View Full Version : Photos of American soldiers raping Iraqi women


Jagger
05-01-04, 07:50 AM
Buzzflash provided a link to a number of photos of American soldiers raping Iraqi female POWs.

http://xxxx.xxxxxx.x.xxx.php

I do not recommend looking at this link. But it is there.

The disgust I feel for my country is overwhelming. My disgust for the people who support this is war is overwhelming.

If Americans knew what was going on over there, the whole country would throw out Bush and neocons immediately. But do they know? No.

Avatar
05-01-04, 08:26 AM
I don't think that it would disturb american population much. it's a country where human executions were proposed to be run live via tv network

(Q)
05-01-04, 08:30 AM
Jagger

I thought the soldiers in Iraq wore brown, not green.

crazymikey
05-01-04, 08:44 AM
Those are forgeries. I am sure they are.

Avatar
05-01-04, 08:46 AM
you are also sure that there is an active alien eti presence on Mars

Avatar
05-01-04, 08:50 AM
but yeah, most likely forgeries
women too white
men too green
and not even a sunburn

edit: a bit too bad those pic's are censored :( :mad:

crazymikey
05-01-04, 08:55 AM
you are also sure that there is an active alien eti presence on Mars
Avatar, why the off-topic remark? What does it have to do with this topic? Grow up.

Avatar
05-01-04, 08:57 AM
I was simply pointing out that people should be careful when you say that you are sure of something

crazymikey
05-01-04, 09:00 AM
Avatar, no your are posting flame-bait, making unnecessary remarks, and just being a complete and utter idiot, like you seem to be all the time.

Dr Lou Natic
05-01-04, 09:22 AM
hahaha that's obviously sit-porn.
You could argue its distastefull to make porn about such a topic, but in the end its fiction and using it to make propoganda is far more deplorable.

laughing weasel
05-01-04, 12:50 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml I too had a hard time believing that it was even possible now that mainstream news is picking up on this the command needs to take quick and extremely harsh action. They probably did not investigate these incidents sooner because they dismissed it as irrational propaganda. There is no way American soldiers would behave this way is what I thought. I joined the army to fight against people like that.

Undecided
05-01-04, 01:00 PM
I don't believe that most American soldiers support this. But what scares me is that here you have apologetics for the unapologitical. The US has taken a beating on this, and so she should. What do you expect the international community to do? Be like some people here and scoff, and dismiss all this? The US military is a professional one, but elements exist in it that raises serious questions on how much emphasis the US places on ethics. It also lends credence to the idea that the US alone cannot be trusted to regulate itself.


Iraq: Torture not isolated -- independent investigations vital
There is a real crisis of leadership in Iraq -- with double standards and double speak on human rights, Amnesty International said today.
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"Our extensive research in Iraq suggests that this is not an isolated incident. It is not enough for the USA to react only once images have hit the television screens".

Amnesty International has received frequent reports of torture or other ill-treatment by Coalition Forces during the past year. Detainees have reported being routinely subjected to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment during arrest and detention. Many have told Amnesty International that they were tortured and ill-treated by US and UK troops during interrogation. Methods often reported include prolonged sleep deprivation; beatings; prolonged restraint in painful positions, sometimes combined with exposure to loud music; prolonged hooding; and exposure to bright lights. Virtually none of the allegations of torture or ill-treatment has been adequately investigated by the authorities.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004

Paula
05-01-04, 02:13 PM
Those uniforms don't look like US Army issue. They are old and the camouflage pattern is too small. Also, thr jackets are the wrong length and the colors are closer to the fake camouflage you'd buy in a department store. The "soldiers" also don't appear top have the correct military haircuts or the right boots.

I'm just looking at pictures sent back to me by my cousin in Fallujah and friend in Baghdad and they look completely different.

Undecided
05-01-04, 02:36 PM
It could coalition troops for all we know...

Rappaccini
05-01-04, 11:21 PM
These photographs were brought up in another thread and trounced just as quickly.



Everything is wrong in them.



No wounds or bruises of any kind can be seen on the women.

One of the women is either white or Asian.

The wrong uniform is worn by the soldiers.

The positions assumed by the women are rather... exaggerated.

The women are not fighting back at all.

