for me luv iz ov 2 types

* conditional luv
* unconditional luv


unconditional luv :
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practically speaking... unconditional luv iz nothin bt an illusion or fantasy or sumthing metaphysical. It exists no where in da world but in da folk tales... movies... plays and stuff like dat. every1 has got sum conditions dat must be fullfilled b4 selection ov a life partner. theze conditions formulate da "IDEAL" dat ppl talk abt everywhere.

conditional luv :
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Luv only exists in 1 form.... and dat is condional luv... u see people want their life partners 2 be handsome... sum want dem 2 be rich... sum want dem 2 be highly educated... sum want dem
2 be simple... sum want dem 2 be jolly... n sum want dem 2 be intellectuals or artist or stuff like dat ... so da point i want to make iz prety obvious. We luv 4 sum reason ... so luv is not sumthing supernatural.


types of conditional luv :
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conditional love further divides into two types

* one way traffic
* two way traffic


one way traffic :
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ahhh.... this is the most common species ov luv found on dis plannet. a man who is educated but not handsome wants his life partner 2 be beautiful and loving... and its not difficult to find
beautiful and loving ladies... so wen he finds on ov da beautiful n loving ladies... he feels az if he is in luv n no doubt he is....but now da nature cums in2 action. Dat beautifull lady wants her life partner to be rich n handsome..and his education iz ov no importance to her. so he keeps on luving and she keeps on ignoring. dats wat one way traffic iz....!

two way traffic:
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Rare...just rare... dis kinda luv is so uncommon dat its just a matter of luk if sum1 finds it. it happens only wen two pple wid same conditions find each other. so people who finds it r really really luckly n i pay dem great tribute...



my philosophy is prety simple and realistic n iz based on my experiences... but still if u wana contradict ... i will welcome ur point ov view n will try my level best to make u understand dis philosophy.

Oh man, do you know how hard it is to read that stuff, I can't even understand you

That shit hurts my brain.

Unconditional love doesn’t exist since to be in love it is already a condition in it self.

But to stretch your perception a little, let me try playing your tune;
Condition-al love = A paralytic, blind & deaf married with Shakira.
Unconditional Love = Shakira married to a paralytic, blind and deaf old man.
:p

Xev and Thor.... If u people can't understand dis den i am dam sure dat u wud never be able 2 understand the complexities n intrications ov luv.

Now microzoft.... so u agreed dat unconditional love does'nt exist... thanks for dat; but u said


Condition-al love = A paralytic, blind & deaf married with Shakira.
Unconditional Love = Shakira married to a paralytic, blind and deaf old man.


u see... dats bullshit... sum thing out oc da world.... sum thing dat wud never happen.. so i guess u showed me a way to prove dat unconditional luv is nothin more den bullshit. lolz :p Thanks 4 dat az well ;)

Oh I can understand. The way you write just makes my head hurt.

You've never loved, have you?

Originally posted by ucitian
Xev and Thor.... If u people can't understand dis den i am dam sure dat u wud never be able 2 understand the complexities n intrications ov luv
Yeah, the complexities and intrications of love are terrible at spelling also.

Well XEV u know it hurts... it hurts to all those who love... u just read it and it made ur head brusting like anything... I feel dat u loved someone and u had a failure ... rite?

Well u asked me dat wheather i had ever been in love...well yea.. i love someone...and love more then anything.... she loves me too but she says she cant marry me.... so its another complication.

For Dr. LOU NATIC.... this time i put the rite spellings for LUV. lolz :p Well doc ... wheather its LUV or LOVE or somethng else.... spellings doesnt matter... wat matters are the feelings which can't be expressed in da earthly words.

Umm, let me try to translate this into english - you think I loved and lost?

To answer in ucitian:

hafrueahfljhzdaiuflhaufsaefuashiufhesaiufhaoishfli usahifauhlfrheafhakjh!

Back to english:

The answer is no. But nobody who has loved thinks in these terms. Indeed, if you loved, her ability or inability to marry you would be irrelevent.
Those who would make love out to be some sort of sublime, candy hearts and roses Hallmark crap, generally are those who cannot even feel, let alone love.

