I hereby solemnly swear that I, Q (herein known as the 'opponent'), being of sound, rationale and reasonable mind, will accept and follow the teachings and beliefs of Gil W, Truthseeker, Banshee and all those proponents (herein known et al as the 'proponents') for the arrival of Planet X on or about May 13, 2003 and the circumstances surrounding aforementioned arrival (herein known as the 'event').

If the event takes place, I will never disagree nor attempt to debunk or disprove any theories or ideas of said proponents in any way, shape or form. I will also support in debate, any theory or idea however unsubstantiated by said proponents, against any and all opponents. I shall also make any and all proponents my personal spiritual guides and mystical soothsayers upon successful completion of the event. I shall also never again use my mind for rational or reasonable thinking and will concede it's use to any and all proponents.

The Q shall not deviate from this declaration unless acceptable changes are submitted by proponents and/or opponents prior to June 30/02.

All those who consider themselves 'opponents' to Planet X, please signify your acceptance of this declaration.

What say you proponents ? What similar declaration can you offer in return ?

amen




(I'm neutral for some days, Q. I haven't actually read all the supposed "evidence" Banshee and others provided, and what is most important - haven't done any independent investigation, if not counting tht tht I now think the planet Nibru (also known as planet-x) is actually already shatered to pieces and is nowadays known as the great asteroid belt between the orbits of mars and jupiter.) oh and one of my life's phylosophyes says-> always leave an escape route. I have to think of pros and cons by signing under this

cheers!

Amen and Hallelujah to the year 2012, in which the real important changes will take place.

I suggest you read my posts a little better (Q). In no way I've ever said, Planet X will come in 2003, nor have I ever claimed, the date would be May 13.

Sorry to disappoint you.

In addition, I made your thread "sticky"...:)

Banshee

I suggest you read my posts a little better (Q). In no way I've ever said, Planet X will come in 2003, nor have I ever claimed, the date would be May 13.

The link you provided stated May 13, 2002. If not that day, when ? I'll abide by the declaration whenever this so-called event takes place.

In addition, I made your thread "sticky"...

What does that mean ?

it means tht it will stay on top of all the other threads all time.:D :cool:

In addition, I made your thread "sticky"...

Ewwwwww!

What does that mean ?

You don't want to know.

Avatar

Always on top ? Excellent. No need to search for it on May 13/03.

BTW - you should have no reservations by signing to this declaration. There is no observable evidence to suggest otherwise. I'll bet the proponents however, are not so confident in their claims as to make a similar declaration.

Originally posted by (Q)
The link you provided stated May 13, 2002. If not that day, when ? I'll abide by the declaration whenever this so-called event takes place.

I also told that it seemed to be Planet X day, today in the e-mails. I just passed a link. Doesn't mean I think it is so...



(There's a chance I have to unstick the thread again, 'cause Porfiry's book thread, which is sticky and always on top, is now second. I'll wait and see what he has to say about it.)

;)

Banshee

I also told that it seemed to be Planet X day, today in the e-mails. I just passed a link. Doesn't mean I think it is so...

No problem. If anyone can provide a firm date, I'll place it in the declaration.

(There's a chance I have to unstick the thread again, 'cause Porfiry's book thread, which is sticky and always on top, is now second. I'll wait and see what he has to say about it.)

Again, no problem. We can always find this thread at any time.

What the heck's planet X, and what's planet X day? Does Planet-X refer to Nibiru or whatever, the one that Zecharin Stitchin wrote like 40 books about? :confused:

if you read the thread below, you would know more;)
http://www.sciforums.com/t7939/sfca5ff16507d2af575b5b359f72d93ff/thread.html

it's easy to find it without my help, though:rolleyes:

I've not contributed to that thread but my thoughts on Planet-X are quite strong. Read http://www,geocities.com/openmindxx for an idea and http://www.kook-watch.net/nancy.

Q I'll join you as an opponent and with your declaration.

http://www.sciforums.com/t6991/s/thread.html

I kind of mentioned this before... It's the Deathstar come to reak it's terror....

RUN Q!! RUN!!!

Seriously.... I think this page and others somehow need to be combined.

I'd have to put myself on the skeptics side here. I'm a nut for paranormal stuff but I believe next to none of it. Sort of like a hobbie I guess.

But if you guys are right when planet X comes and the world ends we can put our heads together and build a giant spaceship, with the non-skeptics being the fleet admirals or something.

I say- let's kill that planet!

WHO'S WITH ME?!

The a-bombs I built in my basement are ready, maybe we can nudge her off course--wait, better not say that out loud, or else ECHELON will get me! Oh noooooooooooooooooo! Noooooooooooooooo! Noooooooooooooooooo! Noooooooooooo! Noooooooooooooo! Not ECHELON!! Noooooooooo!

er....where was I?

Oh yes. Planet X. Nonexistent. Don't believe in it. Not there..and stuff.

ECHELON is watching you:bugeye:

you know you're not supposed to say that word. you are already logged.

And I'm not supposed to say M I L N E T, but I hope tht with caps in the middle it won't recognize. although I'm not sure.

(who said I believed in planet x?, just in case all the world leaders must submit their power to me. if the time comes thn I'll be able to gahter the worlds defences. ... in case. if not- Muhahahahaaa - I'm not stupid:p)

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
Seriously.... I think this page and others somehow need to be combined.

Done! :)

I've merged your thread with "Planet X - Disasters etc." a little down the threads. It starts with your post and ends with the last post made in it. It's no longer called "Extra Planet", I cannot do everything and it seemed right to leave the last thread started 'bout this, up and running, giving as well you as Gil_W credit...



;)

I've merged your thread with "Planet X - Disasters etc.
Oh, no. We are in even greater peril. Planet X is now bigger and badder! Agggghhhhhhhhh.........

Thed

Now you're talking. Let's see the proponents put their money where their mouths are.

You can count me in to ante up. :)

I've noticed the proponents voices have suddenly stilled. Is that a cricket I hear ?

Then tell me, who exactly are these proponents? Is there actually someone who said he/she expects this Planet X to hit Earth on May 13 2003?

Now I am curious...

Yes, yes and yes.

I hope you have a bit of time to read this as I am about to summarise a 5/6 year tale. One of the main forums for discussing Astronomy on the Net is news://sci.astro, a usenet group that goes back to the founding of the Net. That group has always attracted it's fair share of nuts, loons and kooks. Some of the most celebrated usenet kooks have graced it's shores. Plus some of it's most celebrated posters have become primary information sources on the Net. For example, <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com">Phil Plait, the Bad Astronomer</a> and <a href="http://www.crank.net">Eric Max Francis</a> to name two off the top of my head. John Baez and Ned Wright come to mind as well. Sci.astro has a web gateway on<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=sci.astro">on groups.google.com</a> with a complete 20 year archive.

Back in about 1996 a new kook appeared. She was <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com">Nancy Leider</a> who claimed to be in telepathic communication with the Zeta Reticulans. Nancy claims that the Zeta's claim there is a Planet-X in the Solar System. This Planet-X is based on Sitchin's and Velikovsky's 'work' but adds in some new age mysticism about density changes, pole shifts and other dreck.

