I would like to dedicate this article to Shorty, it is like they wrote it about her:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-3842.html&fromMod=popular_relationships

"When her new boyfriend confessed that he looked at porn, Donna, 37, made her views clear to him. "I'm very antipornography," she says. "I think it's very degrading to women. I told him: This is something I can't have in a relationship." He assured her that he'd only been interested in porn because he was single and lonely. Then, after the two had been married nine months, she found out he'd never stopped, at times spending as much as $120 a month on Internet raunch."

Here comes the good part:

"Many women feel that the guy who looks at porn must harbor some hostility toward women. Yet research hasn't established a link between pornography consumption and misogyny. One 2004 study found that porn users actually had slightly more positive and egalitarian views of women than other men did"

Also:

"Porn can actually help foster emotional and sexual intimacy, says Colorado psychologist David Schnarch, author of Resurrecting Sex, who runs a couples therapy practice with his wife. He explains: "A significant portion of our work in helping couples develop a deeper sexual connection is through erotic images."

Awwwwwwww Dedicated to little ole me :o LOL

I relate to some of the things mentioned in this article. Well hey at least I am not the only women who feels this way. :p

I don't think the porn is the issue here. He lied, hid it, and spent money on it (considering how much free stuff is out there...WHY?!) I have no issues with porn, but I would have huge issues with his distrustful lying behavior.

I would like to dedicate this article to Shorty, it is like they wrote it about her:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-3842.html&fromMod=popular_relationships

"When her new boyfriend confessed that he looked at porn, Donna, 37, made her views clear to him. "I'm very antipornography," she says. "I think it's very degrading to women. I told him: This is something I can't have in a relationship." He assured her that he'd only been interested in porn because he was single and lonely. Then, after the two had been married nine months, she found out he'd never stopped, at times spending as much as $120 a month on Internet raunch."

One thing I think some women will never understand is how insatiable guys are when it comes to sex. Us not getting the sex we need is like women not getting the attention and emotional support that they need.
If women don't want their guys watching porn, then don't be stingy with the vagina or BJs.
Degrading to women???? WHAT???
No one put a @#%#$% gun up to the porn starlets' heads and forced them to fuck on camera. Those women are getting paid bank for hittin' it; some can command several thousand dollars per romp. I'm sure the degrading part crosses those womens' minds daily. :rolleyes:

I think we expect a guy to have a little bit more self control than they are actually capable of.

Degrading to women???? WHAT???
No one put a @#%#$% gun up to the porn starlets' heads and forced them to fuck on camera. Those women are getting paid bank for hittin' it; some can command several thousand dollars per romp. crosses those womens'

I agree....... And some men are stupid enough to spend shit loads of money on it.

I think we expect a guy to have a little bit more self control than they are actually capable of.
Which means you are just as double standarded as the rest of those women; you expect us to cater to your needs 24/7 but we can only have sex when YOU are in the mood. Lovely.
Fair enough. If you can get away with telling us you have a 'headache' then we reserve the right to say 'take it out yourself' when you ask us to take the trash out when we're watching a football game or sports center.

I agree....... And some men are stupid enough to spend shit loads of money on it.
Some men are too stupid to realize you can get porn for free. Every 'adult' video that resides on my hard drive was obtained gratis.

I hardly ever ask him to do anything around the house......When he gets home from work he is pretty much on FREE TIME...;)
If anything he gets catered to not me.

Cater to my needs 24/7 and only having sex when I'm in the mood?? I'm not that woman so don't assume you know me.

Cater to my needs 24/7 and only having sex when I'm in the mood?? I'm not that woman so don't assume you know me.
I label your statement of... I think we expect a guy to have a little bit more self control than they are actually capable of. as catering to the woman's needs. The man isn't exactly catering to his own needs when he has to force himself to have a bit more self control that we are actually capable of. :rolleyes:

Shorty, my previous statement above was an example. It could be while he's playing games, or watching TV or any other hobby that he might have.

I'm just asking for a little parity in relationships. If the girl doesn't want to have sex all the time, fair enough. But if that's the case, don't expect the guy to always want to cuddle or talk about shit that he has no desire to hear about.

or talk about shit that he has no desire to hear about.

LOL this made me laugh, because I can see nietzche agreeing with this statement.

... If the girl doesn't want to have sex all the time, fair enough. But if that's the case, don't expect the guy to always want to cuddle or talk about shit that he has no desire to hear about.

So if a girl doesn't want to have sex with you, then you aren't going to listen to her?
Does that work well for you?

Cater to my needs 24/7 and only having sex when I'm in the mood?? I'm not that woman so don't assume you know me.

Isn't it interesting that that's almost exactly what most other women say, yet men are always complaining about not getting enough sex.

Someone is lying ....so ....would you think it's the women or the men? Why would a man complain about not getting enough sex when he was? And if a man was getting the sex he wanted, why would he watch so much porno?

Nope, ...I have to assume that women are lying ...or worse, they just don't grasp the situation.

Baron Max

Mike said:
Which means you are just as double standarded as the rest of those women; you expect us to cater to your needs 24/7 but we can only have sex when YOU are in the mood. Lovely.

This is not me.
I don't think all men complain about their sex lives, just like all women don't expect their men to cater to them.

thing is...men go for porn because there are no women to satisfy their needs. Women should be happy that porn exists because without it men would have much stricter choices of women. Watching sexually explicit images to fill in the need of vacant lack of sexual excitement of the woman one is in. I mean no matter how hard she tries, it is impossible for her to make him fully sexually excited because of her...simply because many women are not endowed with the right symmetrical figures (and I am not talking large breasts...I mean everything...smooth skin...proper weight balance not too fat and not too skinny...shaved...symmetrical feminine face...ability to do foreplay and to play along) And when women lack this and they most usually do...men fill in the gap with sexual images for which they feel no love for but to excite themselves.

I mean if a woman wants the hard truth of why men do it...it is simple: she is not sexual enough and never will be.

Oh really? And are many men PERFECT........perfect face... six pack....nice pecs....nice round butt.....

So women should fill in the gap with sexual images of men?

Oh really? And are many men PERFECT........perfect face... six pack....nice pecs....nice round butt.....

So women should fill in the gap with sexual images of men?

women fill it by being social very closely with other women. Men have a very strong visual perception...small problem on her neck...small pimple distorts perception of sexual excitement Diva.


plus...women dont just merry any men with six-packs...they want the money and status along with it as first priority.

Oh really? And are many men PERFECT........perfect face... six pack....nice pecs....nice round butt.....

So women should fill in the gap with sexual images of men?

Oh, Shorty, you know as well as anyone that men aren't subject to the same scrutiny as women are! Love, marriage and all that horseshit aside, nice looking, sexy women are like eye-magnets and fantasy-generators for men of all types, sizes, and ugliness!

Women are supposed to be pretty, men are supposed to have a big dick! :D

Baron Max

Oh, Shorty, you know as well as anyone that men aren't subject to the same scrutiny as women are! Love, marriage and all that horseshit aside, nice looking, sexy women are like eye-magnets and fantasy-generators for men of all types, sizes, and ugliness!

Women are supposed to be pretty, men are supposed to have a big dick! :D

Baron Max

men are supposed to have mucho money and high status

plus...women dont just merry any men with six-packs...they want the money and status along with it as first priority.

I don't care about the money! I have my own money. So what should I be looking for then? :rolleyes:

Oh, Shorty, you know as well as anyone that men aren't subject to the same scrutiny as women are!

Women are supposed to be pretty, men are supposed to have a big dick! :D

Baron Max

LMAO What if they don't have a BIG DICK? :shrug:

YES men aren't subject to the same scrutiny women are and that makes me :mad: They should be!

I don't care about the money! I have my own money. So what should I be looking for then? :rolleyes:

I simply dont believe that shorty...you not carying about the money.

You either must be low class and poor yourself to be that way or are not telling the truth or just not realizing what is it you want.

I mean...bums got six packs too...

I don't care about the money! I have my own money. So what should I be looking for then? :rolleyes:

Happiness, stability, a nice comfortable home, a good father for the kids, .....

