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wet1
02-11-02, 02:52 PM
http://www.sundaytelegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2002/02/10/wnasa10big.gif

Mysterious force holds back Nasa probe in deep space
By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent
(Filed: 10/02/2002)
http://www.sundaytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F02%2F10%2Fwnasa10. xml
A SPACE probe launched 30 years ago has come under the influence of a force that has baffled scientists and could rewrite the laws of physics.
Researchers say Pioneer 10, which took the first close-up pictures of Jupiter before leaving our solar system in 1983, is being pulled back to the sun by an unknown force. The effect shows no sign of getting weaker as the spacecraft travels deeper into space, and scientists are considering the possibility that the probe has revealed a new force of nature.
Dr Philip Laing, a member of the research team tracking the craft, said: "We have examined every mechanism and theory we can think of and so far nothing works.
"If the effect is real, it will have a big impact on cosmology and spacecraft navigation," said Dr Laing, of the Aerospace Corporation of California.
Pioneer 10 was launched by Nasa on March 2 1972, and with Pioneer 11, its twin, revolutionised astronomy with detailed images of Jupiter and Saturn. In June 1983, Pioneer 10 passed Pluto, the most distant planet in our solar system.
Both probes are now travelling at 27,000mph towards stars that they will encounter several million years from now. Scientists are continuing to monitor signals from Pioneer 10, which is more than seven billion miles from Earth.
Research to be published shortly in The Physical Review, a leading physics journal, will show that the speed of the two probes is being changed by about 6 mph per century - a barely-perceptible effect about 10 billion times weaker than gravity.
Scientists initially suspected that gas escaping from tiny rocket motors aboard the probes, or heat leaking from their nuclear power plants might be responsible. Both have now been ruled out. The team says no current theories explain why the force stays constant: all the most plausible forces, from gravity to the effect of solar radiation, decrease rapidly with distance.
The bizarre behaviour has also eliminated the possibility that the two probes are being affected by the gravitational pull of unknown planets beyond the solar system.
Assertions by some scientists that the force is due to a quirk in the Pioneer probes have also been discounted by the discovery that the effect seems to be affecting Galileo and Ulysses, two other space probes still in the solar system. Data from these two probes suggests the force is of the same strength as that found for the Pioneers.
Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University, says even such a weak force could have huge effects on a cosmic scale. "It might alter the number of comets that come towards us over millions of years, which would have consequences for life on Earth. It also raises the question of whether we know enough about the law of gravity."
Until 1988, Pioneer 10 was the most remote object made by man - a distinction now held by Voyager 1. Should Pioneer 10 make contact with alien life, it carries a gold-plated aluminium plaque on which the figures of a man and woman are shown to scale, along with a map showing its origin that Nasa calls "the cosmic equivalent of a message in a bottle".

Chagur
02-13-02, 04:18 PM
No 'problem,' just the effect of the Quarantine Sphere.

Got to protect the rest of the universe, you know.

Take care ;)

Avatar
02-13-02, 05:03 PM
personally I think tht probes are affected by some big object like a planet (there is supposed to be a 10th plannet in the far reaches of solar system) or maybe a tiny undetected black hole. Of course I have no backup evidence for my theoryes which makes thm assumptions. However I do not think tht we need yet to rewrite the law of gravity.

Pollux V
02-13-02, 05:09 PM
Maybe it wants to come home.....?

Avatar
02-13-02, 05:14 PM
:Dnot likely Pollux V

maybe aliens reversed it to show them the way to us:D
don't mind, yust a silly idea in the middle of a night;)

BTW, good night, see ya all tomorrow!

ImaHamster2
02-13-02, 08:06 PM
Cool. This hamster infers that the new “gravity” force is centered on the sun and does not diminish with the inverse square of the radius. Or maybe it's ether “friction” that only affects manmade objects. Cosmic human-fly paper. Hehe.

SeekerOfTruth
02-13-02, 09:56 PM
Or maybe it's the equivelent of frictional force for objects moving through the non-existent aether....

I wonder if they have done a comparison of the mass of the planatary probes and if there is a correlation to mass or if all of the probes are experiencing the same force?

Mr. G
02-13-02, 10:11 PM
ImaHamster2:

...infers that the new "gravity" force is centered on the sun

Only because each of the spacecraft is moving away from the sun. The actual implication is that each of the spacecraft is subjected to the same "drag" even were they instead to be moving toward the sun.

Chagur:

the Quarantine Sphere.

Outsiders call it the Bozone. :D



Why are cosmic rays -- near light-speed atomic nuclei -- not observed to be subjected to the same "drag" (evidenced as a gradated distribution of cosmic ray velocities presumably proportional to the distance each has traveled from their respective points of origin)?


Is there in operation throughout space-time a "force" specifically affecting only spacecraft mass-ranged masses in preference to all other mass values outside such a range?

Is such a "force" masked -- overwhelmed -- by the momentums of larger masses? If the force operates according to mass, would not a larger mass be more affected by such a drag?

Could this "force" be operating over ranges of distance intermediate to Strong & Weak Nuclear and Electromagnetic and Gravitational forces?

A few thoughts.


SeekerofTruth:

...maybe it's the equivelent of frictional force...
...if there is a correlation to mass...

Having posted while I was composing, you now are well along the long road to rehabilitating your image in my eyes. Circumstantially. Whoa.

SeekerOfTruth
02-14-02, 09:04 AM
Does anyone know if this new 'force' has been noticed or detectable during the entire voyage or if it was only noticed after some threshold, either speed or distance?

I was thinking about the possible correlation to mass and I thought that if such a correlation existed, wouldn't it effect the asteroids in the belt or comets coming in from outside the system and wouldn't we be able to detect those changes to certain ateroid orbits or comet orbits due to this force? Or would they be masked by all of the dynamics of the belts and the solar system in general?

Another thought that occured to me was the possibility that cosmic rays or other exotic particls could be somehow interacting with the mass of the craft to introduce such a drag, but that would necessitate some type of directionality to the cosmic rays or particles which should be detectable.

By the way Mr. G., thanks for the compliment....I think:D

SeekerOfTruth
02-14-02, 09:49 AM
A couple of other thoughts just occurred to me. If this force is based upon speed, shouldn't we be able to detect it in a rotational body such as a very high-speed gyroscope? If the effect is masked by the gravitational force from a nearby body such as the earth, couldn't we just put up a satellite with a very high-speed gyroscope on it and measure the force's effect on the gyroscope at some distance from the earth?

If the force is the effects from either the strong or weak nuclear forces, what is reacting with the matter of the spacecraft? If it is some type of interaction with the matter in space, shouldn't the density of the matter in space have some measurable impact on the force?