I recently discovered a book on mechanics and engineering from 1824, which has some theories about perpetual motion. I have been having some thoughts about certain types of machines similar to 'ying yang' and 'mirror magnet' machines, and also plasma accelerators, lightening and water powered machines. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this topic.

I was taught (many moons ago) that perpetual motion machines were an impossibility because all types of machines tend to use more energy than they can return back. As far as engines go, I recall that diesel engines were considered to be the most efficient as far as energy put in and what you get back, (perhaps I should say as far as energy being converted into a more usable form), but even diesels are only 44% efficient. Electric motors have a higher efficiency, but with all conversions of energy there is still resistance, heat loss, etc., which of course results in inefficiency/less efficiency. For a device to be completely perpetual or over unity, it should be able to run off of its own output/input continuously without any loss from resistance, etc., and ideally still have some workable energy to spare. This type of closed loop system with an efficiency of 100% to my understanding is impossible.

Perpetual Motion if obtainable could only work inside a vacuum chainber.

As air particals etc.. would create friction.
And then combustion would be impossible for the lack of oxygen.
I think it would have to be done in space anyway. zero G would help tremendosly

And even with 100% efficientcy it would be usless because it creates only enough energy to power itself.

[This message has been edited by Krusher (edited April 19, 2000).]

I developed a theory on how to get energy from no where.

Is the anyway radiowaves could be converted to electricity because there is always radiowaves all around us from the universe and stuff.

It would seem to me this would be a very good source of energy, even if its not to powerful.

Like solar power that can work at night

Overunity or free energy devices do they work?

Over the last two years I have attempted to build various machines that either work on the over balanced load, magnetic repulsion, or electrical devices that supposedly draw energy from an anonymous source like magnetic waves or ether energy.

I found the closest I came was with an overbalanced load device. Since this was my most successful attempt I have persevered with it and incorporated magnetic repulsion as a driver. The new device is called the magnetic cam gravity wheel. I found that to use the opposing magnetic forces you need to build in a cam effect otherwise the machine will seize up due to magnetic lock. So far I have only built a model out of cheap parts like straws, pop sticks, bluetac, erasers, cardboard etc with the most expensive parts being the nyobium magnets. It again came close to continuous operation but slowly wound down in speed due to the magnetic cam not being correctly aligned. Since then I have not had the time to return to the idea and pursue it further.........later maybe?

Many people in main stream science and engineering frown upon the idea of perpetual motion and toying with it, also there are a lot of snake oil salesmen out there making extraordinary claims of success. Personally I have found it a very gratifying exercise to play with the concept as it clearly shows some of the fundamental theories of physics and helps to gain an understanding of the laws of thermodynamics.

Exercises in futility or just some good fun for inquiring minds? Investigate and try yourself and make sure you have some fun along the way.

Allcare

Tony H2o

Perpetual motion...not likley (unless we have a seriously flawed understanding of our universe, well seriously limited anyway). However efficency is the answer. e=mc^2, 1kg of caol = 3x10^16 jouls of energy. We could power this planet on a bag full of caol for a year IF we achieved 100% efficency. BTW 44% efficency on a diesel engine, I find that hard to believe. We might be talking about different measurements of efficency though.

Magnatism is certainly the best way to try and achive perpetual motion I believe.

A research (Biologist) by the name of Bruce DePalma describes an experiment that while utilizing an electricly sheilded rotating mass, he had observed that the higher the velocity it rotated, the more ability it gained to have an influence to oscilate changes in the forces that govern radio frquencey picups on a standard FM Band Radio!
Translation, meaning that the influence that this spinning orb, or disk altered the forces around the radio, and he was able to pick up stations that would not otherwise existed prior.
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Hi all,

Perpetual motion... yes... I remember I once saw a thermodynamical proof saying it could not be possible. This involved proving that no device could ever deliver work to e.g. a rotating axis, without giving of heat in some way (this would violate the entropy postulates in themodynamics).

I think that's also pretty much the reason why every perpetuum mobile fails: friction. These don't necessary have to be air molecules, but you also have to consider collisions between moving parts in your machine and these always generates heat. Heat equals a loss of energy and hence no perpetuum movemement.

Krusher mentioned using electromagnetic radiation for energy retrievals (as in solar power). Well yes, if you (ab)use the photoelectric effect in some way, you might be able to free some electrons for an electric current, but then you're a bit limited in wavelengths (since this does not work for all kinds of radiation).

For other methods in general, you have to wonder: whatever you do, you always need energy to do it. Whereever you get this energy, if even the slighest bit is lost somewhere your perpetuum mobile is a goner. Magnetic fields also pose problems since accelerated electrons (which you can find if you have some piece of metal in an electric field) tend to give off radiation, once again losing energy in doing so.

However, I was thinking more in the line of Krusher's idea: a metal/superconductor rotating in a magnetic field with some trick could perhaps be a perpettuum mobile, but then no physical contacts between parts are allowed (since this would give of heat) and that kinda makes the idea of perpetuum motion irrelevant...

But then again, a load of physical laws are still to be written, so who knows what we might come up with next week :).

Bye!

Crisp


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