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Last Updated: Tuesday, 7 February 2006, 18:00 GMT


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Abu Hamza jailed for seven years





Abu Hamza preaching

Controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri has been jailed for seven years after being found guilty of inciting murder and race hate.

Abu Hamza, 47, who preached at Finsbury Park Mosque, London, was convicted of 11 of the 15 charges he faced.

He has already been in jail since May 2004, and will appeal. His lawyer said he considered himself "a prisoner of faith" subject to "slow martyrdom".

US authorities are seeking the cleric's extradition for terror-related matters.

He is wanted on charges of trying to set up a "terrorist training camp" in the state of Oregon.

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Its not very hard to see where all these anti west demonstrations come from, if this mosque is anything to go by, a supposed place of peace & worship, but it is nothing but a terroist training camp.

False passports, chemical warfare kits, guns, knives, funny in catholic churches we have bibles,wine, bread, & holy water.

This parasite Abu Hamza, hook as he is called in the uk press, for his one arm has blead the uk dry, over a million in taxpayers money for cars, homes, benefits, a dozen kids all going to uk schools, he has spent the last 10 years burning uk flags & telling muslims in london to kill the infidel british.

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Last Updated: Tuesday, 7 February 2006, 12:13 GMT


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Protester is returned to prison



Omar Khayam was still on licence at the time of his protest

A demonstrator who imitated a suicide bomber in a Muslim protest over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad has been recalled to prison.

Omar Khayam, 22, of Bedford, is a convicted drug dealer who was jailed in 2002 and released on licence last year after serving half his sentence.

He was arrested and recalled to prison for breaching the terms of his licence.

Khayam apologised for his "insensitive" protest on Monday but said he had been offended by the cartoons.

A Bedfordshire Police spokesman said Khayam was arrested under the Criminal Justice Act 2003 at the request of the Home Office.

He was given five and a half years in prison in December 2002 for dealing cocaine and heroin.

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Another very so called religous muslim, so upset about those cartoons, he dresses as a suicide bomber in london demonstrations, however he also deals in cocaine & heroin, so in his book its not ok to insult muhammed, but its quite alright to sell cocaine & heroin to youths.

 

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Its funny how religous tolerance is one way traffic, towards muslims, we tolerate them burning our flags in our own countries, we tolerate them calling for suicide bombers in our own countries too, how many seconds or minutes would they tolerate a westerner burning there flags & calling for them to be blown up or beheaded in there countries, well i would imagine in indonesia or pakistan or iran, it would be minutes before you got a axe in your head, yes religous tolerance, the western world is 100% tolerant towards them, but towards us there tolerance is zero.

In the uk muslim demonstrations this week, no muslims arrested on the day, but 2 uk students in a counter demonstration were arrested for a breech of the peace, they were trying to distribute cartoons of muhammed, its nice to see the uk police are arresting us for freedom of speech, but not arresting them for calling for more suicide bombings, and beheadings.


Yes our world leaders ram it down our throats we must show religous tolerance, yet they can not even tolerate us as tourists in there countries, in egypt & indonesia, there have been many massacres of tourists over the years, hell if the pyramids were in a civilised country, it would be the most popular attration in the world, but these days tourists are scared to go to egypt or indonesia because of there total lack of religous tolerance towards us.

Religous tolerance = One way traffic.

 

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Bugger off.

 

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Yes the truth hurts dont it, i have been telling you about the problems in islam for along time, you seem to think there is none.

Yet the world is now seeing islam in its true light, in this cartoon madness sweeping the world.

And i suppose you think i am being a racist becuase i get upset, when a uk mosque has chemical warfare kits & guns inside, are they going to use a dirty bomb in the uk, i suppose i should not be annoyed by this, and i should turn the other cheek, i think you are the one who need to bugger off, to your chemical warfare friends, who you value so deerly, that really does not say much about you does it........

 

bugger off

 

You do seem to enjoy being buggered, or do you have a bug up your ass.

 

I find this all just a tab bit too convenient. Vincent, there is no problem in Islam. I'll admit there is a problem with a certain group of people within the Islamic community. Not All Muslims behave in this manner. Just as not all Christians go around blowing up abortion clinics, killing gays, bombing FBI buildings and massacring 6 million Jews. Nor are all Jews into Zionism

The problem isn't Islam although that is how certain people would like to portray the issue.