And a man who only wants sex when YOU want it. :D

But, Shorty, men are different! There are men who have tons of women, tons of sex partners, yet they're still looking for more and better sex partners.

Baron Max

YES men aren't subject to the same scrutiny women are and that makes me :mad: They should be!

so than you should be too... as all the women in the world should be to. And if a girl is not pretty than too bad...no husband for you and she better not give birth to a child.

YES men aren't subject to the same scrutiny women are and that makes me mad. They should be!

...LOL! Take a look at women and men sometime, Shorty! I know it's hard for you to believe, but women's bodies are simply more beautiful than men's bodies. And it was meant that way ...to attract mates.

But, shit, now that you've attracted a mate, shouldn't you mate with him?! :D

Baron Max

I simply dont believe that shorty...you not carying about the money.

You either must be low class and poor yourself to be that way or are not telling the truth or just not realizing what is it you want.

I mean...bums got six packs too...

HUH low class poor? What do I need a man with Money for? I am not a gold digger. I have made my OWN money.

Now I wouldn't want a man with no job.....but money is not something I look at in a partner.

And if a girl is not pretty than too bad...no husband for you and she better not give birth to a child.

:mad: What about ugly men?

HUH low class poor? What do I need a man with Money for? I am not a gold digger. I have made my OWN money.

Now I wouldn't want a man with no job.....but money is not something I look at in a partner.

Oh, c'mon, Shorty, no matter how much money you have, a little more of it would not be an unwelcome addition. So ...add a little money to the man, and he becomes that much more attractive. Surely you can't deny that.

Baron Max

:mad: What about ugly men?

what about them? :bugeye: they better me rich to fill in for their ugliness. Because otherwise...they are never getting any of it.

...LOL! Take a look at women and men sometime, Shorty! I know it's hard for you to believe, but women's bodies are simply more beautiful than men's bodies. And it was meant that way ...to attract mates.

But, shit, now that you've attracted a mate, shouldn't you mate with him?! :D

Baron Max

I disagree I like the male body :D

What about ugly men?

Women don't see "ugly" like men see it in women. Ugly women are just ....well, really ugly. Ugly men can often be seen with the prettiest girl in town ...and she's smiling and happy.

Baron Max

I know it's hard for you to believe, but women's bodies are simply more beautiful than men's bodies.

Depends on who's looking. :p

I disagree I like the male body :D

But the male body simply can't compare to the beauty of a beautiful woman. No matter what you say, Shorty, women appreciate beauty, too. And that's not saying that you don't appreciate the male body, but it's different ...in sooooooo many different ways.

Baron Max

HUH low class poor? What do I need a man with Money for? I am not a gold digger. I have made my OWN money.

Now I wouldn't want a man with no job.....but money is not something I look at in a partner.

you say you wouldnt want a man with no job...

well be specific here...because you are really saying that all guys with six packs that dont got a job or make very little that they cant pay for rent of the house you live in...is obviously not enough for you.

MEANWHILE...if such was the case with women and she had sexiness appeal and was broke...I being rich would have accepted her neverthless.

Oh, c'mon, Shorty, no matter how much money you have, a little more of it would not be an unwelcome addition. So ...add a little money to the man, and he becomes that much more attractive. Surely you can't deny that.

Baron Max

No this is true Baron. It is like a bonus. But unlike a lot of women these days a man must make a certain number of $$$$$$$ and drive a certain car.
They want the man pay for everything.

That is totally not me. I wouldn't care how much money the guy had if he was a PRICK!!!

Ugly men can often be seen with the prettiest girl in town ...and she's smiling and happy.

Baron Max

Because he has a BIG................Wallet!! in some cases.

No this is true Baron. It is like a bonus. But unlike a lot of women these days a man must make a certain number of $$$$$$$ and drive a certain car.
They want the man pay for everything.

That is totally not me. I wouldn't care how much money the guy had if he was a PRICK!!!

:rolleyes: god...you sound way too ideal. You must have low self esteem as a result of...

well I dont want to accuse anyone.

:rolleyes: god...you sound way too ideal. You must have low self esteem as a result of...

well I dont want to accuse anyone.

result of?:shrug:

result of?:shrug:

can't tell you. :cool: *sealed lips*

I know. Its due to....oh wait I shouldnt say it.

I know. Its due to....oh wait I shouldnt say it.

OMG...you mean...that?!!!! :eek: Oh noo...not that!!!!!:eek:

Whatever I have no idea what you are talking about.

Listen, it makes me sick when I hear women talking about how they want a Rich Gorgeous guy.......

I dated a couple! you know what.....it isn't all it's cracked up to be, unless you are a very Shallow, VAIN person.

OMG...you mean...that?!!!! :eek: Oh noo...not that!!!!!:eek:

I know. Quite shocking.

Because he has a BIG................Wallet!! in some cases.

...LOL! Yeah, could be. But I also think women don't see "beauty" in the same way as a man. Many women, married to ugly men, don't think he's ugly! And that astounds most men.

Baron Max

Porn is a fantasy, its pretend. Real men and women aren't like that. I think porn addicts have a hard time in relationships because they expect the other to always be in the mood, have a perfect body, do every position imaginable, etc. And when a real relationship isn't like that, they blame the other person.

If you have failed relationship after failed relationship, maybe its you. And draqon, if you think you aren't getting laid because you don't have a 6 pack abs and money, you need to get honest with yourself. Its not the women you never talk to, its you.

...LOL! Yeah, could be. But I also think women don't see "beauty" in the same way as a man. Many women, married to ugly men, don't think he's ugly! And that astounds most men.

Baron Max

Maybe they do, but they just don't say anything ;) LOL

Listen, it makes me sick when I hear women talking about how they want a Rich Gorgeous guy.......


They'll never be happy though.

In a loving relationship neither partner should need pornography.

....Listen, it makes me sick when I hear women talking about how they want a Rich Gorgeous guy.......

I dated a couple! you know what.....it isn't all it's cracked up to be, unless you are a very Shallow, VAIN person.

I wanted that! Its Prince Charming isn't it?

Porn is a fantasy, its pretend. Real men and women aren't like that. I think porn addicts have a hard time in relationships because they expect the other to always be in the mood, have a perfect body, do every position imaginable, etc. And when a real relationship isn't like that, they blame the other person.

If you have failed relationship after failed relationship, maybe its you. And draqon, if you think you aren't getting laid because you don't have a 6 pack abs and money, you need to get honest with yourself. Its not the women you never talk to, its you.

what? Orleander actually reads what I write? and does not have me on ignore? a shock...true shock. Yes it is me, I dont want to date anyone. I want to remain a virgin forever.

Whatever I have no idea what you are talking about.

Listen, it makes me sick when I hear women talking about how they want a Rich Gorgeous guy.......

I dated a couple! you know what.....it isn't all it's cracked up to be, unless you are a very Shallow, VAIN person.

^^^ totally agree. Those men are absolute bores, no wonder they seek shallow brainless twits.

They'll never be happy though.

In a loving relationship neither partner should need pornography.

Need?? NO! You're right.

what? Orleander actually reads what I write? and does not have me on ignore? a shock...true shock. Yes it is me, I dont want to date anyone. I want to remain a virgin forever.

And women everywhere thank you!

And women everywhere thank you!

you never change, do you? always make people you dont like feel like shit.

They'll never be happy though.

In a loving relationship neither partner should need pornography.

Need? What if they just want to see it? Need implies something that I don't think this is all about. Men don't "need" to watch football on Sundays, but they "want" to watch it. Big difference, don'tcha' think?

Baron Max

Well draqon let me give you a tip.

Most women would find it a bit strange that you eat baby food.
Or that you have a virtual online baby!!

Forget about the money or looks thing....START there!

lol yeah draqon, today I find myself agreeing with shorty and this is the best piece of advice you will ever get!

Well thank me all women, I will be a virgin forever.

... Yes it is me, I dont want to date anyone. I want to remain a virgin forever.

If you really want to be happy and content, then that's definitely the way to go. Women will make a man mostly miserable ...with little spurts of joy, sometimes! But men and women simply weren't made to live together in my humble opinion and experience.

