Phospholipid Bilayers; What causes the 'soup' to associate?

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by Bishadi, Sep 26, 2008.

  1. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    What is the 'causation' of lipids to align in such a way as the lipid bilayers?

    And please no hydrophobic/hydrophillic representations as most any monkey can see that the water and oil affect is moot once temperature change are imposed. Meaning think in the lines of the energy upon the mass rather than water and oil affect.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer





    So what property of energy would cause the mass to associate?

    hint.... note the various properties of energy.
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Tiny, tiny monkeys move the particles into place.
     
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  5. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I am more of an ape than a monkey, so this particular point has escaped me till now. Would you elaborate, please. Are you stating that oil and water do mix readily at higher temperatures? Or something else?

    Confused.

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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Stereochemistry and polarity.

     
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  8. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    how old is that representation? 30 what years... and you still think it is the correct frame.

    how about checking what elements them lipids are composed of

    and then find that since the structures (lipids) associate with no peptide bonds; what property of energy will enable structures to align without the mass ever touching.

    think of a harmony of music


    put a cup of coffee in the refrigerator. Once cold add a dry creamer.

    What happens?

    THen heat up the cup of coffee and try it again........

    now go back over my posts and see if i mispelled anything
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If you have a theory, spit it out
     
  10. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    energy is electromagnetism (light upon mass)

    an electron is simply created by an em field isolating a portion of existing mass

    (mass: energy affixed in time)

    "a paradigm shift is about to occur and this fool is who is stirring it up all over the world"

    every phenomenon can be addressed

    for example: Gravity is simply the property of em called entanglement

    the foundation is based on the framework of the three; mass, energy and time; the 'trinity' to math

    mass (energy affixed in time), energy (em upon mass), in time

    to comprehend the properties of energy, then the 4 forces are definable (weak, strong, em and gravity)

    each are properties of energy and mass associating in time

    clear enough?
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its all gibberish to me. I'm not a physicist.

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  12. Roman Banned Banned

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    You're confused.
    Dry creamers dissolve in polar liquids because of the way the lipids are packaged. You're experiment merely demonstrates that solvation rates increase as temperature increases. This is well known.

    Try mixing oil into 200 degree water. You'll find that it doesn't. The only way you can get oil and water to mix is by shaking it, or by the mixing due to the physical movement of boiling. Or you convert the lipid into an alcohol or thiol. I think ammonia groups would also encourage solvation.
     
  13. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    This matches my limited understanding. Bishadi's cryptic comments merely continue to confuse me. Since my IQ is in excess of 145 I suspect this confusion may have an external origin.
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    what happens is the cream melts, it still stays seprated from the coffee. I drink viena coffee all the time and this is EXACTLY what happens, you have to mix it to get the cream and coffee to mix and they wont stay like that even then
     
  15. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Self-assembling systems are well-known. Phospholipids form bilayers spontaneously in aqueous environments - this has been known and understood for a fair while.
    Some modern fabrication techniques in the electronics industry take advantage of self-assembling molecules.
    The plastics industry creates 'self-rearranging' polymers - they've been doing that for a while too.

    No big deal.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    thats how the cell membrain bilayer works.

    Water on either side and the hydrophobic layer pointing in on itself
     
  17. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    somehow i knew that to try and share reality of how base molecules associate for a the bilayers to assemble would be too much for this site of folk.

    Then again, there are a few reading that don't have to make stupid comments.

    such as the guy with the IQ...... seems a lower IQ coupled with integrity will kick the pants off of a the so called higher figure.

    and in reverse, ever noticed how Einstein knew that relativity was not complete and regretted ever publishing E=mc2 but the fools consider it the greatest thing ever written, while the Big E worked until dead, trying to figure it all out. One has integrity, the others are morons!

    But the most alarming, is when the material offering logic and the globe of the internet allows the venue to check material information and yet not a one has the moral obligation to actually do the homework

    This is why i do not publish the math! This is why i do not appreciate the intellectual leaders.... the so called peers!

    There are very few who have the true gift of science and the Love for the purpose of science; for Understanding; for the future; for the children. The absolute quest for the truth!

    So when items come floating around the scientific community, and each begin to see just how much is occuring, remember that you had a shot well before most.....

    perhaps look up the song written after Darwin wrote Origins as there is a line within the chorus that goes: 'Why didn't I think of that?'

    meaning the monkeys of complacency will find reality is far closer to common sense, that most realize and it is only, and i repeat ONLY, because of the vast ignorance accepted by the so called community that keeps the true comprehension from being pursued on a global basis.

    It is probably why the last war (on the horizen) is of such importance to the overall global peace; the last will become first and the first will be last......

    screw the so called intellectual community! let em burn!

    Forgiveness is not my best trait. Nothing in existence removes an atrocity from existing and the selfishness of mankind is so inbred, i welcome the turn over with LOVE for the furture over the present.

    a few will know what that means; the rest can go jump in a lake!

    there is someone walking around this earth that is bound to the commitment of revealing the truth as it is!
     
  18. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    So, in a word - or a few words - you are yet another, arrogant, self-deluded asshole with limited communication skills, an ego inversely proportional to your intellect, with nothing but condemnation for those who are vastly more intelligent, knowledgeable and useful than you, who has a defective, poorly explored and developed wild speculation which your are incapable of articulating. That is probably just as well, since even properly articulated vomit is still vomit.

    I suspected as much. Your last post simply confirmed it.
     

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