It's the middle of the day. Rape doesn't happen in the middle of the day.

The three guys are half-naked and cooperating.
I mean... please... this is "gang bang" pornography, no question.

Xev
05-01-04, 11:30 PM
"It's the middle of the day. Rape doesn't happen in the middle of the day."

When it's committed by the occupying (pardon, no pun intended) soldiers of an enemy force, it is.

I agree that those are likely fabrications, though, or culled from some vile rape-fantasy site.
Those don't look like our uniforms, and since when were Iraqi women blonde, well-groomed Caucasians? Not a one of them looks Middle-Eastern at all.

And that's not an M-16. It looks like a cheap pistol.

Rappaccini
05-01-04, 11:38 PM
I don't think that occupying soldiers, especially US ones, would be able to perform a daylight rape.

Are their superiors just going to look the other way?
I doubt they will, if it transpires in daylight, for all to see.

Xev
05-01-04, 11:45 PM
My Lai?

I doubt that they WOULD - but it's not divorced from all possibility.

Even so, it's ridiculous to assume the photos are real. Any goon with a couple hundred dollars worth of props and some willing actors could stage this, and would find hundreds of thousands of goons willing to pay to see the pictures.

Are we supposed to believe that there is some tender soul with a camera, blithely witnessing a gang-rape, yet unwilling to intervene on the victim's behalf? And yet this tender soul is so stricken with remorse that he releases the pictures to the media?

Or perhaps this is not some tender soul, but a callous army member gloating over the enemy's humiliation? Knowing full well that what he's witnessing and doing is incredibly illegal, he stops to take a few pictures with his - Kodak disposi-cam? And then shows these to all and sundry?

Uh-huh.

And Iraqi women are well-groomed blondes.

15ofthe19
05-02-04, 12:17 AM
All of you are naive. This is obviously the real deal, and this is going on in Iraq everyday. The Pentagon actually has a special branch of PsyOps that handles this sort of thing.

I guess the shame of it is that the money shots have been edited out. Being ex-military myself (PsyOps, Ft. Benning), I am privy to the best Army porn available. We've got some great shots of these Iraqi bitches with Grade A, American soldier baby-batter(some folks call it man butter, love-gravy, koopie, jism, love-snot, spunk, etc.) streaming down their faces, but we generally don't release those pics. I've always tried to train the troops under my command that the most important thing is to finish strong. Apparently the CO of these troops didn't instill that in these noble young men. This is truly a disgrace to the porn (woops, I meant Army) industry everywhere, and should be viewed as such.

otheadp
05-02-04, 12:19 AM
Those don't look like our uniforms, and since when were Iraqi women blonde, well-groomed Caucasians? Not a one of them looks Middle-Eastern at all.

you lie! long live Saddam!
kick the raping occupying rapists out of Iraq!!!

§outh§tar
05-02-04, 12:26 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush tempered lighthearted remarks to a gathering of journalists Saturday with a declaration that the nation is in a ``period of testing and sacrifice'' spearheaded by a ``new generation of Americans as brave and decent as any before it.''

``As I speak, men and women in uniform are taking great risks and so are many journalists are being faithful to their own sense of duty,'' the president told the 90th annual White House Correspondents' Association dinner.



Referring to upcoming events honoring the World War II generation, he said those warriors can be certain ``that when they are gone we will still have their kind wearing the uniform of the United States of America.''

He said the death last month of former professional football player Pat Tillman ``brought home the sorrow that comes with every loss and reminds us of the character of the men and women who serve on our behalf.''

The president said Tillman ``was modest because he knew there were many like him making their own sacrifices.''

``They fill the ranks of the armed forces,'' he continued. ``Everyday somewhere they do brave and good things without notice. Their courage is usually seen only by their comrades, by those who long to be free and by the enemy. They are willing to give up their lives and when one is lost a whole world of hopes and possibilities is lost with them. This evening we think of the families who grieve and the families that wait on a loved one's safe return.''

Rest of story at http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?oldflok=FF-APO-1151&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040501%2F2345618338.htm&sc=1151&floc=NW_5-L3

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Also

The chief of the U.S. Army Reserve condemned the abusive treatment of Iraqi war prisoners Saturday and said he has ordered a study of whether reservists are sufficiently trained in ethical conduct and how to treat prisoners.