If you just have to have sex, rent it, don't buy it!! :D

Baron Max

If you really want to be happy and content, then that's definitely the way to go. Women will make a man mostly miserable ...with little spurts of joy, sometimes! But men and women simply weren't made to live together in my humble opinion and experience.

If you just have to have sex, rent it, don't buy it!! :D

Baron Max


I dont want to have sex, I dont want to touch anybody. I want to be a virgin and pure.

lol yeah draqon, today I find myself agreeing with shorty and this is the best piece of advice you will ever get!

OH No!!!! Let me do a BARON........

If you agree I must change my stand......LOL :D

I dont want to have sex, I dont want to touch anybody. I want to be a virgin and pure.

Pure? I don't think pure people have such hostility against women.

Well thank me all women, I will be a virgin forever.

Nah, don't worry there is a girl out there for you. Maybe a cute Asian princess? Stay away from the porn and babyfood and maybe you'll stand a chance. :p

Pure? I don't think pure people have such hostility against women.

I have no hostility towards women. I am neutral towards women and men. I must supress all my sexual needs for women. I must be pure of heart and mind and resist.

OH No!!!! Let me do a BARON........

If you agree I must change my stand......LOL

:D:D:D

On Oprah right now it is about Men who rape their wives! :eek:

Some of these men were heavily into PORN!

Nah, don't worry there is a girl out there for you. Maybe a cute Asian princess? Stay away from the porn and babyfood and maybe you'll stand a chance. :p

cute Asian princess...that would be nice...:rolleyes:

On Oprah right now it is about Men who rape their wives! :eek:

the term "rape" here looses much meaning...

and Oprah is a show...

reality is different.

cute Asian princess...that would be nice...:rolleyes:

Yeah Asian women like tall men with dark hair.

the term "rape" here looses much meaning...

and Oprah is a show...

reality is different.

Well one woman's husband is now in Jail, I think that is REAL.

Yeah Asian women like tall men with dark hair.

owieee...they do? :p yay for me.

Too bad you've decided to remain a virgin :D

well getting back on topic: "porn and your relationship"

I usually dont watch portn...softcore

and about my relationship...never had one...so no relationships there.

Too bad you've decided to remain a virgin :D

:o well now I thought about it...I rather not be a virgin :rolleyes:

well getting back on topic: "porn and your relationship"

I usually dont watch portn...softcore

and about my relationship...never had one...so no relationships there.

Well then watching porn isn't affecting anyone else since you are single.

And remember, women can smell desperation :D

Be cool.

I guess without having a woman most men probably turn to porn quite allot

to satisfy their sexual desires. That might be good in a way for they could

be out raping women instead. I just wonder if rapes are up over the past 10

to 20 years or have gone down any?

women can smell desperation :D
Be cool.

I am frozen. I am opposite of sderenzi.

I just wonder if rapes are up over the past 10 to 20 years or have gone down any?

as a result of porn on internet?

Need? What if they just want to see it? Need implies something that I don't think this is all about. Men don't "need" to watch football on Sundays, but they "want" to watch it. Big difference, don'tcha' think?

Baron Max

Baron,

I guess the question is why would a man want to watch porn if he was in a loving relationship?

If you really love someone why would you want to see faceless people you don't know fu*king on TV?

Don't answer that.

as a result of porn on internet?

No, as a result of men watching porn in general , net, movies, magazines ETC..

I would like to dedicate this article to Shorty, it is like they wrote it about her:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-3842.html&fromMod=popular_relationships

"When her new boyfriend confessed that he looked at porn, Donna, 37, made her views clear to him. "I'm very antipornography," she says. "I think it's very degrading to women. I told him: This is something I can't have in a relationship." He assured her that he'd only been interested in porn because he was single and lonely. Then, after the two had been married nine months, she found out he'd never stopped, at times spending as much as $120 a month on Internet raunch."

Awwwwwwww Dedicated to little ole me :o LOL

I relate to some of the things mentioned in this article. Well hey at least I am not the only women who feels this way. :p


God, i feel like a freak, i am the only woman here that doesn't see a problem with this apart from the money issue. She has a right to be pissed because he's squandering their money away when he can look around and find porn for free.

It kinda bothers me that i can never relate or feel sympathetic to women who cite that they're upset that their partner watches porn or masturbates .

I think that's quite an egocentric and self centred view to have. I think alot people like that can't understand that their partner had a life and certain hobbies before they met them. With the porn, i think its ok aslong he/she remembers its just fantasty and doesn't expect you to perform like pornstar in the bedroom.

But maybe that's my weird way of thinking.:shrug:

mikenostic ---- as much as i agree that there should be an equality in relationships, and as much as im totally pro porn, in that i dont find it has negative effects on society, other than the ones caused by trying to keep it hidden and shameful, i find most of what you say to argue your point ridiculous. saying things like why should you listen to her if she wont have sex when you want is just asinine. i'm a man. i dont dislike talking to my girlfriend because she hasnt had sex with me. if your with a girl who you cant communicate with, then your with the wrong person. if you have a girl who hates porno, then dont lie to her. tell her you like porno and if she cant deal with that then you either stop watching porn, or you get someone else. if you cant deal with her not wanting to have sex with you, and you cant enjoy anything she talks about, then find someone else. dont be such a putz.

anyways. im rambling. sorry.

if your with a girl who you cant communicate with, then your with the wrong person. if you have a girl who hates porno, then dont lie to her. tell her you like porno and if she cant deal with that then you either stop watching porn, or you get someone else. anyways. im y.

I agree! If 2 ppl can't come to some kind of mutal compromise then you just have to look for someone else. If you can't respect someones feelings on a certain thing and you are going to do it anyway but sneak around, I think you should just find somebody who accepts it.

mikenostic ---- as much as i agree that there should be an equality in relationships, and as much as im totally pro porn, in that i dont find it has negative effects on society, other than the ones caused by trying to keep it hidden and shameful, i find most of what you say to argue your point ridiculous. saying things like why should you listen to her if she wont have sex when you want is just asinine. i'm a man. i dont dislike talking to my girlfriend because she hasnt had sex with me. if your with a girl who you cant communicate with, then your with the wrong person. if you have a girl who hates porno, then dont lie to her. tell her you like porno and if she cant deal with that then you either stop watching porn, or you get someone else. if you cant deal with her not wanting to have sex with you, and you cant enjoy anything she talks about, then find someone else. dont be such a putz.

anyways. im rambling. sorry.
Good points Krissam. I am happy they came from a man. His "why should you listen to her when she won't have sex?" line is a tad immature. If you treat a woman respectfully and with a mature attitude and this respect is mutual she'll want sex. Each partner has to work together to keep the flame going past the infatuation stage.

...i find most of what you say to argue your point ridiculous. saying things like why should you listen to her if she wont have sex when you want is just asinine. i'm a man. i dont dislike talking to my girlfriend because she hasnt had sex with me. if your with a girl who you cant communicate with, then your with the wrong person.

Well, I don't disagree necessarily, but the divorce statistics suggest that more than half of married couples have the problem that you seem to gloss over so lightly and so idealistically.

Ahh, once more idealism gets fucked over by the realities of life.

Baron Max

Well, I don't disagree necessarily, but the divorce statistics suggest that more than half of married couples have the problem that you seem to gloss over so lightly and so idealistically.

Ahh, once more idealism gets fucked over by the realities of life.

Baron Max

Ohhhhhhhhhhh Max you are just bitter because you aren't getting laid LOL ;)

Well, I don't disagree necessarily, but the divorce statistics suggest that more than half of married couples have the problem that you seem to gloss over so lightly and so idealistically.

Ahh, once more idealism gets fucked over by the realities of life.

Baron Max

hence the divorce i suppose. it's not idealistic to think you can communicate 100% with the person you're with. if you can't, then you get out, or should at least be seriously contemplating it, be it through breaking up with a girlfriend/boyfriend, or through divorce. either that or you address the issues full on and try and work through it together.

God, i feel like a freak, i am the only woman here that doesn't see a problem with this apart from the money issue. She has a right to be pissed because he's squandering their money away when he can look around and find porn for free.

It kinda bothers me that i can never relate or feel sympathetic to women who cite that they're upset that their partner watches porn or masturbates .

