I was under the impression that the immigrants simply are doing work that no one else wants to do?


I think that a person hiring illegal immigrants should be heavily fined and maybe jailed for a few months.

We should also start a work program with temp VISAs for people who want to work.


Michael

Hmmm. How'd they get in that particular predicament sam? How did they end up working below minimum wage without Health insurance? How did they end up working in a country whose national language a large percentage of them can barely speak? What despicable human being put them in that horrible situation.


Oh.

I forgot.

They came here

Yup just like the guys who came over to America from England when there was poverty and overpopulation during the reign of James I.

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stop it ! ! your killing me.! :roflmao:Haa that is classic Sam :)
mikenostic, get used to it!

Sam, nice cartoon :)

Thread:

It still think there is something wrong in America. Someone is bullshitting someone.So I hear we NEED immigrants because American citizens will not do the work. Also, for some reason we can only pay $5.50/hour (~$200/wk) or we'll simply go out of business.

Well then, (1) get the work VISAs if Americans truly will not work (which I just don't think is the case) and (2) I don't get it: AU can pay banana pickers $18.00/hour (and higher taxes) and still sell bananas for $1-2.00/KG? Why then is it NOT possible to pay a decent wage to American fruit pickers in USA?

Something weird is going on???
What is it?
Because I think that's the main problem.. .. .. ..

Michael

samcdkey

Yup just like the guys who came over to America from England when there was poverty and overpopulation during the reign of James I.

And your logic on this is?

New World Tapestry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1635-41 New England Panel Nicholas Frost, Anne Hutchinson, John Eliot, Nathaniel Eaton, ... 1606 Guy Fawkes executed, King grants colonisation charters ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Tapestry

This would seem to say that the immigration of your mythical man was legal and proper. It list all of the grants in the New World.

United States, 1600–1800 A.D. | Timeline of Art History | The ...
1664 The British take control of New Amsterdam and New Netherlands. James II, king of England, grants the duke of York the colonial land and the name of the ...
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/09/na/ht09na.htm

MASSACHUSETTS BAY--COLONIZATION--NEW ENGLAND
We have noticed, in our account of Virginia, that King James in 1606 ... Other matters of importance, as the New England Confederacy, King Philip's War, ...
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/colonial/book/chap5_2.html

Might want to brush up on your history. Start with this months Time magazine.

samcdkey,

I ask for the logic of your assertion, and you can't even give a straight answer to that.

The early settlers from England came in several ways, As Grant Holders of the King, as member of the guilds and charters with the rights to exploit those grants, as people who were looking for a new start, so they joined those guilds and charters, as Indentured servants, to make passage to the New world, having to work off the cost of their passage before being able to colonize, as transportees to rid England prisons of their over crowding, all of them done under the legal system and laws of the King, so how do they equate with illegal aliens, who have come to a country with out going through the immigration system, so by not doing so they are illegal, and have broken the law, oh one last thing, when you came to America in those days guess what? no welfare, no medical benefits, and low wages, and you worked your ass off just to survive, that means keeping your self from dieing by, starving to death, freezing to death, cholera,smallpox, influenza, septic wounds, child birth, work injuries, Indian attacks, attacks from other Imperial land explorers, Pirates, or just about any way you could think of that could cost you your life.

So explain to me of the logic in your statement.

Almost everyday I read another sickening report of criminal aliens killing Americans.
So if an American kills a fellow American, it is somehow less sick?:bugeye:


Many have been drunk drivers with rap sheets as long as your arm. Yesterday I was almost hit in an intersection when a Mexican-looking guy driving a red pickup truck blew through the red light at about 60 mph.:mad:

And here we come to the crux of your issue. You simply don't like Mexicans. For all you know, the person who nearly ran you over might be an American citizen, born and bred there with a heavy tan. But :eek: ... he 'looks' Mexican, therefore he must be illegal!

You remind me of Pauline Hanson. An Australian politician who also rants as you do. You should read up on her, you have quite a bit in common.

I have a problem with any illegal immigrant, I don't care were they come from, it is just as stated by sandy,

Is it? She seems to be concentrating more on Mexicans than on any other illegal immigrants who live in the US.

They are not screened for health problems, and they are reintroducing diseases back into this country that we wiped out generations ago, if this isn't a problem in your opinion, I hope the wheel comes for you.
Wheel comes for me? Ermm ok. Can you make it a wheel of brie? After having given birth, I have been gorging myself on the stuff.

Anywho, wheels aside.. Diseases are also being brought into your country by Americans who go on holidays without having the proper shots. Or it enters with legal tourists also. You are blaming everything on illegal migrants and from where I am sitting, you and Sandy are a tad paranoid.

I find it interesting however how Sandy has been unable to reply to questions about whether she would be willing to do the menial labour that the illegal immigrants do, since if they are forced to leave, your country would be in a bit of trouble. How about you? Would you be willing to get your hands dirty to take up where they left off to ensure your economy can keep going and to ensure the menial tasks are done for little to nothing in wages?