Nancy spammed sci.astro with hundreds of messages a week for long enough. When Comet Hale-Bopp arrived she claimed it was not a comet but a ruse by NASA to deter observations of Planet-X. After the heaven's gate suicides occurred nancy went very, vrey quite until last year. Now she is claiming her Planet-X is arriving in May 2003 and will reign death and destruction onto us all. Read her web site in depth to see what I mean.

Nancy also set up a not-for-profit called <a href="http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm">Troubled Times</a>. She runs a Yahoo club complete with weekly IRC chats to talk to the faithful. Over the years Nancy has apparently gained some followers who help run Troubled Times and act as senior management for her. Search the sci.astro archive for JosX, amongst others. Jos has since recanted after a spat with Nancy.

Nancy has also recently appeared on the Art Bell Coast-to-Coast show in the US and since then many, many people seem to be asking about this matter. Nancy is sufficiently convincing that people appear to be listening to her.

But this get's complicated. One of her followers was a guy called <a href="http://www.planetxvideo.com/">Mark Hazlewood</a>. Mark wrote a book, got it published and appeared on Art Bell last year, before Nancy got the publicity. This led to Nancy having a hissy fit and publishing a public denouncement of Mark Hazlewood on her web site and on Usenet.

So, the main proponent of this idea is Nancy Leider on http://www.zetatalk.com and Mark Hazlewood more recently.

Sitchin recently posted a public denial that Planet-X is due next year. Even Richard Hoagland denounces this. A professional Astronomer has put together a superb debunking of the claims on a web site. Wishing to remain anonymous he calls himself I M Open Minded,
http://www.geocities.com/openmindxx. A detailed debunking can also be read on sci.astro if you read the archives searching for 'Nancy Leider' planet-x'.

As you can tell I have following this for some years. Everytime I hear "planet X" I now think of Zetatalk and not Sitchin.

To add to this a bit. Nancy became so bad on sci.astro that a bunch of astronomers got together in order to make nancy look through a telescope and see hale-Bopp for herself. Details on http://www.laughton.com/paul/rfo/nancy/nancy.html

This apparently scared nancy so much she moved house to Wisconsin.

Classical Nancy:

Nancy explains how the Zetas convinced her to quit her job and move to Wisconsin :

..."But I'll tell you about a moaning/groaning begging-for-a-sign time when I was first deciding to make the moves I've done these past couple years. I'm getting up there, 60, not strong, not financially anything but on the edge, and my family (except for one person) is not supportive of what I do. So I wanted a SOLID SIGN from the Zetas before I burned bridges and moved to Wisco and all. "Give me a sign!!!""

"So, I had a visitation from Pumpkin heads (the big guys, see Zeta Types in Worlds) and they told me that when I went into my office I'd find the MUFON mags turned face down, not up as usual, and that would be my sign. So I went in, all excited, and they were face up. Got hysterical. Another visitation, and they said "this is why we don't give signs on demand! If they go wrong, or are perceived wrong, hysterics, etc." So I understood, not on demand. A week later I'm in a movie house, alone, trying to relax, and get the sense that a Zeta came in and sat beside me, and I'd find a candy wrapper in my pocket or some such. I was eating Star Bursts, glued shut cardboard box, welded plastic wrapper around individually wrapped pieces. You have to break your fingernails to get the candy, practially. So I'm eating along and get to the last piece. It's not individually wrapped in wax paper. Now, EVERY Star Burst is so wrapped, by machine, I have no doubt. So, I figured that was my sign, when I wasn't expecting it."

Oh my goodness, this sounds as the typical hysterics who really want to believe in the Doomsday scenario and hold on to everything they are hearing.

It is so easy to confuse yourself and "see" signs of extraterrestrial inteference as much as you like. This Nancy seems to delude herself pretty good. My, if you want, there's a sign everwhere.

What the hell is it with these Doomsday scenario's anyway? People seem to love these things.

I'm getting a little bit much fed up with all these people. There are even people who are building domes and that kind of shit to protect themselves from the coming Planet X/Nibiru.

Well, if it shows up and hits Earth, there is no cover. I still have to see it for myself.

People of Sciforums, I'd love to see your true opinion about the coming of Planet X/Nibiru. Show yourselfs please and explain exactly what you expect. I want to know who sincerely thinks this is going to happen as described in Thed's links.

(thanx Thed, it confirms my opinion there is a lot of BS floating on the internet.)

:bugeye:

Thanks, there is indeed a lot of flotsam and jetsam on the Net and this very much comes under flotsam.

To try and bring a balanced view I'd like to present the scientific evidence for Planet-X.

Back in 1983 the IRAS probe discovered an infra-red image that did not match a known optical source. This led NASA to make a press release that was published in the Washington Post. The release is widely distributed on the Web and can be read <a href="http://www.planet-x.150m.com/washpost.html"> here</a>. That article seems to form the basis on the modern version of what Planet-X is and is oft cited as proof of it's existence. But, in the 20 years since then the data has been properly analysed and any anomalies accounted for. The IRAS team got so fed up with fielding questions on the article that they put up <a href="http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/no_tenth_planet_yet.html">this page debunking the evidece</a>. In short, IRAS did not see a Solar System body and any one claiming NASA quoshed the evidence are deluding themselves, several papers where writen on these initial anomalies.

There is a chap called <a href="http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/matese.html">John J. Matese</a> who is looking at comet orbits and has proposed that a previously unknown large object may exist in the Oort cloud. <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0205/0205150.pdf">But this recent paper</a> argues that Dr. Matese is seeing a bias based on too small a sample and selection criteria. This is all good science with opposing views being aired and the data being analysed in depth. If there is something out there, it will be found.

One of the other major 'proofs' of the existence of Planet X is the anomalies in the orbits of Neptune and Jupiter. When the Voyager probes flew by these planets it enabled planetary scientists to acquire much better data on the masses and orbits of the planets. <a href="http://adsbit.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1993AJ....105.2000S"> this paper goes into depth on what they done</a>. End result is that there are no oustanding gravitational anomlies so no evidence for a Planet X there.

There are plenty of pages written by NASA and others stating there is no Planet-X. One of note is <a href="http://itss.raytheon.com/cafe/qadir/atenth.html">Dr. Odenwalds answers</a>. This is a well balanced overview of the evidence. As he says, there may indeed be a large object out beyond Pluto. If there is it will be phenomenally difficult to find as it would be way beyond Pluto.

So, science is open on this question and accepts that we just don't know yet if a tenth planet does exist. So that implies Sitchin's/Leider's planet X can exist then? Personally I would say not. Their claim is that Planet-X has a 3600 yr highly eccentric orbit highly inclined to the plane of the solar system. There's been enough surveys of the ecliptic that Planet X should be found so it must be in a highly inclined orbit way above the plane of solar system. <A href="http://www.geocities.com/openmindxx">I M Open Minded</a> addresses this specific point. A planet in such an orbit would exceed the escape velocity of the Sun and only ever make one pass through the solar system. So, if there is indeed a tenth planet it should be in a stable orbit, this means it has a greater than 3600 yr orbit, more like 360,000 years.