I think that's quite an egocentric and self centred view to have. I think alot people like that can't understand that their partner had a life and certain hobbies before they met them. With the porn, i think its ok aslong he/she remembers its just fantasty and doesn't expect you to perform like pornstar in the bedroom.

But maybe that's my weird way of thinking.:shrug:

No, I feel the same way. Heck, my husband had WRITTEN and PUBLISHED porn before we met (I suppose some people would call what he wrote "erotica"), and it does not bother me at all -- in fact, is fun to read. Occasionally we watch porn together. Now, I know there is quite a lot of porn he likes which I find totally unexciting (or ugly), but I know men are visual creatures, and he is excited by a broader range of images than I am. I do not have to look at it, and it does not affect me. Now, if he were into torture or rape images, it would bother me, and if he spent $120 in a month on porn I would have a cow, but neither is the case.

There is nothing wrong with porn as long as it's not of cruelty/rape/children. Women who whinge that it's degrading need to grow up and stop being so goddamned hypersensitive. Hell, I like watching pornographic movies myself.

(I'm a girl)

mikenostic ---- as much as i agree that there should be an equality in relationships, and as much as im totally pro porn, in that i dont find it has negative effects on society, other than the ones caused by trying to keep it hidden and shameful, i find most of what you say to argue your point ridiculous. saying things like why should you listen to her if she wont have sex when you want is just asinine. i'm a man. i dont dislike talking to my girlfriend because she hasnt had sex with me. if your with a girl who you cant communicate with, then your with the wrong person. if you have a girl who hates porno, then dont lie to her. tell her you like porno and if she cant deal with that then you either stop watching porn, or you get someone else. if you cant deal with her not wanting to have sex with you, and you cant enjoy anything she talks about, then find someone else. dont be such a putz.

anyways. im rambling. sorry.
You find it ridiculous because you missed my point entirely. Imagine that. Just like Baron mentioned, you seem to gloss over things lightly.
So I guess I'll have to break it down Barney style for you...

Let's take a woman's needs and a man's needs.
-Sex is one of man's needs. If you don't think so, something is wrong with you and you are not human.
-Emotional support is one of the woman's needs. Everyone knows that you have to communicate and emotionally support your woman. And unless she has some sort of self-esteem issue, when you don't give her what she needs, she becomes unhappy and leaves.

Yet when a woman exerts herself and leaves because she wasn't getting what she needed, she's praised for leaving a bad relationship. But oh, let a man leave a woman because she isn't giving him the sex he NEEDS, and he's labeled a womanizer, a man with a one track mind, and other negavite terms.

I have no problem with a woman not always wanting to have sex, and the man shouldn't get upset when that happens. However, the same parity should be displayed if on occasion the man does not feel like talking, snuggling, listening to how many shoes she bought, etc.

It is a two way street, and Shorty you even prove my point with this statement:
I agree! If 2 ppl can't come to some kind of mutal compromise then you just have to look for someone else.

It is a two way street, and Shorty you even prove my point with this statement:


This is true. There must be give and take. One person can not demand everything while the other does nothing in return.

Like I keep saying. If you find someone that is completely against something you do and the 2 of you can't come to some compromise that makes you both happy, it ain't gonna work. No matter how much you think you love this person, you will always come to the same roadblock. The same old argument will just keep coming up over and over. Or if one person thinks they will just do it anyway but hide it. When they get found out they are in the same boat again but now it is even worse! Now you show that you don't respect the other ones feelings.

Personally I think it is fine and dandy to do whatever you want when you are single. I don't think when in a long term relationship you have to give up everything you did when you are single. But in saying that, you aren't alone anymore and what you do now affects someone else.

We can sit here all day and argue about what should be permitted or not in a relationship. What each person should be contributing. But every relationship is different.
Everyone has to find what works for them, and makes them happy.

But getting back to the topic! I think that a man that says their relationship NEEDS porn, or he can't live without it.....there is something wrong there.

But getting back to the topic! I think that a man that says their relationship NEEDS porn, or he can't live without it.....there is something wrong there.
That I can agree with you 100% on. While I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy some adult film here and there, it's not essential to my survival. Porn was never needed in any relationships that I've had in the past.

why do men like porn? they've had sex before so what is the big deal? It's not like they are seeing anything new. I don't get it.

why do men like porn? they've had sex before so what is the big deal? It's not like they are seeing anything new. I don't get it.

Variety?

Seriously, I can and do get excited by watching two strangers on a screen have sex. It's a good prelude to real thing. Still photograph, not really.

But do you need a prelude to the real thing? Why not get excited by your partner?

But do you need a prelude to the real thing? Why not get excited by your partner?

I do not need it, any more than I need chocolate tiramisu at every meal. But either makes for a nice occasional treat.

My understanding, and I may be wrong, is that for men it is different, or at least more pronounced. I do not pretend to understand why anyone would want to watch porn INSTEAD of making out, as opposed to in addition.

Well, I can understand if one has no partner available, but a lot of men read/watch porn even though they have one. I heard that men compensate this way if their partner does not meet their particular sexual desires, and being somewhat into S&M myself, I can see the point. OTOH, if my husband absolutely refused to satisfy my particular sex needs, a picture or a movie would be a very poor substitute. So short answer -- men's and women's brains are just wired differently. Which is not really an answer, I know.

Sex is one of man's needs. If you don't think so, something is wrong with you and you are not human.
-Emotional support is one of the woman's needs. Everyone knows that you have to communicate and emotionally support your woman. And unless she has some sort of self-esteem issue, when you don't give her what she needs, she becomes unhappy and leaves.


I don't agree with that at all, I think it's just a stereotype. Both sexes have both sexual and emotional needs. At least that's my experience.

But do you need a prelude to the real thing? Why not get excited by your partner?

Not every time. But when ya get in a rut, its nice to get a new idea. I tell ya what, that kink link someone posted in the steroetypical sex thread...WHOA!!! Ideas all over the place.

I don't need any ideas.........I am a very creative person!!!

so all your ideas come from just you? No books, articles, etc?

I guess I've done all my ideas. Porn throws a new one in there every now and then.

I don't think the porn is the issue here. He lied, hid it, and spent money on it (considering how much free stuff is out there...WHY?!) I have no issues with porn, but I would have huge issues with his distrustful lying behavior.I agree it's stupid to pay for internet porn. I remember when I was in married student housing in college a guy I knew racked up like $1200 in phone sex charges in one month. We were poor college students and there's no way he could afford that. They ended up getting divorced. Of course his wife was no saint, either. She once asked my wife to go with her to the truck stop to give truckers blow jobs for quick cash. My wife (not yet my wife then) declined.

But as far as lying, I'd bet 99% of guys who make such a promise are lying.

I knew a guy married to a very religious woman who probably extracted such a promise from him. I was helping clean his garage one day and we came across some the the raunchiest porn hidden away in there that I've ever seen. It was a whole cabinet full of it. The poor guy was, apparently, having to sneak out to the garage! They also ended up divorced.

Anyway, you shouldn't have to sneak around. I've told my wife I wouldn't masturbate at all if she'd agree to never turn down sex. She didn't take the deal.

But as far as lying, I'd bet 99% of guys who make such a promise are lying.




You think it is that high a % huh. So you pretty much think every man out there MUST look at porn?

I guess my boyfriend made the decison that being with me, is more important then porn. I am not the most trusting person either. But I beleive 100% that he is respecting my views on the whole thing.

I think that a man that says their relationship NEEDS porn, or he can't live without it.....there is something wrong there.Yes, his woman's not putting out enough.

Yes, his woman's not putting out enough.

I don't know what kind of relationship you and your wife have. But if I was your wife I would be offended and hurt if I heard you make comments like this one.


Quote: Madanthonywayne
I think a long term monogamous relationship would be damn near impossible without porn.

Let me ask you this. What would you honestly do if your wife said the whole thing really upset her. It was causing arguments in your relationship.
Would you just keep doing it but sneak around? would you leave her?

You think it is that high a % huh. So you pretty much think every man out there MUST look at porn?

