View Full Version : Plastic Bags For Peaceful Death


goofyfish
07-11-02, 12:50 PM
Plastic bags designed for committing suicide are to be manufactured in Brisbane and given away to Australians, euthanasia campaigner Philip Nitschke said on Tuesday.

The Australian-designed draw-string "exit bag" has an airtight seal, and kills not through suffocation but by oxygen deprivation.And the difference is??? :eek:
To avoid prosecution, Exit Australia ( http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Australasia/0,1113,2-10-36_1211016,00.html) will distribute the bags without instructions on their use.

"There's a special way you hold the bag and you then go to sleep, and it's only when you go to sleep that the bag comes into play,"Hope everyone can figure that out without the instructions! :bugeye:

Peace.

Adam
07-11-02, 01:35 PM
Nutters.

wet1
07-11-02, 02:07 PM
You mean someone is going to have to go and collect all them plastic bags? Oh, some lucky someone...

Where do you find this stuff Goofyfish?

Firefly
07-12-02, 11:58 AM
Whoa... Don't know if that's good or not. Shocking.

Nannygoat Gruff
07-13-02, 10:26 PM
But what do you do if you are a suicidal insomniac?

Firefly
07-14-02, 08:02 AM
I don't imagine you'd be that very long.

Zero
07-23-02, 03:38 AM
If you start contemplating suicide, you really don't care how much it hurts. The pain of death is much less than the pain of life and the pain of guilt, so the mind starts self destructing.
If you haven't contemplated suicide you don't know what it's like.

And if you haven't gotten out of it, at least temporarily, with the help of someone caring, you have not experienced true joy. It is the stuff even beyond the reach of the divine.

And if you haven't felt what it's like to have that someone betray you, you still haven't really lived.


Ach, I'm just getting all mushy again. But oh well.

Xev
07-23-02, 03:46 AM
Zero:

Aye, I agree. And if you haven't pulled yourself out of it, you can't ever really know the combination of true lonliness and true power....

Zero
07-24-02, 02:06 AM
It's easy to mistake teen angst for suicidal tendencies. As I said, you don't care if you kill yourself with a saw or a bag. Whatever pain you will feel pales in comparison with what goes on inside you.

Increan
07-29-02, 01:30 AM
Suicide is selfish and weak. I thought about suicide once and nearly killed myself for being so stupid, I am ironic.

Xevious
08-06-02, 02:00 PM
I have a question reguarding these suicide bags:

What if they are used to cover up murders?

Lesion42
08-13-02, 09:59 AM
And why are they making these?:confused: maybe a small pen sized device loaded with a single bullet would be better. Or how about just toughing your way through it? LIVE for heavens sake!:rolleyes:

Firefly
08-13-02, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Lesion42
And why are they making these?:confused:
Monieeee :)

The don't care whether people live or die, they just want to create new products and have them bought. Though they'll have to research if there's a big enough demand first. :o

A4Ever
08-13-02, 02:45 PM
Suicide is selfish and weak.

I believe you have to be very strong to perform the act.

Xevious
08-31-02, 10:56 AM
No, suicide does not take strength. Living through suicidal depression does. I would know. Would you?

fatty
09-01-02, 10:55 AM
I don't know all the details but it's not something people can purchase over the counter if they suffer depression. It's for people with teminal illnesses and suffer immense physical pain from it. They need to go through tests (physical and psychological) to join the group or buy the bag, I'm not sure which; maybe both.

just thought I'll clear that up.

Xevious
09-18-02, 12:20 PM
I know that. Being termanlly ill by itself won't make you suicidal however. It's being depressed over being terminally ill which makes one suicidal.

goofyfish
09-18-02, 12:35 PM
Not always the case. A terminal illness can wear you down physically the point that you can no longer bear it. Suicide relieves that physical pain. Mental depression does not enter into it.

Peace.

_____________
Youth is the first victim of war - the first fruit of peace.
It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.-- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

Xevious
09-24-02, 09:58 AM
If they cannot bear the pain, then they are in mental torment over their physical discomfort. Why do you think pain is used in military field interrogations? You break their spirit by breaking their legs or arms and causing them exquisit pain. Trust me, I have a friend who lives with a chronic back problem. He cries almost daily because he can't handle the pain and he sometimes talks about how depressed it makes him.

goofyfish
09-25-02, 06:35 PM
I trump your back pain with a friend who died of leukemia.
He was seldom drepessed, and only mentioned suicide when
the pain was unbearable.