<h3>Conclusions</h3>

There is no Planet X as per the claims of Sitchin or Leider. There may well be a as yet undiscovered planet out there but it is unremarkable and in a distant orbit that never brings it past Earth.

heyya all
i am sorry to skim but i will come back and read properly.
my point i felt i had to add
was this!!!

there are several theories
and i think it is entirely possible of the planet X theory as a
pole shifting effect

however

it is fair to say that the USA is soo predisposed with starwars
weapons that something may be coming up!

is planet X a planetoid wich is containing some form of invasionary force?

are we already at war with another planet???

the truth is usualy a mix of the accumulated observations and fantasy theory!

yo "Q" ... are you raising a question or a platform?

groove on all :)

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
there are several theories (regarding Planet-X)

All demonstrably false.

and i think it is entirely possible of the planet X theory as a pole shifting effect

How so? Where's the evidence.

however
it is fair to say that the USA is soo predisposed with starwars
weapons that something may be coming up!

The US is not the only country with telescopes. Amateurs can do today what professionals dreamt of 30 years ago and there's a lot of amateurs.

is planet X a planetoid wich is containing some form of invasionary force?

Was the Hale-Bopp companion real?

are we already at war with another planet???

No.

the truth is usualy a mix of the accumulated observations and fantasy theory!

Oxymoronic statement.

yo "Q" ... are you raising a question or a platform?

No, just the level of rationale and reason.

hey all
"Q" ok :) ... please try and dazzle the readers so some may be enlightened and i can try and tell someone that they are wrong :D
(cheeky)

yo... thed
hi :)
ok so the extinction of the dinasoaurs and all those big animals was...???
Darwin theory at its' infancy?

"telescopes"
????????????
@-@
\vvv/
dude! ... nice try! ......... too obviouse!!!
you need to learn who the sciforums people are before you go round trying that on cos itl only shorten your play time!!!


hail bop ???? just when i thought you went too far
you make me gasp!!!
:rolleyes:
still i should commend you on not including the word
"SUICIDE CULT"

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WE ARE "NOT" AT WAR WITH ANOTHER PLANET???
:D
feel free to expand on that one :D

"Oxymoronic statement."
such is the egocentrism of brainwashed humans!!!

groove on all :)
peace...love..and missery to all greedmerchants!

I'm replying to the planet-X post in which people state that a planet will crash into the earth.

I have heard in the news that a large meteor is headed on a collision with the earth, but this collision is not expected to occur until a 100 to several 100 years have passed.

Now, i'm not sure if this information is true, but this is what i have heard.

Thank you for your time.

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
yo... thed
ok so the extinction of the dinasoaurs and all those big animals was...???

About 65 Million Years ago at the time of the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary. Some people believe that a largish meteor hit us, probably in the vicinity of Chicxulub off the coast of Mexico. A lot of paleaontologists argue that the Dinsosaurs where going extinct anyway due to changing global weather patterns. The meteor did not kill them. Do you wish to know a little more science, I'll be happy to answer any questions as best I can. I'm not an evolutionary biologist though.

While we are talking extinction level events, what of the Pre-Cambrian event? No evidence for a meteor there.

But anyway, so you have two extinction events seperated by millions of years. Sitchins and others claim Planet X has a 3600 yr orbit. Who does the Cretaceous / Tertiary event support the claim? 65,000,000 != 3600.

hail bop ???? just when i thought you went too far
you make me gasp!!!

Went too far? What are you talking about?

still i should commend you on not including the word
"SUICIDE CULT"

http://www.kook-watch.net/nancy

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WE ARE "NOT" AT WAR WITH ANOTHER PLANET???
:D
feel free to expand on that one :D

Looks around for evidence of highly advanced, alien war machines taking over the world and battling our military. Sees nothing, moves on.

Such is the egocentrism of brainwashed humans!!!

I can see the <fnords></fnords> hidden things, can you?

heyya all

yo thed...
funny site! :D

but ive missed your point!

please expand?
are you saying thier has never been a great war on this planet?
resulting in the craters?

or are you saying 1 + 1 mostly = 2
im confused on your direction
please remeber i am mostly human so my understanding is
... mostly flawed (to err is human)

:D

groove on all :)

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
heyya all
yo thed...
funny site! :D
but ive missed your point!

You seem to be chastising me, and others, by bringing up doomsday cults. So I pointed you to a funny site. Nancy Leoder is the leading propent of Planet X returning next year, she appears to run a doomsday cult.

please expand?

I'm quite large enough already, thanks. Must cut down on the beer/pasta and cheese.

are you saying thier has never been a great war on this planet?

There have been Great Wars between Humans, yes. The last one was World War II.

resulting in the craters?

Coupled with your previous statements you seem to be implying these craters are the result of extraterrestial life using advanced weapons? In which case I would say no, they are not.

or are you saying 1 + 1 mostly = 2

Sorry, I really don't see what you mean by that.

im confused on your direction
please remeber i am mostly human so my understanding is
... mostly flawed (to err is human)

May be if you stated plainly what it is you mean rather than obliquely alluding to something vaque we might get somewhere.
[/QUOTE]

Why is Nibiru referred to as the 12th planet?

Why is nibiru refered to as the 12th planet?

Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Nibiru

(I know, it's pretty messed up... the sun and moon aren't planets but that's just how it goes)

Originally posted by polyarch


Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Nibiru

(I know, it's pretty messed up... the sun and moon aren't planets but that's just how it goes)

Nor is Nibiru.

For those who want the truth on Planet X, here is solid PROOF of it's existence...

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html

isn't that just the opposite?

Originally posted by Deepuz


Nor is Nibiru.

Well, it was a reference in the context of those who refer to Nibiru as the 12th planet. The sun and moon are definitely NOT planets, but there is at least the chance that Nibiru is, if it ever gets discovered. I, however, do not believe that there is a Planet X and wonder why astronomers would not speak of such an entity. I know astronomers and they are very open people. They can definitely never keep a secret (well, astronomically related).

Like in anything else, you have your most extreme hystericals. Every belief system has this, from religions to the scientific, from the liberal to the conservative, from the Pave the Earth and total anti-naturalist people to Greenpeace and PETA. Every point of view has it's extremists.

James McCanney speaks with Lou Gentile on PX

http://kotabatu.net

If you would like to see an objective analysis of "Planet X" go to site: WWW.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/plantx/index.html

If Planet X does come I think I will be a bit safer now, as I have recently moved to an area that has a mountain range nearby. With the highest peak being over 800 metres high I think I should be safe from those predicted tidal waves - at least I hope I will be!. :D

What is this planet x thing?? WWW.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/plantx/index.html <----this link doesnt work. :(



I have just found some more info on this planet. I can remember hearing about it years ago. Im sure it is true and i think it has been named humphry(/ie?) (i am being serious here!!!). It is a 10th planet and im sure it does actually exist. But i dont know anything about it hitting earth or anything. :confused:

I did read Zacharia Sitchin's book a few years ago and i thought he referred to Planet X's location "near Orion"?

If someone has the book, or know more, could you let me know as i do not have the book at the moment.

There is certainly a big red lump up there from where i am looking in Norway tonight just north of the Orion belt. I don't remember the same star/body to be red at all in previous years (i gaze a lot) (no, it is not Aldebaran)

Just for the record:

Planet X will NOT crash into the earth. Niburu will however come close enough that it will cause some natural disasters due to the magnetic pull from Niburu, which if the description is correct (large red body) is most likely made up of Iron, which is very magnetic. If this again causes a pole shift, god knows, but a fact is that the magnetic pole today and the real north pole is waaay off which could mean that the Earth could do something to correct it soon (thousands of years). Niburu however, if coming at all might speed this up.

