Physics and Math is entirely the wrong name for this part of sciforums.

For the simple reason that very little to do with either subject is ever discussed here. Instead, it's a kind of bored game, where bored mods make arbitrary and completely pointless decisions about what "qualifies", or fits their individual paradigm.

It has very little to do with science, but does have a lot to do with personal opinion and restricting the field, to those ideas that "accommodate" their opinion. They will justify this tactic with all kinds of feeble shit, that they apparently think is some kind of logic. But there is no logic: logic does not exist.

So, to anyone who has come to this part of sciforums, DO NOT ATTEMPT to discuss anything that you haven't proved, in a thesis, or that you have a Ph.D. in; even if you do, be prepared for a lot of bullshit from self-interested parties at this forum. HANDLE WITH CARE.

Friend... any complaints like this should be directed towards the government. They will simply erase this.

Though.. i do agree with this:

''It has very little to do with science, but does have a lot to do with personal opinion ''

This is where you meant this yes?

''So Physics and Math shouldn't be "mixed up"...? That's kind of amusing, to say the least.

Physics involves "making" observations. Math involves imagining things. Like I said, you can imagine as many sets of numbers as you like, you cannot observe all information, just like you can't draw a continous pattern using continuous lines - at some scale, it won't be continuous, and it takes time to draw a line, or compute the location of some point on a surface.

This thread was "derived" from another one about the nature of time. It turned into an "argument", about continuity, and was about (I thought), what the physical world would appear like at small scales. IF we could see all the detail, then we would see a continous (complete, dense) pattern.

That got sidetracked to here.''

Frud

For the simple reason that very little to do with either subject is ever discussed here. Instead, it's a kind of bored game, where bored mods make arbitrary and completely pointless decisions about what "qualifies", or fits their individual paradigm.

Got any examples of such an arbitrary and pointless decision? Link?

So, to anyone who has come to this part of sciforums, DO NOT ATTEMPT to discuss anything that you haven't proved, in a thesis, or that you have a Ph.D. in; even if you do, be prepared for a lot of bullshit from self-interested parties at this forum. HANDLE WITH CARE.

Physics & Math is one of the parts of sciforums which is a scientific subforum. That means that if you post there you should expect your ideas to be reviewed and put to the test by some people who actually hold tertiary qualifications in physics and/or mathematics, as well as others who are knowledgable in those areas.

If you don't like the idea of the scientific peer review system, whereby ideas are held up to the light and subjected to rigorous testing to see whether they stand up, then probably posting in Physics & Math, or the other science sections of sciforums for that matter, is not for you. Try "Free Thoughts", or "Pseudoscience" instead.

''Got any examples of such an arbitrary and pointless decision? Link?''

Errr... speaking for him...

... how about a good third of what is posted around here against personal opinions.

...Physics and Math is entirely the wrong name for this part of sciforums....
It't demagogical connection, because the Math can describe just a very subtle part of Physics, explain the less. While it makes the understanding of some parts of reality easier, it just complicates the understanding of others.

This is because the human understanding isn't quite deterministic - it's based on the coincidence of the states of many neural units at the same moment. For most people isn't difficult to realize, how the turbulence in fluid or density fluctuations in gas emerge - while the math has a fundamental problem with description of such stochastic phenomena.

Even during solving of technological and engineering problems the formal math plays a surprisingly limited role: many situations are solved by indeterminisitics computer methods involving little or no math. The particle fluid simulations are the typical examples of real physics, where the formal math has very little to say to the result. Such simulations can model a surprisingly wide area of very general problems, so it's quite surprising, the teaching of formal math is so preferred in schools at the expense of modern simulation methods. By AWT (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=74593) whole observable Universe can be described by such approach.

http://superstruny.aspweb.cz/images/fyzika/simulace/fluid1.gif

Good point Zeph...!

If you don't like the idea of the scientific peer review system, whereby ideas are held up to the light and subjected to rigorous testingThis is bullshit of the nth order. There is no "peer review" at this forum. Instead, opinion is the preferred tool. My opinion of this "review" process is: It's a goddam crock of shit. Any rigour is mostly to comfort the fanatics, and those with swelled heads. A bunch of stuffed-shirts. If I had a shirt I needed to stuff with something, I wouldn't use any of you...straw is probably safer.

The nature of the "light" you refer to is actually another opinion that people who are blinded by their own bullshit, think they can see.
Just about anyone (I suppose I should include you, because of your obviously dogmatic POV), with an attitude about what science, or math is, according to their own thoroughly restricted set of beliefs, who is given "mod" status, then abuses the "power" it gives them. It's about restricting ideas, and labelling.

The labels I have attached to this, and similar forums, are quite accurate: there is very little logic involved; there is a lot of opinion involved; the best option is to ignore most of the replies, etc, etc, and etc. It's pretty much a monumental waste of time, because it's all random chatter. No-one really seems to have a clue.

The labels I have attached to this, and similar forums, are quite accurate: there is very little logic involved; there is a lot of opinion involved; the best option is to ignore most of the replies, etc, etc, and etc. It's pretty much a monumental waste of time, because it's all random chatter. No-one really seems to have a clue.

But you're still here...

No I'm not, you fucking idiot.

Now now... we cannot help but be able within certain individuals.

No I'm not, you fucking idiot.

A rational and well thought out response. Either way, I hope the door doesn't hit you in the ass on your way out.