And it isn't just the Health Problems, how about the criminal one, a lot of the Illegal are fleeing the justice systems of their own countries, and they don't stop their criminal activity just because they cross the border, remember they are criminals already, and don't give me the political asylum tears, if they went through the legal immigration, and all they have to do is report at immigration entry, the government would then be able help protect them in this country, and Keep them from being exploited.
A while ago, your President attempted to have illegal migrants be granted temporary working visas. This would have helped weed out the criminal element and would have given some of these hard working people the right to a fair wage and working conditions and they would in effect be made legal to work in the jobs that Americans are refusing to do (eg providing your country with a service since no one else wants to do them). But he was turned down.

How ANYONE can support these parasites' behavior is beyond me.:mad:

And what makes anyone think they will obey our laws once they're here when they broke our laws to get here?:confused:

The fact is they DON'T obey our laws even after they enter illegally. They lie, steal, cheat, and suck off our system.

I support arresting all of them, deporting them along with their anchor children, and making them pay a HUGE fine. It costs $10,000/year to educate a child here. Many rental properties have multiple kids in them who illegally attend our schools. One of my friends has a neighbor with 8 Hispanic kids living there. She has called the city numerous times but no one cares to do anything.:mad:

p.s. This is about CRIMINAL aliens NOT ones who come here legally. I don't care what color/race they are, if they are here illegally they need to go. And no I would never do the menial work. I have chosen to educate myself and work smart. There are no jobs Americans won't do. They just won't do them for too low a wage.

Some people came to work slaves too. And to trade in slaves. And many Atheists came to get away from the church :)

Actually many many reasons....

Michael, and since 1865 when has hat happened? legally? we fought a war to end slavery and enforce the rule of law, we need to do so again.

How ANYONE can support these parasites' behavior is beyond me.:mad:

wasn't our nation founded on immigration?
and 'illegal' immigration at that.

edit:
why aren't you getting all riled about operation paperclip?
google the term and see just how far the US government will go to secure technology.

Hey Sandy, think of Mexican illegals here as Mexico's payback to America for taking away California.

What comes around, goes around. I already explained illegal immigration in my thread called A logical Republican. Look it up.

But you got it right, corporate America LOVES illegals, and has the politicans in its pocket, so nothing ever will change.

So get used to it or move to a country with real democracy...

This is 2007. We have laws on our books preventing illegal immigration. Those who break them should be arrested and deported.:(

This is 2007. We have laws on our books preventing illegal immigration. Those who break them should be arrested and deported.:(
i am not against the immigrants themselves but against what is happening because of them.

p.s. This is about CRIMINAL aliens NOT ones who come here legally. I don't care what color/race they are, if they are here illegally they need to go. And no I would never do the menial work. I have chosen to educate myself and work smart. There are no jobs Americans won't do. They just won't do them for too low a wage.
LOL!

This is precious! So if you wont do them and your fellow Americans refuse to do them for a low wage, just who will do them?

After all, if the illegals are arrested, deported and fined, who will do the menial, low paying work you and other Americans refuse to do? Maybe if as your President stated, they be given temporary working visas even though they are entering the country illegally, it might actually help.

Is it? She seems to be concentrating more on Mexicans than on any other illegal immigrants who live in the US.


Because illegal immigrants from Mexico far outnumber those from Canada or other countries not bordering the US, so it's natural to worry more about them.

Because illegal immigrants from Mexico far outnumber those from Canada or other countries not bordering the US, so it's natural to worry more about them.The real reason is race & class. America has a history of hating non whites. Enslaving them, lynching them and keeping them poor. We also hate the poor, which most immigrants are.

Bells, may be the parasites that suck up the welfare because they are to lazy to work for the wages that the Illegal do, and the fact that the wages would have to go up, because those firms that are in business that hire illegal still need workers and the wages will have to go up to attract workers, or those business's will go out of business because they fail to meat their production goals, and delivery commitments? And if the Illegal if they would go back and get a workers visa might be able to get a decent wage, because the business that exploits them would not have the Illegal Status to hold over their heads, and keep the wages artificially low? and the government might even get enough in taxes that it would have enough money? but I doubt that, the Government never has enough.

The real reason is race & class. America has a history of hating non whites. Enslaving them, lynching them and keeping them poor. We also hate the poor, which most immigrants are.

then why don't we have minute men patrolling along the California coast for Japanese immigrants Genji? They are certainley not white. More yellow if anything.

then why don't we have minute men patrolling along the California coast for Japanese immigrants Genji? They are certainley not white. More yellow if anything.Look at the numbers of those moving to the USA from Japan and those from Mexico.

But still you said we hate non whites. So we should be keeping this country as albino as possible if we are as biased in immigration enforcement as you say.


I guarentee you that if we reversed it and Canadian immigrants were illegally coming in millions, getting the rewards of american life without the sacrifices, we'd hate their white asses just as much.

This is 2007. We have laws on our books preventing illegal immigration. Those who break them should be arrested and deported.:(

This time the LAPD settled for shooting rubber bullets into the crowd of women and children.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18437701/

This time the LAPD settled for shooting rubber bullets into the crowd of women and children.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18437701/That kinda thing doesn't bother racist anti immigrants. They would be supportive of live bullets being fired at women and children of non white descent.

I wouldn't give a shit if they were white black purple brown or any other color.

The mere fact that they have the balls to come here for a better life then bitch about not being treated fairly gets me angry enough to almost condone this. Sure shoot at the men but the women/kids was too far.



It's like your parents letting you stay rent free forever, then you bitching about your room not being big enough.