Pretty much, yes. But anyway, I always wanted to ask:

What if it is not porn, not even naked women just pretty women in sexy dresses that might reveal a little too much? Would that be OK for you, or your signifficant other can't even look at a glamour magazine?

No, seriously, what if a guy masturbates not by looking at porn but by looking at Vanity fair or people magazine? Is that degrading to women???

Do all men want to have sex everyday or night? With work, family and other responsibilites and interests it seems you would be too tired.

Is this not true?

Do all men want to have sex everyday or night? With work, family and other responsibilites and interests it seems you would be too tired.

Is this not true?

Yeah it is true.....Some of these men sound like all they care about is their wife not putting out. I have never been with a man that needs sex everynight :shrug: If he doesn't get it he will explode, or have to jump on the internet to look at porn.

No, seriously, what if a guy masturbates not by looking at porn ?


What if a woman is really not in the mood for sex, or it is that time of month. He really has to or he will.... you know DIE:rolleyes: What if his g/f wife helped him out so he wasn't doing it alone? Then there is no need for porn right?:D

...But as far as lying, I'd bet 99% of guys who make such a promise are lying.....

I agree. I have to wonder about the woman who would make them make such a promise. I never saw my first husband look at porn, but I never even thought about it.
Well, I guess I can see a woman asking for that promise if he was like the college guy you knew MadAnthonyWayne.

My first husband went without sex for about 5 mths when I was pregnant. What kind of wife would i have been to tell him no porn because I didn't approve of it. Its better than him hitting the bars...or truck stops apparently. lol

Let me ask you this. What would you honestly do if your wife said the whole thing really upset her. It was causing arguments in your relationship.
Would you just keep doing it but sneak around? would you leave her?I think it's absurd for one person to deny their partner the right to "take care" of themselves when they are refused by their partner.

If there were no kids involved and my wife or girlfriend refused sex and demanded I not masturbate to make up the difference, you're damned right I'd dump her.

To me, it seems selfish to demand that your partner simply suffer should you happen to not be in the mood. Masturbation serves as a harmless relief valve to correct the imbalance in sexual appetites that is often present.

As the Baron and I have said, if women always said yes, there would be no need for masturbation.

Well, I guess I can see a woman asking for that promise if he was like the college guy you knew MadAnthonyWayne.
Sure, but the issue there was him blowing wads of cash he didn't have, not the masturbation per se.
What if his g/f wife helped him out so he wasn't doing it alone? Then there is no need for porn right?:D
Agreed. Why go it alone if she's willing to "help out".

Sure, but the issue there was him blowing wads of cash he didn't have, not the masturbation per se.

Agreed. Why go it alone if she's willing to "help out".

??? Is it the masturbation or the looking at other women. I think some women see it as competition.

I think it's absurd for one person to deny their partner the right to "take care" of themselves when they are refused by their partner.

If there were no kids involved and my wife or girlfriend refused sex and demanded I not masturbate to make up the difference, you're damned right I'd dump her.

To me, it seems selfish to demand that your partner simply suffer should you happen to not be in the mood. Masturbation serves as a harmless relief valve to correct the imbalance in sexual appetites that is often present.

As the Baron and I have said, if women always said yes, there would be no need for masturbation.

My husband used to work with a guy who one day started to complain that his wife was simply never in the mood anymore. That she had had their first child 3 weeks before was not a consideration this guy was willing to take into account. When he was told that his wife could really not say "yes" due to medical reasons was not something he thought was valid. His complaint, it seems, stemmed from the fact that his wife had simply not been in the mood for 2 months. The guy became offended when his coworkers (mostly male and most with children) laughed at him and called him an insensitive pig.. seeing that the wife had been heavily pregnant and probably was tired and not in the mood and then immediately after the birth, well sex is not even something that would be considered. He was told to shut up and just buy some moisturiser. As far as he was concerned, that little band of gold on their respective fingers meant that she had to say yes whenever he wanted it. We last heard she left him a few years ago. I wonder why...:rolleyes:

In short, there are times when the woman really cannot say "yes".

Reminds me of when I had my second child and was in a twin room with a woman whose husband tried to initiate sex in her hospital bed the day after she had an emergency c-section. She had the obstetrician explain in detail to him why he would not be getting any for at least another 6 weeks. His reply?.. "That's just fucked". Thankfully I was leaving the hospital that day and was going home.:cool:

I think it's absurd for one person to deny their partner the right to "take care" of themselves when they are refused by their partner.

If there were no kids involved and my wife or girlfriend refused sex and demanded I not masturbate to make up the difference, you're damned right I'd dump her.

To me, it seems selfish to demand that your partner simply suffer should you happen to not be in the mood. Masturbation serves as a harmless relief valve to correct the imbalance in sexual appetites that is often present.

As the Baron and I have said, if women always said yes, there would be no need for masturbation.

I never said I didn't want him to masterbate or that it upset me. He can be my guest. I will even help him LOL But I am against the whole porn thing.

...But I am against the whole porn thing.

because he's looking at another woman and getting off or because porn is immoral?

because he's looking at another woman and getting off

Yeah that pretty much sums it up!! And I find the whole thing trashy as hell.

This is to Orleander and Bells.

How would you feel if your partner said this?

Quote: Madanthonywayne
I think a long term monogamous relationship would be damn near impossible without porn.


I don't think porn should have any bearing on if my relationship will work or not. There are alot more
IMPORTANT issues. I really would feel offended and upset. I would feel like I wasn't enough for him and he based
too much of our relationship solely on sex.

shorty, you're real. She's not. She really isn't any competition.

But then, if my husband went to strip clubs and then came home all hot and bothered wanting to have sex with me, I don't think I'd like it much. I know he came home to me, but...it feels like sloppy seconds.

But then, if my husband went to strip clubs and then came home all hot and bothered wanting to have sex with me, I don't think I'd like it much. I know he came home to me, but...it feels like sloppy seconds.

Yeah I agree 100%

This is to Orleander and Bells.

How would you feel if your partner said this?

Quote: Madanthonywayne
I think a long term monogamous relationship would be damn near impossible without porn.


I don't think porn should have any bearing on if my relationship will work or not. There are alot more
IMPORTANT issues. I really would feel offended and upset. I would feel like I wasn't enough for him and he based
too much of our relationship solely on sex.

Heh.. if my husband told me our relationship did not stand a chance without porn, he'd be sleeping in the garage.

I don't have a problem with porn. I don't think I have ever told my husband that he was not allowed to look at it. To be honest, it is not something I have even thought about. I've never 'caught him' looking at it. I use his computer often and have never come across it on his computer. If he looks at it, it's not when I am around. He probably does, but I am not about to put more emphasis on it by banning him from looking at it. He is a grown man and if I were to start banning him from looking at it, I would be treating him like a child. I honestly don't really care if he does look at it or not. I know that he is faithful and honest and we have a good and happy relationship.. that, at the end of the day is all that matters. His masturbation habits when I am not home or around is really none of my business. I respect his privacy in such matters.

...Quote: Madanthonywayne
I think a long term monogamous relationship would be damn near impossible without porn.....

I wonder how guys feel when their wives use a vibrator.

I wonder how guys feel when their wives use a vibrator.

If they can watch, they'd probably love it! :D

If they could help, they'd probably love it even more.

Baron Max

Heh.. if my husband told me our relationship did not stand a chance without porn, he'd be sleeping in the garage.

I don't have a problem with porn. I don't think I have ever told my husband that he was not allowed to look at it. To be honest, it is not something I have even thought about. I've never 'caught him' looking at it. I use his computer often and have never come across it on his computer. If he looks at it, it's not when I am around. He probably does, but I am not about to put more emphasis on it by banning him from looking at it. He is a grown man and if I were to start banning him from looking at it, I would be treating him like a child. I honestly don't really care if he does look at it or not. I know that he is faithful and honest and we have a good and happy relationship.. that, at the end of the day is all that matters. His masturbation habits when I am not home or around is really none of my business. I respect his privacy in such matters.

Ok so you really don't see him looking at porn right? or come across it, so maybe he isn't even doing it :shrug: So it really isn't an issue.