Do you think this would be the response if they had been doctored? Do you think the offenders would have been suspended if these had been doctored? Would Bush have apologized if these had been doctored?

USE your brain that God gave you.

Rappaccini
05-02-04, 12:28 AM
you lie! long live Saddam!
kick the raping occupying rapists out of Iraq!!!

Sorry, otheadp, but you didn't follow up on 15ofthe19's act very well.

Get off the stage.



§outh§tar,



Do you think this would be the response if they had been doctored? Do you think the offenders would have been suspended if these had been doctored? Would Bush have apologized if these had been doctored?

Wait... did you by chance even glance at the photos, or is that against your creed?

If Bush is apologizing for the treatment of anyone, he's apologizing for the treatment of male Iraqi detainees.


These photos are of a the "rape" of two "Iraqi" females.

They were e-mailed to Albasrah. They have not been recognized by any organization but an Islamic site or two.


Furthermore, the photos in question are so obviously pornographic in origin that I'm starting to think you must be trolling for attention...


Get the picture?



USE your brain that God gave you.

Stokes Pennwalt
05-02-04, 12:36 AM
Those are not American soldiers.

That article = shit.

Xev
05-02-04, 12:36 AM
SoulthStar:
"Do you think this would be the response if they had been doctored? Do you think the offenders would have been suspended if these had been doctored? Would Bush have apologized if these had been doctored?"

Bush was apologizing for the treatment of Iraqi POWs, not for the rape of Iraqi civilians. The soldiers in the "rape pictures" aren't even identified. Nobody has aknowledged these pictures as accurate representations of events in Iraq.

"USE your brain that God gave you."

Amusing that you should appeal both God and empiricism.

otheadp
05-02-04, 12:43 AM
Sorry, otheadp, but you didn't follow up on 15ofthe19's act very well.

Get off the stage.


sorry man.
but i had to get myself into the mode of PM (or a leftist)... and that requires cutting the IQ output by at least a half... and hence the really stupid response

Preacher_X
05-02-04, 09:25 AM
does anyone live in the UK?. well did anyone see the "Secret Policemen" Tuesday 21 October 2003 by the BBC (UK), which sparked outrage in the UK. a reporter went undercover to a police training camp in England to investagte racism in the Police. what he filmed sparked outrage in the country, showing many officers being blatanly racist, telling their view of blacks and asians and how the make them pay the "black tax" by unfairly picking on them.

even worse, the poliice officers described the brutal racist killing of Steven Lawrence as "what the fu*king ni*ga deserved" and how they'd gladly do it.

even more horrific, they put on masks like the Klu Klux Klan and started stabbing the air saying how they would of wanted to kill Lawrence. they then plotted how they'd knock on the door of the only Asian policmen in the camp, with the masks on and how they'd beat him and stab him.

each policemen gave examples of how in the past theyd beaten asians and blacks and as policemen who they'd dealt with people of other colours.

i have just said this article just to show that just because they serve their country, it doesn't mean they can't do such barabaric things as seen in Iraq.

Preacher_X
05-02-04, 09:29 AM
Those don't look like our uniforms, and since when were Iraqi women blonde, well-groomed Caucasians? Not a one of them looks Middle-Eastern at all.


do you know what middle eastern women look like? no you dont. okay SOME of those photos may be fake but those women are definately arabs. Caucasians look like a lot of Arabic women. the skin colour is right and so is the hair. Arabic women usually have balck or borwn hair. the golden hair that women had looks like arabic henna dye on the hair, like arab women often do.

and all of the phots were handed in by US soldiers.

15ofthe19
05-02-04, 09:59 AM
If you guys can't spot a crack-whore cum-dumpster from West Hollywood when you see one you would be well advised not to weigh in about the situation in Iraq.

Ahhh porn. :)

Xev
05-02-04, 10:58 AM
Retard:
"do you know what middle eastern women look like? no you dont."

Actually, there are oodles of 'em where I live. Granted, you can't really see them because they hide under bedsheets, but they ain't Caucasian looking.

" Caucasians look like a lot of Arabic women."

Not really, there are simularities but not really.