Genji

Look at the numbers of those moving to the USA from Japan and those from Mexico.

Would the fact that the majority of Japanese immigrants are doing so legally have any thing to do in this scenario?

Americans love Asians because Asians are perceived as very intelligent and very hard workers. The two qualities Americans love most.

Michael



* not to mention Asians are much cuter, have smooth skin and are usually skinnier :p*.

Genji



Would the fact that the majority of Japanese immigrants are doing so legally have any thing to do in this scenario?Would the fact that immigrants from Japan are nowhere near the numbers from Mexico?:rolleyes:

Let's get this straight: thousands of criminal aliens are jamming L.A. streets, costing us a fortune in extra security/police while they demand rights. They are basically spitting in the faces of our law enforcement officials who don't even ask them their status. F them!:mad:

Some of the criminal aliens throw rocks and bottles at police. The police warn them. Repeatedly. And they don't back off. 12+ policemen are injured. So police fire some rubber bullets and used batons to push the crowd back onto the sidewalk.

I think police should have used nets and gotten rid of the parasites in one fell swoop.

I liked this guy's picture. Not much of a speller, but good suggestion:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18425111/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/7/

http://wehategringos.com/whg/index.php

Let's get this straight: thousands of criminal aliens are jamming L.A. streets, costing us a fortune in extra security/police while they demand rights. They are basically spitting in the faces of our law enforcement officials who don't even ask them their status. F them!:mad:

Some of the criminal aliens throw rocks and bottles at police. The police warn them. Repeatedly. And they don't back off. 12+ policemen are injured. So police fire some rubber bullets and used batons to push the crowd back onto the sidewalk.

I think police should have used nets and gotten rid of the parasites in one fell swoop.

I liked this guy's picture. Not much of a speller, but good suggestion:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18425111/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/7/

http://wehategringos.com/whg/index.phpAdapt. They will be the majority population in the US within a decade. Already are in several states. You xenophobes are in for a surprise!!

Genji

Would the fact that immigrants from Japan are nowhere near the numbers from Mexico?

Legality Gengi, Legality, if you try really, really, really, really, try hard you might have a flash of inspiration, and finally put your finger on it.

The funny thing Gengi is that my friends of Hispanic extraction don't like the Illegal any more than I do, they are proud to be Legal American, their are proud of the Fact that their forbearers came here legally, and did thing the right and legal way, and they have no sympathy for those who won't do the same.

http://wehategringos.com/whg/index.php

I think the fact you can even visit a site such called 'we hate gringos' kinds of make you out to be a racist and a bigot.

You still have not been able to give one single solution as to who exactly will do the menial labour these people do.

Bells

You still have not been able to give one single solution as to who exactly will do the menial labour these people do.

And why should that matter? if it important enough to get done it will get done, people will pay what ever is needed to have it done and for enough money people will do almost anything.

Bells

I think the fact you can even visit a site such called 'we hate gringos' kinds of make you out to be a racist and a bigot.

and i could say the same for many of the sites that you post.

Bells



and i could say the same for many of the sites that you post.

Such as?

Lets see. I tend to refer mostly to news sites that are well known and recognised. I also refer to human rights sites such as Human Rights Watch, Amensty International and UN sites. I also refer to university studies. Yes, really racist and bigotted.:rolleyes:

Since you have made such a statement, I expect some links to the posts where I have posted racist and bigotted sites. I wait with bated breath Buff.



And why should that matter? if it important enough to get done it will get done, people will pay what ever is needed to have it done and for enough money people will do almost anything.
Herein lies your blindness. It matters greatly as if the illegal migrants are rounded up and "netted" if Sandy had her way, and the businesses that employed them refused to pay a good wage to Americans to take up the baton to do those jobs, you'd be up the creek without a paddle. After all, if the majority of Americans believe as Sandy does and refuses to do menial labour because she considers herself educated, and businesses refuse to pay huge wages for such work, what exactly will happen to your economy?

You need a plan of action before you simply kick them all out or round them up and shoot them.. probably Sandy's dream.

I think the fact you can even visit a site such called 'we hate gringos' kinds of make you out to be a racist and a bigot.
You still have not been able to give one single solution as to who exactly will do the menial labour these people do.

I thought name-calling was not allowed here:confused: When I googled for a link for the story about the 12 cops, that was the first to appear.

Legal immigrants who want to do the menial jobs will do them. Guest workers will do them too. In the absence of these two groups, Americans will do the jobs but businesses will have to pay a decent wage.

My Hispanic friends say the same thing as Buffalo's. They despise the criminal aliens and their behavior.

You can attack me all you want. I don't care. How anyone can support these
parasites is beyond my thinking.:(

I thought name-calling was not allowed here:confused: When I googled for a link for the story about the 12 cops, that was the first to appear.

No! Really? There's a surprise.

Legal immigrants who want to do the menial jobs will do them. Guest workers will do them too. In the absence of these two groups, Americans will do the jobs but businesses will have to pay a decent wage.
Interesting.

So only Americans are deserving of a decent wage? Legal migrants and 'guest workers' should not be eligible for a decent wage?

My Hispanic friends say the same thing as Buffalo's. They despise the criminal aliens and their behavior.
Do they all kill and try to run you over?