Now could you PLEASE try to type like a normal human being?

well as far as my typing is concerned ; i feel as if what i type sounds similar to what it really is in english though it seems prety different from what it really is ... so its my style... :)

Okie... now in normal.. well XEV ... u said that people who love .. the dont think of marriages.... well i dont believe that... u see if u rea all those classic love tales ... the heroin and hero were killed just due to the fact that they wanted to marry.... and not becoz they loved... and u know.... love must end it in marriage..other wise its just like shit... just think .... how wud u feel if u find the one you love with her husband after five years from today... u definately cant feel good. So when u love someone.. u become possisive and u want to keep him/her all the time with u. This is not possible without marriages.... no doubt the west has now got this disease of living together without marriages for years and then leaving each other when they babies.... its just like shit. What do u think.... ?

unconditional luv... I don't think unconditional love gets anyone anywhere. I think the human brain only 'awakens' when the senses are impinged upon. Seeing a lot of people when we are younger, such as in a busy market, informs the brain about the world. I'm sure everyone will agree that it is quite daunting at first. Little shocks like these however feed the brain with information and it then becomes more aware of the environment within which it is in. The more sounds it has registered, the more objects it has seen, the more nerve sensations it has received all give the brain more information about the world. I think it is an unconditional love, a kind of pity, which hinders some special needs children in some ways, and it is unconditional love which, to a certain extent, will leave the brain dead in the water.

Is that better?? i know my posts aren't always perfect but I re-wrote this about 3 times with bits here and there. that's why it was like that.

well neville.....believe me i am unable to understand whatever u wanted to say... why get so complicated.....just say it in easy way. okie wat i got from ur post was that u wanted tio relate the unconditional love with the human psychology or may be u r getting more complicated and relating it with the neural system within the human body.... Okie let me help u give word... do u believe that unconditional love exists and if u think that it exists then give an example or two. ;)

I believe that humans have evolved to feel certain emotions that we cannot describe. Love is nothing but attraction and that happens in all mammals birds and so on. However, being human, we have something called compassion, and that is what makes us human. It is the thing that makes us love on solitary person. And that conpassion doesn't have to be limited. You can unconditionally love more than one person, based on your faith.

What I was trying to say was that stimulus is required for any registration of events. The brain has different ways of receiving stimuli, five to be exact (wonder if theres anymore that we just aren't aware of), and it is stimuli which stimulate the brain. Unconditional love? Caring for something no matter what. There are no conditions to the love. An unconditional love must surely be something that is found! One can't decide to love something unconditionally. Did you have a point ucitian?

I think most people's view of unconditional love is one where there are conditions but it's just that the lover does not believe that these conditions will be broken. I'm sure that person could do something that would cause the other to not love them! I think nurture is a better word. Love must be nurtured and cared for, not just watered. I have had recent ideas about the danger 'love' has on society and how's it women's fault, but i'll save that for another time. :D lol

I pity you, Neville. You're not only stupid, but also dull.

ucitian:
u see if u rea all those classic love tales ... the heroin and hero were killed just due to the fact that they wanted to marry.... and not becoz they loved... and u know.... love must end it in marriage..other wise its just like shit... just think ....

That is absolutely ridiculous. Now why is this nonsense in my forum?

Originally posted by Xev

That is absolutely ridiculous. Now why is this nonsense in my forum?
A very good question.
If you consider anything that has "philosophy of..." in the title to be philosophy then everything and anything can be called philosohpy..its just silly. Some standards are needed here.

Originally posted by Xev
I pity you, Neville. You're not only stupid, but also dull.

ucitian:


That is absolutely ridiculous. Now why is this nonsense in my forum?

because someone thought it was too awful for freethought probably...

LOL Ucitian.

It must be utterly good to be in your companianship, just for the sake of hearing you talk.

However, I agree it seems not really suitable in General Philosophy.