I ask one thing of all Muslims who think killing over a cartoon is a valid act. If the Prophet were here to witness these acts, do you think he'd be please that someone has died over a cartoon? That you have allowed yourselves to be misled?

 

(1)Do you think it is OK for a Muslim to convert from being a Muslim into becoming a Jew or Christian or Hindu or Buddhist or Atheist? If they felt a sense of peace would you support their conversion?

If the answer is YES I would support them and their choice - well then there maybe there is no problem with Islam.

If the answer is NO I would not support them and their choise - then there is a problem with Islam.

(2) Do you support allowing Jew or Christian or Hindu or Buddhist or Atheist to proselytize their beliefs and seek to convert likeminded Muslims in Saudi Arabia? To allow them to build Churches and Synagogues and Temples there?

If the answer is YES I would support them and those who choose a new path - then maybe there is no problem with Islam.

If the answer is NO I would not support them nor their chosen new path - then there maybe there is problem with Islam.


Michael

 

But Dk its is the militants who are hijacking the religon, it is the militants who are on the news & in newspapers every day, in the western world we have balance yes we have extremists like the national front demonstrating, but then we have counter demonstrations usually on the same day, of people who strongly disagree with racist demonstrations, in islam there are no counter demonstrations, so the western world is led to believe all muslims are of these strong opinions.

What i found the most sickening today, is that the 2 most famous democracies, America & the UK they are running scared to reprint these cartoons, even though a french magazine, is re-running them for a second time.


The bottom line is this as long as people like Abu hamza are allowed to practice preaching hate in one of the uk's biggest mosques, for over 7 years, while muslim leaders were afraid of him, in the western world we are not afraid of neo nazis or racists, we take great pleasure in slapping them down, muslims need to start slapping down the nuts in there religon too, before the nuts start taking over the nuthouse.

 

Why's that funny? Isn't that what makes "us" better than "them"?

- N

 

You bet!
We do not kill Mullahs when they publish their hate cartoons in Al Ahram and other Arab Muslim press, for years.
Yes, better, by long shot.

 

Thats all that there needs to be for there to be a problem in Islam.

Not all Christians performed things like the witch hunts, the crusades, or the sterilization of the New World. Still, they let it happen when they had the chance to stop it. Now Islam is making the same sort of mistake.

 

Tolerance. Mercy. Freedom from the tedious minutiae of a nosy god.

When "us" needs to control me so precisely as to tell me which hand to wipe my arse with, I'll go side with "them", thanks.

The sad part is, some people are going to think that was a joke. If only.

Geoff

 

Well, he did have that poetess killed because she ridiculed him in her poetry. Check the hadiths of al-Buhkari, al-Dawud too I think.

"Two goats will not but their heads together [over her death]", he's reported to have said of it.

Wow. Wadda nice guy. Was he hijacking his own religion?

"Take me to Mecca!": to paraphrase the old joke.

Geoff

 

The thing that is dragging islam down, is the fact that no one can question there faith or call there religon, one of the few that have tried salman rusdie, has been in hiding for 10 years after a fatwa was issued against him, calling for his muder with a million dollar bounty on his head.

In all other faiths but islam, we have the right to criticise, and question our faith, thats what makes our religon healthy, islam is choking itself to death with its total control over its muslims.

the reason Hitler came about is because the german people did not dare criticise him, or protest against him, they saw him as a hero, to rebuild & rescue germany, the same thing can be said of bin laden, he is a hero to most muslims, racists like hitler & bin laden, can not exist in a society that is healthy & that is willing to slap these nutters down to size.

muslims are unwilling to slap bin laden down to to size, instead he believes he has the support of the muslim world, in his quest of killing infidels.

We are not robots, we are not supposed to follow religon blindly, muslims need to get out of this rent a mob way of life, how life is endless days of burning flags, & attacking embassies, most people in the UK dont have time to demonstrate there to busy bloody working, the problem in many muslim countries is becauseof massive unemployment they have nothing better to do, than to join one protest after another, the latest in indonesis is one against allowing the playgirl magazine there.

massive unemplyment will continue in all muslim countries, as long as western businessmen are bombarded with muslim resentment to westerners every night on there tv, who in there right mind would invest in these countries.

 

(1)Do you think it is OK for a Muslim to convert from being a Muslim into becoming a Jew or Christian or Hindu or Buddhist or Atheist? If they felt a sense of peace would you support their conversion?