The way you are carrying on, you'd think every single illegal immigrant in the US was stark raving mad and rabid, out to kill all and sundry. The fact is the greater majority live and work quietly and do the work YOU refuse to do because you consider yourself educated.

Again, not all illegal migrants are hispanic. Many are from other countries as well, such as those who outstay their visa, etc.

You can attack me all you want. I don't care. How anyone can support these
parasites is beyond my thinking.
I am not attacking you. I have asked you some reasonable questions in regards to your thread and responses and you have failed to answer a single one of them. So be it. I am sure you have your reasons. Making yourself out to be the martyr does not work with me. Not only am I not in the mood to pander, I find beliefs such as yours to be quite ridiculous.

For example, you say that a friend of yours lives next to hispanics who have 8 children and your friend has reported them to the 'city'. You automatically equate them to be illegal immigrants because they are hispanics. You equate a "Mexican looking" man who nearly ran you down as being somehow illegal.

Paranoid and a tad silly to be honest.

Bells,

You came here to cry about what happened to you in the hospital, we (myself included) placated you as you went off on a tangent of ripping the doctors head off, destroying her etc....
GETTING HER FIRED for a little mistake etc. etc. etc.

Then the old people, who now look to be justified in hitting you with a stick, i can only imagine what you did to them.

For example, you say that a friend of yours lives next to hispanics who have 8 children and your friend has reported them to the 'city'. You automatically equate them to be illegal immigrants because they are hispanics. You equate a "Mexican looking" man who nearly ran you down as being somehow illegal.

You would be the first to report them! You would be right there complaining about them and we allready got a taste of your violent side so what more needs to be said:shrug:

Paraphrase: "nobopdy messes with my family" or nobody takes anything away from US.:)

there is a whole shitload of problems concerning illegals, most come from the fact that they are unknown.
they do not pay taxes for one.
they use resources that can't be accounted for for another.

a typical example of the arrogance of hispanics:
i was in a store and witnessed the following scene.
a customer (hispanic) was checking out some dresses and saying stuff to the clerk in spanish.
the clerk was being helpful in accommodating the customer.
the clerk apparently knew the woman was hispanic and told her that he would find someone that spoke spanish.
the woman looked at him and said (in english) "i know how to speak english".
that happened over 7 years ago and i remember it like yesterday.

Bells,

You came here to cry about what happened to you in the hospital, we (myself included) placated you as you went off on a tangent of ripping the doctors head off, destroying her etc....
GETTING HER FIRED for a little mistake etc. etc. etc.

i must've missed this. got a link?

there is a whole shitload of problems concerning illegals, most come from the fact that they are unknown.
they do not pay taxes for one.
they use resources that can't be accounted for for another.

a typical example of the arrogance of hispanics:
i was in a store and witnessed the following scene.
a customer (hispanic) was checking out some dresses and saying stuff to the clerk in spanish.
the clerk was being helpful in accommodating the customer.
the clerk apparently knew the woman was hispanic and told her that he would find someone that spoke spanish.
the woman looked at him and said (in english) "i know how to speak english".
that happened over 7 years ago and i remember it like yesterday.

The biggest problem i see is medical and hospitalisation, people dont realise that some in U.S hospitals they dont let you die in the ER if you cannot pay. But someone has to pay for it and the midication that all these U.S haters run for and want to give away for free by patent theft WE PAY FOR IT NOT YOU.

TBH i say we suck it up and find the positive untill other countries provide for them lets earn their loyalty and give them rifles.:shrug: ...nah jk.

Leo, i dont have the link but you will see Bell's when something directly effects HER or HER homeland and it's pitchfork time.

Bells,

You came here to cry about what happened to you in the hospital, we (myself included) placated you as you went off on a tangent of ripping the doctors head off, destroying her etc....
GETTING HER FIRED for a little mistake etc. etc. etc.

Then the old people, who now look to be justified in hitting you with a stick, i can only imagine what you did to them.


Err yes John. A doctor acts negligently, nearly resulting in my death and that of my child's death when I went into labour really has something to do with the subject of illegal aliens.

Her actions were hardly a "little mistake". Her so called "little mistake" nearly killed me and my son and has now resulted in my NEVER being able to have any more children. I was advised of this yesterday after an appointment with her boss. And you think I don't have a right to be angry? Even her boss was surprised it took me so long to file a complaint against her actions and has made all the relevant documents available to me if I decide to go ahead with legal action, something I had not planned to do, but in light of the fact I can now no longer have any more children because of her "little mistake", my husband and I are now discussing what exactly we will do. She does not deserve to practice medicine. She was being investigated by the hospital for what she did even before I filed the complaint.

As for the old man who hit me for no good reason with his walking stick.. I did nothing to him. I didn't even call the police.

What kind of petty individual are you to even bring this up in this thread, that has nothing to do with the subject at hand? If this is your way of trying to get even because I am taking a different stance to you and others, you're down right low and frankly disgusting!

You would be the first to report them! You would be right there complaining about them and we allready got a taste of your violent side so what more needs to be said
Huh?

Why would I report them? Unless there was a suspicion of abuse or child abandonment, why would I or anyone else report them?

And my violent side? Have you lost your mind?

