Peace to all,

'Stop the war on Iran Before it Starts'

Please send an email to the US government (via the website below) and support this statement of conscience to prevent Iran from becoming the next Iraq.

There is a growing threat of US military action against Iran, another oil-rich nation facing unsubstantiated accusations from the US as the pretext for another US-led illegal war in the Middle East.

(Signatures include Denis Halliday (former UN Assistant Secretary-General), Ramsey Clark (former US Attorney General), Harold Pinter (Nobel Laureate), George Galloway MP, Tony Benn (former MP), and thousands more...)

Please send an email and sign the petition:
http://www.stopwaroniran.org/statement.shtml

http://www.stopwaroniran.org

Thankyou. (Peace)


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For anyone in or near London, there's a 'Don't Attack Iran' march on May 6th organised by Stop the War Coalition. Starts at 1pm in the Peace Garden in Tavistock Square WC1.
More details: http://www.stopwar.org.uk/060506.htm
http://www.stopwar.org.uk

america cant attack iran so this is kind of silly and pointless.

Why can't America attack Iran?

We can't invade with massive ground troops, but Bush could order certain sites destroyed with air power.

I'd like to see a petition for telling the government of Iran to stop Its nuclear proliferation and to get urainium for its powerstations off Russia, or better still not build backward powerstations in the first place and spend the money on wind turbines and solar panels.

hopefully your are aware of where iran is located and what countries america happens to be in. Now use your prediction skills and tell me what happens as soon as we bomb or invade them. Coupled with amercias lack of troops to defend current border situations and her societies current view of a draft.

We attack them they invade iraq or afganistan shit hits the fan as other arab countries have their back broken by the final straw = worst idea ever.

We come to the conclusion a military option is not an option unless america gets major outside support which appears highly unlikely.

Well said, deicide. However, I think bush and his masters are too ignorant or too set on seeing god to care. Get ready for Armageddon, America. You want it, you are about to get it.

Ladies and gentlemen... the Beach Boys!

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb... Bomb, Bomb Iran (http://www.devilducky.com/media/44421/)

;) Peace.

Just like all this stupid demonstrating and petitions actually change anything at all

A few days ago my colleague and old comrade-at-arms from the war-protest days, Megan, sent me a MoveOn "action alert," urging me to write me representatives and the President and ask them not to nuke Iran. "http://political.moveon.org/dontnukeiran/ was the url." Again, I can’t believe the phrase "don’t nuke Iran" is even necessary. It seems to me like we really ought not to have to be in the position of begging our government not to nuke anyone, just as in the ordinary course of events I don’t have to talk my friends out of raping anyone. But, as Batman once said, "It’s isn’t exactly a normal world, is it?"
Tim Kreider, http://www.thepaincomics.com/

Again who are the ones talking about useing nukes, unnamed sources, quoted by liberal news outlets to have something to talk about, this is the same type of reporting as the grocery store news stand tabloieds, were the sources are me. myself, and I so the have three sources to conferm the story!!! This type of reporting would do Dr. Joseph Gobbels proud, Do a course on him then tell me how good the media is?

Oooooh! Only made it to the start of page 2 before Godwin's Law kicked.

:m: Tragic.

Peace to all,

'Stop the war on Iran Before it Starts'

Please send an email to the US government (via the website below) and support this statement of conscience to prevent Iran from becoming the next Iraq.

There is a growing threat of US military action against Iran, another oil-rich nation facing unsubstantiated accusations from the US as the pretext for another US-led illegal war in the Middle East.
Sorry, dude.

It's coming to be really annihilating, Wack-a-Mole time.

You better tell your mullahs to play with their Barbie dolls, because they're desert glass in any other scenario.

Signatures include Denis Halliday (former UN Assistant Secretary-General), Ramsey Clark (former US Attorney General), Harold Pinter (Nobel Laureate), George Galloway MP, Tony Benn (former MP), and thousands more...)
Non-signatories include Smith and Wesson, and General and Atomics.