Unequal Love

Like a whisper on the wind
Sometimes the wind don't want to hear about it
Like a sail boat on the sea
Sometimes the ocean just don't care about it

There are many, many feelings
That can tear your soul apart
But the pressure of unequal love is hard
Cause the price you got to pay
Is that the pain won't go away
Unequal love

Did you ever stay too long
With a lover who was over you
You had the feeling it was wrong, so wrong, so wrong
But you love so hard there's nothing you can do
There are many, many heart-aches
When you're up against the wall
And all the love you give, won't come back at all
And no matter what you do
It really hurts to know the truth
Love is unequal sometimes

When you have a change of heart
Cause you found that you can trust somebody
Now tear the afro from your heart
It's you they love, it's not just anybody
There are many, many reasons not to play the game at all
But in the meantime you are bound to fall
Cause your wounds are gonna heal
You got to learn just how to feel

Unequal love
Unequal love ~ Crosby, Stills & Nash


Goodnight! :)

Thanks Banshee for ur compliments .. ;) well the poem that u quoted here is only understandable to those who know wat luv is. so i guess u may find some cranky people on the forum exagerating it. anyways it is a nice poem ;)


well navile .... u said


I have had recent ideas about the danger 'love' has on society and how's it women's fault, but i'll save that for another time.


well i wuld just like to hear dat... i lu dis kinda stuff. plz do tell about the influence of luv on da society. :p

okie..... u tried to prove it through biomedical reasoning dat there is some thing called unconditional luv.... well naville u see dat da first condition in da luv is not to luv every one.... coz if we luv everyone den just think how would people be feeling abt luv. It wuld be just like FREE SEX. I think u got da point i wanted to make.

Well now it's down where it belongs.

Uhh...question... dont you love yourself unconditionally? i mean, if you love YOURSELF conditionally, then, all i have to say is, poor you!
i love myself, unreasonably and unconditionally, thanks very much!:o

whoever started this thread i have one suggestion: "Dude learn how to type." .


Seriously, it's perfectly fine if you talk like that in real life but do you really have to extend that into your typing. I mean if you want people to respond to your otherwise nice theory on love how about you type it normally so they don't get a headache before they are done. Anyway.... i agree with you: there is no such thing as unconditional love because something is always expected you in a relationship (not that that's a bad thing, i mean you can't have a guy banging every women he sees and then expect his girlfriend to give him unconditional love or vice versa.) also what are your opinions on "Love at first sight." I don't think it exists, people just confuse it for "infatuation at first sight"....hell everybody does it. They see a really good looking guy/girl/ mixed (there are people who dig that stuff) and wish they had them in their arms....."u kno wat i mean."

I personally believe in unconditional love, but not in the typical way. The only kind of unconditional love that exists is when someone cares so much for a person that they would give their life for them and they don't care if the love is ever returned. They don't care if they get anything in return. I know that I love my nephew unconditionally, I was there at his birth, and I will always love him.

When it comes to a relationship between two people, such as marriage or dating, I strongly agree that there is no such thing as unconditional love because one side always expects the love to return.

i love myself, unreasonably and unconditionally, thanks very much!


well baby ... its not easy to streamline the complexities of luv. Just think how u came to know that u love ur self.

What i believe is that ur love with ur ownself is depicted in the way u dress; ur consiousness about ur meal and ur health and your involvement in the health habbits.

Practically speaking, u dress well to impress the peole arround u and more precisely the opposite sex arround u. U adopt those health habbits just because u want to look healthier and u dont want to get into some kinda disease and specially u dont want to die earlier. I kow people who dumbled themself to death just to impress a few gallz arround.

So ur love withur self in not unconditional...its prety conditional. And believe me thats the only reason u came to know that u r in love with ur own self. Just think over it!

Thanks aloto for your suggestion. I will try avoid typing that way now. I guess its prety difficult for the people to read stuff like that and when we make the words that sounds similar to the real words then this makes the people furious. :D

Hummm LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT... uhhh simply bullshit. I dont believe that its love...its simply infatuation. U know... in one of my editorials in my my magazine, i said that eyes play the pivotal role in WHAT WE CALL LOVE initially but when mind comes into action and when other factors come to play there role then things are diferent. On a road u see a gall... she smiles to you..... u give a smile back to her and u feel that u are in love with her... an then after some time when u come to know that the gall u saw was a dam prostitute.... what will happen then. Surely ur feelings will be changed. so i conclude here by saying that

The more you see ; the more you love ..... the nore you know ; the more u hate..... and real love is something that you know and u still want to see.