The biggest problem i see is medical and hospitalisation, people dont realise that some in U.S hospitals they dont let you die in the ER if you cannot pay. But someone has to pay for it and the midication that all these U.S haters run for and want to give away for free by patent theft WE PAY FOR IT NOT YOU.
Not only do you not make sense, you are rambling.

Some of these people pay taxes. No ER should let anyone die, whether they can pay for it or not. No doctor should let anyone die because the individual cannot pay for it or might be an illegal alien.

I am not a fan of illegal migration. But it happens. Does not mean they should be treated like animals for wanting to try for a better life elsewhere. Bush even recognised this when he tried to have their status changed and have them come in to be registered for temporary working visas, because even he recognises that they are doing the work that Americans refuse to do and the work needs to be done. But his fellow Republicans and Democrats refused. Something I find astounding.

And yes, someone has to pay for it. Tell me John, being the so called lover of mankind that you supposedly show yourself to be, would you refuse treatment to a child of an illegal alien because some of your tax dollars might go towards said treatment?

Um Bells, first of all illegals DO NOT PAY TAXES ON INCOME, think about it how could they?

And yes, someone has to pay for it. Tell me John, being the so called lover of mankind that you supposedly show yourself to be, would you refuse treatment to a child of an illegal alien because some of your tax dollars might go towards said treatment?

NO, and they wouldnt get an aspirin with my tax dollars my girlfriend pays all the taxes:) and i have no say in where it goes, i dont earn any money myself. I checked my bank balance and i have $300 dollars in my account, i really dont care much about personal wealth. But i am a homekeeper so that is my job.

I just dont see why you are giving Sandy such a hard time, she is a very nice person.

And your proud of this?You're asking me if I'm proud that I live somewhere where people born poor such as myself can get HBO and the internet(thanks to hard-working middle-class citizens like yourself)? I guess. I live in a commonwealth right now, so it's even better.

Americans refuse to do them for a low wage, just who will do them?

Meatfactories in Nebraska and Walmart... :eek:

Oniw17

You're asking me if I'm proud that I live somewhere where people born poor such as myself can get HBO and the internet(thanks to hard-working middle-class citizens like yourself)? I guess. I live in a commonwealth right now, so it's even better.

No I am asking if you are proud that you have lived on the forced charity of others Labor, and Sweat? that you just sit there and use other peoples money to live, who do you think provides the money so you can live? the Government? no it is the working people who the government forces to support you, with taxes, shorting their pay check that they need to support their families, they go with out HBO, because they can't afford it, their children enter the military to get the money for college, because of the fact that it as very difficult to save enough money with the taxes were are paying , they can't afford 8 children because they don't have the money to pay for them, and they don't have the medical insurance to pay for the cost of the deliveries, So I am asking, are you proud of your life style, paid for by others.

Bells- Let's say the 8 kids story and the almost getting run over story happened in an area that is mostly known as a sanctuary city for criminal aliens. Big diff huh?
I could tell you of my own personal horror stories with criminal aliens. They would make your skin crawl.
Paranoid and silly? Nah. Reality at its' worst.:(

Um Bells, first of all illegals DO NOT PAY TAXES ON INCOME, think about it how could they?

If they get a paycheck, then state and federal taxes are taken out, as well as social security. They also pay sales tax.

One of the biggest problems in simply deporting them is that there are 12-15 million of them. Such a mass exodus of people is practically impossible and expensive, probably around a billion dollars.

Secondly, due to US law, the children of these illegal immigrants are US citizens. Do you propose to break up families? If not, you can't legally deport US citizens that have broken no law.

If they get a paycheck, then state and federal taxes are taken out, as well as social security. They also pay sales tax.
wrong.
most illegals are paid "under the table" meaning no taxes.
Secondly, due to US law, the children of these illegal immigrants are US citizens.
and it's high time we changed this.
i believe that in order to be classed as a US citizen the parents must be at least naturalized.

If they get a paycheck, then state and federal taxes are taken out, as well as social security. They also pay sales tax.

Nope, that ain't true, Spider! That ONLY happens if the workers have a social security number ...how many illegal aliens do you know that have VALID social security numbers????

One of the biggest problems in simply deporting them is that there are 12-15 million of them. Such a mass exodus of people is practically impossible and expensive, probably around a billion dollars.

That's also ONLY true if we do it in some major sweep of the nation. But it's simple ...if we just start doing it the easy way; Fine employers who hire/pay the illegals; Fine landlords who rent to them; arrest illegals who are caught driving cars; .... If it's done in a piecemeal way, continually arresting them and sending them back, the cost is spread out over a long period of time - manageable.

Secondly, due to US law, the children of these illegal immigrants are US citizens. Do you propose to break up families? If not, you can't legally deport US citizens that have broken no law.

They have a choice; take the kids or leave them in the care of the state. See? It's simple if we just face the facts without going into overly emotional rhetoric.

Baron Max

Bells- Let's say the 8 kids story and the almost getting run over story happened in an area that is mostly known as a sanctuary city for criminal aliens. Big diff huh?
I could tell you of my own personal horror stories with criminal aliens. They would make your skin crawl.
Paranoid and silly? Nah. Reality at its' worst.:(

Criminal aliens and evil mooslim terrorists?

You even beat Buff hollow and he takes the cake.:D

Criminal aliens and evil mooslim terrorists?