Please send an email and sign the petition:
Yeah, sign the guest book.

It's like really invulnerable Kevlar.

Yeah. That's the ticket.

The petition.

You're mommy is calling.

Don't disrespect her.

Here's what we're going to do. We're going to invade, take out the nuclear sites, maybe kill the pscho leader of Iran, then leave. No occupation. No nation building. We have all the troops we need for that right next store. We may be short of troops for occupation, but no one can stop the US military when it's on the move.

PS I'm all for it.

will americans allow it they are already weary of current conflicts so i doubt they will be up for a 3rd conflict. Its just bad strategy to start ANOTHER conflict especially in that theater.

Sure we wouldnt have to occupy but then they can just harass us a whole hell of a lot more then any other insurgent group. To the point iraq would never be stable we would have to leave then they just might finish the iran iraq conflict of the 80's and take over iraq. Now iran is bigger better nuclear and angry. That would be a worse case scenario but a possibility

Not to mention the weapons trade that would easily develop because there arent enough troops to guard the borders.

Gas prices would sky rocket even if arab nations didnt start boycotting america.

Dont forget how cheap it is to run the american military in 5th gear. probably another 100 billion added to the already absurd debt.

but again the petition doesnt matter even bush isnt dumb enough to attack iran. america wont attack because it will harm her far more then it would benefit. Any force would just push those on the fence to the sweeter side of the terror networks. We cant fix all our problems by throwing our fists.

iran is going to get nukes and it will be bushes fault.

Wow,

A bunch of nobodys signed a petition. Whooptie Do. Go ahead and sign it. It will be a written record of all the retards who thought that Irans nuclear ambition was peacefull.

It,s Americas fault, who built the reactors, who gave the Irianians the plans for the centrifuges, may be Russia, France, the russian and french have this absurd idea that if they help loose cannon goverment that they will get rich and be able to influence what will happen, my question though, about what is going on over there is, would you give the trigger to a nuclear bomb to a five year old, that is basically what happened, by giveing Iran the tecknowledgy.

It should be possible to respond to a thread without using racist and derogatory comments.
Peace.

The U.S. has Iran surrounded on three sides already.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Persian Gulf....A few totally stealth B-2's take off from Witman loaded with bunker busting 1.2 megaton w-88's and end of problem.
We don't lose a man, not one even put in the line of fire.
And for every Iranian suicide attack in retaliation, ....we take out one Iranian city with the flip of a switch.
Now how many martyr's did they say signed up...?
Thats not really important......lets just count how many cities they want vaporized before they stop.

The U.S. has Iran surrounded on three sides already.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Persian Gulf....A few totally stealth B-2's take off from Witman loaded with bunker busting 1.2 megaton w-88's and end of problem.
We don't lose a man, not one even put in the line of fire.
And for every Iranian suicide attack in retaliation, ....we take out one Iranian city with the flip of a switch.
Now how many martyr's did they say signed up...?
Thats not really important......lets just count how many cities they want vaporized before they stop.
Now you're talking.

Do you know what you Americans sound like. Like bullies who enjoy bullying.

And then you wonder why terrorists are so fond of you.

Actually they sound like cowardly bullies, big on top but deep down they are a bunch yellow bastards. well eather that or socially deattach (war?) wankers.

as if the terrorists attack with reason even after spain pulls out and changes leadership bombings still occur. The terrorist are the bullies. I dont agree with iraq or going into iran as do a majority of americans.

The U.S. has Iran surrounded on three sides already.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Persian Gulf....A few totally stealth B-2's take off from Witman loaded with bunker busting 1.2 megaton w-88's and end of problem.
We don't lose a man, not one even put in the line of fire.
And for every Iranian suicide attack in retaliation, ....we take out one Iranian city with the flip of a switch.
Now how many martyr's did they say signed up...?
Thats not really important......lets just count how many cities they want vaporized before they stop.
Now that would make us monsters, and any further attack on the US totally justified. I tell you though, if they do attack Iran, they better kill every last one of them, or else they will be our enemy until the end of the world, which would not be that far out. We would probably lose Pakistan as an ally, Musharraf would be overthrown overnight, and Al Quida would have the bomb.