I personally believe in unconditional love, but not in the typical way.


hahah... so u have got a mutant of unconditional love. Thats intresting! I think i would have to study the BIOCHEMISTRY and GENETICS of love once again. lol :D

Well u said that some people love such that they dont want any thing in return. First of all let me make somethng very much clear to u. Love is not demanding. Love is sacrificing. So what i initially meant by by "conditons" was'nt that u need any thing in return. What i meant was that love requires a platform on which it grooms. U said that some people dam care if they dont get love back. Read my first post. I clearly said that ONE SIDED TRAFFIC is a type of conditional love where u dont get the love back but u still love.

then u said


I know that I love my nephew unconditionally, I was there at his birth, and I will always love him.


Well i am sure that its conditioonal again. I dont know the exact circumstances but may be .... i repeat "MAY BE"u love him just because u love BABIES and u desperately wanted to have one and now when u have a baby nephew... now u feel in love with him.

Now i guess that ur baby nephew is prety cute ... but what if he was not that good looking and cute. Believe me you would not have been the same to her. LOOKS matter!

There may be someother contributing factors but i cant streamline them coz i know nothing. Hope u know wat i mean. :)

so how does some1 know when he's in love? does he just know, through and through? I think I've been in love... but wouldn't I know, not think, if IT really was love?

Hummm LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT... uhhh simply bullshit. I dont believe that its love...its simply infatuation.
Theres a difference between infatuation and love at first sight. Ive experienced both, and I can tell the difference. Infatuation is merely lust. Love at first sight, however, is almost magical:D.

I know that I love my nephew unconditionally, I was there at his birth, and I will always love him. You love him unconditionally?? I doubt this very much. Are you saying that if he grows up and does something terrible like kills someone, maybe a child, in cold blood, you would still love him? If you truely love him without conditions then you would. I pity you, Neville. You're not only stupid, but also dull. In what way??

I sometimes think that most people searching for 'true love' are actually searching for that feeling of when they were children: when they were carefree and didn't have a worry in the world. However there comes a point in our lives when when we have to accept our responsibilites, even if it's just the responsibility of being able to pay for where you live. I think it would take a great deal to find the utopia of being a child again, if it is even possible. Most people think they will find it with riches. While I don't disbelieve in love I think some people suddenly 'discover' that they are in love and decide to profess this love by doing things which make them look silly. I would place more emphasis on a persons feelings. If they are in love then they will know it. There is no need to tell the world or even make a fool if yourself. Being in love, I think, is feeling that someone loves you, and wants you for who you are. Why does love have to be such a rapturous celebration which usually involves people showing their stupidity. I have to say however that the people who express their love in this way are the ones who are trying to be in love. They pretend to feel something.

Does anybody know about the theory that people are attacted to those with completely different immune systems? Supposedly, their children would develope better.
http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/HYBRIDVIGOR/issue1/attraction.htm

Hey good post coolskill! However some would say that genetics doesn't have much to do with shagging.

I wonder how one body can tell about the immune system of another body.

Neville:
In what way??

"'Tis long since any of you loved, for you are cold;
You cannot love - your blood is not hot, like ours!
You have forgotten that the world can hold
A love that sears like flame and, like flame, devours"

That you'd value social conformity over passion and humanity...sad, just sad.

I sometimes think that most people searching for 'true love' are actually searching for that feeling of when they were children: when they were carefree and didn't have a worry in the world.

Those who search for love are, I think, trying to find that emotion Hallmark markets for 99 cents a card.

Pathetic, really.

Love is all around.
I think I hear the birds singing.

Love sucks.
*Takes a semi-automatic to the birds* :D

well i dont believe that IMMUNE SYSTEM has some role to paly in love. Well it may have some role to play in infatuation but love is something entirely different and something very very pure and so the immune system can't change the chmistry of love.

I give ucitian credit for bringing his actual experience into this topic and helping us try to make sense of love, which is something, unlike many of the other things in the philosophy section or wherever this post ended up, that we all care about and relate to.