I don't get it, Sam, are you saying/implying that those two groups don't exist?

Baron Max

I don't get it, Sam, are you saying/implying that those two groups don't exist?

Baron Max

I/he/she/it am/can/will/should have/are imply/say/do/will.

They are "criminal" aliens. They broke our laws to get here. That makes them criminals. They are here illegally. That is criminal. I call 'em as I see 'em.

I could call the evil muslim terrorists "freedom fighters" but that would be a pathetic lie. They have hijacked a religion and killed innocent people all over the world in the same of said religion. Again, I call 'em as I see 'em.

I think criminal aliens and evil muslim terrorists are the biggest threats to the USA right now. Thank God President Bush is fighting the terrorists. I wish he would use the same tactics to get rid of the criminal aliens.

They are "criminal" aliens. They broke our laws to get here. That makes them criminals. They are here illegally. That is criminal. I call 'em as I see 'em.

I could call the evil muslim terrorists "freedom fighters" but that would be a pathetic lie. They have hijacked a religion and killed innocent people all over the world in the same of said religion. Again, I call 'em as I see 'em.

I think criminal aliens and evil muslim terrorists are the biggest threats to the USA right now. Thank God President Bush is fighting the terrorists. I wish he would use the same tactics to get rid of the criminal aliens.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?:rolleyes:

Would you like some cheese with that whine?:rolleyes:

Sam, if that's the only kind of posts that you can use to respond to a topic, please don't do it. First, it just shows that you don't know anything about the topic, and second, it shows that all you're doing is trying stir up controversy and anger.

Please stop, okay?

Baron Max

Nope, that ain't true, Spider! That ONLY happens if the workers have a social security number ...how many illegal aliens do you know that have VALID social security numbers????
I don't know any personally, but many illegals have SS #'s.
Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security with Billions (http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/10128)


They have a choice; take the kids or leave them in the care of the state. See? It's simple if we just face the facts without going into overly emotional rhetoric.
Care of the state? Isn't that welfare? Do you realize how many new orphans you are talking about, never mind the psychological trauma?

Sam, if that's the only kind of posts that you can use to respond to a topic, please don't do it. First, it just shows that you don't know anything about the topic, and second, it shows that all you're doing is trying stir up controversy and anger.

Please stop, okay?

Baron Max

Muslim terrorists and criminal aliens? demonising people is an American pastime aimed at blinding the public to the reality of US foreign policy and domestic corporate politics. Anyone who swallows that shit needs a brain transplant.

And anyone who doesn't acknowledge that criminal aliens and evil muslim terrorists are two of our biggest threats/problems, has NO CLUE about America.

And anyone who doesn't acknowledge that criminal aliens and evil muslim terrorists are two of our biggest threats/problems, has NO CLUE about America.

Anyone who thinks they are have no clue about reality.

I don't know any personally, but many illegals have SS #'s.

Yeah, .....ILLEGALLY!! One must be a citizen to have a valid social security number. They can be arrested, and many have been, for holding ILLEGALLY obtained SS#'s.

Care of the state? Isn't that welfare? Do you realize how many new orphans you are talking about, never mind the psychological trauma?

Ain't my kids or I'd have taken better care of them!! If the illegals don't want that to happen to their kids, they shouldn't have spawned them, or they should take them back to their own fuckin' country. It's up to them.

Baron Max

Yeah, .....ILLEGALLY!! One must be a citizen to have a valid social security number. They can be arrested, and many have been, for holding ILLEGALLY obtained SS#'s.



Ain't my kids or I'd have taken better care of them!! If the illegals don't want that to happen to their kids, they shouldn't have spawned them, or they should take them back to their own fuckin' country. It's up to them.

Baron Max
um...no.
permanent residents also have SS#'s.
as usual, you dont have the faintest clue of what you are railing against.

Anyone who thinks they are have no clue about reality.

Yeah, Sam, ....reality is like the Dharavi slums in Mumbai, huh? The Indian government does nothing for them and lets them live and work in hovels beside the open sewers of the city.

Reality, Sam ...or can't you face it in your own stinkin' country? You feel self-righteous complaining about the USA when you have things like that in your own nation?

Baron Max

um...no. permanent residents also have SS#'s.

"Permanent residents" are NOT ILLEGAL aliens. Permanent residents have gone throught the LEGAL process to become citizens.

as usual, you dont have the faintest clue of what you are railing against.

Now who doesn't know???

Baron Max

Yeah, Sam, ....reality is like the Dharavi slums in Mumbai, huh? The Indian government does nothing for them and lets them live and work in hovels beside the open sewers of the city.

Reality, Sam ...or can't you face it in your own stinkin' country? You feel self-righteous complaining about the USA when you have things like that in your own nation?

Baron Max

Dude you have no clue. They export leather jackets to Canada from Dharavi!:D

And when the government offered them alternate housing, they put them up for rent and stayed put!

Dude you have no clue. They export leather jackets to Canada from Dharavi!

And the residents of Dharavi make so much money that they have to live beside the open sewers and one room hovels with 10-15 people?? Hmm, leather jackets must be damned cheap in Canada, huh?

And what of the Dharavians who recondition the cooking-oil cans so as to make a living? And the ones who crush old, dried paint chips so as to reconstitute paint to sell? And what of the ones who shit and piss over the side of the open sewers ...in plain sight of all of their neighbors???