" the skin colour is right and so is the hair. Arabic women usually have balck or borwn hair. the golden hair that women had looks like arabic henna dye on the hair, like arab women often do."

And these women are blonde and one has dyed or red hair.
And better plucked eyebrows than I have. They even bloody LOOK like porn stars.

Stokes Pennwalt
05-02-04, 12:54 PM
If you guys can't spot a crack-whore cum-dumpster from West Hollywood when you see one you would be well advised not to weigh in about the situation in Iraq.

Ahhh porn. :)
hahahahahahaha

GuessWho
05-02-04, 01:05 PM
Leftists,

What happened to the idea of innocent before proven guilty?

1. The desert uniform is "NOT" green.
2. There was not even any badges, name tags...on these uniform.
3. Green T-shirts were supposed to be worn with these uniforms but one guy wears a "white T-shirt.
4. These uniforms even look different than the real ones.
5. One guy even button his shirt all the way up to his neck. This is not how this uniform is worn.
6. One guy wears a "blue" hat that looks like a baseball hat. This cannot be part of a uniform.
7. Pants are supposed to be tugged inside the boots and not hanging out.
8. One guy has the uniform sleeve way too short to be acceptable.
9. One woman looks hispanic and the other looks asian with white skin. None of them look middle eastern at all.

Only one the those listed items should have been good enough to prove that these are just pornography. If any of you are too blind to even realize it, you have just become one of my favorite clowns.

:D :D raise to the power of one million! plus an extra :D

Tiassa
05-02-04, 01:07 PM
It's the middle of the day. Rape doesn't happen in the middle of the day.Well, now we know how Rappaccini gets some.

Go back to thinking your impure thoughts about little girls in the middle of the day, Rapeachini.

Undecided
05-02-04, 02:59 PM
Yes it’s uncanny how Rapeachini knows how this is porn, he even seen some of these before. Awfully lude, and I detect some sexual dysfunction, I’d bet he love to be in Iraq in those “frat parties” they are having with those Iraqi men, and women. MEOW!

§outh§tar
05-02-04, 03:12 PM
@ Xev

Just curious, how does one LOOK like a porn star? :confused:

Xev
05-02-04, 03:20 PM
Undecided:

Yes it’s uncanny how Rapeachini knows how this is porn, he even seen some of these before. Awfully lude, and I detect some sexual dysfunction, I’d bet he love to be in Iraq in those “frat parties” they are having with those Iraqi men, and women. MEOW!

Oh fucking please, cocksucker - *I* can tell it's porn, and for obvious reasons it's not something I consume.
What a low thing to insinuate about someone.

tessie:
If I were a man (don't worry, I'm not implying that you are one either) who once taunted another member about being sexually abused as a child, I would not make that sort of comment.

SouthStar:

Having burgandy-dyed hair, small, well groomed eyebrows, and being fully shaved in 'that area' makes one look rather like the people one sees in porn, no?

Undecided
05-02-04, 03:25 PM
*I* can tell it's porn,

That's not what I stated though, the difference is that he seen these porno pics before. That's simply disturbing; I mean getting off on pictures of rape is not exactly the best of indications now is it?


I swear that I've seen pornography that looks just like a number of those photographs.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35592

After that Xev, without question, questions are raised. Perverted... surely.

What a low thing to insinuate about someone.


Read its comments not mine.

Xev
05-02-04, 03:34 PM
Undecided:
"That's not what I stated though, the difference is that he seen this porno pics before. That's simply disturbing; I mean getting off on pictures of rape is not exactly the best of indications now is it?"

How now, naive soul? Porn is ubiquitous on the internet, one need not search to find something like this - and certainly, seeing does not necessarily equate to enjoying.

An old women's studies teacher once illustrated this by having her students search for any term + women on google. Almost any word, combined with the term "women", brings up something of a sexual nature.

Further, what he does, does not, may or may not find arousing is none of your fucking business. What is he going to do, jump out of your computer monitor and rape you?

Undecided
05-02-04, 03:43 PM
How now, naive soul? Porn is ubiquitous on the internet, one need not search to find something like this - and certainly, seeing does not necessarily equate to enjoying.