Remove all sea water from the Earth, and you'll find a pretty nice bump right in the pacific telling you that the Earth isn't very round.

The dates said here are worthless. I am instead trying to use several sources like the mayans, ancient egyptians, the "Nordics", Nepaleese munks, the Mu, Atlantis, The bible, the Koran, Nostradamus, geological data and whatever that i can dig up (except for shady "Made with Frontpage 3.0" sites with lots of ugly animated gifs.

I am positive if that if this thing is real, there has to be a mentioning of this body in several ancient sources.

Remove all sea water from the Earth, and you'll find a pretty nice bump right in the pacific telling you that the Earth isn't very round Yes!????? :p lol is this bump iron or something?

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html

the cosmic code and genesis revisited i believe are the two books where Niburu is mentioned ( Zecharia Sitchin)
there is another book "we are the nuburians" by jelila star

some say that niburu is more than a planet...i read that it is a battlestar of some sort ( this is just what i read folks)

also, back last year sometime i remember reading a tabloid that said that astronomers had detected a planet that is headed towards earth. they said that it was too far out and they didn't know much about it.
(shrugs)

Originally posted by Quasar308
some say that niburu is more than a planet...i read that it is a battlestar of some sort ( this is just what i read folks)

You mean the habitat of Enki and his people? Or some other such?

yes, what i read was that pertaining to the offspring of Enki

Wow, well what do you know, I made a few breif and uneventfull little posts on this board something like 2 years ago, while I was bored, and my account is still here, and more than that I remember the password, how cool! Anyway on to the matter at hand!

Anyway, all this silly Planet X stuff reminded me of something I read on badastronomy.com . . . probably because it was a page about Planet X, heh, anyway, just thought I'd post the link, sorry if someone else has already bought this up, I don't have the attention span to sit and read through all of this sillyness :p I like the rediculous claims that are only argued out for about one page much better, less tedious (Just a suggestion to the wackos out there, keep it short, it's what your fans want).

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html

Heh, oh, and a freind of mine sitting next to me right now has some reprisals for you non-beleivers of Planet X, he says:

"How dare people say this isnt real. When did we loose our faith in our fellow man? I mean if you cant trust overweight shutins who channel aliens to give you accurate info who can you trust?"

haha, so take that, how dare you be so skeptical, what if it turns out that the 2nd comming of Jesus is a deranged shut in? hmm? We're all going to feel pretty stupid about not listening to them when that happens!

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
http://www.sciforums.com/t6991/s/thread.html

I kind of mentioned this before... It's the Deathstar come to reak it's terror....

RUN Q!! RUN!!!

Seriously.... I think this page and others somehow need to be combined.

LOL Stryder, this is reminiscent of Skylab's approach. I'll have to ask around and see if there may be leftover hard hats from a past Skylab party just in case the Deathstar gets caught in Earth's gravitational field. :D

heyya all :) :m:
it is nice to see there are some people still discussing stuff that others say we should not talk about! ...

just ask yourself this question!
"what is it that makes me believe one person on tv rather than another person on video???"
drugs?
religion?
peer presure to be a stupid moron?
because the person whos pants i want to get-in-to thinks that?
because my parents told me?

gees people ...
we are in the age of communication!!!
not communal cranial vacation !!!
-so one species is using us for food???
like we do to other species.
-another is trying to cross breed us to create the ultimate host.
while others watch on and see us eating each other because we want to stay fat.
funny that once you get into a certain wage bracket your clothes size goes up with every promotion.
well the most accurate thing that increases with wealth is actualy one thing that stands out but is un noticed by most...
is efficientcy/wastfulness/polution/
in short they seem to consume more per person than anyone and yet consequintly produce the least to show for it.

funny ol world

it is getting more in-humane to be human...
make a change... cast off fear... repel greed,
respect a child like an individual

groove on all

peace light truth love
the path to that hold above

Well this Planet X topic had some real twists.
Under any event just from the simple jest of the topic, it is that any such Planet that is not clearly visable, to say Planet X , such a planet would or could exist in the relation between the sun and its closest neighboring suns, alpha centuri.
how this happens is that the field effect of our sun exstends some 1.5 lightyears, where its neighboring sun only 4.5 light years away has three suns, two in a binary motion with the third revoling around it, these two suns each have field effect simular to our sun, the combined field effect of the two binary suns dubbles there area of field effect, in addtion to this field effect, the third sun encompassing the two suns in binary, imposes its field effect in addtion to combined fiel effect of the binary suns. In general the binary suns would have a area of effect equal to 3 lightyears, with the addtion of coupling effect by the third sun the tabulates for a aera of effect equal to about 4.5 light years.
when looking at how the interaction of such would effect our solar system we can see that there a over lap of 1.5 light years
in general that means that alpha centuri effects what happens in one half of our solar system directly. this enough to account for the distrubances in the outter planets, as well some distrubances on the rest of the planets. when looking a differences in calculation one event that has failed to enter the arena of calculations is the event that planetary bodies are hollow and gased filled. current calculation are off in many variables, however the accuracy remains relatively constant as the event of gaseous planary cores remain simular in effect.
Given the event of intercations of the sun and its nieghbors, asteriods, and planetismals(minor planets) can travel from alpha centuri to our solar system, like wise human will have the ablity to travel to alpha centuri with some biological saftey due to the interacting effects of the sun. when disscussing the event of PLANET X this is the only resonable course, where in the planet may be the size of saturn or dense as the earth, where in it has gained mass and or size by collecting either hydrogen and helium or asteriods, or a combination of both, in its path from alpha centuri to our solar system, So then what could the possible orbital path be, one that is highly irregular, one that would act as a shared electron between two atoms. in this case as it is a planet its motion/planet would be one that would say starting from our solar system. leave ar solar system, traveling to the outter sun of the alpha centuri, the one rotating around the binary suns, then the planet would then travel to the binary sun where it would find a orbit around one of the binary suns, and possibly travel betwwen the two suns in a hand off every orbit, some times it would be trapped around one of the binary suns for two orbits,ect.. in such the hand off and several orbits trap could go on for quite some time, untill the two binary suns reached a certain point in relation to the sun the orbits around the both of them, when this time comes the the planet travels to the outter planet and begins to follow it around the two sun in binary, when the outter sun of aplha centuari reach a close point with our solar system the planet enters are solar system, and is traped here for some time untill the outter sun of alpha centuri swings back around in its orbit around the binary suns to our solar system again and picks up the planet.
As alpha centuri has several large gaseous planet in orbit around it suns, it can be any of the large ones, what is unknown is if there is a more dense earth like planet of smaller size than the big gas giants, which such a planet could be invisable in fact either one could be invisable as they would be traveling not in a orbit relative to a sun which would exspose there existance as it approaces our solar system. if we consider the size of one of the gaseous planets it would be several times the size of juptier(?).
the event of such a planet would through much in new lines of motion, one the asteriod belt would take on a new orbit that would in the saturn uranus area. the axis rotation or the planets would increase, and some may reverse, example mercury and venus would rotate on axis like earth and the other planets, the earth would have 12 hours instead of 24 hours ect...
as ther exist a gaseous planets in the aplha centuri orbits that becomes evidence when the interaction of the our sun is effected by alpha, it would be comlete evidence, (probale event under fact)
othee evidence would be the event of asteriod bombardment of the moon and other planets such as mercury, venus, earth, and mars, in which evidence of massive asteriod collsion is a record on apperance alone. such a event would be a circumstance of such a planet leaving our solar system, and the recline of the asteriod belt back to it s present location.
circumstances where asteriods bombard the earth during a magnetic pole reversal are due to a change in gravity on the earth, effecting the mediune of the solar system, however that does not change the event of such a planet leavung our system and causing a recline in the asteriod belt, mercury would hold evidence of that.
I find it very intersting this PLANET X , so I am going to do a calculation and figure the minium time for such a event and then we Can see how that outs up with the other religous and historical statments, and theroys.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

No need to worry about may 13 2003 , your planet X could be a brown dwarve that stays put in the Oort cloud, however it could stir asteroids towards our solar system from time to time, with a small probabillity of one of these pieces hitting earth.