And when the government offered them alternate housing, they put them up for rent and stayed put!

Hmm, that's not what National Geographic magazine had to say about it. You should read it, Sam, then you can come back and shows us where NG was all wrong (because it's an American magazine, of course!).

Baron Max

And the residents of Dharavi make so much money that they have to live beside the open sewers and one room hovels with 10-15 people?? Hmm, leather jackets must be damned cheap in Canada, huh?

And what of the Dharavians who recondition the cooking-oil cans so as to make a living? And the ones who crush old, dried paint chips so as to reconstitute paint to sell? And what of the ones who shit and piss over the side of the open sewers ...in plain sight of all of their neighbors???



Hmm, that's not what National Geographic magazine had to say about it. You should read it, Sam, then you can come back and shows us where NG was all wrong (because it's an American magazine, of course!).

Baron Max

I live there, remember?:D

http://www3.oag.com/Cities/Detail?city=683&cat=28&item=323815

The state's policy of gifting free houses to slum dwellers has been mired in controversy ever since it was introduced by the Shiv Sena-BJP government a decade ago.

Slum Rehabilitation Authority officials said 25% of the families, who have been given accommodation in about 60,000 free tenements through various schemes, have illegally sold their houses and moved out.

For instance, in the largest SRA project in Tardeo's MP Mill compound, about 2,500 families were shifted to newly-constructed buildings free of cost.

However, several of them sold their tenements for as much as Rs 10 lakh each. Architect Arvind Adarkar said: "Putting them in highrises is not the solution because you deprive them of their economic activity, which is located just outside their houses."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1386244.cms

I could call the evil muslim terrorists "freedom fighters" but that would be a pathetic lie.
what do you call evil christian terrorists?

I live there, remember?

And yet you feel righteous enough to complain about things in the USA???

Baron Max

what do you call evil christian terrorists?

Don't know any, do you? If so, how 'bout a few names or groups?

Baron Max

And yet you feel righteous enough to complain about things in the USA???

Baron Max

Sure, because our problems are caused by poverty and lack of education.
You have no such excuse.

Sure, because our problems are caused by poverty and lack of education.
You have no such excuse.

Well, why can't we use the same excuses?

Baron Max

Well, why can't we use the same excuses?

Baron Max

You got me there, the President is a moron. *sigh*

PS yours, not ours (ours is a rocket scientist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Kalam))

You got me there, the President is a moron. *sigh*

So what does that say about the Indian government, Sam? Or don't you like to use the same logic on India's problems as you use on ours?

Or perhaps you just like to complain about America??

Baron Max

So what does that say about the Indian government, Sam? Or don't you like to use the same logic on India's problems as you use on ours?

Or perhaps you just like to complain about America??

Baron Max

Yeah we should get progressive like the US and supply arms to the world, then "teach democracy" by bombing the shit out of people.

We're slow.:(

Yeah we should get progressive like the US and supply arms to the world, then "teach democracy" by bombing the shit out of people.

Well, Sam, that is democracy when the entire government agrees to bomb the shit outta' some other backward nation that pisses them off. That's what democracy is all about ...majority opinion and rule.

We're slow.

Yeah, you are. Right now, your nation is just killing off their own people through the use of national cops and such organizations. But I think if you keep working at it, pretty soon you'll find a way to bring India's governmental corruption to greater levels.

Baron Max

Well, Sam, that is democracy when the entire government agrees to bomb the shit outta' some other backward nation that pisses them off. That's what democracy is all about ...majority opinion and rule.



Yeah, you are. Right now, your nation is just killing off their own people through the use of national cops and such organizations. But I think if you keep working at it, pretty soon you'll find a way to bring India's governmental corruption to greater levels.

Baron Max

I believe that would be against our constitution. ;)

The land would make full and willing contribution to the promotion of world peace and welfare of mankind.

Sure, because our problems are caused by poverty and lack of education.
You have no such excuse.
there you go again, being intellectually dishonest.
i've given you example after example of government and police corruption in india sam.

Don't know any, do you? If so, how 'bout a few names or groups?

Baron Max
take your pick:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

I have never heard of a Christian terrorist but if there was one I would call him an evil, pathetic, gonna-burn-in-hell, POS, fake Christian terrorist. True born-again Christians don't saw people's heads off or commit acts of terrorism.

the only difference between a muslim terrorist and a christian terrorist is the name, and to a lesser extent the religion.

There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist, only Christian freedom fighters. The Bible says so.

I don't know of any Christians blowing up innocent people in the name of Jesus Christ, sawing their heads off, or engaging in jihad.

http://www.historyofjihad.com/

Whereas I have heard about 8190 deadly terror attacks committed by evil muslims since 911.

Weekly Jihad Report
(4/21 - 4/27) Jihad Attacks: 45
Dead Bodies: 320
Critically Injured: 428

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

You dont need to do any of that bollocks, just drop a few bombs from 30,000 feet.