Should we continue to let them slaughter our boys with roadside bombs and guerilla tatics, fighting with both arms tied behind our back like we did in Vietnam.
Not likey.
Pre-emptive attacks are the only way to deal with this kind of enemy.
But you don't have to worry about Muslims getting Pakistan's bombs.
Russia has plenty, and in the near future they will insert the knife in the U.S.A.'s back, and twist.
Its what they did to Caesar, those of his own council.
Iran and the Arab countries plan on the destruction of Israel, but they will have to eliminite the U.S. first....their rush for the bomb, and the promise of oil may be used to get Russia involved and turned against the U.S.
And the plot thickens.....

Roadside bombs and guerilla tactics? We are talking about Iran, right? Unless you can show a connection between roadside bombs and Iran, that statement makes no sense.

No one fought with "our arms tied behind our backs" in Vietnam, that's a typical right-wing myth. We used massive firepower, napalm, agent orange, everything in the book except for nukes, which would have defeated the purpose of securing the nation for democracy, since there would no longer BE a nation there.

I don't understand why you think Russia will nuke us, they would get nuked in return. Nucear war is a lose-lose situation.

BTW, Muslims already HAVE Pakistan's nukes. Most people in Pakistan are Muslim.

in vietnam we had a lot of restrictions couldnt go north could only bomb certain targets couldnt hit the hochimin trail on and on this list goes. america would of still lost but the fact that we limited ourselves was ignorant. We underestimated our enemy then. In iraq we had a good estimation of our enemy but it was ignored to fit rummy's plan.

The small death toll we are taking in our conflicts is very acceptable relative to past conflicts.

OK, that's debatable, but Iran is not Iraq. If you are advocating unlimited warfare in response to possible future threats that haven't yet materialized, I think that's a war crime.

Originally posted by Spidergoat:
OK, that's debatable, but Iran is not Iraq. If you are advocating unlimited warfare in response to possible future threats that haven't yet materialized, I think that's a war crime.

It is true that attacking Iran is not a solution to its alleged development of nuclear weapons. If you consider Iran to be a responsible member of the nuclear club, however, consider the following article:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A991B9C8-885B-4A6C-AA86-818E3F191A90.htm

Iran has offered to transfer nuclear technology to other countries, including Sudan, while warning that it will hide its nuclear programme if the West takes harsh measures.

Separately, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued the offer to transfer nuclear technology as he met with Omar al-Bashir, the Sudanese president

Now theres good news, is it not? How about giving nuclear technology to some Somalian warlords..... Perhaps to Hamas, as well. WHy not. What could be the harm in that right?

Ok does anyone doubt that everything, short of an attack, should be done to keep nuclear weapons out of Iran's hands, or are we going to argue that this is a responsible government?

Well, it's a response to the US acting unilaterally. A pre-emptive attack pretty much describes 9.11 doesn't it?

Originally posted by Spidergoat:
Well, it's a response to the US acting unilaterally

Response to what? The United States has neither attacked Iran or even threatened to do so. They have simply stated they will not rule it out. Economic sanctions or diplomatic pressure certainly is not a "unilateral" commitment. The EU certainly does not want to see nuclear weapons in Iran's hands either, as does most of the world.

This is a typical behavior of a irresponsible and controlling Iranian government. Material support and training of members who attack Israel go unprovoked. Has Israel ever attacked Iran? How about the children during the Iraq/Iran war that were being herded into mine fields in order to save money? This is not a response but a typical behavior. Would you consider the Sudanese gaining nuclear weapons a threat to world safety?

A pre-emptive attack pretty much describes 9.11 doesn't it?