My advice to anyone would be: don't worry so much that the love you are getting is not unconditional, but worry more that the love that you give is unconditional. This way you better your karma and perhaps better your chances at finding that someone that can mend your broken or help fill your lonely one.

<b>Conditional Love:</b> There is no such thing.

<b>Unconditional Love:</b> True love. It sometimes hurts you, so much so that you must distance yourself from it in order to survive it.



:D

Neville maybe this will help you with your and its danger on society idea.

Love, by its very nature, is unworldly,
and it is for this reason rather than its
rarity that it is not only apolitical but
anti-political, perhaps the most powerful
of all anti-political human forces. -Hannah Arendt, Political Philosopher

I probably shouldn't be giving this away because I could probably use it in a book I write one day but I'll say it anyway and it fits in with much that has been said earlier on this post, for example that love is always aimed at a particular thing or person (which was also in a book a just read called Everyday Ethics by Josh Halbertstam. Well here it is:

Love is for me: Politics is for us.

Interestingly, uciatian said in the opening post that love is supernatural and Hannah Arendt may have meant the same thing by saying its unworldy, very interesting. Makes you want to believe.

"Love has been and is still the great act of subversion in the West"
--Octavio Paz

Sensuality and thought are probably the most subversive forces of the human mind. All involve the transcendence - nay, even the rejection - of social convention.

Interestingly, uciatian said in the opening post that love is supernatural and Hannah Arendt may have meant the same thing by saying its unworldy, very interesting. Makes you want to believe.

Hannah did not believe in such nonsense. "Unworldly" is usually meant by her to mean apolitical or asocial.

What the heck...? Hey, love is unconditional. There is no on and off switch for true love. :bugeye:

What the heck...? Hey, love is unconditional. There is no on and off switch for true love.

So if your lover points a .50 caliber at your chest and asks if they can kill you, you'd answer in the affirmative?

That's not love, that's submissiveness. Which is itself narcissistic.

Xev, You can leave a lover yet still be terribly in love with that person: <i>It sometimes hurts you, so much so that you must distance yourself from it in order to survive it. </i>

Do you understand the nature of unconditional love?

Do you understand the nature of unconditional love?

Wish I didn't.

The need to possess the lover seizes one's soul so fully that cannot bear to tell them how you feel, and you cannot bear not to tell them.
And so you simply label your passion as insane, masochistic and rather irrational, and leave it alone. And they're stupid enough to feel something for you, but it hardly matters, because there's always that question: "Does this person love me, or is he just using me?".

But it's not even being used that you would hate - it's the thought that they might be indifferent.

You never answered my question, though.

<i>"So if your lover points a .50 caliber at your chest and asks if they can kill you, you'd answer in the affirmative?

That's not love, that's submissiveness. Which is itself narcissistic."</i>

Better to first ask me if I could love a person who would offer me such a choice. After all, it's the individual whom we love. Right? But then again, people have thrown there life into oblivion for love.

Originally posted by Xev
So if your lover points a .50 caliber at your chest and asks if they can kill you, you'd answer in the affirmative?

That's not love, that's submissiveness. Which is itself narcissistic.

You're misunderstanding. Unconditional means that "I'll love you no matter what the F**k you do", not "I'll let you do any f**king thing just because I love you."

I believe unconditional love is VERY hard to find outside family... VERY hard...

I believe unconditional love is VERY hard to find outside family... VERY hard... I'd say it can be hard within the family too! Unconditional love in the true sense of the word is as Wyatt thrash said: 'I'll love you no matter...what you do'. I'm sure every single loved person in the world could do something that would cause their lover to cease to love them. There are conditions, even if minimal, to every love in the world, except a love of a creator. While some may say that this is a subjective account I would challenge anyone to deny that it's true.

I think some people here don't understand love. I had a professor that said love is being present with someone with no ifs, ands or buts.

If there is something called romantic love, in addition to that, which I think there is, than you all have to redefine what you are saying.