I should worry about some asteroids coming some time later but I think I pass on this one. Oh and don't forget to include in your calculations the minor influence the etherdrift will have on the asteroids trajectoy....

Well i will be honest i did not go all the way through the calculation regarding planet X and the reason why is that under the present circumstances such a event would, if it were possible was on the order of 250,000 years minium. the other factor of events proved just as effective showing that are sloar system is geting farther and farther away from the triple system aplph centuria, makeing Bernards star closer in than alpha in 11,000 years. that alone i am sure will have profound effects. but in general this means that any planets or planet X will become more orbit relative to the sun they are orbiting, so then a planet X would be caught in a stationary orbit orbiting which ever one of the alpha three stars. under best circumstance that would have been Proxima C. The event that are sloar system is getting farther from alpha/Proxima C means that if such a planets orbit however excentric or ellptic is contracting to a constistant orbit around Proxima C.
At one time say minum 500,000 to 1,000,000 years ago our solar system may have been within range to cause for such a unstable orbit of a planet X around Proxima C, in which still the return cycle of the planet would have been minium 250,000 years.
So then if you count back 2,000,000 years there could have been such a event. the evidence in this would be a gaeous planet X orbitng Proxima C with a highly irregular orbit and at some distance from Proxima C ,This evidence would take a astromner with access to a telescope reseach center. I belive, I had read some information about a gaseous planet orbiting Proxmia C but it was lock in its orbit and very near the star itself, such a planet would not be a canidate. The element forces causeing for a unstable Planet X orbiting Proxima C is very strong evidence, what is needed is the locating of the planet. but even so it would not currently be heading for our solar system, and if had visted this solar system that was the last time that it will ever vist this solar system, it won't come again as it' orbit would now be Proxima centered. However asteriods could come at any time, about 1.5 light years away, but they two are getting more stable, settling down.
Given the gaining stablity of asteriods every 100 years or so, it is more likely that we would see the formation of a planet, from are outter asteriod belts, in fact it is going to happen no doubt about it!, what is interseting is that pluto and chiron are very new planets, mabe even less that 1,000 years old. a planet formation in the asteriod belt will form quickly. prehaps what all those ancient stories,religions,theorys are saying is that a new planet forms every 3,500 years, that would more likely fit the bill with the current motion of are solar system and its continueing gaining stablity.
As for the Planet X the minium time is 250,000 years.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Who named it planet X anyway? I'd be much more inclined to sign on to the agreement if the planet had a more compelling name.. I mean come on.. surely the inhabitants of planet "X" are more creative than that..

Don't jump on me now.. I'm not trying to complain but I'm not sure I'm ready to dump the whole Roman God name thing we have going here with our solar system! If planet "X" thinks it can just ride in here and upset the applecart I'm not happy one little bit!

The more I think about it.. the more I'm miffed. I don't believe I'm gonna like planet X very much!

Why is this thread still sticky? Does anyone even care about it anymore? It's annoying having it clutter up the top of the forum, let it sift down and get burriend in other posts, just like all the others once the fun has gone out of 'em.

Oh, and remember, kids, don't do :m: !!

Mystech

We're all waiting for May 2003 to roll around.

Should be a good fireworks display. :D

Can we just name it something besides "X"? I'll relent on the mythological pantheon, ok? Since it's such a bad ass planet maybe we could call it Xena, warrior planet? I just think the whole "planet X" thing is so vanilla..

I hate it when my views are so completely ignored and unaddressed that I feel like I'm not even contributing...

Then again....

Alright tadpole terror. how bout changeing the name to
"Asteriod X"
DWAYNE D.L.RABON

How about the planet formerly known as "X" or maybe the much more imposing "Destructo orb of doom" I think this works just as well.

Now we're talking!

Great, someone type that up and send it to the marketing department.

http://website.lineone.net/~brian_gillbanks/zetatalk.htm

A planet X believer explains why it's all a big hoax and lie. The truth is out.

Heh, well technically the truth has been out the whole time, it's not as if there is anyone of consequence who actually believed any of this stuff, and any rational thinker could see it for the diluted fantasy that it is.

Anyone know if the Planet Xers have jumped on the newly discovered red dwarf in our local group? I'm sure they're reaching for any evidence they can find...

Then again, maybe they don't want to look too hard, in case they have to admit the truth.

What will happen to Nancy Lieder when Planet X doesn't arrives? She may "disappear" like Jimmy Hoffa, when those survivalists realize that they blew their life savings on a shelter, for nothing.:m:

She'll probably never be heard from again, and live out the rest of her pathetic and miserable life as the mental deficient that she has always been.

What happened to that (Q) guy who started this thread in 1995?
Think he found somethin out he wasnt supposed to and kinda "dissapeard" ????

Um I find that pretty unlikely.

He probably just got bored with the place, I mean think about it, who sticks around one bulliten board, let alone one thread, for nearly a decade? not much precident for it.

I'm surprised that the thread has lasted this long.

I think that we should keep this up until say july, and if nothing hapens by then then take it down.

Not true, my short peckered friends. We are waiting for the May 2003 appearance of Planet X.

If it appears the sticky will disappear, along with the rest of us.

If not, I think Banshee will remove it.

Not true, my short peckered friends.
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could the planet X your all talking about be the centaur class planet chiron? just think , chiron is still being debated over whether its a planet or what to call it, one way or another, Chiron is bigger than pluto, but it doesnt have a regular orbit from what i understand so they claim its not a planet, however what if it does have a regular orbit but it is just an orbit with many irregularities

In 1976 Zecharia Sitchin wrote The Twelfth Planet also known as - Planet 'X' or Nibiru.
Nibiru, unlike the other planets in our solar system, supposedly has an elliptical orbit and moves clockwise rather than counterclockwise.
Nibiru's orbit passes through our solar system only once every 3,600 years, which is equal to one Nibiruan year.
The Nibiruan myth speaks of alien gods returning for gold. Gold is a metaphor for alchemy - a transition from third dimensional thinking to higher frequency awareness.
Nibiru is the home of the Anunnaki - the Nephilim - the Elohim - the Gods - the Giants of the Bible - Those Who From Heaven To Earth Came.

http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html

- Earth Chronicles

450,000 years ago on Nibiru, a distant member of our solar system, life faced slow extinction as the planet's atmosphere erodes. Deposed by Anu, the ruler Alalu escapes in a spaceship and finds refuge on Earth. He discovers that Earth has gold that can be used to protect Nibiru's atmosphere.