You are describing the a calculated attack on civilians only to be pre-emptive? Though it will not happen anyway, there still would be no comparison between attacking nuclear sites for a purpose and simply slaughtering thousands of civilians to make a statement. If you cannot see the difference, I shiver at the thought. Frightening.

Response to what? The United States has neither attacked Iran or even threatened to do so. They have simply stated they will not rule it out.

That's not a threat? To state you do not rule out an attack? You think that is normal behaviour? You think the Dutch would like the idea of the germans making the statement that they wouldn't rule it out to launch an attack on holland if they stop their liberal drugs program? You think we would shrug it off with, 'that's not a threat'??

talk about a skewed perspective.

Thank you, Towards.
Iran is not about to give up its uranium enrichment....
Any negotiation process is only buying them more time.

They can not be allowed to have the bomb, or the ability to make bomb material and export it to terrorist groups.
Their president met with leaders of the terrorist groups today.
He said again Israel should be annihilated.
That won't happen, but the intent is there.

I don't understand why you think Russia will nuke us, they would get nuked in return. Nuclear war is a lose-lose situation.

You'll probably find this hard to believe, but were I come from it has already happened.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this.
This world is only going through the motions that will bring it to pass.

Try to make each day count for something.
Every day is a gift.

You'll probably find this hard to believe, but were I come from it has already happened.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this.
This world is only going through the motions that will bring it to pass.

Try to make each day count for something.
Every day is a gift.

Thank you, John Titor.

- N

Never heard of him, looked him up on the net after you said the name...
Time traveler from 2036....his prediction of civil war starting in 2003 with daily "Waco style" events didn't pan out too well.

Originally posted by Spuriousmonkey:
Dutch would like the idea of the germans making the statement that they wouldn't rule it out to launch an attack on holland if they stop their liberal drugs program? You think we would shrug it off with, 'that's not a threat'??

Its a motivator to get diplomacy moving again. Making the statement "we are going to blow the hell out of you" is a threat. Your German/Dutch comment is completely out of context because there is a huge difference between allowing weed in a country, and selling nuclear technology to whomever may ask for it.

The truth is economic santions will not stop Iran from gaining a nuclear program, but it certainly can slow them down (ex. Iraq). An attack will not stop Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and would slow them down even less and create more havoc when the retaliation begins in Iraq.

The United States has do decide which is more important:
A) attempting to slow down Iran's nuclear development which eventually is inevitable.
B) Creating a stable government in Iraq, which would become impossible if the United States either placed santions on or attacked Iran.

Do you know what you Americans sound like. Like bullies who enjoy bullying.

And then you wonder why terrorists are so fond of you.
Do you know why Americans so love the smell of naplam in the morning?

Because burning terrorists smell like bacon.

We hear your mommy calling you.

She prefers you never leave home so that you never meet a higher-fidelity sounding class of bully.

Edit: Re-edited again just to bully the edit-sensitive.

I don't understand why you think Russia will nuke us, they would get nuked in return.
Nuclear war is a lose-lose situation.

Don't take it from me, I'm no one.
Just a messenger.

Cheney speech spurs new Cold War: Russian press
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060505/2006-05-05T102918Z_01_L05500235_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RUSSIA-USA-DC.html

We need to pull out of Iraq and dump the Billions the war costs into researching Fusion and Hyrdogen fuel cell technology. That way we can tell the Middle East to go F itself. Then they can sit in their mud huts and enjoy their stone age.

The current path of conflict is going to get Iran nuked.

There is going to be a nuclear holocaust in 2006 (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1041925#post1041925). You all talk about nukes as if its something really shit. We would all suffer from the nuclear fallout, not to mention also heat the earth up more. If US attacks Iran there is very high probability it could start a nuclear war. Iran could already have nukes and just hit one on Israel and Israel would disappear. And then the Israelis would launch nukes from the subs it has onto Iran, and this will all escalate. And then we're all going to be fucked!

Well am not really that bothered am not afraid of death.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1041925#post1041925