Xev, you can't underestimate the power of the heart and I remind you that I am a typically unsentimental person. The kind of love that emanates from the heart has a power of it's own and possible the strongest power there is, in that it defies logic, and rationality and the other tools of the "intellectual" mind.

fredx:
Xev, you can't underestimate the power of the heart and I remind you that I am a typically unsentimental person. The kind of love that emanates from the heart has a power of it's own and possible the strongest power there is, in that it defies logic, and rationality and the other tools of the "intellectual" mind.

Considering that the heart is nothing more than a very large muscle, I'd suggest that you rethink your thesis.

"The impulse towards love, pushed towards the extreme, is also an impulse towards death"
--The Marquis de Sade

Frankly, 'tis statements like your above that make me wonder if we've lost the capacity to love, at least as a culture. We've become so wrapped up in a pre-packaged, flawlessly marketed world that we've lost the ability to throw everything away.

We've become a world of Nevilles, where we reject love because we realize how destructive it is, or worse, we lie to ourselves and say that love is in no way destructive.

Don't get me wrong, we like destruction. But our destruction has to be tested and preapproved and kept safe. We cannot bear the thought of tidal waves sweeping LA off the map, unless it is on the screen. And we cannot bear to love, unless we can idealize it to the point of triviality.

Better to first ask me if I could love a person who would offer me such a choice. After all, it's the individual whom we love. Right? But then again, people have thrown there life into oblivion for love.

It's a simple question: yes or no?

Yet am I so much better than all of you? I can answer my question with an easy "yes", but I seek security even in my passion. Love is an incredibly selfish thing, and anyone who says otherwise is decieved or decieving.

Xev, you can't underestimate the power of the heart and I remind you that I am a typically unsentimental person. The kind of love that emanates from the heart has a power of it's own and possible the strongest power there is, in that it defies logic, and rationality and the other tools of the "intellectual" mind. No offence Fredx but this sounds a tad corny. :D :p

Yet am I so much better than all of you? I can answer my question with an easy "yes", but I seek security even in my passion. Love is an incredibly selfish thing, and anyone who says otherwise is decieved or decieving. I would say that love can be incredibly selfish. It seems to me that the woman is just after the security that 'love' will bring and the men just want regular sex, which the women will not grant unless he is 'in love'. These differences in desire cause the main female goal to be the idea of 'love'. A 100% unbreakable bond which makes her man trustworthy and loyal to the end. Many women believe that once her catch is in love, she wont have a care in the world. For the males it is a case of agreeing to the females demands, or let your balls explode. Since the woman is chasing love the male is dragged along and has to try to keep up with the woman, who is running from pillar to post desperately seeking her future happiness and security. While i'm not saying that love doesn't exist, because in my experience it does (!), I do wonder how the notion of 'love' came about and whether what was found by ancestors, assuming that the female was naturally down-trodden and had to spend many years with the partner to be allowed to love, is what is sought after today.
Marriage I suspect came from the middle-classes (in fact this has caught my interest so much I've decided to read into it a little) and probably led to the notion of the female getting half of everything from the marriage if a divorce is wanted. Love has gone from a mere security to the female becoming equally as valued as the male. In general I would say that male vs female goals are no plan vs plan: the wedding day is every little girls dream and the rest of her life is (ideally) focused on that whereas the boys are encouraged to go out and 'let loose'.
However this is all speculation. I will report back if i find anything of use. :). That's my tupence worth.

Charles:
I would say that love can be incredibly selfish.

No no no no. I'm not talking about that kind of love. I'm talking about the "You're the most beautiful human being I've ever seen, I feel everything for you, I want to serve you and protect you and spend the rest of my life with you and yadda yadda yadda" sort of love.

What real love Xev?? True love?? Well i'd just like to say that if i ever fall so deeply and madly in love that I get married then I hope I go first because i can imagine that the pain of losing someone you truly and dearly love, and have loved for a long time, and being left alone to face it would almost be unbearable.

I thought that xev had took the final hatchet blow to this topic, but it seems the beast is still trying to force its way out of the closet.

Charles Fleming said: (damn I wish someone would tell me how to do this quote thing for real already)

"Many women believe that once her catch is in love, she wont have a care in the world. For the males it is a case of agreeing to the females demands, or let your balls explode."