Now like Madanthonywayne said in another thread that men will get out of bed when the woman is fast asleep to look at porn....:rolleyes:

Would it bother you if he was doing that? Or if you came across an abundance of porn on his computer?

If they can watch, they'd probably love it! :D

If they could help, they'd probably love it even more.

Baron Max

Baron why do I feel like ringing your neck!!!!!!!!! :bugeye:

If they can watch, they'd probably love it! :D

If they could help, they'd probably love it even more.

Baron Max

no. without the guy

Ok so you really don't see him looking at porn right? or come across it, so maybe he isn't even doing it :shrug: So it really isn't an issue.

Now like Madanthonywayne said in another thread that men will get out of bed when the woman is fast asleep to look at porn....:rolleyes:

Would it bother you if he was doing that? Or if you came across an abundance of porn on his computer?

I'd probably laugh and call him an idiot.

As I said before, his masturbation practices when I am not around is really none of my business. I am not about to start snooping through all the files on his computer or checking to see all the sites he may have visited to see if he is looking at porn. It honestly does not bother me like that. If he were spending 20 hours a day with his pants down and tongue hanging out in front of the computer looking at porn, that would be a huge problem. But he does not. If he does look at it, he is discreet. We have a healthy relationship, in all areas. I don't feel threatened by anything he could be looking at on the internet.

Each individual is different. If you have a problem with porn and don't like it, you are well within your rights to express your feelings to your other half and it is up to him to respect your wishes in that regard. I am not condemning you for your stance on porn. It makes you uncomfortable and you find it upsetting. Enough said. He should respect you and your decision. I would expect my husband to be the same if I also felt the same way.

Baron why do I feel like ringing your neck!!!!!!!!! :bugeye:

I don't know, Shorty, .....why?

no. without the guy

What men don't know probably won't hurt them at all.

Baron Max

i confess that i watch porn because deep down i just want to smack bitches around the roadside.


peace.

Jesus, older women are insecure. I can't think of anyone I know my own age who would be so upset over porn.

dont worry those people will be dead soon xev, we will have our satanic porn infested world to ourselves in about 20 years.


peace.

Each individual is different. If you have a problem with porn and don't like it, you are well within your rights to express your feelings to your other half and it is up to him to respect your wishes in that regard. I am not condemning you for your stance on porn. It makes you uncomfortable and you find it upsetting. Enough said. He should respect you and your decision. I would expect my husband to be the same if I also felt the same way.

Yeah that is exactly how I feel. As I said before everybody has to find what works within their own relationship. I guess I am lucky to have found a guy that respects my feelings about it, because it sounds like a lot of other guys would just go ahead and do it anyway.

It is just like I respect that he loves playing computer games a lot lol. There are a lot of women that I know that would not tolerate the amount of time he spends with that.

It all comes down to compromise. I am happy, he is happy all is good in Shorty's World haha

But one last thing on this topic:

SAY NO TO PORN :p

I don't know, Shorty, .....why?



Don't worry the feeling has passed Baron Von Max :D

I never said I didn't want him to masterbate or that it upset me. He can be my guest. I will even help him LOL But I am against the whole porn thing.So what, you want him fantasizing about a hot co-worker instead of looking at a picture of some random girl on the internet he'll never meet or interact with in any way?

So what, you want him fantasizing about a hot co-worker instead of looking at a picture of some random girl on the internet he'll never meet or interact with in any way?

So now he is fantasizing about hot co workers? You know what he is so stressed at work he can barely think straight. But if he is, I guess I won't know about it, will I ?
I bet you look at porn and fantasize about random women on the street or co- workers. So looking at porn will stop you from fantasizing about a hot chick at work? I doubt it. I noticed a long time ago how you were continously talking about HOT CHICKS all the time.
I tell you something. He is a pretty sexual guy but he is no way near as sex crazed as you. Then this porn stuff and how a relationsip is doomed without it. I think you are a little obsessed with it for a 41 yr old man.
I mean if you wife is willing to put up with it, you are lucky. But I have a feeling she doesn't know the extent of your obsession with it!!

SAY YES TO PORN :p

That is all.

dont worry those people will be dead soon xev, we will have our satanic porn infested world to ourselves in about 20 years.


peace.

True. I don't know, maybe it's a feminist thing - if you were raised back when women were supposed to "get a man" and have a family and that was all, I guess you would be more possessive than someone who has other things going on in their life.


Satan porn for the win!

Satan porn for the win!
Satan porn! Double the hornyness!

What if a woman is really

What if he is a single guy and doesn't want a GF just for sex?? Me thinks you dodged the question, because it is not really the porn part what bothers you...

True. I don't know, maybe it's a feminist thing - if you were raised back when women were supposed to "get a man" and have a family and that was all, I guess you would be more possessive than someone who has other things going on in their life.


Thats an interesting viewpoint.

I mean if you wife is willing to put up with it, you are lucky. But I have a feeling she doesn't know the extent of your obsession with it!!
If anyone is obsessed with porn, it's you! To me, it's no big deal. Masturbation is simply a natural relief, like scratching an itch. No more significant than that. As Bells said:
It honestly does not bother me like that. If he were spending 20 hours a day with his pants down and tongue hanging out in front of the computer looking at porn, that would be a huge problem. But he does not. If he does look at it, he is discreet. We have a healthy relationship, in all areas. I don't feel threatened by anything he could be looking at on the internet.
I'd say this describes my relationship as well. Not every women is as militant or threatened by what her man does to relieve tension when she's not in the mood as you. For most of us, it's no big deal.

Now as to the quote about the need for porn that you are so obsessed with. A couple quotes from this thread to illustrate the point:
My husband used to work with a guy who one day started to complain that his wife was simply never in the mood anymore. That she had had their first child 3 weeks before was not a consideration this guy was willing to take into account. When he was told that his wife could really not say "yes" due to medical reasons was not something he thought was valid. His complaint, it seems, stemmed from the fact that his wife had simply not been in the mood for 2 months. The guy became offended when his coworkers (mostly male and most with children) laughed at him and called him an insensitive pig.. seeing that the wife had been heavily pregnant and probably was tired and not in the mood and then immediately after the birth, well sex is not even something that would be considered. He was told to shut up and just buy some moisturiser.
My first husband went without sex for about 5 mths when I was pregnant. What kind of wife would i have been to tell him no porn because I didn't approve of it. Its better than him hitting the bars...or truck stops apparently. lol
The normal and natural assumption is that a man will "take matters into his own hands" at certain times such as the situations above. It is at such times that the need for porn arises. Without it, you get behavior like the idiot trying to force sex on his wife as she recovers from surgery. Or maybe adultery, prostitution, something much worse than looking at a naked picture of someone on the internet.

The normal and natural assumption is that a man will "take matters into his own hands" at certain times such as the situations above. It is at such times that the need for porn arises. Without it, you get behavior like the idiot trying to force sex on his wife as she recovers from surgery. Or maybe adultery, prostitution, something much worse than looking at a naked picture of someone on the internet.

I think this is misguided. Porn shouldn't be "okay because otherwise x will happen." Assholes who don't respect women's autonomy are going to be assholes who don't respect women's autonomy whether or not they have outlets for sex besides women.

Porn shouldn't be something that people have to scramble to justify. What you do on your own time with your own money is, well, yours.

Assholes who don't respect women's autonomy are going to be assholes who don't respect women's autonomy whether or not they have outlets for sex besides women.

Perhaps. But you're failing to take into account the differing degrees of being an asshole. Without sex, an asshole might be highly abusive; but with plenty of sex (or masturbation), the asshole might not be, or be less, abusive than the other. Both are assholes, but they're different in behavior.

Porn shouldn't be something that people have to scramble to justify. What you do on your own time with your own money is, well, yours.

Porno is no different to most anything else we do in life ...sure, we not not HAVE TO justify it, but that's the way humans and social interaction works. Those who take you attitude to things are usually considered sociopaths.

Baron Max

What if he is a single guy and doesn't want a GF just for sex?? Me thinks you dodged the question, because it is not really the porn part what bothers you...

Single guy can do anything he wants....I don't have to live with him.

I don't get your question :shrug:

I think this is misguided. Porn shouldn't be "okay because otherwise x will happen."