I just saw a clip of Lou Dobbs discussing some moron on CNN calling us an Immigration Nation. F that!:mad:

We should be a DEPORTATION NATION. (Since Mexico is an exportation nation.:mad: )

Calling a criminal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. :rolleyes:

I just saw a clip of Lou Dobbs discussing some moron on CNN calling us an Immigration Nation. F that!:mad:

We should be a DEPORTATION NATION. (Since Mexico is an exportation nation.:mad: )

Calling a criminal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. :rolleyes:
take it easy sandy. relax.
don't forget, our nation was founded by "illegal immigrants"
in the early stages it was populated almost exclusively by illegals.

leopold99

don't forget, our nation was founded by "illegal immigrants"
in the early stages it was populated almost exclusively by illegals.

And you have historical reference to prove that? every explorer from Europe to America, was sponsored by their Governments. The really funny thing is that the Indian Cultures didn't think that the land belonged to them, so they though it was great fun to sell something they didn't own to the stupid Whites, and there were many time when they even sold the hunting grounds of their enemies to the whites, having a great laugh about it all the way back to their hunting grounds, and the laugh was that their enemies had done the same to them.

leopold99



And you have historical reference to prove that?
answer the following questions:
1. was the people that founded our country from here?
2. were they asked to come here?
3. did they get permission from the indians to come here?

Oniw17



No I am asking if you are proud that you have lived on the forced charity of others Labor, and Sweat? that you just sit there and use other peoples money to live, who do you think provides the money so you can live? the Government? no it is the working people who the government forces to support you, with taxes, shorting their pay check that they need to support their families, they go with out HBO, because they can't afford it, their children enter the military to get the money for college, because of the fact that it as very difficult to save enough money with the taxes were are paying , they can't afford 8 children because they don't have the money to pay for them, and they don't have the medical insurance to pay for the cost of the deliveries, So I am asking, are you proud of your life style, paid for by others.HBO costs $10. I'm not sure what you mean by my lifestyle. I sleep on a sleeping bag. I live in public housing. Nobody in my household owns a car. I don't have to join the military in order to have money to go to college, because my dad went crazy while he was in the military. Whether I'm proud of the fact that I was born into the bottom of the system really doesn't matter; I was, and there's nothing I can do about it. I don't want to stay here you know. I plan to join the military the day I turn 17, and spend all of my money on foreign investments and real estate. I don't understand what you're trying to say? Is it somehow wrong for me to have access to information through the internet? Anyway, this is starting to get off-topic. What type of help is it that illegals recieve anyway?

I don't care about original immigrants. I care about criminal aliens destroying MY country.:mad:

I care about criminal aliens destroying MY country.:mad:

So did Pocahontas.... :)

leopold99

answer the following questions:
1. was the people that founded our country from here?
2. were they asked to come here?
3. did they get permission from the Indians to come here?

Remember historical proof? not your historical revisionism, or your point of view from today. And it is a modern point of view not the legal situation of history.

We're not talking about history. We're talking about now. How criminal aliens are breaking our laws and destroying my country. How no one wants to do anything about it. Oh sure, we have token raids. Big whoop. I want them all gone. They can't come here legally? Then they can go home.:(

What do you want done?

Arrest, deportation, return of all money made here, fines, closed borders (protected with landmines, moats, whatever it takes), the fence, the wall.....

Arrest, deportation, return of all money made here, fines, closed borders (protected with landmines, moats, whatever it takes), the fence, the wall.....

Yeah, and you forgot ....fines for employers who hire them; fines for landlords who rent to them; fines for anyone lending them money; fines for selling them a car; fines for selling them food and water; fines for seeking medical aid (even if they've been run over by a giant 18-wheeler!); fines providing medical care without first putting them in handcuffs; fines for.... Well, any of a gazillion things. Fines for both the illegal alien as well as anyone who helps them in any way whatsoever.

Baron Max

leopold99



Remember historical proof? not your historical revisionism, or your point of view from today. And it is a modern point of view not the legal situation of history.
all i ask you to do was answer 3 simple questions.
were they not simple enough?

the simple truth is the people that founded our country and the immediate aftermath was the product of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. period.
now if the thought of that doesn't sit too well with you i'm sorry.

the simple truth is the people that founded our country and the immediate aftermath was the product of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. period.
now if the thought of that doesn't sit too well with you i'm sorry.

The word, the term, "illegal" implies that there was some law that was violated. Since you seem to know what that law was/is, please tell us. Otherwise, there was nothing "illegal" as you seem to claim.

Baron Max

The word, the term, "illegal" implies that there was some law that was violated. Since you seem to know what that law was/is, please tell us. Otherwise, there was nothing "illegal" as you seem to claim.

Baron Max
do you really believe the indians wanted us here?
or have you forgotten jamestown?

do you really believe the indians wanted us here?

Don't matter, does it? They didn't have any laws or courts or land ownership or human rights or any-fuckin'-thing else ....except perhaps naked women running around working their fat asses off while the men lounged around and gambled and talked.

or have you forgotten jamestown?

Old chief What-The-Hells-His-Name welcomed the settlers at Jamestown. It was a year or so later that he changed his mind ...and still didn't try to drive them out. So, ...he must not have been too worried about their immigration status, huh?

Baron Max

the point is baron this wasn't our land, we took it, in some cases forcefully.

the point is baron this wasn't our land, we took it, in some cases forcefully.

Well, since you seem to be informed about such things, tell me, please, ...what land on Earth is now "owned" by it's "rightful" owner?

Baron Max

Well, since you