Damn that is somewhat true. And the fact that I am somewhat of a nonconformist makes it even tougher for me to get laid. Most girls want and are used to men being society-bred automatons. Thats how they are trained by society or maybe it is something in the fact they are the sex that is responsible to perserve the race. It is in their natures to be the ones that preserve. So its quite natural if they support preserving the order of how things are in society. woman tend to be more biological creatures than the men, who often want to bring change. Of course, that said, their are woman that think and bring change, just not most of them. Its like the anti-sex league in 1984 by George Orwell. Its like the nightmare come to life. Plus by walking in line, you prove to the girl that you can be a responsible provider. Its a tough world, you have to take all this into consideration: Woman are not just going to love you for who you are.

Man, I need so female feedback on this. They will probably be pissed but what I write is the truth so too bad.

Charles:
What real love Xev?? True love??

Yes. And it has nothing to do with marriage, partnership or even being with that person for as long as possible.

fredx:
Thats how they are trained by society or maybe it is something in the fact they are the sex that is responsible to perserve the race.

Qualify this assertion.

Its like the anti-sex league in 1984 by George Orwell. Its like the nightmare come to life. Plus by walking in line, you prove to the girl that you can be a responsible provider. Its a tough world, you have to take all this into consideration: Woman are not just going to love you for who you are.

Or perhaps you just have a small dick.

I mean seriously, what sort of logic is:

I can't get laid, therefore women are stupid.

Obviously, if it were this simple, then the whole "bad boy" thing would not be popular. I mean take someone like Marilyn Manson (mostly 'cause I have Holywood on and can't be bothered to think up a good example). The asshole has thousands of women who want to fuck his brains out, and he is by no means a conformist.

They will probably be pissed but what I write is the truth so too bad.

Why should I be pissed at the inane rantings of a sex-deprived loser?

Okay guys enough already! What is this Mr. Fleming about women wanting security and men wanting regular sex? I don't know what kind of women you are meeting but these days PASSION RULES! I would rather have a passionate love that hits me right in the solar plexus, raunchy sex and all than a sappy provider who sits in front of the football game every Sunday. What is Love? It's an action. Giving time, attention and direction, tenderness, understanding etc.
What is Love? An undeniable feeling, sensation which ignites the imagination.
What is Love? It is the force which compells you towards someone even when they are running away from you.
What is Love? It is Queen of the Fairies falling adoring a man who has the head of a Jackass (Check Midsummer's Night's Dream)
What is Love? It is being with a person for 30 years, long after the passion is gone, and realizing that they have become your partner and friend.
Love burns, it nurtures, it also has this strange way of coming and going at the drop of a dime.

Lucysnow:

"I would rather have a passionate love that hits me right in the solar plexus, raunchy sex and all than a sappy provider who sits in front of the football game every Sunday.'

You say this now but when you really have to make the decision you are going to go the way most of you girls go.

Firstly, once you have a full life you will realize sex all the time or even more than once or twice a week isn't practical anymore.

Secondly, men who watch football are seen as manly men and we all know that that is what woman like and they somehow like being "Sunday Afternoon widows" for some reason also, think about it, its their choice, you knew who you were getting involved with before you got married.

Thirdly, you are saying that you want that passionate fully alive guy that looks to take care of all your sexual needs but you will go with that lifeless bean counter that has the bucks in the end because life is expensive and you need that SUV to drive all your little babies around.

fredx quote:
"You say this now but when you really have to make the decision you are going to go the way most of you girls go."

I hope not but I understand your reasoning. Sometimes I think it would be easier to go where security lies but I know I would be restless (like those neurotic women in The Hours). Yes I have dated two professional football players and one is attracted to the bravado and Manly Man persona, and I have also been engaged to that "lifeless bean counter" which you referred to and almost died in the relationship and ran far far away. I would rather be independent and find a man with some true passion in bed and in life. Or maybe just a string of men who suit my needs at the time and then wait till I am fifty to settle down with the nearest available "bean counter" just for his social security checks!

As my old professor would say if anybody approached him with the kind of stuff that you just said: "Oh, dear."