I agree! It almost sounds like a threat to me. Like if I don't get my porn I will go and do (X)

Madanthony....I am going to say this for the last time. I DO NOT have an issue with him masturbating. Like I said I will sometimes even help out.

My issue is with the Porn. I really don't care what you think. Because frankly ever since you said that your relationship with your wife wouldn't stand a chance without the porn, I don't think much of you. If my b/f said to me....our relationship sucks, it won't last unless you let me have my porn, I would say well you go find yourself a woman who will watch it with you ....goodbye.

Perhaps. But you're failing to take into account the differing degrees of being an asshole. Without sex, an asshole might be highly abusive; but with plenty of sex (or masturbation), the asshole might not be, or be less, abusive than the other. Both are assholes, but they're different in behavior.

Possibly, and they might be more abusive if satisfied in one need.

Porno is no different to most anything else we do in life ...sure, we not not HAVE TO justify it, but that's the way humans and social interaction works. Those who take you attitude to things are usually considered sociopaths.

Baron Max

Oh my, pot paging kettle. For someone who insists that his online persona is a fiction, you're quite ready to believe that other people are as real as they say they are.

But that's besides the point. I'm simply arguing that people should look to their own lives rather than insisting that others alter theirs. Live and let live.

Obviously a horrible stance to take.

I agree! It almost sounds like a threat to me. Like if I don't get my porn I will go and do (X)



*Shrug*
Like I said to Max, I don't understand why people have to justify porn so. If you like it, you like it, and that's fine. But following that up with "I like porn AND it decreases rape AND it is a healthy outlet AND it cures cancer in small children!" is just more thn you need to do.

On the other hand, while I don't like porn or beets, I wouldn't stay with someone who insisted that I give up either for them.

Oh my, pot paging kettle. For someone who insists that his online persona is a fiction, you're quite ready to believe that other people are as real as they say they are.

Nope, just reacting to the words on the screen, not to the "fake persona" that might have typed those words. ...just like I enjoy a good novel without knowing the author personally. :D

But that's besides the point. I'm simply arguing that people should look to their own lives rather than insisting that others alter theirs. Live and let live. Obviously a horrible stance to take.

No, it's not a "horrible stance", it's highly idealistic stance. I don't think society could actually function if we all followed that ideal. Could anything ever get built? Could anything actually function once it was built? (Hey, that might be a good topic for discussion on some other forum, huh?)

Porno? I didn't think of it 'til just now, but ...If a man's wife watched porno a lot, would he be comfortable with it? The women here have talked mostly about their boyfriend or husband, but ...what about the other way 'round?

Baron Max

Porno? I didn't think of it 'til just now, but ...If a man's wife watched porno a lot, would he be comfortable with it? The women here have talked mostly about their boyfriend or husband, but ...what about the other way 'round?

Baron Max

I bet all the guys say it would be perfectly ok with them :rolleyes:

I bet all the guys say it would be perfectly ok with them

Yeah, Shorty, they might "say" that, but I think they might have some different feelings about it.

They might say it was okay as long as it got her "in the mood" for sex with HIM. But if he was left out of the picture, he might not like it at all.

Baron Max

Yeah, Shorty, they might "say" that, but I think they might have some different feelings about it.

They might say it was okay as long as it got her "in the mood" for sex with HIM. But if he was left out of the picture, he might not like it at all.

Baron Max

Arent women usually always left out of the picture? So men would feel the same as what women do?! What if the women was secretative about it? Would the man be pissed off by this?

Arent women usually always left out of the picture?

No, they aren't. Mostly men watch porno and get hot n' horny ...and usually have to masturbate because his wife/girlfriend won't fuck him as much as he wants!

What if the women was secretative about it? Would the man be pissed off by this?

What men don't know usually won't hurt them. If he don't know, what's to be pissed about?

Baron Max

I wonder how guys feel when their wives use a vibrator.

Considering that two of my vibrators were gifts from my husband, I would say he is entirely secure about the concept. When we watch porn together, it involves naked men as well as naked women (wouldn't be much fun for me otherwise!), and if it affected him negatively, I think I'd notice.

I do not watch porn without my husband, but I read erotica (a.k.a. "written porn"). If I happen to be horny when he is not around, it helps me masturbate. Just like visual porn helps him when I am not available. As I said, some (possibly most) of his porn does not interest/excite me, but it does not bother me either. Although I could easily think of some that would.


I mean if you wife is willing to put up with it, you are lucky. But I have a feeling she doesn't know the extent of your obsession with it!!

If anyone is obsessed with porn, it's you!

I am inclined to agree. The slogan "Just Say No To Porn" is kind of indicative. Shorty_37 clearly does not enjoy porn of ANY kind, and does not see why anyone else would. Well, some of us do -- and yes, men more than women. I think Shorty_37's question "Why do you need it?" is telling. She assumes that anyone who watches/reads porn needs it. I am sure some (men) do need it, just like some people are addicted to chocolate, but I like it. And I happen to agree with Xev -- I should not have to justify my, or my husband's, porn indulgement any more than my chocolate indulgement.

Alcohol, gambling, cheesecake, video games, porn -- many things are enjoyable in moderation, yet can conceivably take over your life and ruin you financially or in other ways. I think outlawing any of them is a bad idea. There is a reason it is usually done in places like Iran and Soviet Union.

Yeah, Shorty, they might "say" that, but I think they might have some different feelings about it.

They might say it was okay as long as it got her "in the mood" for sex with HIM. But if he was left out of the picture, he might not like it at all.

Baron Max

Yeah or if the guys she was watching had a 9 inch dick and he had a little bitty one!! :D

I use to watch gay porn to piss my ex bf off!

Considering that two of my vibrators were gifts from my husband, I would say he is entirely secure about the concept. When we watch porn together, it involves naked men as well as naked women (wouldn't be much fun for me otherwise!), and if it affected him negatively, I think I'd notice.

I do not watch porn without my husband, but I read erotica (a.k.a. "written porn"). If I happen to be horny when he is not around, it helps me masturbate. Just like visual porn helps him when I am not available. As I said, some (possibly most) of his porn does not interest/excite me, but it does not bother me either. Although I could easily think of some that would.



I am inclined to agree. The slogan "Just Say No To Porn" is kind of indicative. Shorty_37 clearly does not enjoy porn of ANY kind, and does not see why anyone else would. Well, some of us do -- and yes, men more than women. I think Shorty_37's question "Why do you need it?" is telling. She assumes that anyone who watches/reads porn needs it. I am sure some (men) do need it, just like some people are addicted to chocolate, but I like it. And I happen to agree with Xev -- I should not have to justify my, or my husband's, porn indulgement any more than my chocolate indulgement.

Alcohol, gambling, cheesecake, video games, porn -- many things are enjoyable in moderation, yet can conceivably take over your life and ruin you financially or in other ways. I think outlawing any of them is a bad idea. There is a reason it is usually done in places like Iran and Soviet Union.

Listen my Say no to porn slogan is a JOKE!!!:rolleyes: I don't think you know me all that well and don't get how sarcastic I am. Anyway I don't really care what you guys do. I don't have to live with you. It just isn't for me. Just for all those offended I will change it. ;)

The only thing that pisses me off is when a guy says what Madanthony did.

A relationship doesn't stand a chance without porn! :mad: Looking at other naked women and porn in general should not be a MUST for a relationship to work. That is Fucked up!

I use to watch gay porn to piss my ex bf off!

Why did it piss him off?

Why did it piss him off?

Cause he use to watch porn all the time and tried to get me into, so I decided to pretend to love gay porn - he use to hate it because there were no women to gawp at and got very jealous cause I was only looking at guys. It was weird - but he certainly hated it!

Cause he use to watch porn all the time and tried to get me into, so I decided to pretend to love gay porn - he use to hate it because there were no women to gawp at and got very jealous cause I was only looking at guys. It was weird - but he certainly hated it!

Good for you lol

Good for you lol

Shorty, I happen to very good at reading between the lines.

What should I glean from this last comment?

You know I'll have my opinion...soon.

C'mon, beat me to it.

:shrug: That he got to feel how it made her feel.