445,000 years ago - Led by Enki, a son of Anu, the Anunnaki land on Earth, establish Eridu -Earth Station I - for extracting gold from the waters of the Persian Gulf.

430,000 years ago - Earth's climate mellows. More Anunnaki arrive on Earth, among them Enki's half-sister Ninhursag, Chief Medical Officer.

416,000 years ago - As gold production falters, Anu arrives on Earth with Enlil, the heir apparent. It is decided to obtain the vital gold by mining it in southern Africa. Drawing lots, Enlil wins command of Earth Mission; Enki is relegated to Africa. On departing Earth, Anu is challenged by Alalu's grandson.

400,000 years ago - Seven functional settlements in southern Mesopotamia include a Spaceport (Sippar), Mission Control Center (Nippur), a metallurgical center (Shuruppak). The ores arrive by ships from Africa; the refined metal is sent aloft to orbiters manned by Igigi, then transferred to spaceships arriving periodically from Nibiru.

380,000 years ago - Gaining the support of the Igigi, Alalu's grandson attempts to seize mastery over Earth. The Enlilites win the War of the Olden Gods.

300,000 years ago - The Anunnaki toiling in the gold mines mutiny. Enki and Ninhursag create Primitive Workers through genetic manipulation of Ape woman; they take over the manual chores of the Anunnaki. Enlil raids the mines, brings the Primitive Workers to the Edin in Mesopotamia. Given the ability to procreate, Homo Sapiens begins to multiply.

200,000 years ago - Life on Earth regresses during a new glacial period.

100,000 years ago - Climate warms again. The Anunnaki (the biblical Nephilim), to Enlil's growing annoyance marry the daughters of Man.

75,000 years ago - A new Ice Age-begins. Regressive types of Man roam the Earth . Cro-Magnon man survives.

49,000 years ago - Enki and Ninhursag elevate humans of Anunnaki parentage to rule in Shuruppak. Enlil, enraged. plots Mankind's demise.

13,000 years ago - Realizing that the passage of Nibiru in Earth's proximity will trigger an immense tidal wave, Enlil makes the Anunnaki swear to keep the impending calamity a secret from Mankind.


Events After the Deluge
11,000 years ago - Enki breaks the oath, instructs Ziusudra/Noah to build a submersible ship. The Deluge sweeps over the Earth; the Anunnaki witness the total destruction from their orbiting spacecraft.

Enlil agrees to grant the remnants of Mankind implements and seeds; agriculture begins in the highlands. Enki domesticates animals.

10,500 years ago - The descendants of Noah are allotted three regions. Ninurta, Enlil's foremost son, dams the mountains and drains the rivers to make Mesopotamia habitable; Enki reclaims the Nile valley. The Sinai peninsula is retained by the Anunnaki for a post-Diluvial spaceport; a control center is established on Mount Moriah (the future Jerusalem).

9780 years ago - Ra/Marduk, Enki's firstborn son, divides dominion over Egypt between Osiris and Seth.

9330 years ago - Seth seizes and dismembers Osiris, assumes sole rule over the Nile Valley.

8970 years ago - Horus avenges his father Osiris by launching the First Pyramid War. Seth escapes to Asia, seizes the Sinai peninsula and Canaan.

8670 years ago - Opposed to the resulting control of all the space facilities by Enki's descendants, the Enlilites launch the Second Pyramid War. The victorious Ninurta empties the Great Pyramid of its equipment.

8600 years ago - Ninhursag, half-sister of Enki and Enlil, convenes peace conference. The division of Earth is reaffirmed. Rule over Egypt transferred from the Ra/Marduk dynasty to that of Thoth. Heliopolis built as a substitute Beacon City.

8500 years ago - The Anunnaki establish outposts at the gateway to the space facilities; Jericho is one of them.

7400 As the era of peace continues, the Anunnaki grant Mankind new advances; the Neolithic period begins. Demigods rule over Egypt.

3800 years ago - Urban civilization begins in Sumer as the Anunnaki re-establish there the Olden Cities, beginning with Eridu and Nippur.

3700 years ago - Anu comes to Earth for a pageant. A new city, Uruk (Erech), is built in his honor; he makes its temple the abode of his beloved granddaughter Inanna/lshtar.


Kingship on Earth
3760 years ago - Mankind granted kingship. Kish is first capital under the aegis of Ninurta. The calendar begun at Nippur. Civilization blossoms out in Sumer (the First Region).

3450 years ago - Primacy in Sumer transferred to Nannar/Sin. Marduk proclaims Babylon "Gateway of the Gods." The "Tower of Babel" incident. The Anunnaki confuses Mankind's languages. His coup frustrated, Marduk/Ra returns to Egypt, deposes Thoth, seizes his younger brother Dummies who had betrothed Inanna. Dummies accidentally killed; Marduk imprisoned alive in the Great Pyramid. Freed through an emergency shaft, he goes into exile.

3100 years ago - 350 years of chaos end with installation of first Egyptian Pharaoh in Memphis.Civilization comes to the Second Region.

2900 years ago - Kingship in Sumer transferred to Erech. Inanna given dominion over the Third Region; the Incus Valley Civilization begins.

2650 years ago - Sumer's royal capital shifts about. Kingship deteriorates. Enlil loses patience with the unruly human multitudes.

2371 years ago - Inanna falls in love with Sharru-Kin (Jargon). He establishes new capital city. Agate (Aka). Akkadian empire launched.

2316 years ago - Aiming to rule the four regions, Jargon removes sacred soil from Babylon. The Marduk-Inanna conflict flares up again. It ends when Nergal, Marduk's brother, journeys from south Africa to Babylon and persuades Marduk to leave Mesopotamia.

2291 years ago - Naram-Sin ascends the throne of Aka. Directed by the warlike Inanna, he penetrates the Sinai peninsula, invades Egypt.

2255 years ago - Inanna usurps the power in Mesopotamia; Naram-Sin defies Nippur. The Great Anunnaki obliterate Agate. Inanna escapes. Sumer and Aka occupied by foreign troops loyal to Enlil and Ninurta.

2220 years ago - Sumerian civilization rises to new heights under enlightened rulers of Lagash. Thoth helps its king Gudea build a ziggurat-temple for Ninurta.

2193 years ago - Terah, Abraham's father, born in Nippur into a priestly-royal family.

2180 years ago - Egypt divided; followers of Ra/Marduk retain the south; Pharaohs opposed to him gain the throne of lower Egypt.

2130 years ago - As Enlil and Ninurta are increasingly away, central authority also deteriorates in Mesopotamia. Inanna's attempts to regain the kingship for Erech does not last.


The Fateful Century
2123 B.C - Abraham born in Nippur.

2113 B.C -Enlil entrusts the Lands of Shem to Nannar; Ur declared capital of new empire. Ur- Nammmu ascends throne, is named Protector of Nippur. A Nippurian priest-Terah, Abraham's father - comes to Ur to liaison with its royal court.

2096 B.C -Ur-Nammu dies in battle. The people consider his untimely death a betrayal by Anu and Enlil. Terah departs with his family for Harran.