Porn is rampant on the net, but that was rape was it not? You don't just get pop-up ads showing it. No he must have looked for pornography which was obviously rape in nature. Also why would he be looking at it prior to this recent event if he didn't enjoy it? Throws Psychological hedonism out of the window.

Almost any word, combined with the term "women", brings up something of a sexual nature.


I very highly doubt that it was in that context. Remember he said he had seen that very same porn before. He must have searched for it, intent, motive, all we are missing is the actus reus… hmmm.

Further, what he does, does not, may or may not find arousing is none of your fucking business. What is he going to do, jump out of your computer monitor and rape you?

I am sorry but obviously that man has issues and you concur by even addressing the problem. Is it my business? Of course, because those dysfunctions have an affect on society at large. Rape is not something that we can simply let happen, if we can prevent it we should, shouldn’t we? Who knows, it starts out as watching porn and transgresses into something more. Rapistcini over there proved to me and others that he has serious issues.

15ofthe19
05-02-04, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by delicate flower:
Rapistcini over there proved to me and others that he has serious issues

Maybe you could set up a business whereby you conduct psychoanalysis remotely via message boards. You could read what people post and from their words extrapolate a diagnosis of their particular "issues". Then you could run down to the pharmacy and pick up the required meds, run by the bookstore and pick up the required self-help book, and VOILA!, you've got everything they need to clear up their particular issue. You wait until they send you the Paypal addy and BOOM! You just made $99.95 plus expenses. I bet you could diagnose fifteen to twenty patients per day.

Just think, you could be the Earl Scheib of net psychoanalysts!

:D
http://www.earlscheib.com/

Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness or high-mindedness.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Sanctimony

CounslerCoffee
05-02-04, 06:25 PM
Rappaccini and Undecided:
No flames. I don't care who initiated it, Rappa. And Undecided, just because you deleted your own post doesn't mean that me and Rappa didn't see it. Maybe I should restore all the posts here and then close the thread so everyone can see how stupard your both acting?

Rappaccini
05-02-04, 06:30 PM
All right, Counsler, I think I'm allowed a measured response.

gendanken
05-02-04, 06:32 PM
Last edited by goofyfish : Today at 06:52 AM. Reason: Remove link to sexually explicit material

Damn- and I was *so* looking forward to seeing some porn. This place needs genitals.

Rappaccini
05-02-04, 06:34 PM
... it’s uncanny how Rapeachini knows how this is porn...

What's particularly "uncanny" is your remarkable willingness to reveal yourself as the prepubescent you really are.


...he even seen some of these before.

Seeing as you've never looked at pornogrphy *cough cough*, I bet you didn't realize it comes in genres.
Just because, while surfing, I've seen photos of the same genre as these, doesn't mean I set out with the defined purpose of hunting down 'rape' porn.

You're not even good at being underhanded, you know that?



EDIT:

Furthermore, so as to make certain you're in no way confused as to how low I think you are, I question:

Why would you be so eager to denounce me as a pervert?

I think I know why. It's what Freud called projection (http://www.alleydog.com/glossary/definition.cfm?term=Projection).
Do read it; I insist.

Undecided
05-02-04, 06:39 PM
What's particularly "uncanny" is your remarkable willingness to reveal yourself as the prepubescent you really are.

The same exact flame as before, the same that was deleted. You do realize that don't you? I suggest you delete your own thread before he does.

Just because, while surfing, I've seen photos of the same genre as these, doesn't mean I set out with the defined purpose of hunting down 'rape' porn.

The same genre as those is rape...hello, what do you think genre is? You stated you seen those exact photos before, you just don’t come across photos’ like that. Who are you trying to kid, us or yourself?

You're not even good at being underhanded, you know that?

Firstly I am not being underhanded, you admitted yourself you get off rape porn. Secondly if I wasn't so good why are you even trying to defend yourself? Shouldn't my incompetence speak for itself?

Undecided
05-02-04, 06:42 PM
Why would you be so eager to denounce me as a 'rape' porn-loving pervert?


I am eager to expose you for what you are a perverted member of society who seems to like to watch women get forced into sex with men. You must live with your own self-incriminations not me. You trying to deflect attention to me with your amateur psychoanalysis is indicative of a guilty mind.

CounslerCoffee
05-02-04, 06:47 PM
This thread is out of control; closed.