HAHA you know what I am done with talking about the whole thing.
It has now:zzz: bored me.....

O.K but here's what I think.
You are completely non-threatened by guys getting funky but if there are girls involved...you are concerned whether you are measuring up or not.

Sorry Shorty but you really should see this shit coming.

O.K but here's what I think.
You are completely non-threatened by guys getting funky but if there are girls involved...you are concerned whether you are measuring up or not.

Sorry Shorty but you really should see this shit coming.

Oh! you pegged me you are so smart :rolleyes: :D

You know what I wish i could turn around tomorrow and be the most confident, secure, ego ready to explode type of person. But I am not.

So what are you going to do about it? I could have wayyyyyyyyy worse
personality traits.

[QUOTE=shorty_37;1642702]Oh! you pegged me you are so smart :rolleyes: :D

QUOTE]

No shorty, I wouldn't peg you.
I prefer a more dusky woman and besides Nietszche would kill me or I would kill him...it'd be a cool fight!

And...(flirting the fine line between sick humour and a yellow card).. a round spud peg doesn't fit in an old hole ? !

Listen my Say no to porn slogan is a JOKE!!!:rolleyes: I don't think you know me all that well and don't get how sarcastic I am.

I apologize. On the Internet it is often hard to tell whether someone is serious or not.

The only thing that pisses me off is when a guy says what Madanthony did.

A relationship doesn't stand a chance without porn! :mad: Looking at other naked women and porn in general should not be a MUST for a relationship to work. That is Fucked up!

I would phrase it somewhat differently -- "if looking at other naked women and porn in general is a MUST for a relationship to work, then this relationship was not meant to be".

Yesterday I saw in Dear Abby column a letter from a woman about her fiancee's obssession with an old jug of milk. For some reason he did not throw it out when the milk went bad (wanted to see what will grow in it?), and ended up keeping that jug of milk for two years -- "through two moves, seven jobs, and three girlfriends". The woman who wrote the letter can not imagine living with a same jug of ancient milk in a fridge for years. Her fiancee will not part with it. Seems like it's the only constant in his life.

Now that's fucked up IMO. If a gallon of rotten milk is a MUST for a relationship to work, then this relationship was not meant to be either.

It's not the porn per se, it's obssession.

[QUOTE=shorty_37;1642702]QUOTE]

besides Nietszche would kill me or I would kill him...it'd be a cool fight!

Who needs nietszche, I could just beat you to death with my potato masher ;)

I apologize.

I would phrase it somewhat differently -- "if looking at other naked women and porn in general is a MUST for a relationship to work, then this relationship was not meant to be".



No problem....

Yes that is exactly what I said.

[QUOTE=Spud Emperor;1642704]

Who needs nietszche, I could just beat you to death with my potato masher ;)

Peel me first though, right?

No time...

A poser..
All that meat and no potatoes.

I just tried to imagine what would happen if I forbade my husband to look at porn. This make-believe is not as easy as it sounds, because it could never happen in isolation -- to make such demand I'd have to be a very different person than I actually am. So to make it easier, I pretended that he liked porn I find offensive (rape and torture kind) as much as he actually does the "normal" kind.

He would be unhappy about it. He would sneak behind my back. Eventually I would find out. I'd go ballistic. We'd separate and divorce. Relationship which was not meant to be.

But I would never have a relationship with, let alone marry, someone who was into rape and torture in the first place! And my husband (the real, not hypothetical one) would never marry the kind of woman who would prohibit him to look at porn! Some people simply should not be together. My husband would not be appropriate for Shorty_37. And it sounds like Madanthonywayne is with someone appropriate for him.

And good luck for "rotten milk guy" finding someone appropriate for him...

I just tried to imagine what would happen if I forbade my husband to look at porn. This make-believe is not as easy as it sounds, because it could never happen in isolation -- to make such demand I'd have to be a very different person than I actually am. So to make it easier, I pretended that he liked porn I find offensive (rape and torture kind) as much as he actually does the "normal" kind.

He would be unhappy about it. He would sneak behind my back. Eventually I would find out. I'd go ballistic. We'd separate and divorce. Relationship which was not meant to be.

But I would never have a relationship with, let alone marry, someone who was into rape and torture in the first place! And my husband (the real, not hypothetical one) would never marry the kind of woman who would prohibit him to look at porn! Some people simply should not be together. My husband would not be appropriate for Shorty_37. And it sounds like Madanthonywayne is with someone appropriate for him.

Well, yeah, sure. But since we're all here to tell everyone else what to do, how to do it, what's good, what's bad, what's right n' what's wrong, then we should continue this long, long, involved, worthless thread so others can continue to tell everyone else what they should and shouldn't do.

Damn, ya' can't take all the fun from us, can you? :D

Baron Max

Nope, just reacting to the words on the screen, not to the "fake persona" that might have typed those words. ...just like I enjoy a good novel without knowing the author personally. :D

Cute comeback.
I still don't think it's sociopathic to reject the dictates of whiny, submissive, oversocialized twats who can't live their own lives without interfering with other people's.

No, it's not a "horrible stance", it's highly idealistic stance. I don't think society could actually function if we all followed that ideal. Could anything ever get built? Could anything actually function once it was built? (Hey, that might be a good topic for discussion on some other forum, huh?)

No. "Society" varies from culture to culture and epoch to epoch. The sort of culture where everybody is all up in everybody else's business works for small groups of people, but does it work for large cultures?

Besides, the men and women who've been burned at the stake would probably dispute the notion that those cultures "worked."

The only thing that pisses me off is when a guy says what Madanthony did.

A relationship doesn't stand a chance without porn! Looking at other naked women and porn in general should not be a MUST for a relationship to work. That is Fucked up!

You've made this point several times. Since you're not going to be dating a guy with that attitude, why are you so upset about it?

Cute comeback.

I have accidents now and then ....think nothing of it. :D

.... The sort of culture where everybody is all up in everybody else's business works for small groups of people, but does it work for large cultures?

I think it must ...else it's not a "society", it's something else. Like, for example, I don't think New York City is a "society", I think it's just a helluva bunch of people living in the same general area ....and mostly who don't give a fuck about even their nearest neighbor. See? That's not a "society", it's something else.

Besides, the men and women who've been burned at the stake would probably dispute the notion that those cultures "worked."

So are you saying that a "society" must "work" for everyone in it? There can be no dissenters, no protestors, etc? See, I don't think that ...but I do think that the needs of the greater majority must, MUST, out-weigh the needs of the few. So ....burn a few of 'em at the stake!

Sorry for derailing this thread, but was the damned thing going anywhere anyway?

Baron Max

Cute comeback.


You've made this point several times. Since you're not going to be dating a guy with that attitude, why are you so upset about it?

Baron is getting cutesy on us? :eek:

I know I am nuts, I feel like this thread is turning into a skipping record.
I have moved onto "leafing" now it is a much more relaxing thread lol.

You've made this point several times. Since you're not going to be dating a guy with that attitude, why are you so upset about it?
The really funny thing is that quote isn't even from this thread, yet she's quoted it several times here!

The really funny thing is that quote isn't even from this thread, yet she's quoted it several times here!

Does it matter, it is your view on porn and a relationship.
This is a porn and your relationship thread.:shrug:

A funny bit I just saw on the man show. Marriageol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpW5eLjD-Xg

she says. "I think it's very degrading to women.

It certainly isn't degrading to certain women's bank accounts.

I have accidents now and then ....think nothing of it. :D



I think it must ...else it's not a "society", it's something else. Like, for example, I don't think New York City is a "society", I think it's just a helluva bunch of people living in the same general area ....and mostly who don't give a fuck about even their nearest neighbor. See? That's not a "society", it's something else.



So are you saying that a "society" must "work" for everyone in it? There can be no dissenters, no protestors, etc? See, I don't think that ...but I do think that the needs of the greater majority must, MUST, out-weigh the needs of the few. So ....burn a few of 'em at the stake!

Sorry for derailing this thread, but was the damned thing going anywhere anyway?

Baron Max

There is a difference between harming other people and having a dissenting opinion.

AAAAArgh! Rightwingers!