2095 B.C -Shulgi ascends the throne of Ur, strengthens imperial ties. As empire thrives, Shulgi falls under charms of Inanna, becomes her lover. Grants Larsa to Elamites in exchange for serving as his Foreign Legion.

2080 B.C -Theban princes loyal to Ra/Marduk press northward under Mentuhotep I. Nabu, Marduk's son, gains adherents for his father in Western Asia.

2055 B.C -On Nannar's orders, Shulgi sends Elamite troops to suppress unrest in Canaanite cities. Elamites reach the gateway to the Sinai peninsula and its Spaceport.

2048B.C - Shulgi dies. Marduk moves to the Land of the Hittites. Abraham ordered to southern Canaan with an elite corps of cavalrymen.

2047 B.C -Amar-Sin (the biblical Amraphel) becomes king of Ur. Abraham goes to Egypt, stays five years, then returns with more troops.

2041 B.C -Guided by Inanna, Amar-Sin forms a coalition of Kings of the East, launches military expedition to Canaan and the Sinai. Its leader is the Elamite Khedor-la'omer. Abraham blocks the advance at the gateway to the Spaceport.

2038 B.C -Shu-Sin replaces Amar-Sin on throne of Ur as the empire disintegrates.

2029 B.C -Ibbi-Sin replaces Shu-Sin. The western provinces increasingly to Marduk.

2024 B.C -Leading his followers, Marduk marches on Sumer, enthrones himself in Babylon. Fighting spreads to central Mesopotamia. Nippur's Holy of Holies is defiled. Enlil demands punishment for Marduk and Nabu; Enki opposes, but his son Nergal sides with Enlil. As Nabu marshals his Canaanite followers to capture the Spaceport, the Great Anunnaki approve of the use of nuclear weapons. Nergal and Ninurta destroy the Spaceport and the errant Canaanite cities.

2023 B.C -The winds carry the radioactive cloud to Sumer. People die a terrible death, animals perish, the water is poisoned, the soil becomes barren. Sumer and its great civilization lie prostrate. Its legacy passes to Abraham's seed as he begets -at age 100- a legitimate heir: Isaac.


Anyone here into 11:11 Gateway? It opened sometime Jan. in early 90's It closes dec 31. 2011.... right before 2012... and also the Mayans predicted that time will come to an end in 2012... LOL! And many other prophecies are linked to 2012. It might not be the way you might think of the end of time.

OH yea, I met Inanna/Ishtar LOL!!! Serious. She spoke to me in a language no one ever heard of. It sounded like chanting LOL! but she spoke of some kind of destruction.

Nibiru is the home of the Anunnaki - the Nephilim - the Elohim - the Gods - the Giants of the Bible - Those Who From Heaven To Earth Came.

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You have a lot of different terms here you're claiming are the same thing.
The Anakim, the Children of Anak...are the desendants of Ham, one of Noah's three sons.
He brought the "Giant Gene" over on the ark.
It started when an animal, the Serpent....larger than man, the missing link seduced Eve in the Garden creating a Half animal, half man creature known as Cain, the serpents seed.
The Anakim, the Nephilim, the Horims, the Emims, the Zamzummims, the Avims, and others were the races of the Giants in Hebron after the flood.
They were not god's except for their sheer size and great strength. These are who the children of Isreal had to conqeur to enter the promised land. The last of the Anakim were killed by David and His band of "mighty men" about 1000 B.C.

The Elohim, well that may be another mater.........this depends on what your looking at.
Elohim is God, and His attributes - His children are "the Sons of God"
Man was created a physical body for the Sons of God. A vessel of honor to be filled with God. Adam had eternal life for He was of his father God, and would have had immortal life, if he had not fell. The Sons of God.......Elohim's attributes, are the true children that would have come by the spoken word the same as Adam, had Adam not fell.
Jesus said: You called them "gods" whom the word of God came to, and they were.

The Sons of Men.......Serpent seed, Cains children , Giants like the Anakim, and the Nephilim........Are a Hybrid species, Half man, half serpent ( it was 10 feet tall)......Goliath was 9 ft. 3". Do the Math.
Jesus called them "Vipers, offspring of the Serpent.

They mixed again before the flood, and when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. After the last of the Giants were killed, the physical linage ended. But because of the mixture, there are three kinds now in every group...believers, make-believers and un-believers.

Thats the difference today.....the Word of God is revealed to one and not to the others. The physical difference is long gone.
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There were no Aliens, other than God and a few angels, if you want to count them.

hehhehehe
I'm claiming are the same thing?...
Is that what is says?
I just thought it would be interesting to see what yall think of it all.
Heh I barely have any idea of all of this .. ONly thing I recognize is the adam and eve part !!! LOL!
Where you get all that from the bible?
heh Havent read it. So when was the bible first written? Was it before the timelines I posted?

Only thing I know is that I've met Inanna/Ishtar
And shes over 3700 years old!! LOL!
You can think me crazy or whatever but its all good.

Where did I get my info?...


The Anakim are mentioned many places in the bible - also look for the term "the children of anak".
From the Hebrew Lexicon : The name Arba = Fourth, He was the father of anak, the greatest of the giants (post flood), The Anakim ('anna -'keem)-
"The Anakim" are mentioned ten times, Duet 1:28, 2:10, 2:11, 2:21, 9:2, Jos. 11:21, 11:22, 14:12, 14:15, and Joshua 47:5.

They were however, not the only race of giants that existed after the flood. Besides the Anakim there were the Nephilim, the Horims, the Emims, the Zamzummims, the Avims and others.
There were nearly a dozen different races of giants during the time of Israels captivity in Egypt, but by the time they left wandering the wilderness and aproached crossing the river Jordan, only a few remained, one of which was the Anakim.
The rest had already been destroyed by Israel's distant cousins - the children of Esau.

This is only a partial record of the races of giants existing after the flood. They were a throwback, decending from the giants that existed before the flood through a resessive gene, that existed in one of Noah's three sons - Ham.


The O.T.(Old Testement) says of the pre-flood earth - "And there where giants in the earth in those days", if Noah and his three sons and their wives were the only ones saved , how did giants reappear after the flood. - Ham was the one who showed no respect for family or traditions when he told his brothers of his fathers nakedness.(read the story).
Cain showed wrath and even anger towards God to his face, "Am I my brothers Keeper?" Lied to his face. Look at these scriptures as clues - "Cain was of his father the wicked one", "Ye generation of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come"(John the Baptist), "As the serpent beguiled Eve, I fear the church will be led astray"(Paul), "The way of an adulterous woman is this, she eateth, and wipeth her mouth and saith "I have done nothing"(Solomon)...Here you can see that eating (forbidden friut) is tied to adultry,...

There are many mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, which Jesus said are" hidden from the eyes of the wise and prudent , but revealed to babes such as are willing to learn....One of these which is crucial to understanding God, and his purpose with mankind is the mystery of "The Serpents Seed"


The closest race of animal to "Man" was the "Serpent". The "Serpent" was a large creature, ten feet tall, walked upright, and talked. Called in the bible "more subtile than any beast of the field. First of all, the Serpent was not always a snake. It walked, talked to Eve, and was very inteligent.

After the fall, look at how God chose to curse them...Adam for his good the ground was cursed, that he would have to work by the sweat of his brow, Eve was cursed were she sinned, in childbearing, not in her mouth as if she'd eaten an apple, as some say. And the Serpent,every bone in his body was changed, and was told "on your belly you shall go"...thats why there's a missing link between man and ape today, it was the serpent.