If the answer is YES I would support them and their choice - well then there maybe there is no problem with Islam.

If the answer is NO I would not support them and their choise - then there is a problem with Islam.

(2) Do you support allowing Jew or Christian or Hindu or Buddhist or Atheist to proselytize their beliefs and seek to convert likeminded Muslims in Saudi Arabia? To allow them to build Churches and Synagogues and Temples there?

If the answer is YES I would support them and those who choose a new path - then maybe there is no problem with Islam.

If the answer is NO I would not support them nor their chosen new path - then there maybe there is problem with Islam.


Michael


I guess I’ll have to assume that NO you would not support your fellow Muslims converting from Islam to another religion. And NO, unlike where you live, you also would not support (say those Arabs that had converted) building temples near where they live to worship in.

To me, this suggests you are intolerant towards non-Islamic belief.

Therefore you think that one form of belief is superior to others – that being Islamic.

Well well, guess what. Most other Muslims think exactly the same. And so the logical conclusion (if you believe in person freedom of choice and religion) is that there is a serious problem with Islam.

To see the hypocrisy think of it this way: as most Americans dislike Islam and would hate to see their fellow Xians converting; Should Americans have a referendum and vote to ban the religion Islam within America? See what the populace as a whole really wants? I think we both know what would happen. No more Islam in America. All it would take is to define Islam as an Evil Cult and not a Proper Religion at all. Maybe jail anyone found practicing Islam – you know like they do in to Jews/Christians/Hindus/Buddhists in Saudi Arabia. That oh-so-famous seat of inspiration called Islam.

Oh but I forgot, 99% of Muslims think that this should be the case in KSA. So yes, from most Muslims point of view (including your own) There is no problem in Islam.

 

Michael: well put indeed.

Kudos.

Geoff

 

Yes, it is OK - it’s their personal choice after all.

Even though I’m atheist I did support a close friends choice to join a religious organization. I thought that it would do her some good and perhaps she would be happier for being a part of that organization.

Also, one would think that from a religious point of view it is even more important to let a person choose. What would be better in a God’s eyes? A person that choose to worship that God (assuming that God enjoys adoration) or a person who is forced to worship that God?

Yes and obviously that is the case in the USA.

As a matter of fact I’m all for teaching religious history in school - starting at an age as early as is possible. I would like each child in the USA to learn about all of the belief systems and their individual histories and from whence those beliefs came from. But rarely is this taught in history class – if ever. It’s obvious Christianity and Atheism has had a huge social impact on the European mind set - as has Islam and Buddhism and Hinduism and Shintoism .. etcetera, in their respective societies. But rarely is this, if ever, covered in social studies. It’s as if Religion is so taboo that we dare not enter its domain. So long as that information is based on the most up to date archeological information and social thesis then why not teach it? We pay millions of dollars to support the research – why isn’t the information being disseminated? So long as it isn’t taught in school then the only possible source for information is in the home and in the religious building – possibly the two unlikely places to receive truthful information.



1) How many Muslims have I talked to that think the West was built on a foundation laid by Islam? Which is rubbish.

2) How many Jews are deluded into thinking that somehow they have contributed more to Western society than Europeans (see point #1 - - yeah it’s a reoccurring theme). pure BS.

3) How many Muslims have I met that think the Arabic language is God’s tongue – as if it suddenly popped into existence with the Qur’an.

4) How many Muslims have I talked to that think a Muslim invented zero? Again rubbish.

5) How many Christians think that they “saved” the poor barbaric peoples in the lands that Europeans colonized. Jesus, that’s a laugh.

6) How many Jews have I met that think they’ve been the most persecuted people on the planet. Pure rubbish – maybe they should consider the last 9000 years of Africana enslavement, a topic that has been written about since the time of the first Pharos – before Judaism even existed, maybe add a little more perspective huh?

7) How many Muslims have I met that think that there has only been one Qur’an and it suddenly floated from heaven to land in the lap of Mohammed.

8) How many Buddhist know little to nothing of the Buddhist wars fought during its early inception – particularly in Tibet.

9) How many Jews think that they are the chosen people?

10) Lastly, as the oldest religion in the World, I find it ironic how little people know of Hinduism.


Maybe it’d be good for people to learn of the other religions including the ones that were plagiarized to make up their own!!! Judaism, Xianity and Islam in particular would be better off knowing their extensive and deep Pagan roots.

Michael