Peace.

Xev
09-27-02, 12:05 AM
Selfish? Suicide? That's rather - ah, interesting. I mean, suicide should be a personal choice, shouldn't it?


No, suicide does not take strength. Living through suicidal depression does. I would know. Would you?

Well, it takes more than a bit of courage to face eternal nothingess, don't you think?

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Squid Vicious
09-28-02, 12:38 AM
Yes, Xev, it does. but where you talking about after death or the possible eternal nothingness of living?

Xev
09-28-02, 12:58 AM
Squid:

If life is eternal nothingness, to face it when an option out exists is not courage. It's stupidity.

If life is pleasurable, worth living, then living through pain is not couragous. It is the sensible thing to do.

I just don't see why we attatch all these value judgements to suicide. Selfish? If there's one time you're going to be selfish, when you're suicidal has got to be that one time. Weak? No, you're staring death in the face. How's that weak? If life is so painful that suicide is the best choice, the rational thing to do is to kill yourself.

Suicide isn't strong, either. It just is. It's an option like having that chocalate mousse during your diet is.

Squid Vicious
09-30-02, 08:11 AM
I'll take the pain. whatever comes.

Xevious
10-12-02, 11:24 PM
Xev, when soemone really wants to commit suicide, they don't care about the eternal nothingness. That is not what's on their mind. All they care about is all the emotional pain going away. They don't care about how it's going to end, only that they won't feel pain anymore. It's in just about any psycological textbook on the subject.

Xevious
10-13-02, 09:51 AM
Okay, I'll give you that one. However, it does at the same time support my argument that those who want to truly die don't care about the "eternal abyss". That is furthest from their mind. All they care about is the pain going away.

Squid Vicious
10-14-02, 08:21 AM
In which case, Xevious, they have no real understanding of the "eternal abyss", do they?

*edit*
fucking hell. there it is.... the answer to my problem.

Chayyath
02-09-10, 09:28 AM
Not sure why anyone would bother judging an adults' decision to no longer wish to be a part of this life. If you're on a ride, and you don't want to wait until the end of it (keep in mind, millions per year do not reach a "natural" end - working in Canada's largest trauma hospital has more than shown me that), no other can speak for them, or judge them.

To call it weak or cowardly is pure naivety and demonstrable of one who is, basically, clueless and Green to the gills. Ending one's life could be an weakness or cowardice, but that's usually reserved for people who have done horrible things and about to pay a penalty for it, have it go public etc.

It's a bit irritating to hear someone say, "Life is tough, too bad, deal with it". These are the 70 IQ'd dimwits I refer to. If you don't want to be here, you're not in prison, you are free to go. It's the dimwits who refer to life as a place you are chained to whether you like it or not. You aren't chained to anything.

Bottom_Line
01-12-12, 04:09 PM
It would appear that a central point has been left out of the debate regarding suicide. It seems with all of this talk of cowardice, strength and the like regarding death, matters in the end as if we will or will not die. Have you all forgotten that no person leaves this earth alive. Hence the debate should recognize that suicide is not a debate about whether or not to die, rather it is about just when. That notion should remove some of the bravado and criticism aimed at suicide choosers.

michael_taylor
01-12-12, 11:37 PM
Suicide with a plastic bag? What a stupid idea.

If you want a peaceful death I hardly think that's the way to do it. Diacetylmorphine overdose, carbon monoxide poisoning or even blood loss would be much more peaceful.

(Though I should point out I don't recommend those either.)

Bells
01-13-12, 09:09 AM
Bringing a thread back from the dead depths of, well, death to discuss suicide.

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Thoreau
01-24-12, 01:07 PM
I'm sure that if someone wants to off themself, they'll find a way without spending money, much less on a plastic bag, of all things. If their serious, they'll find a way.

Specialized suicide isn't much of an industry. I could kill myself with my bare hands if I was serious about it.