The serpent was with Eve in the afternoon, and Eve was with Adam that evening...it happens today if there are two furtile eggs present. There were twins Cain, of the serpent, and Abel of Adam...
To see the nature of the beast, look back to see the twins at work through-out history....Cain and Abel, Moses and Balaam, Jesus and Judas - The Son of God and the Son of Perdition.

http://www.nathan.co.za/message.asp?sermonum=1108
http://www.nathan.co.za/message.asp?sermonum=1087

The beast in the beginning, is the beast in the end.

LOl tenth planet? LOl I thought this is about the 12 th planet!
So what does looking up on Nibiru and the bible suppose to you?

In Sumerian texts and diagrams they counted the sun and the moon as planets.....so this last one would make twelve.....

If you check history, it's posible the number twelve is also the number of fingers the inhabitants of the land at that time had, and thats the reason for ancient mathematical systems based on twelve.

They seemed to be very attached to that number....
Everything on earth at one time was numbered by twelves.,
Months, hours, inches, blocks, dozen, the Zodiac, ect..

That people and culture were entirely wiped out by an army of God, led by Joshua 3600 years ago which involved the stoping of the sun and moon for 24 hours (perhaps the earths rotation stoped)......It was so important to them to wipe out every trace of their existance. Every man, woman and child were to be anialated.

We humans today have ten fingers, but look at this:

2 Samuel 21:20 - And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

That the man's unusual features were the result of a genetic misfire.

:m: Peace.

This thread is edited.

Its purpose is to see whether the notorious Planet X actually will show up in May 2003. Info on this can be posted in this thread.

Posts without content and solely consisting of chit chat and the like are deleted. As are the last posts about Sitchin.

Talk on Sitchin and other thought provoking posts in which the story of Enki and his peoples will be discussed, can be made in this thread.:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7939&perpage=20&pagenumber=7

Understood.

I hear there are supposed to be siesimic activity, and drought.

Does anyone have this kind of info.

As for the drought take into consideration we are currently at/near the peak of the 22 year Solar flare/sunspot activity cycle.

This does make the sun hoter. Peak years were 1936 (dust bowl), 1958, 1980 (most days above 100 F.) and 2002.

I doubt our extremely gullible friend will be swayed by anything like hard evidence but read this,

http://www.geocities.com/yotango/px-april3.html

So your saying you looked, even with infra-red and nothings out there..?

That is not my website but the results from an amateur posting to sci.astro. And yes, people have looked, a lot recently. Nothing has been found where PX is claimed to be.

I've posted links to several sites providing clear evidence, like photographs and CCD images, further back in the thread. Have a look and see.

The 'believers' in this whole "Planet-X is going to destroy us in May 2003" thing even resulted to, shall we say hoaxes, to con people. They pointed to noise in raw data as Planet-X, they pointed to a ghost image of M31 as evidence and then claimed NASA disinfo specialists done it.

For the gory details, more than you could possibly know, read it yourself (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&group=sci.astro) or search the usenet archives.

I've only been following this PX thing for about a year now but I have come to a conclusion on the subject. There is no Planet X and in my opinion Nancy L. is a liar.
If PX were going to cause a pole shift and wipe out most of the population why on earth would Nancy L. be renting out a property she owns for summer oucupation? Why was May 15th the drop dead date and now as late as 4/24/03 nancy stated that it is now between May 15th and June 1st?
Nancy L. stated that by mid to late April PX would be visable in the day time. She made this statement not as a "maybe or could be" but stated it with all certainty that it would be visable during the day. You can hear her say this herself by going to www.lougentile.com and going to the archived show for 2/28/03.
She has denied making this statement even though the archive exsists.
Lastly...Why can't I see it? I know where to look for PX if it were coming...I have been in both the northern and southern hemispheres in the last week and have not seen it in the day or the night sky. According to her I should be able to.
The thing I'm really looking foward to now is how she will continue to perpetuate this hoax when PX never comes.

you needed a year to come to this conclusion?!......:rolleyes:

:p I'm hoping that maybe she'll just shut up and sort of dissapear and live out the rest of her wreched little life in silence. Hopefully other wackjobs will take the same course of action. . . or hell, maybe they'll even start to think before they open their mouths and spout crackpot prophecys of doom. . . but then that IS asking a lot, isn't it?

Reminder:

May 13 is fast approaching.

Is Planet X also fast approaching?

Well here I am, it's well into the 13th, now, and no planet X, no pole shift, who would have guessed, right?

*snicker* oh well, I guess now we can finally say that people claiming to channel aliens aren't a credable source of information, and are indeed candidates for severe mental illness. . . as if we couldn't tell that at any other point of history when at least one rational thinker existed anywhere in all the world.

05-13-03

Well Banshee, it looks like the prophesiers were wrong again, which should come as no surprise. Here it is the Day of Judgment and all appears normal – that is, if you can consider the state of world normal.

Perhaps they might want to choose another day for Armageddon instead? You may keep this declaration active if you wish, I’ll continue to abide to its contents.

I wonder what the proponents of Planet X have to say?

Hello? Are you still there?

Anyone?

Haha, wait, maybe we're looking at it wrong, Q, maybe planet X is like a metaphoric thing you know? And the whole pole shift is just symbolic, I'm sure, don't you feel that somehow on this day your world has been turned upside down by some mysterious body?

Hehe, in all seriousness, I think it'd be fun to hear some backpeddeling right about now, come on planet X people, where are you!

Im sure the answer lies in the fact that Lieder was having trouble converting the calender dates the aliens were channeling over to her into our primitive flawed error prone calander, which was probably developed by some astronomer or scientist or something, and you KNOW what they are good for, they cant even see planet X despite the fact that its got to be out there... otherwise WHERE ARE THE ALIEN MESSAGES IN THAT LADYS BRAIN COMING FROM?

anyone want to run with this?

Hey! I'm still alive! The world hasn't ended, yet again!

Perhaps I shouldn't speak too soon...still three hours left to the day....

Does "Planet X" exist? (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=95)

Haha, well Planet X is a little late at the moment, kind of a bumer isn't it? Too bad all those Planet X supporters seem to have dissapeared, anyone care to hypothesize about where they have went? Maybe Planet X passed silently by our earth, and the advanced aliens took them all. Honestly it'd be nice to be rid of all those crazies, I bet we aren't that lucky, though, the'll emerge pretty soon with some new crackpot theory, I'm sure.

Well, if anyone wants to hear Nancy's comments on why Planet X is a no-show listen to http://www.darkinsight.com/darkinsight.com.audio/Nancy_C2C_14May03_planetxdebate.mp3

It also includes a debate with Phil Plait, the Bad Astronomer. not heard it myself yet but apparently its hilarious. Basically, the dates put off until June and Nancy may be mis-understanding what she is 'channeling', ompletely making it up more likely and trying to find an 'out' as fast as possible.

Apparently some people have sold up, given up jobs and moved based on her 'prophecy', they may think about suing when nothing happens.

Does anybody know when the next end-of-the-world disaster is supposed to happen?

Haha I don't think that they will be able to sue her. Looks like the courts will have to decide which is more stupid, the fool, or the fool who follows her :p